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Just got round to watching this. Yeah, Khan was ahead , but he wasn't connecting with a lot.
He did enough to stop people berating him for the £9 million purse he was paid.
Canelo looked pretty shit in my book , worst I've seen him apart from when Floyd schooled him.
Somebody said earlier "if everyone thinks GGG beats him, why do they want to see the fight?" And you know what, that's absolutely true. The problem is that the WBC have let that prick DLH create a whole new weight division. Every top MW should now just boycott Canelo and let him carry on making these Circus fights.
As for where it leaves GGG , his detractors will keep criticising him till he moves up. He wants all the belts first, so it is what it is.
I doubt the fake can get out of fighting the Kazak after last nights full court press. Even Oscar said he's be calling K-2 today. Of course he'll just say 155 or no fight but at least he called lol. If they say something like 158 perhaps the Kazak will take it but he should not have to. I have a feeling they are going to get Lemieux to starch out. Still even the Mexican fan base are going to get sick of this.
Alvarez was 177 last night. That means he gained 22 pounds overnight. That's more then Chavez Jr gained.
How do you know what he weighed last night? I thought he didnt get on the scales for the weigh in on the night?
From several people at the fight.
Even though we know that GGG will beat Canelo, we still need to see it for the sake of linage middleweight title and the fact that we want the corporate created manufactured champion battered by the blue collar guy.
Mike Tyson said it best: "Everybody's got plans. Until they get hit."
Amir Khan was almost alone in his belief he could jump two weight divisions and beat one of the most fearsome fighters on the planet in Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez.
Even his trainer didn't sound convinced. Most people thought it would play out like it did: Khan would frustrate Alvarez for a few rounds before walking onto a big one.
Virgil Hunter, the man charged with hatching a plan to keep Alvarez at bay for 12 rounds, was distancing himself from the fight the moment it was announced. What madness is this? If you really must. It was your idea, in case anyone asks…
Hunter knew what most people knew, namely that Khan would be able to run but he wouldn't be able to hide.
Alvarez's promoter, Oscar de la Hoya, crudely characterised the fight as "speed versus power". But Alvarez is a little bit more than a club-wielding caveman. The Mexican made adjustments, cut down the ring, found his range, executed his feints and eventually went KABOOM!
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But just because you told Khan so, there is no need for triumphalism. What Khan did in Las Vegas on Saturday was brave beyond belief and should not be sneered at. If only there were more like him, boxing would be all the brighter.
"Amir Khan is one of the bravest fighters in the world," said De la Hoya. "Maybe he's too brave for his own good but he's willing to be great."
What fight two of the three judges were watching is anyone's guess. One, Glenn Feldman, had the champion 3-2 ahead and another, Glenn Trowbridge, 4-1 ahead when the hammer of Thor brought proceedings to a sudden conclusion. Just about everyone in press row had Khan at least three rounds up.
Maybe the knockout was for the best: had Khan boxed Alvarez's head off for 12 rounds and lost the decision, the pain would have been even worse.
There will be plenty of pain for Khan, and not just physical. Having spent the past two years being teased into thinking he was going to fight first Floyd Mayweather, then Manny Pacquiao, and consequently wishing some of the best years of his career away, this was maybe Khan's last pitch for greatness.
The good news for Khan, and British fight fans, is he can walk straight into a match with Kell Brook, the IBF welterweight champion and his bitter cross-Pennine rival.
For several years, Khan has claimed Brook is not at his level. But that argument becomes more difficult to sustain when there are pictures flying around the world of him flat on his back having been knocked cold for a third time.
Khan might have lost against Alvarez, but he showed enough in defeat to make a fight against Brook compelling. The suspicion is the outcome would be similar.
As for Alvarez, the Mexican boxing royalty sitting ringside - Julio Cesar Chavez, Marco Antonio Barrera and Juan Manuel Marquez - would surely have approved. There were those in Mexico who doubted Alvarez's potential to join that list of greats, especially after he was outclassed by Mayweather in 2013.
But Alvarez has improved and with more knockouts like that on his show reel, the critics won't - just like Khan on Saturday - have any legs to stand on.
What a way to christen the magnificent new T-Mobile Arena and what a relief for De la Hoya. A couple of years ago his Golden Boy Promotions outfit was in choppy waters and looked like sinking.
But with Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao having announced their retirements following their hugely anti-climactic fight last year, De la Hoya has the face of boxing on his books again.
It's a face De la Hoya knows well, because for many years it was his own. But now De la Hoya faces a dilemma: risk his golden goose against the rabid Gennady Golovkin this autumn or let their beef marinate a little longer?
Kazakhstan's Golovkin, who has a frightening record of 32 knockouts from 35 contests and is the WBA and IBF middleweight champion, was ringside for Alvarez's demolition of Khan and would appear to be up for the fight.
De la Hoya and Alvarez appear to be keen as well. But De la Hoya's assertion that "we have four aces and they have a pair of twos" in the negotiation stakes does not quite ring true.
After beating Khan, Alvarez, a natural light-middleweight, said he was happy to fight Golovkin at the proper middleweight limit of 160lbs, instead of a catch-weight 155lbs. But only a few days ago he poured cold water on the idea of fighting Golovkin, saying the Kazakh hadn't earned the fight. Let's just wait and see how those talks pan out.
For the moment, boxing should reflect on a job well done. It all went just to plan on Saturday, at least for most of us. Khan was bold as brass and rolled the dice, while Alvarez provided the fireworks. Just what Vegas is all about.
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Britain's Amir Khan says he has no regrets after his bid for the world middleweight title was ended with a sixth-round knockout by Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez in Las Vegas.
Khan, a natural welterweight fighting beyond 147lbs for the first time, started well but was floored by a huge right hand from the defending champion.
The defeat was the 29-year-old's fourth of his 35-fight career.
"This challenge came and it was very hard to turn down," Khan said.
"I want to be the best, I want to fight the best and that's why I took this fight.
"I showed my bravery by getting in the ring with Canelo, but this is boxing. I wanted to go out there as a champion."
Khan jumped two weight divisions to challenge Mexican Alvarez and was bidding to become only the third former light-welterweight world champion to win a middleweight world title.
"I was unfortunate that I didn't make it to the end," he added. "I tried my best and I want to say thank you for the support, but I will probably go down to 147 now."
Alvarez, who has won 33 of his 47 career victories by a knockout, said patience was key to his victory.
"He was a very fast fighter and I knew things would be complicated at the beginning," he said. "But I knew the time would come in my favour.
"Many people talk about my power but I've got many more qualities in the ring. People see that and that's what happened in the ring.
"Someone who comes in to box obviously gives you more trouble.
"But someone who comes in to press and attack you gives you the opportunity for a nice fight."
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I was watching a different feed but it was apparently reported that Khan was 163 and Alvarez was 177 and it makes sense. The kid was 174 a few times when he was fighting at 154. They stopped highlighting his weight right around the time of Kirkland when the Golovkin talk started. Fact is he'd be bigger than the Kazak.
Oh and..I found a snap shot
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So what? He's not as good. Look how many of Canelos opponents come from below 147, off the top of my head I can think of Khan, Josesito Lopez, Mayweather, Cotto. There are probably more. There is a reason he is fighting such little guys, because the true Jr Middles would beat him. And the true Middles would beat him. And everyone knows that so he hides at Canelo Weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
He may fight at the weight because he can make the weight, but he's the same size as GGGQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
GGG is a rare talent, he should be fighting the best. Canelo can't find a weightclass where he is best.
Anyways I'm struggling to fuck, I've only had 2 hours kip and everyone is is out having a drink, I've had more than a good whack but the lack of sleep is catching up with me now.
I'm gunna have to retire soon I think
Had to be one of the more one sided ppv charades in a while. For a guy entering at unofficial-official 177 lbs, there is zero reason why Alvarez cannot make 160 comfortably other than not wanting to lose the gravy train he and Oscar are fooling people with.
All by design that he'll finally..hopefully..sac up and have his first 160 go vs either Lemieux or even a Stevenson.
Outside of not fighting GGG which is still a black eye he has only been champ since november by beating Cotto who wanted the catch weight as well it was his demand. Say what you want but Canelo has wins over Trout,Lara,Kirkland and Cotto i would not call man with that high of wins a manufactured champ. I mean he has fought all the talent near him besides GGG and he just got the belt a few months ago. There is no talent in the MW division but GGG all the other talent and names are south of the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Khan deserves big respect. In a fight that the entire world was in agreement with that he had no chance he still made it entertaining.
Those Las Vegas docs need to learn how to get in the ring faster when a fighter has been half-killed. And Bayless needs to learn how to call the medics faster instead of waving his arms over the dead fighter - posing for the money shot. Khan's head bounced 3-foot off the canvas, it was fucking obvious he was unconcious. Pathetic.
Diddo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think the charlo Bros both beat caneloQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo what? He's not as good. Look how many of Canelos opponents come from below 147, off the top of my head I can think of Khan, Josesito Lopez, Mayweather, Cotto. There are probably more. There is a reason he is fighting such little guys, because the true Jr Middles would beat him. And the true Middles would beat him. And everyone knows that so he hides at Canelo Weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe may fight at the weight because he can make the weight, but he's the same size as GGGQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
GGG is a rare talent, he should be fighting the best. Canelo can't find a weightclass where he is best.
Khan seems to have knack for that really. He falls uglier than any fighter i've seen. Every Ko seems to result in a head whip into the canvas. But credit to the man. He put on about 10lbs. (and it was all balls) to fight a guy he knew would still put on an extra 20+ lbs.
That being said I think the split between the Canelo supporters and the GGG supporters is more than just a fighter vs. fighter thing. It's a moral kind of separation. Some people see GGG as a fighter that's cleaning house at 160. But as touched on by @Master, i believe more of us see GGG as the anti-floyd. A guy whose made his name and keeps his name (at least for the time being) as someone who follows the rules, tries to put on a show, even if it means leaving himself open for some punches, cares about being the best and not just the best paid. He hasn't made cheap shot pre-fight demands or acted like a dick to try try to get more people to buy his fights. He wants to unify and not just jump around, going to where the money is and then tries to make up for weight/size/style/power differences by manipulating other aspects of the contract afterwards... and that is the area where Canelo seems to be viewed as floyd's protege. Trying to capitalize on fans and supporters alike and putting his brand before the sport. Many view him as not even earnest of the attention he's getting due to a deficit of skill. Even still Canelo managed to roll this obnoxious behavior and self centered prioritizing to new heights by creating his own weight division and holding the wbc 160lb belt hostage. People do want to see the fight, but I think even without a fight, many fans would just be happy to see order restored by Canelo relinquishing his hold on the belt... As the hemming and hawing has become too much for most fans of the way boxing should and used to be before mayweather took this nickel and diming, self gratifying, bigger than the game campaigning, mainstream. (follow ups by cotto, canelo, manny and whoever else have just compounded the frustration).
It's in this sense that most people count GGG as a champion of justice and believe that by pasting the ginger, Golovkin will topple the bullsh*t machine and put that type of f*ckery to rest (it won't...). And if per chance, not... Canelo giving up the belt or finding a way to weasel out of negotiations would thereby admit he's chicken and take more starch out of this entitlement trend. The same way Martinez did when he embarrassed Chavez jr for 11.5 rounds.
As the saying goes... "There are no heroes without villains and they are both in each of us."
Right hook roll under. Same move, every time ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Be decent to see GGG go up one division too theres some decent fights up. Maybe :rolleyes: he should sign up with Oscar and make a new weight of 164 and fight out of that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140Outside of not fighting GGG which is still a black eye he has only been champ since november by beating Cotto who wanted the catch weight as well it was his demand. Say what you want but Canelo has wins over Trout,Lara,Kirkland and Cotto i would not call man with that high of wins a manufactured champ. I mean he has fought all the talent near him besides GGG and he just got the belt a few months ago. There is no talent in the MW division but GGG all the other talent and names are south of the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
he should try and get the mexican smw champ to come down to 161 lbs and fight for his world title :S provoke the mexicans into demand canelo fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreBe decent to see GGG go up one division too theres some decent fights up. Maybe :rolleyes: he should sign up with Oscar and make a new weight of 164 and fight out of that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140Outside of not fighting GGG which is still a black eye he has only been champ since november by beating Cotto who wanted the catch weight as well it was his demand. Say what you want but Canelo has wins over Trout,Lara,Kirkland and Cotto i would not call man with that high of wins a manufactured champ. I mean he has fought all the talent near him besides GGG and he just got the belt a few months ago. There is no talent in the MW division but GGG all the other talent and names are south of the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yup. I don't think Alvarez landed 10 punches over the first 4 and one corrupt bag person had him up 4-1 after 5. Its beyond a head scratch moment. I like his nobody is that incompetent comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Pretty much went as expected to be honest, didn't expect the chilling KO as it happened, more Khan getting dropped and getting up on Bambi legs like he does and getting saved from further punishment.
Canelo landed a left hook prior to the sparkage which made Khans legs do a little wobble, he always gets careless after getting clipped.
Common sense suggested that there'd be nothing for Canelo to hit for a few rounds so you would think the early wild swings were born out of a cavalier attitude rather than frustration, Canelo expected to chin Khan at some point just like everyone else.
I was watching with HBO commentary for a few rounds (3 - 5 and I swear they didnt mention Khans name once, it was all Canelo as far as they were concerned.
HBO = Horribly Biased Organisation. Like the BBC of boxing.
Khan did manage to fight like Floyd Mayweather, just unfortunately it was Floyd Senior he fought like.
And yes he would have got robbed on the cards. Shocker. He was never going to win that fight, the best he could do was win on points and get robbed and see his stock go up.
Unfortunately he got absolutely splattered, an absolute highlight reel one punch KO and now his stock drops.
What can he say in the buildup to his next fight? I'm improving all the time with Virgil and I did really well in my last fight apart from getting knocked the fuck out yet again. At least it wasn't in fifty four seconds, I'm getting better with every fight.
Khan's problems, other than his chin, is that he has poor defense, only has 4-5 rounds worth of stamina, and is predictable.
His predictability is why Garcia and Canelo were able to time him.
I think he is quite predictable. Canelo threw that same shot a good few times before hand only for it to just miss by a whisker. You'd think Khan would have cottoned on. Trying to throw a lead left when you're trying to keep it an outside fight is just silly, especially if you haven't figured out the range properly.
I think good fighters will always spend the first few rounds letting him do his thing, because they know that once his confidence grows, he gets reckless and makes mistakes. As poor as his chin is, his concentration and decision making is pretty bad and at the top level or against top power, his margin for error is much less.
That punch would have put most fighters to sleep and we have to remember Khan didn't force the Rehydration clause which was suicidal, i read today that Canelo was a little over 180 pounds and even said no when HBO asked to weigh him just before the fight, that's a MASSIVE advantage that Amir gave him and a foolish one. I actually thought he was in serious trouble when he hit the canvas then noticed his chest moving and realised he was at least breathing.
Canelo landed a few hard body shots that Khan tried to grin off which is a tell tale sign you've been hurt, after that Canelo realised Khan couldn't hurt him so just cut the ring off more and more and walked through him like a machine, the fact Khan was turning into him trying to land a silly lead left just added to the force of the impact.
At the weigh in they looked of similar size but Canelo looked a different person during the fight and he's know to put mass back on really fast between the weigh in and the fight, 20 pounds Plus minimum.
Having said that back in the day fighters like Ray Robinson moved through the weights easily and never got banged out cold like that.
Makes you realise just how hard the old school fighters were ;)
Still do not get how Canelo is putting on so much weight after a fight should be dead during the weigh in maybe cause he is younger. Also for his size i can not believe he is 177 the man not even close to his height he like 5'7'' not even close to the 5'10'' he is listed not that big of guy in person.
Just watched it. Great KO.
Some fighters don't get sparked repeatedly like Khan because many won't man up.
Guys like Adonis Stevenson, Kell Brook to Canelo to name a few have sturdier chins. But haggle way too much.
Khan IMO is a bit like HW Michael Moorer: Heart, balls and will to win. Just no chin to match.
i've just watched the fight
I don't think the scoring was that far out
most are having khan 4 or 5 rounds up
I cant see how he has won the first for example
I don't think he ever looked like winning the fight even if it had have carried on like the first 4
I fully respect his balls mind
Primo, BT sports showed Khan v Canelo now.
Cheers Bud, I've seen it.;D. Thanks though
You can record it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Report: Canelo vs. Khan does approximately 460,000 buys - Bloody Elbow
it seems it didnt do too well on ppv, although i guess not terrible considering it was a pretty large mismatch and the undercard wasn't super great either, or at least didnt have many famous names on it.
I actually bought this though :S
this might be good news as maybe gbp will want bigger numbers and will need to get golovkin in the ring !
Seems Mexico isn't all Canelo fans. Really dismal numbers for the supposed new face of boxing.