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How long before Britain sees yellow vest riots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKoS5X4SMrY
I've been dreaming of a time when
The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this Royal line
That still salute him and salute him forever - Morrissey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VSGvQSyYlI
Owen Jones is a really absurd little man: "Tommy Robinson and his fascists". What is fascist about wanting out of an undemocratic system so that you can retain full democratic control over your own country? Brexit was voted on Owen and the majority of the public agreed with leaving the EU. Are you suggesting those people are all fascists too? If you are going to use the word fascist it better have some connection with reality otherwise you are reducing the word to irrelevance. Humiliation for Tommy Robinson? The protest was not even about Tommy Robinson, it was about Brexit. Why would it be a humiliation for him? Isn't it rather humiliation with both Labour and Conservative capitulating on their election promises? Then of course he says it is a 'victory against racism'. Oh my goodness. I will have to stop typing and just let you watch the video. Owen Jones is a caricature. Thankfully most people are nothing like him as seen in the actual Brexit vote which was not about 'racism' or 'facism'. Nothing racist about wanting to stop immigration from countries where people mostly look the same as you and nothing fascist about believing in smaller, better functioning democracy. Utterly deluded. To think this man gets to put this stuff into national newspapers. Embarrassing. :-\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRp9omv59mI
Owen Jones, thought very highly of in London apparently
Soooo Serkis thinks Theresa May WANTS Brexit? I mean her party SHOULD HAVE, but she herself....noooooo. The establishment Tories (who aren't worth a damn by the way, just like the establishment Republicans) don't want Brexit, they wish to draw this process out, let the public lose their passion for Brexit to go through but the die is cast....the public have this and they ain't letting go.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
In Britain there will be riots much like there are in France.....the government has stopped listening to the people and to make matters worse the governments have been pompous assholes on top of not listening to the people. Theresa May won't last much longer, don't know or care who replaces her but she'll go down as one of the worst PM's you've had since Sir Edward Heath....you know, the pedophile. And Macron? ooooh man, Mr. "Call me Jupiter" ain't looking so hot right now is he. And the American press were calling Macron the "Leader of the free world since Donald Trump doesn't represent the free world".....LMAO, the same media hates Trump for allowing tear gas to be used on illegals trying to bumrush into the United States....meanwhile Macron's police have tossed a flashbang into a crowd of protesters and a young girl has lost an eye from it....a young French girl...he's firing on his own citizens, PEACEFUL citizens.
Funniest part is Trump has a higher approval rating than May and Macron combined ;D
So after delaying the meaningful Brexit vote, Teresa May is now facing a vote of no confidence.
Wow May hangs on.....yikes England, very yikes :-X
She is strangely in a stronger position now.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Man it is quite fun to watch the Beeb get shat on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCMatau_JjA
....don't forget to pay your television liocense guvna
That was not BBC getting destroyed. Rees Mogg could not back his claims and Farage spouting the same stuff as always.
Wasted 11 minutes of my life watching that.
Well why don't you complain about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
BBC have not been bias about brexit what is to complain about?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell why don't you complain about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Plenty to hate the BBC about...they blame the murder of Jo Cox on the Brexit campaign of UKIP.
Liam Fox called out the Beeb for being a wet blanket on Brexit.
70 MPs joined in to accuse the BBC of anti-Brexit bias
.....and it's not JUST Brexit that they suck on....
They knew of AND defended Jimmy Saville for ages.....Johnny Rotten called him out in 1978 for fucks sake and the BBC banned him for it.
Then there's bullshit like this...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuYWQxvXcAAS6H9.jpg
...that YOU @Master are required to pay for....you enjoying that?
The Godfather of Fake News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...HSi9JmP-uzXUtQ
They go out of their way to GLORIFY a leftist troll.....hey if UKIP's banner got Jo Cox murdered then what is that troll's work going to do? You want to pay for that bullshit? You happy paying for that?
No one would be happy to pay a licence fee and they are part of the establishment but overall they are fair and balanced.
Fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
The picture you put up is to simulate debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I assume you mean stimulate in this caseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe picture you put up is to simulate debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
OK then, suppose it is up there to stimulate debate.....here's a question.....WHY?
Christians have been celebrating Christmas for (at the VERY least) 1,682 years. Father Christmas (specifically) dates back to 16th Century England....why change any of it? Who is calling for these changes? Can they not celebrate it on THEIR own in THEIR own way? Why should I be forced to appease this bullshit?
Also would this EVER happen to Sikh's? Would this be accepted or thought ridiculous?
"BBC: The Ninth Guru Tegh Bahadur should be seen as a gender non-binary otherkin"
"BBC: Why this Maha Shivaratri you should understand that Shiva was totally abelist and how problematic that is"
"BBC: This Bandi Chhor Divas the Sikh community needs to understand how harmful this holiday is to our Muslim community"
There's no fucking reason for the BBC or anyone else to push this bullshit. Do you not agree? Maybe the BBC doesn't understand how that might instead of stimulating DEBATE it might stimulate resentment, anger, hatred? I know for absolutely fucking certain they aren't doing that to Muslims and I know for certain why that's the case too and you do as well.
Yes I meant stimulate.
Getting back to brexit, the whole referendum was loaded for remain to win, not just business, politicians, and media. They lost and I am dreading them asking for another referendum and another chance because of the incompetency of the government who have wasted 2 years and come with a poor deal.
OK, I didn't want to put words in your mouth, but I assumed that's what you meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yeah the entire Brexit referendum deal looks quite poorly handled. It looks rather a lot like the American Presidential election of 2016.....like 1 side didn't figure on losing like AT ALL and they didn't count on the massive groundswell of support for their opposition. The leaders of Remain much like Hillary Clinton, were complacent and they got caught and once they got caught they have been fumbling around trying everything in what is left of their power to get a do over. Only problem is....a do-over on a referendum (or in my case a rigged election) undermines the very fabric of how our governments work...it will be needlessly expensive (government in general is FANTASTIC at that) and really put a dent in the morale of the nation, it could cause rifts within the nation which never fully heal.
Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, Theresa May pays lip service to Brexit the way Corbyn paid lip service to Remain..it's got to be very frustrating to have your votes tallied and then have them mean nothing. I think there's likely to be riots Second Referendum or no....I certainly hope this gets sorted out, but it's got to be by someone with the best interests of Britain at heart and that ain't Theresa May.
Well
:-\
Would love the no confidence vote to win but it will not. So plan B is next and she will cling on and survive.
Want a general election but not a second referendum.
Government have screwed these negotiations over 2 and half years. Wasted precious time.
She barely survived and now two years after consulting literally nobody she is blaming everyone else for not collaborating over two days. What a shit show. She does not have the mandate to do anything. I voted Remain but that does not mean I support bending over to the worse demands of a belligerent EU or mean that virtually half the population should be screwed over in an exit that sticks two fingers up to trading partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
An election would have at least held up the opportunity to vote on the nature of the leave deal for all in Britain, rather than have people like Gove, Rees-Mogg and Boris hijack the result as an excuse to return Britain to the dark ages. A real cross-party consensus could have been reached and to be honest Keir Starmer could not only have made May's negotiating skills look embarrassingly amateur, if she had not already done the job herself, he could be future Prime Minister material himself.
Been watching a bit of this on the news lately, and just wanted to ask the following of you Brits:
Would a 2nd referendum really be so bad? I know it's not the norm, and probably those who voted for Brexit would probably raise holy hell about their initial votes not being respected but.....
There seems to be some real controversy here over the whole deal. In fact, I seem to remember some Brits being interviewed shortly after the 1st results came out and frankly some of them seemed surprised at what Brexit really entailed.
It also seems a lot of young Brits, who are just now coming into voting age, reject the whole Brexit idea.
The idea of a 2nd referendum might smack of "we didn't do it right the first time" but.... is it really so bad when so much is at stake?
A second referendum or people vote would be bad.
The people voted and it was up to the government to deliver which they have failed to do miserably.
It was a surprise that Brexit won because nearly everything was in the remainers favour with business, prime minister, chancellor, leaflets, business etc all supporting remain.
Nothing will be gained with a second referendum other than give remainers another chance. There is no guarantee that the remainers will win because the EU have acted like cunts in this.
There are so many shades of Brexit that you will not get a consensus.
Real major screw up the whole thing.
If we leave on a no deal, so be it. I disagree with Labour not working with May by insisting taking no deal off the table.
wankers the lot of them.
I would be quite happy with a second referendum. There was an almighty amount of deception, flat out lies,illegal money and disinformation from foreign agents that presented a false picture. Even the most vehement of Brexiteers were very happy at first to suggest a second vote on the terms of the deal. They now are again pretending otherwise. I mean look at the example here even on this forum, this thread which I started, was absolutely dominated by those outside of the UK who will not even be affected by the vote. I would rather we didn't leave and reshaped the EU from within but the British people have decided to leave so fuck it, let them reap the dividends but don't pretend that the half of us that voted remain do not exist. The leave deal should not be dictated by cunts like Farage who could not even win enough votes to get elected to Parliament, ex-pat scum like PJW and Milo, ego mainacs like Trump and Putin who just want to weaken the UK and flood us with shite produce and Russian propaganda. The insanity of ignoring the freedoms of being able to trade freely in an established market with thousands of years of shared history in workers and produce with countries a few hundred miles away in favour of those thousands of miles and an airplane away (or worse cargo boat), with no established protocols is beyond a joke. Even immigration the one issue so many Brexit voters want to control will go thru the roof with far more dangerous people coming in than now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You know Beanz that we have been trading with Europe before the EU ever came together.
You also know that we would not get a good deal in EU. Maggie got a big rebate in the 1980's but Cameron came back with a hardly any concessions at all.
EU was getting too big for their boots.
Many other countries would leave if they had a fair vote.
BTW I hate being on the side of Mogg and Farage but I am sure you do to with being on the side of May, Osborne and Cameron
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Originally Posted by Master
The people voted, yes... but as Beanz said there seemed to be a lot of misinformation leading up to the vote. I just remember seeing interviews with Joe Blow and Jane Doe on the street following the results and some of them seemed bewildered about the ramifications, and some went as far as to say they would've voted against Brexit if they had known what it really meant. Doesn't sound like a lot of the population had all the facts in front of them. Under those circumstances, isn't at least the consideration of a 2nd referendum justified?
I can certainly sympathize with you guys, as we've had our share of referendums over here as well. In our case, and the one that mostly resembles yours, it's been the referendums on status, with choices of wanting statehood, preferring the status quo, or choosing independence. I can say from experience we've managed to f*ck up some of those referendums as well, and I blame the people in power who are supposed to make sure people are well informed before going off on some agenda-laden, half-cocked referendum.
Speaking as an outsider, it would seem the drawbacks would outweigh the benefits of leaving the EU, even if as you say the EU have been pricks about the whole thing. I'd venture to say if the rest of the EU was "referendum-ed" about Brexit, they'd likely vote against it. Again, it's always the politicians that manage to muck everything up. I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks. :-X
Beyond bored with the whole thing.
Have a second referendum or just decide to fucking stay in eu and let's be done with the whole fucking thing.
No one knows the true cost and implications of what's going to happen if we leave under whatever conditions. Into the void.
Whole thing is an embarrassment
A referendum happened because the politicians could not decide and was ripping the government apart.
Sure people did not know what the Bexit deal was going to look like as it was impossible to say. So it was a simple in or out on the ballet box.
Every side can hope and guess what it would look like but the remain campaign were the favourites.
You cannot have another referendum because then EU know that if they play hard ball every country will ask for a second referendum. That is wrong.
Lets have a no deal bexit.
This deal we give £39 billion and get even less than before.
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Originally Posted by Master
Obviously your opinion about Brexit is going to carry more weight, seeing as to how you actually live there.
But do you really think the EU would view a 2nd referendum that way? I think the EU loses in general when the UK leaves, and most Europeans would probably see it that way. Many would welcome a 2nd referendum.
The one issue I've always seen as a major factor in the whole Brexit thing is immigration.... maybe I'm wrong.
And it has been used by pro-Brexit constituents as a "fear factor", if you will, to convince the general public the UK would be safer withdrawing from the EU.
As I follow brexit from afar it’s interesting to see how the indecision in Britain effects our stock market. I was also surprised to hear master say the corporate tax rate in England is 17% I think he said that, ours was 26-28% before trump
I know the EU would love for us to have a second referendum what i meant was that any nation that voted to leave would get a hard Brexit because EU would hope the electorate have another referendum hoping that they will stay the second time. That is underhand and wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Obviously your opinion about Brexit is going to carry more weight, seeing as to how you actually live there.
But do you really think the EU would view a 2nd referendum that way? I think the EU loses in general when the UK leaves, and most Europeans would probably see it that way. Many would welcome a 2nd referendum.
The one issue I've always seen as a major factor in the whole Brexit thing is immigration.... maybe I'm wrong.
And it has been used by pro-Brexit constituents as a "fear factor", if you will, to convince the general public the UK would be safer withdrawing from the EU.
The people have voted and the politicians should deliver the mandate.
It is 19% and should be higher, this Government are taxing the poor for the fat cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
We master I understand that argument but high corporation taxes encourage companies to set up shop in China where intellectual property is stolen. Corporations and private business are the ones who are supposed to employ people. It’s tough though, I see both sides of the equation. Our corporate tax was around 28 or 27 percent recently. If you can go to Vietnam and pay a quarter of that, why not. People in the US flee to states with lower taxes, what’s the difference. One time the government was going after Microsoft for anti trust and taxes. Bill Gates started shopping around to different countries. All of the sudden the government quieted down. Let me as you, do these massive corporations provide any other benefits to your country than taxes, which they are great at avoiding. If they left, I bet the impact would be much greater than losing that 17% rate. I’ll stop bitching about people not paying taxes once I find a way to stop bitching about paying taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is 19% and should be higher, this Government are taxing the poor for the fat cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
The big corporations need the British consumers and to get to them they should have to pay their fair share of tax which they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe master I understand that argument but high corporation taxes encourage companies to set up shop in China where intellectual property is stolen. Corporations and private business are the ones who are supposed to employ people. It’s tough though, I see both sides of the equation. Our corporate tax was around 28 or 27 percent recently. If you can go to Vietnam and pay a quarter of that, why not. People in the US flee to states with lower taxes, what’s the difference. One time the government was going after Microsoft for anti trust and taxes. Bill Gates started shopping around to different countries. All of the sudden the government quieted down. Let me as you, do these massive corporations provide any other benefits to your country than taxes, which they are great at avoiding. If they left, I bet the impact would be much greater than losing that 17% rate. I’ll stop bitching about people not paying taxes once I find a way to stop bitching about paying taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is 19% and should be higher, this Government are taxing the poor for the fat cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Exactly, those corporations are allowed access to a market that gives them the profits they have. If Facebook does not want to pay its taxes, then outlaw Facebook. Encourage alternatives that do co-operate and respect your society. In my opinion VAT should be minimal as it affects the poorest the most and tax systems should be progressive. The bigger the firm the more it should pay in tax as it obviously benefits the most from the market it is allowed access to. The opposite is what actually happens thus the poor pay a lot more tax proportionally than the rich do and that makes no sense from a moral or logical standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe big corporations need the British consumers and to get to them they should have to pay their fair share of tax which they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe master I understand that argument but high corporation taxes encourage companies to set up shop in China where intellectual property is stolen. Corporations and private business are the ones who are supposed to employ people. It’s tough though, I see both sides of the equation. Our corporate tax was around 28 or 27 percent recently. If you can go to Vietnam and pay a quarter of that, why not. People in the US flee to states with lower taxes, what’s the difference. One time the government was going after Microsoft for anti trust and taxes. Bill Gates started shopping around to different countries. All of the sudden the government quieted down. Let me as you, do these massive corporations provide any other benefits to your country than taxes, which they are great at avoiding. If they left, I bet the impact would be much greater than losing that 17% rate. I’ll stop bitching about people not paying taxes once I find a way to stop bitching about paying taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is 19% and should be higher, this Government are taxing the poor for the fat cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Which is the whole point of the thread and you should boycott Amazon.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfExactly, those corporations are allowed access to a market that gives them the profits they have. If Facebook does not want to pay its taxes, then outlaw Facebook. Encourage alternatives that do co-operate and respect your society. In my opinion VAT should be minimal as it affects the poorest the most and tax systems should be progressive. The bigger the firm the more it should pay in tax as it obviously benefits the most from the market it is allowed access to. The opposite is what actually happens thus the poor pay a lot more tax proportionally than the rich do and that makes no sense from a moral or logical standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe big corporations need the British consumers and to get to them they should have to pay their fair share of tax which they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe master I understand that argument but high corporation taxes encourage companies to set up shop in China where intellectual property is stolen. Corporations and private business are the ones who are supposed to employ people. It’s tough though, I see both sides of the equation. Our corporate tax was around 28 or 27 percent recently. If you can go to Vietnam and pay a quarter of that, why not. People in the US flee to states with lower taxes, what’s the difference. One time the government was going after Microsoft for anti trust and taxes. Bill Gates started shopping around to different countries. All of the sudden the government quieted down. Let me as you, do these massive corporations provide any other benefits to your country than taxes, which they are great at avoiding. If they left, I bet the impact would be much greater than losing that 17% rate. I’ll stop bitching about people not paying taxes once I find a way to stop bitching about paying taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is 19% and should be higher, this Government are taxing the poor for the fat cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
If there was an alternative that paid their taxes properly I would take it. Otherwise I remain without books and I am a man of books.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhich is the whole point of the thread and you should boycott Amazon.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfExactly, those corporations are allowed access to a market that gives them the profits they have. If Facebook does not want to pay its taxes, then outlaw Facebook. Encourage alternatives that do co-operate and respect your society. In my opinion VAT should be minimal as it affects the poorest the most and tax systems should be progressive. The bigger the firm the more it should pay in tax as it obviously benefits the most from the market it is allowed access to. The opposite is what actually happens thus the poor pay a lot more tax proportionally than the rich do and that makes no sense from a moral or logical standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe big corporations need the British consumers and to get to them they should have to pay their fair share of tax which they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe master I understand that argument but high corporation taxes encourage companies to set up shop in China where intellectual property is stolen. Corporations and private business are the ones who are supposed to employ people. It’s tough though, I see both sides of the equation. Our corporate tax was around 28 or 27 percent recently. If you can go to Vietnam and pay a quarter of that, why not. People in the US flee to states with lower taxes, what’s the difference. One time the government was going after Microsoft for anti trust and taxes. Bill Gates started shopping around to different countries. All of the sudden the government quieted down. Let me as you, do these massive corporations provide any other benefits to your country than taxes, which they are great at avoiding. If they left, I bet the impact would be much greater than losing that 17% rate. I’ll stop bitching about people not paying taxes once I find a way to stop bitching about paying taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is 19% and should be higher, this Government are taxing the poor for the fat cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhtYYjV6ITs
Please trust me when i tell you. It's going to get worse.