Beans that last post of yours must be a piss take otherwise the sky is falling right now.
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Beans that last post of yours must be a piss take otherwise the sky is falling right now.
No not at all. It is what is wrong at the heart of YOUR culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
"Since their inception..."....yeah about that #1 I am not talking about inception, I'm talking about right now so hop in your DeLorean and come back to 2017 #2 Actually that statement "Christians have used the example of Eve to make women subject." is as wrong as the day is long, Christianity grew due to lots of people converting because the altruistic nature and equality of the religion and it won over scores of women and slaves due to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
"The whole idea of Sin, quite alien in most other religions, is one that Christians have always pinned on Eve.".....Christians pinned that on Eve? Are JEW sure about that? Genesis is an Old Testament book one that although read and followed by Christians is not as important as the NEW Testament where you find women like: Mary mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Mary & Martha of Bethany, Lois & Eunice, Dorcas, Lydia of Thyatira, Phoebe, etc...as for Eve and sin well it wasn't "sin" that got Adam and Eve cast out from The Garden of Eden, it was and I know this is a complex thing for a half a commie to understand but it was FREE WILL. You're telling me an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful God would allow for a tree (of what? KNOWLEDGE) to be in the garden on the Earth that he created and he'd specifically tell the creatures he created "Hey don't eat from there or I'll be mad" and that God was caught off guard and didn't see that coming? And you call people naive :rolleyes:
"Of course not all Christians are like this but then not all Muslims are, but you are seeming to suggest that only Muslims take their holy books literally"
Oh but of course #notallmuslims :shakehead: ....According to the Pew polls, and how Muslims responded in those polls YES more Muslims take their book literally. And also, it is worth noting that what is in The Bible differs quite a bit from what is in the Quran and so Christians taking The Bible literally would still be different than Muslims taking the Quran literally.....there's a great deal of nuance to this argument and I would be happy to discuss it further.
"You are very fond of simplistic reductionist arguments because again that is a very American Christian way to look at the world, it's not particularly sophisticated and just goes to show how much like Paul the complete bastard of a Christian that he was, has distorted Christianity to pander to Greek ideas like Logic, being the be all and end all of everything. "
-Personal attack volume 12
"That meant historically all kinds of horrific things like the Catholic inquisition being excused in the name of logic."
And that happened in what years? Because I'm talking about 2017.....what's happening in 2017 Islamic countries??? Oh that's right, all of the horrible stuff you don't want to address at all.
So there we have it....Beanz has said this of Christianity....that'll really put this in perspective ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNo not at all. It is what is wrong at the heart of YOUR culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
He is a bitter man, a broken man bent over and bent on portraying Christianity as barbaric ahead of Islam, an anachronistic piss take that you just couldnt make the fuck up if you tried.
That is just you twisting things using your own incredibly negative and frankly mentally ill world view. I'm an optimist and realist. I am not like you and Lyle, ranking cultures and declaring some as better than others, so please stop with the lies and engage with debate. If not please don't post in this thread. Lyles polemic and your constant insistence on doing a 180 on all the issues you previously would have agreed, just to further divisions here on the board, is not helpful.You are living in a country run by a Christian that you are now pretending is running with milk and honey when your own words said quite the opposite not long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Name a time in this country that there was not a Christian president and name a time in your country that there was not a Christian president. You have come undone mate you have gone off the rails you have absolutely come unraveled and unwound and have gotten your knickers in a right twist
You just can't seem to make this stuff up whenever you post. Let's do you go on making it up. You just couldn't if you tried but you do.
Some cultures ARE better than others, did ya not watch those videos? Did you NOT see women being beaten with sticks/canes? SPOILER ALERT that doesn't happen in the United States, it doesn't happen in the United Kingdom, it doesn't happen in Mexico, it doesn't happen in Canada, it doesn't happen in Sweden or Finland, or Russia or Denmark or France or Belgium or Italy or Switzerland or Austria or Japan or Australia.....it happens in Sudan and Indonesia and Saudi Arabia and YES those cultures are worse than the previously mentioned ones if only for THAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Nobody is saying America is perfect....nobody is saying "it's run by a Christian and that makes it perfect"....nobody Beanz, NOBODY is making those arguments.
Those lashings, floggings, whatever you want to call them...that's government, that's religion, that's culture and I disagree with those beatings, I find them vile and beneath thinking, feeling, rational human beings, that is why I rate those cultures lower. I do not understand how you see that and you see America and you think the cultures are equal or you cannot tell the difference if one is better than the other....list pros and cons for fucks sakes, it's a fucking simple thing and you're fighting the very idea, why? I know you could say something like 'Well there is good and bad in every culture, but every culture we can learn something from'....yeah, agreed, BUT I'm saying specifically that shit, the beatings, the floggings, the tossing gays off of rooftops, that's wrong it's wrong that their cultures do that and that's across the board for me....a little tiny bit of humanism, a little bit of that in every culture and then we can agree that you can't tell if one culture is better than another.
I must correct Lyle when he says floggings don't happen in US/UK.
They happen, bro.
In MUSLIM COMMUNITIES in US/UK.
Ah yes people bringing their CULTURES over :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Why would you think that I would agree with such things?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSome cultures ARE better than others, did ya not watch those videos? Did you NOT see women being beaten with sticks/canes? SPOILER ALERT that doesn't happen in the United States, it doesn't happen in the United Kingdom, it doesn't happen in Mexico, it doesn't happen in Canada, it doesn't happen in Sweden or Finland, or Russia or Denmark or France or Belgium or Italy or Switzerland or Austria or Japan or Australia.....it happens in Sudan and Indonesia and Saudi Arabia and YES those cultures are worse than the previously mentioned ones if only for THAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Nobody is saying America is perfect....nobody is saying "it's run by a Christian and that makes it perfect"....nobody Beanz, NOBODY is making those arguments.
Those lashings, floggings, whatever you want to call them...that's government, that's religion, that's culture and I disagree with those beatings, I find them vile and beneath thinking, feeling, rational human beings, that is why I rate those cultures lower. I do not understand how you see that and you see America and you think the cultures are equal or you cannot tell the difference if one is better than the other....list pros and cons for fucks sakes, it's a fucking simple thing and you're fighting the very idea, why? I know you could say something like 'Well there is good and bad in every culture, but every culture we can learn something from'....yeah, agreed, BUT I'm saying specifically that shit, the beatings, the floggings, the tossing gays off of rooftops, that's wrong it's wrong that their cultures do that and that's across the board for me....a little tiny bit of humanism, a little bit of that in every culture and then we can agree that you can't tell if one culture is better than another.
Seriously Lyle. How many years have I posted here and yet that is how little you think of me? In the UK election thread you went on about me teaching little ones when I used to support disabled adults etc so it's like being in a room talking to someone and realising they have not listened to a word you have said.
Only we have been in that room for years.
So many posters have left and yet we are still here, so why waste time being so belligerent ?
I am just as much to blame. I think that @brocktonblockbuster was right when he called me a contrarian. I am quite proud to be so, but that does not mean for me that I am jumping form one side to another. I just try and be a realist, and that means that i am very wary of easy answers. I try to look at an argument from all sides and not just accept what people say without questioning the narrative and their motivations and influences that will shape the way they tell it.
So while I have always been highly critical of extremist muslims and started numerous "no more excuses" type threads to rant at those on the left trying to make excuses for them, that seems to have been completely ignored by you in an attempt to pigeon hole me into a convenient apologist opponent which is why you could not wait to call me a communist.
It is quite a laughable situation to be called both a little Englander and a SWJ on the same forum but the truth is of course that neither are very accurate. I am as a self employed person at the sharp end of Capitalism but as a carer for a disabled partner also at the soft end of Social responsibility, so i can see both sides of many arguments. Being the grandson of a Romany/Irish Gypsy and A Polish Jew also means that I try not to just use logic and the written word as an arbiter of life when experience may have taught me something different.
That is why I can not agree to use extreme examples of barbarism carried out in the name of religion as evidence of one culture being superior to another. You will note that Hitchens never excused the bastards that carried out these acts by allowing them the easy excuse of using their religion which mostly does not condone their actions. I will not provide the scum that do this such a veneer to hide behind either.
Yes their are elements of cultures when seen through our eyes that are truly reprehensible and are clearly inferior to elements within our own but that is not your argument.
Your argument is that some cultures are inherently superior to others.
The fact that I, along with 5 other people, would suggest that is not something that is possible to answer conclusively, should not leave you with the impression that I in any way condone or excuse these acts. Some on your side of the argument have actually started threads to excuse them and yet your ire is reserved for me?
Life is too short and I apologise if I have offended you
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
That is that. You have proven to me you do not want debate, fine, post away I'm not reacting, not retaliating, not responding. You post as freely as you like, I'm not stopping you or hindering you. Post anything and everything you like.
I'm fucking tired of the back and forth with you, fucking sick of it dig? You have complained about my posting, well now it won't involve you at all, it's done-zo.
islam the backward religion of peasants.
it is 2017, they need to learn we arent in the Stone AgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustit is 2017, they need to learn we arent in the Stone AgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Vermin Faulty
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4041&stc=1
Chelsey Wright anyone?? Anyone???
#Bleach-beanz
Clorox
#Beanz-bit
Janner-ox
In 2015 450 out of 452 suicide bombings were carried out by.......
A) Western humanists
B ) Nazis Neo- or otherwise
C) Western Chauvanists
D) Christians
E) Militant Islamists
Anyone care to answer #someculturesarebetterthanothers
@brocktonblockbust
Teenage girl fights for life after her father and brother shot her in the face in attempted honour killing because she loved a man in her village
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4griGr6f1
Because this happens literally EVERYWHERE........
.....where there's Muslims
Let's see, grass huts for 4,000 years or skyscrapers, yup, better civilizations exits.
I don't know, it's not all bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ive often thought about shooting all over teenage girls' faces.
1 week ago, Indonesian court sentenced Christian governor of Jakarta 2 yrs in prison for blasphemy....Indonesia being the most populous Muslim nation there is.
A Sikh response to the Rotherham Scandals
http://youtu.be/-_KglANlsYk
Bravo my man, very well said!
So the refutation of my claim that some cultures are better than others???? Anyone?
According to the economist he was quite Popular and almost a shoe in, until the radical Islam element launched an anti Christian campaign against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Well we can't go trusting The Economist on things now can we? We have to accept and appease the members of Islam who.....hey man, they're just trying to get along, they're just doing what's right for them, I mean who are WE to judge? I'm not Beanz, I can't make those calls, you're not Beanz you can't make those calls.....there's no issue in Islam, it's the exact same culture as we have. I mean when my wife goes out of the house to go shopping without my permission and without a family male escort detail I beat her with a cane just like anyone else right? That's acceptable and understood to be a good and positive thing culturally right? Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
To be honest Lyle you are just being a cunt now. Your Idol Donald Trump has just practically got on his knees to suck up to a regime in Saudi Arabia that is behind much of the horror committed in the name of Wahhabisim in the west and legalised in that country, and yet, as per usual, you are silent, because for you this has nothing to do with people's rights, or protecting the innocent. It's all one big game, where you can stride about with your pompous arrogance, telling everybody not just what you think, but what other posters think too. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere have I ever said that people should not judge the actions of those who use religion, or culture, as an excuse to abuse, silence and kill people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell we can't go trusting The Economist on things now can we? We have to accept and appease the members of Islam who.....hey man, they're just trying to get along, they're just doing what's right for them, I mean who are WE to judge? I'm not Beanz, I can't make those calls, you're not Beanz you can't make those calls.....there's no issue in Islam, it's the exact same culture as we have. I mean when my wife goes out of the house to go shopping without my permission and without a family male escort detail I beat her with a cane just like anyone else right? That's acceptable and understood to be a good and positive thing culturally right? Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
You are inventing straw man arguments because the world refuses to submit to your narrow and very child like simplistic view of it. You are so obsessed with the issues in Islam that it seems to matter not one jot that I pointed them and the problems with multiculturalism out literally years ago on this very forum. You bring up Rotheram because for you it is some kind of ace card to win a hand with. You are just as bad as the PC brigade (which to be honest both you and Brock are the worst examples of) and don't mention the fact that these were evil MEN, you refuse to mention the fact that alcohol, drugs , rape and abuse are all forbidden by their CULTURE. You fail to mention the fact that this all happened in a western country that failed to apply existing laws to protect young poor vulnerable girls and that vicitms of all colours and backgrounds continue to be at risk because of flaws in that culture.
Nobody here is saying that people afraid of being called racist were right to not act in locking up these animals. Certainly not me. Or is that what you are accusing me of now. Really? You are willing to go that far in making bullshit up to win an argument?
What a fucking low life you are if that is the case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmFGVbJQIy0Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I've invented nothing the question is "Are some cultures better than others?" you have chosen "Impossible to answer"....I keep providing examples of abhorrent, albeit socially acceptable behaviors which are found in various cultures in order to help you figure it out for yourself. You don't say "Oh, that's horrible, that IS a bad part of that culture" nah you wouldn't do that, you attack me, you call me a bigot and say I've invented a strawman....no sir, I am providing evidence for my belief that while no culture is perfect SOME cultures are indeed better than others.
Not for nothing, you talk shit about the Saudis and do you denounce their culture? NOT ONCE, not one fucking time! Oh it's behind Wahhabism and extremism but ooooh how can we ever tell if those cultures are worse than western culture....go fuck yourself, you can't fucking tell the difference, how fucking dense are you?
The Battle of the Cultures rages on. :)
I myself voted "impossible to answer conclusively" and if I had to vote again, I'd vote the same thing. Simply put, I think the atrocities we see on TV and splashed across the headlines are abhorrent behaviors, even to those from the same culture. What we get fed through the eyeballs are the extremists who take advantage of situations to further their "cause." The question was a tough one to answer, admittedly. It's easy enough to press the TRUE button, given what we see every day.
Most of the argument points have to do with culture's treatment of women. It's true that in most Western cultures we are more advanced in the treatment of women as equals. But it seems we've all come from the same place. Women in "civilized" cultures were at one time seen as 2nd-class citizens, denied basic rights under the law. In Islamic countries, women's rights haven't changed all that much. But I can't believe the true nature of a people, no matter where they live, applauds the abuse, torture, or humiliation of women. Again... we're not talking opportunistic extremists. We're talking the core of the culture itself.
I think the word "better" is the incendiary word here. Maybe it would be more fair to say "advanced." "Better" just sounds too judgmental, and none of us has really lived in all these different cultures enough time to make sound judgments.
Supposedly modern, advanced cultures may be gaining ground on women's rights... but many of them ironically have a long way to go in other areas, such as race. It seems sad to me that it still takes government regulations and interventions, most of them inadequate and ill-aimed, to force people to view everyone else as equals.
Basically it boils down to the old "glass walls" adage. Not good at sayings, but it's something about not throwing stones if you have glass walls in your own house.
"Advanced" instead of "Better"???
"Here in the West, we're Advanced....we don't beat our women for deciding to wear pants or throw gays off of rooftops"......I mean however it makes sense to you I think "Advanced" could seem a bit condescending like those folks in the Middle East don't have access to the internet or whatever.
"Here in the West, we're Advanced....we don't marry our first cousins" http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/wo...nbreeding.html
"Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh."
.....however you look at it man, there's things that happen in other cultures we can learn from and then there's things we can LEARN from and never ever do ever.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
"We don't throw gays off rooftops"
Of course not. But there's plenty of documented, violent crimes against gays in the U.S.... one of the most recent being the infamous shooting at the Orlando gay bar. It's not part of the mainstream culture to violently attack gays, of course, but a lot of misguided, hateful people do. It's not part of the Saudi culture to throw gays off rooftops... but I'm sure it has happened lots of times. It goes back to my original statement.
"We don't marry our first cousins"
Again, the vast majority of Americans don't. But there's documented issues with inbreeding in states such as Kentucky. Again, you can't judge a culture because of some extremist sectors.
When all is said and done, I'd rather live in this part of the world than in the Middle East..... but that's mostly I was born and raised in the West and am used to our ways. If I'd been born and raised over there I might very well see things a little differently.
Ah yes, the Pulse Nightclub shooting, the one done by the guy who pledged his allegiance to ISIS.....brilliant example of how horrible AMERICANS are to gays :rolleyes: :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Violence against gays in the United States is not community sanctioned, it's not "Hey everyone, we're going to sing 'It's Raining Men' and throw these guys off of the roof and if they survive the fall you crowd of people below just pelt them with rocks until they stop moving, it'll be a great community effort right?"....that doesn't happen TitoFan.
"Again, the vast majority of Americans don't".....
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So I guess we just won't ever be able to tell if one culture is better than another seeing how Kentuckians are constantly blowing everything up and beheading anyone who doesn't abide by their backwards ways of thinking.
Dude, at least be reasonable....the Orlando nightclub shooting as an example of how Americans treat gay people....that hurts my brain to even attempt to put myself in your shoes and imagine how you decided that was an argument which helped YOUR side of this debate. Holy shit man...what will we see next?
'You see, Sirhan Sirhan's assassination of Robert Kennedy illustrates just how poorly Americans view Catholics'
'One must understand....you see how Leon Klinghoffer was treated aboard the Achille Lauro. That shows just how horrible Americans treat those with disabilities'
'When you look at Pan Am flight 103, you begin to notice just how much hate Americans have for international flights'
:shakehead:
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...."
Omar Mateen was an American with Muslim parents, who emigrated to the States almost 4 decades ago.
Every example of naturalized citizens you so gleefully post were just that..... naturalized citizens.
But let's remove all immigrants from the picture as far as the American culture argument goes, so we don't have any bias one way or the other.
What does that leave us? A handful of Indians?
What is America (or rather... the United States... because the term "America" technically includes the entire hemisphere), but a conglomerate of vast groups of immigrants who migrated at one point or another in history. Italians, Irish, Africans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Asian, so on and so forth, etc, etc, etc. Hell...... even MUSLIMS!! :o
How are we managing to throw dividing lines here to claim culture superiority, when the U.S. is truly a melting pot of different cultures, all rolled into one.
Further yet..... what clear and correct vantage point do we have to claim that the atrocities committed by groups of misguided souls actually represent the culture of an entire people or nation?? If you can answer that question truthfully and without bias, be my guest.
But let's forget about the Mateen's of the world. How about good ol' American names..... like Timothy McVeigh? John Allen Williams? Seung-Hui Cho? (Oops.... he's of Asian descent. Damn that Asian culture..... they are hereby deemed inferior). James Eagan Holmes? Wade Michael Page? Frazier Glenn Miller Jr.? David Koresh?
I could go on but what's the point. Many of these are anti-government, or white supremacists, or neo-Nazis, or all of the above.
Do they represent the majority of Americ..... er.....United States citizens? Of course not. Just like the "gay-throwing mobs" in the Middle East are not representative of that culture. They're deluded fanatics, just like those in the United States.
For all the advancements and freedoms enjoyed by the average Mr. White in Everytown, USA...... there's still a lot of social ills that could be used to point fingers at the (ahem) culture. How about the apparent new penalty for jaywalking in Sacramento, California (if you happen to be black)? What is it..... body-slam to the concrete, followed by 20 punches to the head... is that it?
I don't want to go out on a limb here...... but I'm gonna venture to say it's probably safer for a black person to cross the street in Riyadh than in Sacramento.
Just a hunch.
"There once was a man from Nantucket...."....I can recite parts of poems too ya know :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Ah yes, Omar Mateen had what kind of parents? Oh that's right MUSLIM parents and 1 specifically, his father Mir Seddique Mateen apparently had some CULTURAL feelings about gays saying in a video (and I quote): "Allah will punish those involved in homosexuality," & "not an issue that humans should deal with."....yes oh so All-American almost like The Cleavers on Leave It To Beaver :shakehead: ....his father was PRO-Taliban dude....oh pshaw, that's like being in the Neighborhood Watch, it's as American as apple pie by golly :vd:
This isn't an argument about immigration, if you want to mention the Muslims who immigrate and DON'T shoot shit up or blow things up then please I beg you do so. I'm not saying they are incapable of assimilation to Western society, quite a few are. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bridgitte Gabriel, Salman Rushdie....there's plenty who adapt pretty well and let people live their lives without murdering people. Did the Chinese murder people? Did the Irish? Did the Jews? Did the Italians? Did the Germans (even in WW1 & 2 they didn't do that shit!!!) Did the Japanese (NO! and they were locked up in WW2!!!)? Who blows people up and beheads people? Militant Islamists AND Cartel members from Mexico/Central America.....soooo yeah let's try to remember this going forward shall we?
Assimilation into the American/Western culture leads to this Melting pot you're crying about. Yeah, Americans want people who come to America to like their freedoms, enjoy their freedoms, appreciate that people fought and died to limit government and allow them the ability to think, act, do for themselves rather than dictate to them what is and is not acceptable. Problem is, some folks cling real tight to the beliefs of religious groups or political groups and when that happens there' friction.
The black person in Sacramento probably hadn't been castrated or been called "Slave" (in Arabic "Abed"...and yes that's still a term used to this day)...but hey let's move some folks to Riyadh where the penalty for stealing (I know, it's not jaywalking) is cutting off your hand...and as mentioned before, sure it's NOT jaywalking but women wearing pants, they get lashes.....for wearing pants dude.
"It's safer for a black person to cross the street in Riyadh" ....fucking ridiculous on it's face....yeah it was hella safe for the millions of black slaves who were castrated when they were taken to Saudi Arabia.....oh yeah, by the way....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG8Q6F7FY14
Slavery is STILL A THING there ;D.....but yeah we just can't tell which culture is better or worse, it's #unpossible :shakehead:
No. No. No. No
Omar Mateen WAS NOT AN AMERICAN
BELIEVE ME.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ariana-g...di-isis-claim/
23-year-old Salman Abedi.....just your average Briton really, fish & chips enthusiast, loved a game of footie (so long as no women were playing) Inch Allah....just your average run of the mill English "Lad"
:-\
Let me clear up a misconception you seem to have, Lyle.
Ready?
ISIS isn't a culture.
Yes, I know.... unbelievable, huh.
Regardless of their lofty title (State, indeed....), it's nothing more than a bunch of barbaric, overzealous thugs claiming that they represent a real culture. They don't. This fact alone crumbles all the examples you so gleefully trot out there to make your point.
Oh it's "unbelievable" alright.....I bring up Saudi Arabia ISIS isn't a culture., I bring up Indonesia ISIS isn't a culture., I bring up Syria ISIS isn't a culture., I bring up Bangladesh ISIS isn't a culture., I bring up the Taliban ISIS isn't a culture. ....unbelievable doesn't even begin to describe it TitoFan, it's fucking sad that this is how far one will go to simply disagree with me. It's sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Keep those eyes closed, pay no attention to any terrorist attacks of the past 20 or so years, it's NOT Islam, I mean how could we ever tell? How can we tell? it's impossible to tell.
Who is throwing gays off of roofs?
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL
Who is caning women who wear pants?
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL
Who is chopping heads off of non-believer infidels?
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL
Maybe YOU personally feel better thinking IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL if one culture is better than another, but I am betting if you were personally faced with the situation of being gay or a woman in one of those nations, you MIGHT, MAYBE, POSSIBLY have different feelings....but hell what am I saying? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL
http://www.smh.com.au/world/two-men-...23-gwbeof.html
Two men receive 83 lashes for gay sex in Indonesian province of Aceh
It's just.....I mean........it's IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL
Lyle give it a rest. There are 22 families for whom their kids will not be coming home and you want to win an internet argument? You didn't even know the difference between Hindus and Sikhs, do you really think all seven people disagreeing with you are idiots ? You have the cheek to post a video about the Saudi Slave trade whilst saying zero, zilch, nothing about Trump being in public cahoots with that very country. Nothing about the laughable idea that he is somehow making a stand against terrorism by supporting that regime with billions of dollars?
There are billions of Musilims so of course some are backwards , regressive and horrible bastards. There is also overwhelming evidence that ISIS and their operatives are incredibly bad Muslims by any subjective judgment. Secular drug taking, alcohol drinking, extra marital sex indulging bad Muslims to the point where most Muslims would consider them secular. When not mentally deficient they are often not only not devout, but also very vocal about responding to the military occupation and constant bombing of a country they may not have even visited let alone lived in. You can therefore not extrapolate from them a judgment of Islam being an inferior culture to Christianity which is what you really want to say.
If you want to say Islam is an inferior culture to American culture then you are comparing apples to oranges.
@Beanz, I expect nothing less from you....that's pathetic. Don't get a nosebleed standing on top of those coffins shining that virtue signal, you are a real piece of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Hindus and Sikhs ain't really the issue here seeing how neither are chopping folks up or tossing gays off of rooftops or bombing innocent people....or could you tell? I hear that it's impossible to tell which groups are doing BAD and which groups are not doing bad.
I think 7 people disagreeing with me are delightfully ignorant of what is happening OR they don't want to get in trouble for naming the problem.
"There are billions of Musilims...." For the billionth fucking time you dumb fuck nobody, that's myself, and anyone else who cares to be included in this argument with me, has EVER....(read the words again cocksucker) has EVER said "All Muslims are _____".....it's Militant Islamists, Wahhabiists, ISIS, Al Qaeda....do you want me to parse my words even more? You seem more worried about my language than the actual terrorism, and that is kinda shitty, but your priorities are what they are.
"There is also overwhelming evidence that ISIS and their operatives are incredibly bad Muslims"...... :vd: it's not my job to judge the piety of Muslims, I honestly don't give a flying fuck how pious they are or are not. What is it that you wish to have happen here? Do you want me to say that Islam is a religion of Peace and that a teeny tiny group of people have bastardized a great religion for their own gains? Or would you rather me tell the truth which is it's NOT a small tiny group of Muslims who say/believe "Death to apostates" or "death to infidels" it's rather large numbers (according to many research polls) and it's something that the world would be better served if we woke up one day, faced it down and said "No more".......No you may not stone to death a rape victim, no you may not cut the hand off of a thief, no you may not lash women for wearing pants, no you may not throw gays off of rooftops! It is not just the victims of the bombing in Manchester and the victims of the next bombing or the next or the next, it's the entire world....you think people living in Raqqa where the Wahhabi Vice patrols/"Religious Police" go around saying "Oh, your woman is showing a bit of ankle, fix that or we'll have to cane her" enjoy that shit? I don't know, maybe they do enjoy that all I know is I didn't fucking sign up for that shit and it's not going to be accepted here in the West if I have anything to say about it......maybe you'll accept it one day or maybe you already have, I don't know, but it ain't going to be me.
If it helps, leave religion out of it....1 culture is live and let live, another culture is it's our way or the highway.....but hey what am I saying it is CLEARLY impossible to tell....I put up videos showing the atrocities committed by the "group that is totes not Muslim cuz they do drugs and all" :rolleyes: and what's your response? "That's disgusting, MODS move this, women and children can see this, take this down".....go call teacher on me again.
Lyle, is it that difficult to admit that your opinion may be colored by the fact that you've never known any other way of life? Do you really feel that most decent Muslims living over there are looking at the U.S. and saying... "Geeez, I'd really rather live other there." Do you really think there isn't the slightest possibility whatsoever that some decent, law-abiding Muslims in that part of the world are fully aware of the differences in culture and say... "All things considered, I like our culture better." See... you're perfectly within your bounds (and in fact should be expected) to like your own culture better. It's what you're used to.
Let's look this way instead of that way. Let's imagine a perfectly decent, law-abiding Muslim looking at the news and saying stuff like:
"I can't believe the way they allow people to belong to hate organizations like the Skinheads, Neo-Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists.... and they can say and do whatever they like."
"I can't believe black people are treated so badly by law enforcement over there, to the point where black people find it necessary to form protest organizations and take to the streets."
"I can't believe people's rights are protected to the extreme that they can say whatever the hell they want about anything and anybody."
Now.... isn't it possible that one of those people looking in this direction, when asked the same question, might answer that their own culture is better than ours? Once again, there's extremists in every culture. They give their own culture a bad name, and makes it look bad in the eyes of people from other cultures.