Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

In the us the ssi disability is abused to the point many who are on it make a joke about. Billions a year are wasted on it. Doctors have been busted for rubber stamp approval and bribes. Having said that I've worked in the mental health field for years. I've brought dozens of disabled for ssdi (that's what it's called here) and I was happy they got approved. I am glad our country has a safety net for the disabled. Many countries you are on your own and ostracized. I saw it in china 🇨🇳 and it tugged at my ❤️ heart. We have a multi billion dollar industry built around care for the disabled. I'm all for it I'd just like to see it properly applied and
Much less abuse.

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In the us the ssi disability is abused to the point many who are on it make a joke about. Billions a year are wasted on it. Doctors have been busted for rubber stamp approval and bribes. Having said that I've worked in the mental health field for years. I've brought dozens of disabled for ssdi (that's what it's called here) and I was happy they got approved. I am glad our country has a safety net for the disabled. Many countries you are on your own and ostracized. I saw it in china 🇨🇳 and it tugged at my ❤️ heart. We have a multi billion dollar industry built around care for the disabled. I'm all for it I'd just like to see it properly applied and
Much less abuse.

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Such HATE filled words.....Ashley Judd is going to send you a Nasty-gram!

Woman with 4 little kids has been moved into a single room with 2 beds pushed together and a 2 ring hob to cook on.
Piers Morgan is pretty much leading an all out attack on those responsible on the Good Morning Britain breakfast show and is brutally brilliant the way he verbally destroys them.
He asked the new housing minister the other day if the cladding was illegal and the guy said "I don't know".

Pretty sure its his job to know.

He (Morgan) says there are so many grey areas and get outs when it comes to blaming someone for using this cladding that it's likely to take years in court and virtually impossible to pinpoint who to prosecute.

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please answer these questions.
a) Would you like to have bum sex with a man?

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So it's only bum sex between men you find disgusting? Why didn't you say that before?

Bum sex with a woman = normal.

Bum sex with a man = abnormal.

How about if two women engage in bum sex? Normal or abnormal?

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Some people have one group of "dullards" that comes to their defense...... other people have another group. The forum mirrors life, and is no different than any other debate in any other forum. So what else is new. Again.... what else is new. C'est la vie. Move on.

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Yeah that's what I said. Hence - "I'm not repeating myself all over again"

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Tito, please answer these questions.
a) Would you like to have bum sex with a man?

b) Would you be happy with a council estate neighbor who has 6 children, no father figure, and smokes weed while claiming disability despite having nothing more than a cooked up doctors paper while you dutifully go to work everyday, have no kids and are a dedicated partner?

Please get off the fence and answer these pertinent questions truthfully. Same to you Beanz.

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I will answer for you even though neither has fuck all to do with the thread.

a) Not really...but


What does that have to do with anything? Gay people don't want to bum you or other straight people, and many probably have no wish to bum each other.(most lesbians for starters) Plenty of straight men bum their wives and lovers and they have other options, so using your rational they must be even more "abnormal". Many straight men will stick their Johnson in anything including water melons, chopped meat and apple pie so are they "abnormal".


b) I have had some great neighbours and some truly horrendous ones. The worst were those in privately owned houses and the best were those who lived in Council housing. Who cares? It's quite an offensive post though and I will tell you why. It assumes that they are somehow representative of people living on council estates and the disabled. The vast majority of the disabled in this country are genuine. They have died in large numbers over the last few years because of austerity measures imposed by those who think like you. So much so that I have actually seen a blind person with their guide dog having to fight for their allowance so that they could carry on working. It's beyond callous, and the worry of what is a tiny percentage of shysters ripping off the system has seen scores of genuinely disabled people fucked over. Not only throwing out the baby with the bath water but paying medically untrained American companies to overturn doctors decisions and actually cost the tax payer more in overturned appeal decisions, than the money they could have saved if they simply helped more disabled to work.


I am not going to go into great detail but you have said this for years because you seem to have no genuine understanding of what it's like to be disabled or how dearly most disabled people would love to work.


I feel passionately about this because ATOS an American company, declared me unfit to work and I lost my job in the civil service and then the same American company 6 weeks later ruled that I was fit to work and should receive no help.I found work myself by retraining to be a student support worker and funding the qualifications myself. Technically according to most criteria ( my GP and several consultants) I would be considered disabled, but not according to the company the government use to asses. I don't claim disability and never have.

I am not alone there are many much worse off than me and sweeping generalizations like you used above do not help things.

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a) Hey, no buts....or do you mean no butts? Either way thank you for confirming that you do think it is somewhat irregular behavior.

b) You are speaking a lot about the disabled there. The fact that she has so many children and no father figure is also problematic too. I have known people who have claimed disability for years and there has been nothing seriously wrong or anything stopping them getting a job. A lot of people don't want to work Beanz and given the choice many wouldn't. I don't think it is offensive to say that. I think many able bodied people given the choice of working or not working would probably prefer not to be working too. You have people with anxiety disorders saying that they cannot work, but are they even getting the CBT they need, have they considered giving up alcohol, have they even looked for a job not dealing with the general public? I have an anxiety disorder, but I get out there and work in front of lots of people. Not sure why this particular woman would be getting a free pass to do nothing, while others have to earn money then pay their taxes towards her lifestyle choices.

Before you call me a selfish Tory, I am obviously not a selfish Tory, I just think society is about everyone working hard and making better choices together. It isn't just about giving to people no questions asked. Obviously more serious conditions like having brain damage, or missing limbs complicates issues and I am far more understanding. I am not callous, just quite aware that some take the mickey as with teenage Mums and some on disability.

In terms of what is going on with the buildings around the UK. Well, it is quite shocking. What kind of country do you have going on there? No money but 1.5 billion to buy a handful of DUP votes? There should be an immediate election to get this sorted once and for all. The public should be in outrage and protesting about the buying of DUP votes while people around the country are put in danger and told 'There is no money tree'. The Tories are done.

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Bollocks.

You can't even debate anymore Miles you have turned into an intellectual minnow. There is no co-relation to me not wanting to have bum sex and you considering Gay people to be abnormal. You have just completely ignored the salient points in the sentences following because they prove your premise to be terminally flawed. You have also just demonstrated exactly how lacking in empathy and self centered you are in your insistence on reducing disability to an excuse to scrounge. Why would you imagine i might choose to speak about the disabled in my reply to you?


Think about it.


Could it be perhaps because I am disabled or the fact that I am a carer for someone who is disabled and yet still work, or maybe it has something to do with working with disabled students to help them get a job. There are quite a lot of reasons there that I might find your attitude tiresome. I know that many people find it very uncomfortable to discuss or even acknowledge, and it's not like my entire forum posting revolves around discussing it. It is though a fact of life and something I can't log out of when I am not posting. The whole "poor life choices" thing is disgustingly offensive, way more so than somebody calling you a cunt. It is just another way of you saying I don't want to look at or acknowledge someone different . It's exactly the same blame culture that the Tories employ.

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Woman with 4 little kids has been moved into a single room with 2 beds pushed together and a 2 ring hob to cook on.
Piers Morgan is pretty much leading an all out attack on those responsible on the Good Morning Britain breakfast show and is brutally brilliant the way he verbally destroys them.
He asked the new housing minister the other day if the cladding was illegal and the guy said "I don't know".

Pretty sure its his job to know.

He (Morgan) says there are so many grey areas and get outs when it comes to blaming someone for using this cladding that it's likely to take years in court and virtually impossible to pinpoint who to prosecute.

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According to Miles if she is a single mother it's her fault for making poor life choices. According to Brockton you are an obsessed left wing activist along with Piers Morgan for even giving a fuck about..."ffs 79 dead people :confused:"

Walrus thinks that he has a house "that may very well burn down to the ground" and Lyle is more worried about the property rights of some loaded cunt who does not want to see her chauffeur moving in next door.


What a bunch of cunts.

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Beanz, you said you don't do bum sex. The rest of it was you basically saying that other people do. You answered the question well enough with your initial response. In other words you are like me in that regard in that you don't think it is immoral, but you do not do it yourself.

It's just a fact that people make pretty poor choices too. I know I'm registered disabled because of my own pretty poor life choices. Actually I have a friend who has the same condition as you and has mostly healed/relieved it with osteo fx. Completely off the prescription meds. You might well have a mineral deficiency and a mineral deficiency is about poor choices as we are not giving the body what it needs. We often don't even know we are making poor decisions! Take people who eat bread when most people are gluten intolerant. Or those that drink alcohol. Or smokers like you. Malnutrition, stress and toxins cause a lot of disability and illness. Single Mums who give their kids sandwiches and coke are the worst! Bad decisions galore. Kids don't know any better. Unfortunately neither do most adults. All I say is 'Do not hurt the kids'. Anyway you might be mineral deficient.

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Bollocks again. I think you are abnormal not Gay people.

How are you registered disabled?

Mineral deficiency has nothing to do with ankylosing spondylitis, Psoriatic Arthritis and a leaky heart valve, they are genetic hereditary conditions. I don't need your crappy supplements and am on no prescription meds. Free weights and body weight exercise helped me massively. If you had not assumed things and actually read posts you would know this. I have not smoked for about 5 years now either, which again if you took your head out of your backside would be quite clear. I am not registered because I choose to work, and the fact that I can would probably disqualify me. My Mrs had a brain haemorrhage from an aneurisym that likely developed because of being born with spina bifida. That has left her paralysed down her left hand side and with epilepsy. None of that has anything to do with bad life choices so you can shove your moralising up your arse.

Whats your disability Miles?

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Your condition is an inflammation and fusing of the joints in the spine. Your inflammation is likely caused by age, malnutrition and toxins. My friend has exactly that and swears that it has made a huge difference. A very smart fellow who knows his lifestyle stuff. He no longer needs prescription medications. He turned me onto it knowing my ominous body condition. You are likely mineral deficient, most people are. There are ways to improve your heart too. Less anger would do it wonders!

I am registered disabled against my will, but it is what it is. Don't have a disabled sticker in my car or anything, but the government says I am until I am proven healthy for 5 years. Not much I can do about that really.

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You could not be more wrong. Please don't lecture me on a condition that all my siblings bar one live with. Their diets are incredibly well managed and have been since birth. It has not stopped their spines fusing. Your die in comparison and by your own admission is a car crash. Supplements are not the answer.

What is your disability then?

Do you know what this has nothing to do with Grenfell Tower which still dominates the headlines here and rightfully so. Many of the residents have still not been rehoused. Take your disdain for those living on council estates and your insistence that people are disabled because of lifestyle choices and start a new thread.

Fuckin ell, how bad were your life choices to get cancer?!

Mine just made me loose my hair and put on a bit of weight.

Seems like there is dispute about the numbers

"Newly formed Grenfell Tower residents’ groups have begun several parallel investigative attempts to compile lists of the victims and survivors of the London fire disaster, amid ongoing concern that the police and council have been slow to release information about the death toll.
Sajad Jamalvatan, a biomedical engineering student who lived on the third floor of the block, has established a Whatsapp community of 86 families who escaped from the block, calling the group Grenfell United. From conversations with these residents over the past fortnight he is sceptical about the police death toll of 79 and believes that the actual number is likely to be above 120...."


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-and-survivors

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My friend is convinced, but fair enough. Only trying to help. Doctors don't know what causes it and only have meds. Don't rule it out too hastily, but up to you. You can look into it or not.

My disability is just the old cancer. I don't think it is a disability myself being caught early, but for 5 years it is classed as such and I get support for my medical care. I work and live like normal. There is still the potential MG worry with my eye and fatigue but for now I am normal and don't consider myself disabled. I won't stop. I want to get to 20 years and retire. Stop then.

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I thought the scans said you were clear ?

Infliximab and running 30 mins per day is my advice.

You get disability forced on you over there??

Over on this side it's a pretty tedious process, as it probably should be, given the amount of Social Security fraud going on nowadays. Cancer survivors are normally not given disability benefits. It has to be a debilitating condition which does not allow you to work.

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Do you know what this has nothing to do with Grenfell Tower which still dominates the headlines here and rightfully so. Many of the residents have still not been rehoused. Take your disdain for those living on council estates and your insistence that people are disabled because of lifestyle choices and start a new thread.

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Ah yes....behold berating a cancer survivor for not being empathetic enough to the plight of the poor.


I bet the view is great from THAT moral high ground :-\

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Do you know what this has nothing to do with Grenfell Tower which still dominates the headlines here and rightfully so. Many of the residents have still not been rehoused. Take your disdain for those living on council estates and your insistence that people are disabled because of lifestyle choices and start a new thread.

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Ah yes....behold berating a cancer survivor for not being empathetic enough to the plight of the poor.


I bet the view is great from THAT moral high ground :-\

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Nice Lyle. I may be mistaken, but I thought that Miles didn't have chemo or drugs or any other treatment because what he thought might be cancer turned out not to be. Despite that I can remember telling you and Brock to lay off him a while back. I am not taking the moral high ground at all, there are other posters here with AS and I can assure it is incredibly painful every day but I am quite aware it is not cancer. They prescribed my NSAIDS to take and morphine patches to wear but I no longer use them because they make it hard to work. The disabled and the poor are often the same group and you just sound like a heartless bastard all thru this thread. In this country there are numerous cases of people being diagnosed with terminal cancer and then being found fit for work by private American companies insisting they are fit to work. Many, many of them dies within days of being found fit to work. That is why your politics stink. Narrow minded thinking in which money trumps decent values costs lives. Those poor people from Grenfell are dead because profit won over decency.

You might want to save those words for someone who is going to bother reading them or responding to them....I've told you already I'm NOT conversing with you anymore. So you take your butthurt and you go elsewhere ok? Ok buh-bye

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Your condition is an inflammation and fusing of the joints in the spine. Your inflammation is likely caused by age, malnutrition and toxins. My friend has exactly that and swears that it has made a huge difference. A very smart fellow who knows his lifestyle stuff. He no longer needs prescription medications.

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There are levels of severity to all illnesses/conditions. Just because your mate said his voodoo works a treat doesn't mean it's gonna make a jot of difference to some cunt diagnosed with the "same" condition that permanently needs a walking stick(s) to maintain balance, a mechanical bed to be able to lay down and get up, bathroom aids to use a toilet and sink, home conversions and an inabilty to lift a kettle, butter bread or turn a tap on until their prescription medications have kicked in.

If you want to know what it's like for some raspberry's with ankylosing spondylitis - When you wake up in the morning, instead of going to work, stay in bed, piss and shit yourself then lay there for 6 hours, have about a hundred goes at rolling out the bed until you finally achieve it, hopefully not breaking your wrist or dislocating a shoulder from the fall, then lie on the floor for another 6 hours praying you had a gun to end the torture because you're so pathetic you can't drag yourself upright.

Then the next morning - piss yourself whilst walking to the toilet and see how happy/relieved you feel at not having to experience the horror of yesterday.

And remember you're doing all this without constantly being in agnonsing, paralysing, pain.

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Do you know what this has nothing to do with Grenfell Tower which still dominates the headlines here and rightfully so. Many of the residents have still not been rehoused. Take your disdain for those living on council estates and your insistence that people are disabled because of lifestyle choices and start a new thread.

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Ah yes....behold berating a cancer survivor for not being empathetic enough to the plight of the poor.


I bet the view is great from THAT moral high ground :-\

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Nice Lyle. I may be mistaken, but I thought that Miles didn't have chemo or drugs or any other treatment because what he thought might be cancer turned out not to be. Despite that I can remember telling you and Brock to lay off him a while back. I am not taking the moral high ground at all, there are other posters here with AS and I can assure it is incredibly painful every day but I am quite aware it is not cancer. They prescribed my NSAIDS to take and morphine patches to wear but I no longer use them because they make it hard to work. The disabled and the poor are often the same group and you just sound like a heartless bastard all thru this thread. In this country there are numerous cases of people being diagnosed with terminal cancer and then being found fit for work by private American companies insisting they are fit to work. Many, many of them dies within days of being found fit to work. That is why your politics stink. Narrow minded thinking in which money trumps decent values costs lives. Those poor people from Grenfell are dead because profit won over decency.

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Who would be stupid enough to follow the evil advice of US insurance squads? That some stupid shir right there.

Maybe brockton will take the time to read and respond to your posts....not me, I no longer care what you have to say

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Do you know what this has nothing to do with Grenfell Tower which still dominates the headlines here and rightfully so. Many of the residents have still not been rehoused. Take your disdain for those living on council estates and your insistence that people are disabled because of lifestyle choices and start a new thread.

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Ah yes....behold berating a cancer survivor for not being empathetic enough to the plight of the poor.


I bet the view is great from THAT moral high ground :-\

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Nice Lyle. I may be mistaken, but I thought that Miles didn't have chemo or drugs or any other treatment because what he thought might be cancer turned out not to be. Despite that I can remember telling you and Brock to lay off him a while back. I am not taking the moral high ground at all, there are other posters here with AS and I can assure it is incredibly painful every day but I am quite aware it is not cancer. They prescribed my NSAIDS to take and morphine patches to wear but I no longer use them because they make it hard to work. The disabled and the poor are often the same group and you just sound like a heartless bastard all thru this thread. In this country there are numerous cases of people being diagnosed with terminal cancer and then being found fit for work by private American companies insisting they are fit to work. Many, many of them dies within days of being found fit to work. That is why your politics stink. Narrow minded thinking in which money trumps decent values costs lives. Those poor people from Grenfell are dead because profit won over decency.

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Who would be stupid enough to follow the evil advice of US insurance squads? That some stupid shir right there.

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The British Government. Cost me my job and many other people their lives.

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Ok. Thanks Lyle.

Was really hanging out for a reply from you there. My day seems incomplete now. You are like the missing roughage in a constipated person's diet. You may taste like shit but you sure are good for us. Your bible thumping bit where you went all Moses, was that not conversing then, you know the


"Behold, berating a cancer survivor for not being empathtic enough to the plight of the poor"


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or the bit about Brockton responding to my posts


Was that not just a teensy ikkle bit like conversing ? ;D

Why don't you all stand back take 5 and pop into the "amazing incident" thread and marvel at the goat video

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Why don't you all stand back take 5 and pop into the "amazing incident" thread and marvel at the goat video

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....but that cow that was knocked out reminded me of the POOOOOOR


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Ok. Thanks Lyle.

Was really hanging out for a reply from you there. My day seems incomplete now. You are like the missing roughage in a constipated person's diet. You may taste like shit but you sure are good for us. Your bible thumping bit where you went all Moses, was that not conversing then, you know the


"Behold, berating a cancer survivor for not being empathtic enough to the plight of the poor"


bit

or the bit about Brockton responding to my posts


Was that not just a teensy ikkle bit like conversing ? ;D

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Funny this came up I am very constipated and it's bothering me

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Your condition is an inflammation and fusing of the joints in the spine. Your inflammation is likely caused by age, malnutrition and toxins. My friend has exactly that and swears that it has made a huge difference. A very smart fellow who knows his lifestyle stuff. He no longer needs prescription medications.

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There are levels of severity to all illnesses/conditions. Just because your mate said his voodoo works a treat doesn't mean it's gonna make a jot of difference to some cunt diagnosed with the "same" condition that permanently needs a walking stick(s) to maintain balance, a mechanical bed to be able to lay down and get up, bathroom aids to use a toilet and sink, home conversions and an inabilty to lift a kettle, butter bread or turn a tap on until their prescription medications have kicked in.

If you want to know what it's like for some raspberry's with ankylosing spondylitis - When you wake up in the morning, instead of going to work, stay in bed, piss and shit yourself then lay there for 6 hours, have about a hundred goes at rolling out the bed until you finally achieve it, hopefully not breaking your wrist or dislocating a shoulder from the fall, then lie on the floor for another 6 hours praying you had a gun to end the torture because you're so pathetic you can't drag yourself upright.

Then the next morning - piss yourself whilst walking to the toilet and see how happy/relieved you feel at not having to experience the horror of yesterday.

And remember you're doing all this without constantly being in agnonsing, paralysing, pain.

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My friend has told me what it is like. The constant need for pain meds and anti inflammatories. How exercise is no longer possible. How sleeping became a nightmare. It worked. Life is still more limited but relieved of pain, sleeping better etc. If the spine has already fused then you will have a hard time without surgery, but if you catch it early enough and give your body the nutrition we do not get from diet alone because most of our food is depleted (even the good stuff) it can be relieved and controlled. If it works then good. If not don't ever mention it again. There is nothing voodoo about minerals that you don't have enough of. They get the body working in symbiosis again. The disease happens because your body isn't working as it should. It's likely a deficiency. Everything happens for a reason. Most disease is a deficiency. Mine certainly was. There is a reason the Royals live so long and healthily. They likely have information that we all need. No bread, no oils, organic and get your nutrients on top.

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Your condition is an inflammation and fusing of the joints in the spine. Your inflammation is likely caused by age, malnutrition and toxins. My friend has exactly that and swears that it has made a huge difference. A very smart fellow who knows his lifestyle stuff. He no longer needs prescription medications.

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There are levels of severity to all illnesses/conditions. Just because your mate said his voodoo works a treat doesn't mean it's gonna make a jot of difference to some cunt diagnosed with the "same" condition that permanently needs a walking stick(s) to maintain balance, a mechanical bed to be able to lay down and get up, bathroom aids to use a toilet and sink, home conversions and an inabilty to lift a kettle, butter bread or turn a tap on until their prescription medications have kicked in.

If you want to know what it's like for some raspberry's with ankylosing spondylitis - When you wake up in the morning, instead of going to work, stay in bed, piss and shit yourself then lay there for 6 hours, have about a hundred goes at rolling out the bed until you finally achieve it, hopefully not breaking your wrist or dislocating a shoulder from the fall, then lie on the floor for another 6 hours praying you had a gun to end the torture because you're so pathetic you can't drag yourself upright.

Then the next morning - piss yourself whilst walking to the toilet and see how happy/relieved you feel at not having to experience the horror of yesterday.

And remember you're doing all this without constantly being in agnonsing, paralysing, pain.

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My friend has told me what it is like. The constant need for pain meds and anti inflammatories. How exercise is no longer possible. How sleeping became a nightmare. It worked. Life is still more limited but relieved of pain, sleeping better etc. If the spine has already fused then you will have a hard time without surgery, but if you catch it early enough and give your body the nutrition we do not get from diet alone because most of our food is depleted (even the good stuff) it can be relieved and controlled. If it works then good. If not don't ever mention it again. There is nothing voodoo about minerals that you don't have enough of. They get the body working in symbiosis again. The disease happens because your body isn't working as it should. It's likely a deficiency. Everything happens for a reason. Most disease is a deficiency. Mine certainly was. There is a reason the Royals live so long and healthily. They likely have information that we all need. No bread, no oils, organic and get your nutrients on top.

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There are levels of severity to all illnesses/conditions. Just because your mate said his voodoo works a treat doesn't mean it's gonna make a jot of difference to some cunt diagnosed with the "same" condition that permanently needs a walking stick(s) to maintain balance, a mechanical bed to be able to lay down and get up, bathroom aids to use a toilet and sink, home conversions and an inabilty to lift a kettle, butter bread or turn a tap on until their prescription medications have kicked in.

If you want to know what it's like for some raspberry's with ankylosing spondylitis - When you wake up in the morning, instead of going to work, stay in bed, piss and shit yourself then lay there for 6 hours, have about a hundred goes at rolling out the bed until you finally achieve it, hopefully not breaking your wrist or dislocating a shoulder from the fall, then lie on the floor for another 6 hours praying you had a gun to end the torture because you're so pathetic you can't drag yourself upright.

Then the next morning - piss yourself whilst walking to the toilet and see how happy/relieved you feel at not having to experience the horror of yesterday.

And remember you're doing all this without constantly being in agnonsing, paralysing, pain.

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My friend has told me what it is like. The constant need for pain meds and anti inflammatories. How exercise is no longer possible. How sleeping became a nightmare. It worked. Life is still more limited but relieved of pain, sleeping better etc. If the spine has already fused then you will have a hard time without surgery, but if you catch it early enough and give your body the nutrition we do not get from diet alone because most of our food is depleted (even the good stuff) it can be relieved and controlled. If it works then good. If not don't ever mention it again. There is nothing voodoo about minerals that you don't have enough of. They get the body working in symbiosis again. The disease happens because your body isn't working as it should. It's likely a deficiency. Everything happens for a reason. Most disease is a deficiency. Mine certainly was. There is a reason the Royals live so long and healthily. They likely have information that we all need. No bread, no oils, organic and get your nutrients on top.

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It would help you too, Walrus. Natural anti inflammatories. Calcium plus magnesium plus 77 trace minerals for maximum absorbtion. Please don't call me any names though. Only trying to help. I have my arm and shoulder pain too and potential MG. It really does help relieve pain and no prescription pills.

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Omg that stuff fenster is talking about scared the shit out of me. @Fenster I really hope you don't suffer from that, you probably specified but it sounds so bad I can't read it. @miles what is mg not familiar with that one other than the abbreviation for milligram

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Myasthenia Gravis. A weird condition where the eyes start going wonky and muscles stop working properly. I am otherwise okay, but some strange symptoms going on whence my crusade to stay as healthy as I can and get all the nutrients I need.

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So you have potential mg not definite? Is it diagnosed only by symptoms or can they tell by blood test etc. sounds slightly in the realm of ms. Kind of scary. I just had a physical and the doctor checked my prostate. It was traumatizing, he had hands the size of a professional football player. I have a stack of papers for blood work, just standard check up stuff but every morning I forget and have a glass of orange juice then can't get the test cause it needs to be fasting

Yeah, I'm not at the age where you r supposed to get regular prostate checks yet but I told the doc I have trouble making pee pee on occasion. He said he'd check my psa via blood but he said I would do a digital exam since I never had one. I was mentally unprepared for such an intrusion. I really felt violated. I couldn't look the doctor in the eye afterwards and if I see him in public I will need to hide. All that and he said it was normal anyway. This may sound weird but I think he enjoyed it and spent longer in there than need be

smoked or cured meats like Slim Jims are a no-no. Its what I've always read since the 90's, Miles is right about the nutrients

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You are such a rude man. I know someone with your condition whose life has been changed by nutrition and you insult me after I try to suggest something to you.

You are the naive one taking the harmful meds in the first place and you are ignorant about how your body is obviously out of balance and defunctioning.

What a horrible, sour, old man you are. It was you who could never change. Like Lyle, I have no reason to exchange with you. All you have are insults and put downs because nobody agrees with you on things. We get it you 'Don't give a fuck' and we 'are all cunts'.

I know your condition and made a simple suggestion. I know it has worked for others too. Whatever. You are obviously far less knowlegable and flexible than I thought.

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Fenster has explained to you in very candid terms the reality of living with a chronic long term health condition. Did it not cross your mind for one minute that he and others like myself suffering from such a debilitating condition might have explored countless options in an effort to better live with the disease? It is very misunderstood and you are only adding to that misunderstanding with your insistence that it somehow down to bad choices by those suffering.

AS (ankylosing spondylitis) is often thought to only affect young males and be simply a case of back pain. That is clearly not true 2 of my 3 half sisters and both my half brothers have it, as does my 70 year old father. We all have it in differing degrees.My youngest half brother is not yet out if his 20's and is already bent over like a question mark, it is horrendous and heart breaking to see a young man with a third of his spine fused. the majority of people with AS have the HLA-B27 antigen. The genetic element is clearly beyond dispute. My half siblings mother is a medicinal herbalist and nutritionist and so they have never eaten wheat or gluten since being born in the 1980's and your naive idea that it is simply down to a body being out of balance and can be alleviated with supplements and minerals is just you wanting to the expert on everything as usual. It is nonsense. AS is a auto immune disorder like most arthritic conditions and there is no cure. Anti inflammatory drugs can help alleviate some of the symptoms yet despite the fact that I don't even take them you are suggesting that I harmed myself by taking them in the first place? Do you think they give you morphine because you are bored or something? and you are calling me rude? your lack of empathy borders on the psychopathic Miles.


Slinging around expressions like


"I know your condition" and "you are ignorant about how your body is obviously out of balance and defunctioning" does nothing to help and just betrays your own chronic lack of respect for other posters.


You did not even eat vegetables until very recently and now you are lecturing us on nutrition? You are boasting about sending off to America for organic supplements and buying into the sick INFOWARS bullshit marketing thing when we have had holistic and herbal treatments, organic veg and alternative complimentary therapies here for decades. We grow stuff in our gardens and make tinctures and essential oils etc and they can help some arthritic conditions but they will not unfuse your spine, but no you have the inside track because you subscribe to some nutjob on the internet. What a foolish horrible little man you are.

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Wow ;D. six pages in half a day, does anyone here actually do manual work away from a keyboard ;D.

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Actually yesterday I was writing all day and editing so yes I did dip a bit in between. A few developers on here too all though they were not contributing.

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Omg that stuff fenster is talking about scared the shit out of me. @Fenster I really hope you don't suffer from that, you probably specified but it sounds so bad I can't read it.

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I wont be suffering much longer now that miles has sorted it out.

Even though every day - morning, afternoon, night - I already have a prescription diet of strong vitamins, calcium, thiamine etc, I just need to buy the over counter supplement that "cured" miles mate who had an "identical" condition to mine. I can't wait to inform the rheumatologists that I no longer need yearly injections. No more daily morphine, codeine, naxproxen, celecoxib and plain old paracetamol to be able to comfortably function, sit and speak to you lot.

Hey, the good news is i'm deffo top three P4P cripple on Saddo's, anyone could duff me up, well, apart from miles.

@Beanz - thanks, i'll check that out.

Miles. Enough with the bullshit ill thought out propaganda. My half siblings grew up in India, Morocco and Northern Cypress so none of them are vitamin D3 deficient, none of them ate bread and neither did their mother. Being a well regarded and recognised medicinal herbalists and nutritionist she made sure their diet was exemplary. Fish Oils, long chain fatty acids, seedsetc were a prominent in their diet. She did this because she married my father who has AS and knew of the possibility of him passing it on. All this, daily meditation, yoga, tai chi and qigong and they still have AS. It is clearly not caused by mineral deficiency and is stupid to say so.

You are literally telling a guy crippled with pain that he just needs to eat better. It's incredibly insensitive and arrogant of you. You have even admitted that you don't even read the posts trying to explain to you the realities of living with the condition because you already think you know it all.

The crappy supplements you are trying to market for Wallach are potentially hazardous products water leached form shale in coal fields. The guy is a dangerous quack. He is the same guy who falsely promoted amygdalin as a cancer cure and hydrogen peroxide as a treatment for coronary heart disease. It's bullshit, American snake oil salesman and you are trying to encourage others to buy into your easy western fix for everything. Life does not work like that and you know this but you will never concede it because you do not want to be seen as gullible.

It's fucking horrible what people have to live with and you are on your soapbox belittling it and touting an easy mail order fix . You are a sheep. Easy pickings for them.

Actually the pharmaceutical industry pumps millions if not billions into anti supplement propoganda. Big pharma lobbies congress to make all supplements obtainable by a doctors perscription or ban them outright. I am not saying they can cure everything but certainly some are beneficial and less toxic than the meds we get at the pharmacy with 30 pages of side effects listed. Nothing wrong with adding some supplements. During a routine blood test my vitamin D level was so low the doctor initially thought it was a error. She told me to buy vitamin d and wrote down what I should take. @Fenster I'll trade u some fish oil for some morphine

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Most people with AS are deficient in one or the other main nutrients I mentioned above. This clearly indicates a problem that accumulated over time. Fenster wasn't likely not born from day 1 with the problem and neither were you. Your body was likely not absorbing nutrients for whatever the reason was based upon your individual life circumstances. Doctors themselves admit that they do not know the cause and that usually puts it down to the default 'autoimmune' category. It can be regulated.

Your family sounds very unusual Beanz, but you were likely not absorbing nutrients because of any number of reasons. 99% of people are nutrient deficient despite eating as well as they can. You cannot get good nutrition from contemporary depleted soils or the foods grown in them. You said earlier what would I know. Well it has become my mission to understand as I know the price of mineral deficiency as do most people in one way or another.

I understand that Fenster is very sick and want him to get well. Please stop abusing me and don't slander one of the most advanced nutritional groups in the world today. The products are life changing for so many people and that should be respected. To have faith in medicine would have you on diabetes meds for life. Most of these things can be cured or relieved naturally and in the long run at less cost.

It's good to keep options open and at least consider alternatives. It doesn't hurt to suggest ideas. I already cired a friend who is over the moon with it. Same condition as you both and convinced something in his past triggered it. A smart, decent chap.

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For fucks sake. Yes he was likely born with it. The genetic factor is clearly there just because you refuse to accept that. Stop pedaling your bullshit. It's not slander it's a fact. Wallach is a dangerous quack and you have fallen for his bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about and it's incredibly offensive to suggest that these things can be cured or relieved naturally by some magic PRODUCT. Your mineral deficiency campaign is just another form of evangelical nonsense like the crap that Shouty Alex Jones sells you fool.