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@Beanz look how nasty this guy gotQuote:
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You weren't nasty, Batman. Flood Boy is cranky.Quote:
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Yeah I was scoring it live. I was influenced by the evil commentators
You were certainly influenced by something.Quote:
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Glad you agree that's why I scored it 115 for Triple G and 114 for CaneloQuote:
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You had Golovkin winning after all that! Why are you arguing with us? Muppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustGlad you agree that's why I scored it 115 for Triple G and 114 for CaneloQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou were certainly influenced by something.Quote:
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I told you I scoredd while listening to the evil commentators
But then I scored it again the next day without the audio
1. if you're that easily influenced , how can anyone take your opinion seriously , seeing as it's not actually YOUR opinion, more the commentators ?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
2. not a major deal changing your mind after a re-watch to a certain degree, but how do you go from GGG winning to Canelo "Whacking the shit" out of him? massive difference. Wow! those US Commentators must be really influential.
"whacking the shit" was in my round by round description
When you’re-watched it, how many did you have Canelo winning by?
One point 115-114Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I gave Triple G the 12th round as well
so all this baiting and dissing of GGG and you basically had it either way or within a hairs breadth . that's kind of a backhanded compliment to GGG and a sizeable chunk of kneejerk from you.
Using words like baiting and dissing and trolling will never succeed in demonizing someone who is making a commentary.Quote:
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I’m not talking about the commentary , I’m talking about the continual jibes of GGG over the last couple of years at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustUsing words like baiting and dissing and trolling will never succeed in demonizing someone who is making a commentary.Quote:
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The way you talk about him in general , you would think he’s a piece of shit. Yet he lost by your reckoning (well second time of watching anyway.) by the tightest of margins .
For the record , I had Canelo winning it by 2 despite the majority going the other way. But it really could’ve gone either way.
i talk about alot of people like theyre pieces of shit.
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https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/09...on-12th-round/
Some eye-opening stuff. With the benefit of the replay, it's not surprising to see more and more observers lean even more toward GGG. Hell, even Fat Dan, he of the unabashed Mexican bias, gave the 12th round clearly to GGG. Every single frigging survey taken after the fight shows that most knowledgeable boxing observers gave the fight to GGG. A draw would've been a bit more decent, but still wrong.
The author says GBP made a mistake by holding the rematch again in T-Mobile Arena in Vegas, 'cause perception from the 1st fight was that GGG had been robbed when Canelo was given a gift decision. I'd beg to differ. GBP did exactly what everyone and their mother knew they would do. WHEN has Canelo ever ventured out of the friendly, bought confines of Las Vegas?? He never has, and he never will. GBP has put in a lot of money, what with the bought judges and all that, to ever hold a Canelo fight anywhere else.
The author's suggestions on how fight judging needs to be changed is a big "Duh!!", but welcome just the same. We boxing fans know all the answers, but nothing ever gets done. Judging remains corrupt, inept, and one of the things that bring down boxing. But nothing gets done. Fans continue to turn away in disgust, except for the fanboy groups who benefit from these shady decisions. The cycle repeats itself over and over and over again.
I feel that borders on conspiracy theory. Canelo won the fight by one point he also won the perception of the fight and the story of the fight. Triple G was flat but didn't fight so great for the first six rounds. I did give him the 12th round. He had absolutely zero body attack. I don't think you can win a fight like that when the other guy landed 80 or 100 body shots
Canelo won with effective aggression and hard power punching.
Damn that's the first time we ever agreed
Now provide a list with 25 successful boxers and they all say Canelo won. My car needs work and I need advice do I ask a mechanic or a publication / media person?Quote:
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I was looking for something like this all last night. Thanks for sharing.
What can I say. It was closer than the first fight, which they inexplicably called a draw, so of course they gave it to Canelo.
I've looked back at some scorecards by Dave Moretti on Canelo fights and, although not as corrupt/inept as a CJ Ross or Adelaide Byrd, with Moretti scoring you practically have to kill Canelo to get him to score the other way.
Not in the robbery category maybe, but definitely the wrong decision as evidenced by the almost unanimous consensus by the boxing experts.
Bottom line: Canelo fans thought Canelo won. Boxing fans know GGG won.
Well, the poll's closed and we can see the final results.
The totals say 26-GGG, 9-Canelo, 4-Draw. But Hulk and Dia said GGG and didn't vote. Armin and Walrus said GGG but mistakenly voted Canelo.
Fix those oversights and the totals become 30-7-4.
GGG wins the polling by a landslide of 73.2%.
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Didn't find 25... you'll have to settle for 4. Terrence Crawford, Carl Frampton, Audley Harrison all Tweeted they thought GGG won. Amir Khan was the lone Canelo man. Sample size is small, but that damn 75% edge just won't go away.
BTW, your car analogy seriously lacks reality. You really think Teddy Atlas is unfit to give an accurate opinion of the fight? Sure, Teddy boxed a bit, but he's by no means a "successful boxer".
Nice Work, Tito. The truth wills out in the end. Like with Pac Marquez.
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ge..._(2nd_meeting)Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingNow provide a list with 25 successful boxers and they all say Canelo won. My car needs work and I need advice do I ask a mechanic or a publication / media person?Quote:
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I was looking for something like this all last night. Thanks for sharing.
What can I say. It was closer than the first fight, which they inexplicably called a draw, so of course they gave it to Canelo.
I've looked back at some scorecards by Dave Moretti on Canelo fights and, although not as corrupt/inept as a CJ Ross or Adelaide Byrd, with Moretti scoring you practically have to kill Canelo to get him to score the other way.
Not in the robbery category maybe, but definitely the wrong decision as evidenced by the almost unanimous consensus by the boxing experts.
Bottom line: Canelo fans thought Canelo won. Boxing fans know GGG won.
Under unofficial results here... You point out something interesting, most media go with golovkin or draw and more fighters seem to think alvarez won..
There's at least 5-6 Mexicans and 3-4 other Hispanics in the list of those who thought Canelo won. No Mexicans or other Hispanics said Golovkin. That's also pretty interesting.
I had it for GGG, but was thinking it’s a fair point that trying to goad Camelot into fighting a more “Mexican style” really backfired on him and could have influenced perception. He won wide the first time by controlling range with his jab, and he was only getting older.
Ha. I guess trying to piss off the knights of king Arthurs court wouldn’t be wise for any one man though. Fucking auto correct;D
I could say something funny which would be just a friendly kind of humor but now I have to refrain.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
in any case I am definitely in the group that thinks Canelo won. And the reason why I think he won is because he took the fight to Triple G and when you compare that like Max Kellerman said the Optics of the fight everyone's remembering how Canelo just ran and ran and ran in the first fight and how he got called out about it and in the second fight you just have the image of Canelo attacking throwing four and five punch combinations and really whacking the body with that left hook underneath. If there's any Lasting Impressions from the fight it is definitely Canelo Alvarez with the flashy Superfast three and four punch combinations and that very loud whacking kind of smacking sound that he got out of that left hook underneath to the liver and to the appendix area. Ouch!!!
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI could say something funny which would be just a friendly kind of humor but now I have to refrain.Quote:
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in any case I am definitely in the group that thinks Canelo won. And the reason why I think he won is because he took the fight to Triple G and when you compare that like Max Kellerman said the Optics of the fight everyone's remembering how Canelo just ran and ran and ran in the first fight and how he got called out about it and in the second fight you just have the image of Canelo attacking throwing four and five punch combinations and really whacking the body with that left hook underneath. If there's any Lasting Impressions from the fight it is definitely Canelo Alvarez with the flashy Superfast three and four punch combinations and that very loud whacking kind of smacking sound that he got out of that left hook underneath to the liver and to the appendix area. Ouch!!!
"Friendly kind of humor" is fine. Personal attacks aren't. You're old enough to know the difference. ;)
Hey, it's FINE to think Canelo won. The fight was close enough to warrant different opinions. It wasn't quite the robbery the first fight was. I'm just pointing out that the VAST majority of observers thought GGG won, including myself. Usually when any poll you carry out results in 75% results for one guy, it kind of gives you the impression the judges got it wrong. Canelo gave a good account of himself though, and both guys fought like true warriors. Still... Canelo, IMO, will never inhabit ATG territory for many reasons, one of them being his being a convicted cheater.
[QUOTE=brocktonblockbust;1496719]Listen ow okay because think about it he's not really a middleweight so how could he be an all-time great the fuck invented his own weight class, a true all-time great would fight in several weight classes