Furys Dad has been refused entry into the US because of an incident 11 years ago when he gouged a man's eye out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...ay-Wilder.html
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Furys Dad has been refused entry into the US because of an incident 11 years ago when he gouged a man's eye out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...ay-Wilder.html
They're not sending their bestQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Furys now got Freddie Roach in his corner as his cut man.
ROACH THE COACH Tyson Fury hires legendary boxing coach Freddie Roach for Deontay Wilder fight
The Gypsy King takes on big punching WBC champ Wilder next month with both fighters undefeated records on the line
TYSON FURY has teamed up with legendary trainer Freddie Roach for his WBC world title fight against Deontay Wilder.
Fury has moved away from the Big Bear Gym in California he shared with Gennady Golovkin and set up at Roach’s Wild Card Gym in Los Angeles ahead of the next month's huge showdown.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...0367.jpg?w=960
Roach, who worked with boxing’s only eight-division world champion Manny Pacquiao for 20 years, says he was asked by Fury to work his corner at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on December 1.
The trainer revealed he will be working alongside Fury’s young trainer Ben Davison as the Gypsy King’s cut man.
He told SI.com: “He asked me if I’d work in his corner, he asked me if I could do cuts.
“I said, ‘Yeah, I have guys better than me though.’
“He said, ‘Do you know what you’re doing?’, and I said, ‘Of course I do - I have everything you need.’ So I’m the cut man.”
Roach has been working with Fury at his gym in LA and is full of praise for the Manchester-born fighter’s boxing skills.
He added: “I like him, he’s very positive and he has a good idea of how he is going to win this fight.
“He’s got good legs, he feints well. He’s a talented guy.”
Roach believes the Brit can out-box the heavy punching Wilder and insists Fury’s conditioning will allow him to go 12 rounds without any problem.
He continued: “I think he has the ability to outbox Wilder.
“He can’t outpunch him. If he tries to slug with him, he’ll get caught.
“But he’s a good boxer and he has good legs and I think he can box for 12 rounds without any problem whatsoever.
“He seems to be in very good condition. Boxing here, he has gone up to 12 rounds a couple of times.
“His best asset is his sight. He sees what’s happening in there, he’s not going to get hit with a right hand out of left field.
“I like him in this fight a lot. I think he has a great game plan to win this fight.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/77381...eontay-wilder/
I’m not being a cunt , and I know Roach will be doing more than just cuts , but surely his hands will be too shaky to take care of cuts?
Don’t tell me nobody hasn’t thought this?
No, never thought of that, he does pad work and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Yeah, but his shakes aren’t such a problem when he’s on the pads. Trying to tend to a cut eye is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo, never thought of that, he does pad work and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I can think.of steadier hands in the business, strange move picking Roach, is Fury having doubts about his own trainer and his massive lack of experience?
Ricky Hatton is also in his corner
Can’t believe this is just 2 weeks away.
Kept away from news really and updates but start to take interest around now - hope he’s in shape I really do.
Has Fury ever been noticeably out of shape for a fight? Genuinely asking. If he’s able to do what he wants to do in there, that will be keep things at a low pace and box. Naturally people will make it about his condition, as he got so fat and out of his tree during the lay-off, but it’s going to boil down to raw ability and being able to execute a plan. If it becomes a dog fight for any length, it’s going to get ugly for Fury.
Wilder's team should know that setting a fast pace is to their advantage. Depending on where Fury is at this stage, I'm not sure Wilder can enforce that tho. I have a feeling this will be a horrible fight to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I honestly don't think his physical shape good or bad would stop him from fighting how he does...it's all reach, upper body movement, and balance, he's got exceptional footwork for a big man.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I think he could be a bit out of shape vs Wilder and it wouldn't impact his performance one way or the other.
Not sure Wilder would work the body anyway
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder: Freddie Roach and Ricky Hatton to be in Brit’s corner on fight night
Both Freddie Roach and Ricky Hatton will be in Tyson Fury’s corner for his WBC Heavyweight Championship bout against Deontay Wilder on 1 December.
Fury has spent his training camp in the San Bernardino mountains at Roach’s Big Bear training facility in California and the legendary coach is believed to have been a constant presence in his camp alongside primary trainer Ben Davison.
Roach has previously worked with the likes of Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, James Toney and Amir Khan and is considered to be one of the best trainers in the history of the sport.
In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Roach said:
“He asked me if I’d work in his corner. He asked me if I could do cuts. I said, ‘Yeah, I have guys better than me though.’ He said, ‘Do you know what you’re doing?’ And I said, ‘Of course I do - I have everything you need.’ So I’m the cut man.”
“I like him - he’s very positive and he has a good idea of how he is going to win this fight,” Roach said. “He’s got good legs, he feints well. He’s a talented guy.”
Both Freddie Roach and Ricky Hatton will be in Tyson Fury’s corner for his WBC Heavyweight Championship bout against Deontay Wilder on 1 December.
Fury has spent his training camp in the San Bernardino mountains at Roach’s Big Bear training facility in California and the legendary coach is believed to have been a constant presence in his camp alongside primary trainer Ben Davison.
Roach has previously worked with the likes of Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, James Toney and Amir Khan and is considered to be one of the best trainers in the history of the sport.
In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Roach said:
“He asked me if I’d work in his corner. He asked me if I could do cuts. I said, ‘Yeah, I have guys better than me though.’ He said, ‘Do you know what you’re doing?’ And I said, ‘Of course I do - I have everything you need.’ So I’m the cut man.”
“I like him - he’s very positive and he has a good idea of how he is going to win this fight,” Roach said. “He’s got good legs, he feints well. He’s a talented guy.”
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https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tys...152105325.html
Expect ticket price slashes coming soon.
They really failed with this card. Not 1 fighter from LA on the card. This should have been in the UK.
Where you getting the info on ticket sales?
Was only 7000 sold up till last weekend in a venue that seats 21,000.
That's piss poor. I can understand why it's not selling like others do but not why it's that bad.
I would say "What about the card as a whole".....it's actually not all that bad of a card though, should be some very interesting, entertaining fights going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
That said, California at the time is a place on fire.....LITERALLY....so perhaps folks ain't all excited about heading to the fights as they typically would be if it didn't look like Hell itself was rising out of the San Andreas
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Originally Posted by El KabongI would say "What about the card as a whole".....it's actually not all that bad of a card though, should be some very interesting, entertaining fights going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
That said, California at the time is a place on fire.....LITERALLY....so perhaps folks ain't all excited about heading to the fights as they typically would be if it didn't look like Hell itself was rising out of the San Andreas
Yeah good point about the fires. Which just brings to the forefront the question as to why Staples Center in L.A. was chosen in the first place. Seems Wilder is playing tic-tac-toe around the established places for boxing. Alabama won't cut it anymore... so he goes to Barclay in Brooklyn (what... no MSG?). Now he hits the revered boxing site Staples Center in boxing-mad L.A. Las Vegas it seems, was missed by the pilots who continued on to Los Angeles.
Yeah... it all makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:
I don't place all the blame on Wilder....could he have been managed and promoted better? Yeah I guess, but he could have also been pushed way too fast and already be a nobody. He could EASILY be another Michael Grant and not to dis Michael Grant too much, but hey he didn't have much of a following either.
I think American boxing fans celebrate a few things, tenacity, heart, excitement, and quality....been hard to tell honestly with Wilder which of those he TRULY has and American fans have been burned before. I think they're being very cautious with the guy because they don't want to get stung again.....it kind of sucks to have faith in a fighter and just see them fail miserably.
I remember having all the faith in the world over Andy Lee and then just seeing that guy peak at what I considered a very low point for his ability, it just makes you jaded. And you look at the American heavyweight scene since the era of Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, and it's just a wasteland of one hit wonders, giant duds, and guys who had their careers cut short by injury.
Wilder just a minority sport in the US, fight 40 nonces for less viewers than the wrestling, or even worse MMA! Fury has an easy night acting like a pub bouncer with the local hooligan. Fair play to Warren, and I'm not a fan, he saw his opportunity and took it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I'm no Wilder fan, but I'd be happy for him to win this. You know, Fury reached the top and threw it away. It's great what he's done to get back to this stage, but he might have blown it.
Wilder's still grinding to get to the top.
Full Card -
12 – WBC heavyweight title
Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury
12 IBF/WBA/IBO super welterweight titles
Jarrett Hurd v Jason Welborn
12 – vacant IBF minimumweight title
Mark Anthony Barriga v Carlos Licona
10 – heavyweight
Luis Ortiz v Travis Kauffman
10 – heavyweight
Joe Joyce v Joe Hanks
10 – heavyweight
Chris Arreola v Maurenzo Smith
10 – light heavyweight
Anthony Yarde v TBA
8 – super featherweight
Isaac Lowe v Lucas Baez
8 – super bantamweight
Jesse Rodriguez v Axel Vega
4 – cruiserweight
Marsellos Wilder v David Damore
Piss poor undercard, really dreadful. There was talk initially of Santa Cruz vs GARY Russell and Mares vs gervonta davis, I think those fights are even still happening at a later date? Lsc and Mares are both from LA and sell tickets, and those fights would have made it a mega event for any boxing fan. I’d almost guarantee the numbers they would have propped this card up by would have made any demands they had as far as purses been well worth it. You have to think someone really shit the bed here.
The only fight I'm interested in on the undercard is Mark Anthony Barriga v Carlos Licona. But yea the undercard is a letdown from what was initially mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
It's really disappointing to see that 2 of the best 3 heavyweights are fighting and the fight is getting so much hate, to a point where people are looking for any reason to complain. ticket sales aren't good so it must be a shit fight, right? The undercard is shit so the fight will be shit, right? The undercard still has some really good fighters and the main fight itself is amazing with the top 2 guys fighting in a pick 'em type fight. We should be happy and hope things change from here on when it comes to top guys fighting, considering how difficult it is these days to get the top guys to fight. As boxing enthusiasts, we should find positives in this for any casuals that may read, thus helping our sport and changing the image it has right now where our top two guys can't sell for shit. I'm not saying let's pretend the negative is not there but let's bring some positivity in to the forum. Since I've been back from my hiatus on this forum, I have seen a big change and it seems to me that a lot of negativity has spread and it's off putting. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is just my general observation as of recent.
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Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Well put.
I don't disagree with the general theme of the post, but I don't think anyone has a problem with the fight itself. It's as intriguing as it gets for me, pure bull versus matador stuff and I cant wait. As fans we want our big attractions to cross over into the mainstream and the heavyweight championship of the world is as big as it gets. Without the X-Factor of someone like AJ who could sell snow to Eskimos, the whole promotion needs to work and work well. The venue, how full it is, the under card are all integral to the overall package and how it's received not just by boxing fans but by Joe Bloggs on the street. The concerns voiced here are done so out of a genuine concern for boxing, the package and how it's perceived by boxing and non boxing fans alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI don't disagree with the general theme of the post, but I don't think anyone has a problem with the fight itself. It's as intriguing as it gets for me, pure bull versus matador stuff and I cant wait. As fans we want our big attractions to cross over into the mainstream and the heavyweight championship of the world is as big as it gets. Without the X-Factor of someone like AJ who could sell snow to Eskimos, the whole promotion needs to work and work well. The venue, how full it is, the under card are all integral to the overall package and how it's received not just by boxing fans but by Joe Bloggs on the street. The concerns voiced here are done so out of a genuine concern for boxing, the package and how it's perceived by boxing and non boxing fans alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
I guess my post more was out of frustration due to what I'm seeing on the forum, I don't want to go into specifics of what it is exactly as I don't want to become a part of it. This thread was 'the straw that broke the camel's back' type situation and the reason I bothered posting in the first place is because there are some great posters here and I have some respect for this place as compared to the internet in general, where I wouldn't bother wasting a moment on thought, nevermind making a comment. So I just felt like I could express myself a little in a place where there are some respectable posters, whose opinions I value.
I understand where your're coming from, I like the fight, I have o problem with this fight, I just think opportunities have been missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraFair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisI don't disagree with the general theme of the post, but I don't think anyone has a problem with the fight itself. It's as intriguing as it gets for me, pure bull versus matador stuff and I cant wait. As fans we want our big attractions to cross over into the mainstream and the heavyweight championship of the world is as big as it gets. Without the X-Factor of someone like AJ who could sell snow to Eskimos, the whole promotion needs to work and work well. The venue, how full it is, the under card are all integral to the overall package and how it's received not just by boxing fans but by Joe Bloggs on the street. The concerns voiced here are done so out of a genuine concern for boxing, the package and how it's perceived by boxing and non boxing fans alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
I guess my post more was out of frustration due to what I'm seeing on the forum, I don't want to go into specifics of what it is exactly as I don't want to become a part of it. This thread was 'the straw that broke the camel's back' type situation and the reason I bothered posting in the first place is because there are some great posters here and I have some respect for this place as compared to the internet in general, where I wouldn't bother wasting a moment on thought, nevermind making a comment. So I just felt like I could express myself a little in a place where there are some respectable posters, whose opinions I value.
What I like most about the fight is the willingness of two top guys to fight. The fight was made with a minimum of jockeying for position and a minimum of negotiations drama. Total contrast with the talks between AJ and Wilder that had preceded these. Also in total contrast with other divisions and other top draws, who seem to live off the jockeying and the dodging and the marinating. It gets to the point where boxing fans become jaded and drained. The fight may or may not be of great quality, competitiveness, or what have you. But if it happens (still nervous about a possible pullout by Fury), kudos to both for doing "a Nike"...... Just Do It. The undercard is the undercard.... and I've seen enough to know sometimes they live up to the promise... sometimes they don't. It's unpredictable. Hopefully this fight (main event) will give boxing in general that little nudge toward just making the big fights without all the unnecessary and tiring drama.
This fight ain't half as big as Fury/Wilder fans and AJ haters made out, that's all. And the poor ticket sales and lack of "casual" interest is just the facts and figures being discussed.
The truth why it's not the mega fight many thought is --- it's a fight to become the clear 2nd best heavyweight in the world. And everyone knows it. To quote Mike - AJ could draw more people to watch him have a five knuckle shuffle than these two can to fight.
Personally I think the buildup and promotion has been superb, the BT/Showtime films are great.
Can’t believe this is just a week away.
This is when I usually start to take a big interest but not seeing much really - I don’t have bt sport but will pay for this one. All seems quiet.
What’s latest from Fury ?? Is he bottling it ??
If Fury was going to pull out, he would have done it by now. The fight is on and Fury looks to good shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Hope he is.
Not seen any footage of him of late
So I’ve just checked how to pay for the fight and you have to be registered with bt sport box office - as I’m not already a customer as have sky
Tried to register and it failed on submission of card details though now stuck in a loop as if I try to re register it says already registered and if I try to log in it says no such account.
How many will leave it till the day....
I can see thousands not being able to pay for it Saturday when they try - sky customers will assume it’s just a click on the remote.
Cunts
Think Sky are doing it on purpose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I never thought of that. Its the bt website that's failing for me.
I've now managed to register after being on the phone but my payment has failed three times. I've given up for now.
Oh for a simple click on the remote.