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That would be rubbish. There are loads of great fights for Canelo against young prime dudes like him - Bivol, Smith, Saunders, Benavidez (politics), Andrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
No way he goes back to 160, he'll drag the middleweights up to 168 - which is only GGG/Andrade - and can easily fight the others at 168 or even a 170 catchweight. I've ignored Beterbiev for obvious reasons - it doesn't make sense for Canelo/politics.
Not as rubbish as Floyd vs McGregor, or some of the other crap they have sold over the years. I'm not saying it should happen. Just asking if Ward would be enticed back. For Canelo, it's another big name, with advantages stacked in his favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat would be rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Sorry meant to like rather than dislike your post and now I can’t change it on my phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Bang on the money as usual Brock Clouseau ;D
Anyone thinking Kov was 'Dictating' the Fight' needs to watch again with their head on the outside of their arse. Whatever you think of Canelo he dealt very impressively with the job in front of him. Palmerq is right Canelo does not seem to have it in his arsenal to be able to make the adjustments needed to move and shut opponents down earlier by setting traps, he thinks about it and trys a bit without committing too much, but he is still a top fighter despite that. Just continues to prove how good Golovkin was/is.
Be interesting to see what is next and exactly what Canelo will have to do before people start admitting the guy is top drawer.
The only part of your post I would question is about proving how good GGG is.
I feel slightly the opposite really . Pre-Canelo , GGG was being talked of as some sort of beast, and if anything , the Jacobs and Canelo fights were where he found his level, which were short of that.
Obviously he was/is getting older every day and that has to be factored in as well.
rematch Rocky Fielding or fight the winner of KSL v Paul loganQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Bang on the money as usual Brock Clouseau ;D
Anyone thinking Kov was 'Dictating' the Fight' needs to watch again with their head on the outside of their arse. Whatever you think of Canelo he dealt very impressively with the job in front of him. Palmerq is right Canelo does not seem to have it in his arsenal to be able to make the adjustments needed to move and shut opponents down earlier by setting traps, he thinks about it and trys a bit without committing too much, but he is still a top fighter despite that. Just continues to prove how good Golovkin was/is.
Be interesting to see what is next and exactly what Canelo will have to do before people start admitting the guy is top drawer.
I doubt Canelo would call for that fight but maybe. The problem is that if Ward accepted it, it would mean that he feels good and knows he can win. If Ward were anything like he were before, he would shut out Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNot as rubbish as Floyd vs McGregor, or some of the other crap they have sold over the years. I'm not saying it should happen. Just asking if Ward would be enticed back. For Canelo, it's another big name, with advantages stacked in his favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat would be rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I think that changing trainers was a career saving move for Garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
Interested to hear how we think Kovalev would do against Pascal at this stage.
I would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Pascal is still pretty durable. I can’t see Kovalev withstanding the pressure like he did in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Yea pretty even match up these days, Kovalev's chin deminished almost as quickly as Jones Jr's.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherPascal is still pretty durable. I can’t see Kovalev withstanding the pressure like he did in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
It will put pressure of Canelo to try and unify the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
How do you work that one out then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt will put pressure of Canelo to try and unify the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
More wishful thinking from my part but if Bivol or Beterbiev could destroy Kov more easily than Canelo did then it may put pressure on him to take on them instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHow do you work that one out then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt will put pressure of Canelo to try and unify the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
That’s the opposite. If one of them just completely destroyed Kovalev, then Canelo wouldn’t fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMore wishful thinking from my part but if Bivol or Beterbiev could destroy Kov more easily than Canelo did then it may put pressure on him to take on them instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHow do you work that one out then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt will put pressure of Canelo to try and unify the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
True, like Callum Smith destroying George Groves. Although it did not put Canelo off fighting Kovalev after he knocked out the young undefeated hot prospect Yarde.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s the opposite. If one of them just completely destroyed Kovalev, then Canelo wouldn’t fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMore wishful thinking from my part but if Bivol or Beterbiev could destroy Kov more easily than Canelo did then it may put pressure on him to take on them instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHow do you work that one out then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt will put pressure of Canelo to try and unify the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Then Beterbiev should be the only name coming out of Canelo's lips.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTrue, like Callum Smith destroying George Groves. Although it did not put Canelo off fighting Kovalev after he knocked out the young undefeated hot prospect Yarde.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s the opposite. If one of them just completely destroyed Kovalev, then Canelo wouldn’t fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMore wishful thinking from my part but if Bivol or Beterbiev could destroy Kov more easily than Canelo did then it may put pressure on him to take on them instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHow do you work that one out then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt will put pressure of Canelo to try and unify the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
No disrespect, but what the fuck are you on about? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterMore wishful thinking from my part but if Bivol or Beterbiev could destroy Kov more easily than Canelo did then it may put pressure on him to take on them instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHow do you work that one out then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt will put pressure of Canelo to try and unify the titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would be more interested in Kov face the other 2 champs and get destroyed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
In essence what I am saying is that I want Canelo to get sparked out and comprehensively beat. This is the best chance that it could happen.
You and I want the same thing, Master. Unfortunately, Canelo being pressured to fight anybody isn't just a pipe dream. It's a pipe dream of colossal proportions. Canelo is (and has been for a while) beyond the reach of pressure to be exerted on mere mortal fighters. Remember... Canelo is Franchise Champion. That's a couple of notches away from Emperor of Boxing. Canelo can jump, skip, duck, cherry-pick, and marinate as he pleases. Only way he fights a peak, young, dangerous, motivated opponent is in someone's wet dreams. There's been a lot of money, time, effort, and shady dealings spent on making Canelo a Hollywood matinee idol, being groomed for canonization. You don't just carelessly pressure the Emperor to fight someone who could derail that gravy train.
canelo will face someone like munguia or ramirez next may
Now see a Manfredo Jr comeback is what I would call rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat would be rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
All retired fighters should stay retired, Ward beating Canelo proves what? He's already considered a modern great and if Canelo wins he gets no respect for beating an old man.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNow see a Manfredo Jr comeback is what I would call rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat would be rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Let the young guys have a chance. Canelo has half-a-dozen prime guys he's 50-50 with.
I'm not disagreeing, original question was would he return for Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAll retired fighters should stay retired, Ward beating Canelo proves what? He's already considered a modern great and if Canelo wins he gets no respect for beating an old man.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNow see a Manfredo Jr comeback is what I would call rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat would be rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Let the young guys have a chance. Canelo has half-a-dozen prime guys he's 50-50 with.
I know and i'm just saying Ward coming back means nothing to me regardless. I'm sure it would be a big financial success but I couldn't care less whether or not a past his pomp Ward beats Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI'm not disagreeing, original question was would he return for Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAll retired fighters should stay retired, Ward beating Canelo proves what? He's already considered a modern great and if Canelo wins he gets no respect for beating an old man.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNow see a Manfredo Jr comeback is what I would call rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat would be rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Let the young guys have a chance. Canelo has half-a-dozen prime guys he's 50-50 with.
I think it would be huge for Ward but not so much for Canelo. It’s a lose-lose fight for Canelo. If he wins, Ward is old and retired and if he loses, it proves that he isn’t the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAll retired fighters should stay retired, Ward beating Canelo proves what? He's already considered a modern great and if Canelo wins he gets no respect for beating an old man.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNow see a Manfredo Jr comeback is what I would call rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat would be rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Let the young guys have a chance. Canelo has half-a-dozen prime guys he's 50-50 with.
If Ward can come back and beat Canelo convincingly, then that just puts another feather in his cap on how great he is.
Fight only sold 10,005 tickets
Being on DAZN in front of NOBODY might be starting to catch up with Clenelo
Lee Wylie on the button again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FBFasEu14
Sergey Kovalev insults fans who thought he could beat Canelo
Kovalev has claimed having consecutive camps in short succession (two for the rescheduled Anthony Yarde fight and one for Canelo) made his KO defeat a foregone conclusion.
He hit back at critical boxing fans on social media: “Given the conditions, it was impossible to win.
“You are ignoramuses since you thought I could win.
“I climbed into this weight with torment & sleepless nights. Because it was a financially interesting offer”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/6...s-eddie-hearn/
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Originally Posted by Master
Some fans (NOT me) "thought Kov could win"........... and THEY'RE the ignoramuses? :rolleyes: :D
Sooooo...... Kov not only had knowledgeable boxing fans (like me) not giving him a snowball's chance in hell to beat Canelo under the given conditions....... but Kovalev HIMSELF knew he would lose?? :p :-X
This shit just keeps on getting better and better.
Kinda clashes a bit with Canelo's "I'm a legend" proclamations...... if not just outright flies in the face of what Canelo's fans were hoping would be the cherry on top of the ice cream. ("Cherry" being the operative word).
So, how was the live gate for that fight again?
:D
Some boxing fans can be a bit naive, but even the blindest screaming fan can only be "had" a dozen few times before they start to come around. :p :cool:
It is no secret that Kovalev had minimum prep time, but you would have hoped he would go out with a bang and see if he could hurt Canelo a little bit. He boxed interestingly and many had him up at the stoppage, so I think he is selling himself short there. All he had to do was hold it together a couple more rounds to be robbed on the cards.
It seems really strange that Kovalev would come out and say that, but I guess he wanted to wait until he got his money so that he could admit it was just a cash grab.
Did it ever occur to you guys that the translation from Russian to English is totally out of context? The same idiot boxing sites/youtubers spreading all the "dive" nonsense are providing you this "truth."
Come on boys.
It's just a fighter saying he wasn't at his best, for various reasons, but couldn't refuse the payday. Standard excuses.
"Russian to English translation out of context".... ;D That's a good one. ;) ;)
I've never believed or claimed Kov took a dive... that's not even debatable IMO. However, just as laughable/ludicrous is the notion that Kov had his old Krusher mindset before or during the fight. Granted, that notion would help Canelo's quest at (cough) "legend" status... but alas that wasn't even a shell of the Kovalev we had grown accostumed to seeing. Knowledgeable fans will see through the charade for what it was...... fanboys will see the same old Krusher of the past, destroyed by the Mexican "legend".
Movie rights are being negotiated as we speak.
Canelo Alvarez has blunt assessment of Jorge Masvidal callout: It's about 'money ... and nothing else'
The 2017 Floyd Mayweather-Conor McGregor boxing match was a farce.
It was a lucrative farce that drew 4.3 million pay-per-view buys and more than $600 million in revenue, the second-highest pay-per-view draw in fight history.
But it was a farce nonetheless. People who bought the fight were either duped into believing it was a legitimate matchup or knew that McGregor stood no chance in a boxing ring against Mayweather and tuned in for the spectacle regardless.
So why would an MMA fighter subject himself to a potential beating in a fight he can’t win? Well, the money of course.
It’s not a reality that’s often publicly acknowledged in the fight game. But with MMA fighter Jorge Masvidal of BMF-belt fame expressing interest in taking on Canelo Alvarez in the ring, the four-weight boxing champion had a blunt assessment of Masvidal’s callout.
https://s.yimg.com/it/api/res/1.2/c8...f-f16fc1c5a0d9
It’s a money grab. And he’s not interested.
The Mexican boxing champion didn’t say those exact words. But that was the gist of his interview with Little Giant Boxing conducted in his native Spanish.
“I say this with all respect. If I go into his sport, I have nothing to do there,” Alvarez said, per an MMA Junkie translation. “And I think the same about boxing. If (MMA fighters) come into boxing, they have nothing to do here.
“But looking at it from a business standpoint, it is attractive, but it’s not a challenge for me, so it’s not my priority.”
Notice Alvarez didn’t slam the door shut on the idea, noting that “it’s not my priority.” But he had a blunt assessment of the growing callouts from MMA fighters to get in the ring.
“Because of money – because of the business and nothing else,” Alvarez said. “That’s the reality, because what else? They would’ve started boxing from the beginning if they really liked boxing.”
Masvidal, a 35-year-old who spent years in the fight game before gaining national attention, has reached a point in his career where his name is a draw.
It makes sense that he’d want to cash in on a big payday while he can.
But for now, Alvarez doesn’t sound interested. And he’s not afraid to call out Masvidal’s challenge for what it is.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/can...025828499.html
Little reminder what kind of trash Kovalev is(keep in mind this is not his only sexual assault accusation) and read the details of how badly he allegedly hurt this woman. Keeping in mind the injuries absolutely happened, the only thing to be decided is if she broke all these bones herself or if he did it.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...case-postponed
It’s insane that this trial has been postponed for so long. This is a very serious matter. The judicial system is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson