Canelo is the best p4p fighter today. What he is doing going up the weights and beating world champions is insane.
The rest can not prove themselves the best at their own weight like Crawford/Spence. He is embarrassing them.
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Canelo is the best p4p fighter today. What he is doing going up the weights and beating world champions is insane.
The rest can not prove themselves the best at their own weight like Crawford/Spence. He is embarrassing them.
Saunders did say he would put his life on the line in the ring. These things can come back and bite you regardless.
Nice extract from Post fight. An exchange between Canelo and another pro fighter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4OJnyBcFO8
Billy Joe Saunders' 'quit' comments come back to haunt him after Canelo Alvarez defeat
Billy Joe Saunders did not emerge for the ninth round of his world super-middleweight unification bout against Canelo Alvarez after suffering an eye injury
Billy Joe Saunders quit on his stool after the eighth round of his gruelling world super-middleweight title bout against Canelo Alvarez.
The Brit had suffered a devastating eye injury and was pulled out by his corner with his illustrious opponent ahead on all three of the judges' scorecards.
Saunders had caused Canelo problems but ultimately couldn't do enough to retain his WBO title, which the Mexican added to his WBA and WBC straps.
Late last year, Saunders was critical of heavyweight Daniel Dubois after he took a knee to concede defeat to domestic rival Joe Joyce.
The 31-year-old said: “Fighters get in that ring and we know what’s on the line.
“Every fighter needs to understand and the fans need to understand that. In the past, we’ve seen a lot of tragedies in boxing, deaths in the ring.
“Before I go on one knee I’d like to go out on my back with my pulse stopped.
“Everyone has their own thought process in the ring and what went on in the ring I don’t know. He obviously felt he could not continue.
“You look at the greats, the eyes, the face, we get through that. That’s the path in life we choose for a living. We punch people in the face and get punched in the face.
“If my two eye sockets were broken, my jaw was broken, my teeth were out, my nose was smashed, my brain was beaten, I was not stopping until I was knocked out or worse.
“I don’t agree with a man taking the knee and letting the ref count him out.”
After his defeat by Canelo, Saunders was taken to hospital with a suspected fractured orbital bone. His trainer mark Tibbs claimed the 31-year-old could not see.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxin...ments-24069985
As much as many wont want to see him get another pay day there's still quite a lot of fights out there for Saunders if he was to carry on...
Rematch vs Eubank Jr with their bad blood could be interesting....Jr is possibly a more refined boxer since their first.
Callum Smith for the bragging rights of best in Britain at SMW.
He could probably have a go at Golovkin, get on his bike and nick a points win
An ex champ to feed to Benevidez, Munguia or Charlo?
This loss doesn't make him irrelevant in and around the middle division...and we all know he has no shame, so won't go into hiding fully....of course his attitude and dedication to the sport might change some. Time will tell.
Tyson Fury after he said Billy Joe Saunders was going to stop Canelo
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In all seriousness in case anybody is wondering what Canelo Alvarez just did to Billy Joe Saunders Face
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It was obvious from the bruising, lack of swelling and reaction that he had broken his orbital or cheek. Boxing is a sport, not a bar fight and yes we all know what Billy said about Dubois quitting but it would have been outrageously irresponsible to allow a boxer to risk blindness by continuing in those circumstances - arguably criminal.
But was a good fight. Saunders did perform well in spots, credit to him. I had it level at the time of the stoppage. When Canelo did decide to turn up the tempo in round 8, you could really see Saunders retreating. Honestly I think fill Canelo scorecards before the fight because the judges had him 3 rounds up.
I also found it funny that the USA commentator called BJ Saunders "A Brit with swag" Obviously doesn't realize that in England "Swag" means stolen property. Then again maybe he does know!
I had it even at the time of the stoppage.
For once, Canelo couldn’t effectively counterpunch his opponent. Saunders was very cute in there and Alvarez had to turn into the come forward aggressor very early on. Credit to his skill set that he could do that so well.
Funnily enough, I thought Canelo had massively slowed down by the seventh and that an upset might be on the cards.
The difference in power was tremendous, though. Saunders looked like he was tapping away compared to Alvarez. Suspicious of that really!
Devastating finishing punch, Canelo was looking for that shot all night and was calm enough to persevere with it. Smashed the shit out of Saunders’ eye (His whole face looked like it changed shape).
If it is an eye socket, he did well to finish the round as the pain would have been agonising.
Good win for Alvarez who, despite the doping suspicions, looks more and more like a wholly complete fighter with every outing.
My scoring platform got a good turnout last night with over 30 completed scorecards.
This was the average scorecard with round scores, winning margin % and the most selected reason why the round was won.
https://i.imgur.com/MUjqRc9.png?1
For further round by round breakdown there's more charts and data here:
https://fight-score.com/analysis/sau...round-by-round
For example round 1 scoring is broken down like this.....
https://i.imgur.com/wv2XAcy.png?1
https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-a...-stats--157512
Punch stats for anyone who cares about that sort of thing.
No one knew at the time his eye socket was fractured.
BJS made no attempt to be a “Spartan” and stand up for round 9.
His trainer made the right decision to stop the fight and BJS was content with it.
He’s a multi millionaire and can happily retire on a loss that he cares so much about.
BJS was winning the fight 4-3 in my eyes but Canelo can change the tempo with one punch.
Canelo is the same, he’s just fighting lesser fighters lately. Still, even with this euro tour vacation in the Americas he’s got a hell of a resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Quick point of contention, there is a difference between winning a fight and winning rounds. BJS could be said to have been winning rounds. You could possibly even have him up somehow. But he most certainly was never winning the fight.
I thought it was PED but it may be the loaded gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonCanelo is the same, he’s just fighting lesser fighters lately. Still, even with this euro tour vacation in the Americas he’s got a hell of a resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
i used to hear stories about rocky marciano breaking guys arms with punches, but i always figured they were just that; a story. until canelo alvarez did that to callum smith. i'd like to ask you guys i figured maybe one of you might know: have you ever seen a fighter get his skull completely caved in like that by a punch before?
The bruising around Callum’s arm were unusual and he was visibly shaken with the damage during the fight with Canelo. Rocky would pound the arms until the opponent could not hold them up any longer which was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
Broken sockets can happen in a fight but all this damage stopping Kov at light heavy, bruising up Smith arm and breaking Saunders eye socket from a former light middleweight champion is highly suspicious.
a couple of months ago i was out on my bike and i was riding on a busyish road on the curbside, inside of a row of cars and a car pulled round into a side street at speed right in front of me
i put on my breaks and managed to stop just in time but the side of his car did clipped my front wheel
with me stopping suddenly and the impact i went over my handlebars, my head was probably about 8 foot in the air and i landed on my right forearm and then my face hit the tarmac
the most of the impact was on my cheek
I lost the feeling at the top of my mouth and couldnt feel my teeth on the right hand side for at least a couple of days and blood was trickling into my mouth for about the same period
fortunately for him he didnt notice and drove off
anyway the point of the story is, if an 8 foot face plant into tarmac doesnt break my cheek Canelo must punch with some power
ive boxed and the force of that was many times harder than any punch ive taken
you're just in awe of a legendQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe bruising around Callum’s arm were unusual and he was visibly shaken with the damage during the fight with Canelo. Rocky would pound the arms until the opponent could not hold them up any longer which was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
Broken sockets can happen in a fight but all this damage stopping Kov at light heavy, bruising up Smith arm and breaking Saunders eye socket from a former light middleweight champion is highly suspicious.
No, but you obviously are if you think he is already a legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou're just in awe of a legendQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe bruising around Callum’s arm were unusual and he was visibly shaken with the damage during the fight with Canelo. Rocky would pound the arms until the opponent could not hold them up any longer which was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
Broken sockets can happen in a fight but all this damage stopping Kov at light heavy, bruising up Smith arm and breaking Saunders eye socket from a former light middleweight champion is highly suspicious.
he's getting thereQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo, but you obviously are if you think he is already a legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou're just in awe of a legendQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe bruising around Callum’s arm were unusual and he was visibly shaken with the damage during the fight with Canelo. Rocky would pound the arms until the opponent could not hold them up any longer which was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
Broken sockets can happen in a fight but all this damage stopping Kov at light heavy, bruising up Smith arm and breaking Saunders eye socket from a former light middleweight champion is highly suspicious.
Stop calling him a legend then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe's getting thereQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo, but you obviously are if you think he is already a legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou're just in awe of a legendQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe bruising around Callum’s arm were unusual and he was visibly shaken with the damage during the fight with Canelo. Rocky would pound the arms until the opponent could not hold them up any longer which was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
Broken sockets can happen in a fight but all this damage stopping Kov at light heavy, bruising up Smith arm and breaking Saunders eye socket from a former light middleweight champion is highly suspicious.
the legend continues to growQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterStop calling him a legend then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe's getting thereQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo, but you obviously are if you think he is already a legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou're just in awe of a legendQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe bruising around Callum’s arm were unusual and he was visibly shaken with the damage during the fight with Canelo. Rocky would pound the arms until the opponent could not hold them up any longer which was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
Broken sockets can happen in a fight but all this damage stopping Kov at light heavy, bruising up Smith arm and breaking Saunders eye socket from a former light middleweight champion is highly suspicious.
Canelo Alvarez and Billy Joe Saunders' final drug test results announced
Canelo Alvarez and Billy Joe Saunders both completed their drug testing without any adverse results.
The super-middleweight rivals clashed earlier this month with Brit Saunders pulled out by his corner after the eighth round.
He was later taken to hospital where a scan determined he had fractured his eye socket in three places.
Alvarez now holds three belts at 168lb and plans to fight the final remaining champion Caleb Plant in September in an attempt to become the undisputed champion.
And the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) confirmed last night that both Alvarez and Saunders had passed each of their drug tests.
"Congratulations to Canelo Alvarez and Billy Joe Saunders for successfully completing Vada testing through their May 2021 bout," read the organisation's tweet.
Both Alvarez and Saunders have produced adverse findings in the past with the Mexican testing positive for the banned substance clenbuterol in 2018 before his rematch with Gennady Golovkin.
Alvarez was suspended for six months but blamed the result on eating contaminated meat in his homeland. He faced Golovkin following his ban and outpointed his great rival.
Later that same year, Saunders tested positive for the banned substance oxilofrine ahead of his world title clash with Demetrius Andrade.
The substance is not banned out of competition by the UK authorities but the Massachusetts commission denied Saunders a licence and he later relinquished his world title.
Saunders has barely spoken publicly since he was stopped by Canelo for his first career defeat, other than to explain how the fight ended.
"Thanks everyone for messaging," he wrote on his Facebook page. "Broken eye socket and cheek bone in three places operation yesterday - all went well.
"You win some and lose some, didn’t feel out my league but got caught with a good shot and couldn’t see and Ben got the corner to pull it.
"Thank you all who watched I’ll be back god bless you all."
Saunders was referring to Ben Davison, his former trainer who claimed it was he who spoke to the former champion after the eighth round.
That forced Saunders' current coach Mark Tibbs to speak up and criticise Davison for interfering between rounds.
Few expect Saunders to return from his injuries having been inactive throughout his career.
And having lost his world titles, there appears to be few options left for the Brit. A rematch with Chris Eubank Jr tops the list but negotiations with the son-of-a-legend have been notoriously difficult.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...rtan-ntp-feeds
BETER PREPARE Canelo Alvarez wants super-fight with light-heavyweight Artur Beterbiev, boxing’s only champ with 100% KO ratio
CANELO ALVAREZ wants a super-fight with light-heavyweight Artur Beterbiev - boxing's only champion with a 100 per cent knockout ratio.
The Mexican superstar is in talks for an undisputed super-middleweight title decider with American Caleb Plant.
If successful, he would have cleaned out the 168lb division and the four belts that come with it.
Promoter Eddie Hearn revealed Canelo could then eye a move back to light-heavyweight, where he won the WBO belt in 2019.
And he will target the most feared puncher of them all, Russian Beterbiev, 36, who has 16 straight KOs, or Dmitry Bivol, 30, who has the WBA crown.
Hearn told Little Giant Boxing: “Canelo Alvarez is the absolute pound-for-pound king.
"He has the right to fight whoever he wants. But, the good news is, he is fighting champion after champion after champion.
“So you don’t have to worry about Saul, he’ll fight anyone.
"Maybe after this he will go to light heavyweight and he may fight Beterbiev and he might fight Bivol. He doesn’t care."
Canelo, 30, moved up to the 175lb, light-heavy mark two years ago when he knocked out Sergey Kovalev, 38, in round 11.
But he later vacated the title to move back down to super-middleweight, where he has since won the WBA, WBC and WBO belts.
Only 29-year-old Plant's IBF strap is missing in Canelo's quest to become undisputed king.
The pair are now in talks to fight in September in Las Vegas.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/15399...xing-ko-ratio/
If Alvarez fights Beterbiev next his moronic haters will say he ducked PlantQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by Rotten AppleIf Alvarez fights Beterbiev next his moronic haters will say he ducked PlantQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyone who believes Canelo will actually fight Beterbiev under equal conditions... I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell ya. ;)
What unfair conditions were Saunders and Smith forced to fight under?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten AppleIf Alvarez fights Beterbiev next his moronic haters will say he ducked PlantQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyone who believes Canelo will actually fight Beterbiev under equal conditions... I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell ya. ;)
Rotton Apple, can you explain the power and damage caused by Canelo recently against these bigger opponents?
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Originally Posted by Rotten AppleWhat unfair conditions were Saunders and Smith forced to fight under?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten AppleIf Alvarez fights Beterbiev next his moronic haters will say he ducked PlantQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyone who believes Canelo will actually fight Beterbiev under equal conditions... I've got some beachfront property in Nebraska I'd like to sell ya. ;)
I didn't say "fair". I said "equal". Learn to read.
Next... Smith? None. Smith totally underwhelmed. Wasn't so much that Canelo was that good... but that Smith performed so "shit-ily".
Saunders? See @Master 's question. A former light welter... who caves in Saunders' face with one punch. At super middleweight! Hell... if you don't think that's strange then we got nothing more to talk about.
Except the fact that the Red-Headed Diva gets to pick his own custom-made gloves.
Why limit your question to Smith and Saunders, however? :rolleyes:
Afraid to delve into the career full of catchweights, bought judges, "homecourt advantage", cherry picking, marinating, and every advantage known to man, afforded by the WBC (aka... Mexican Mafia)??
Now go back and reread my answer on Smith. Got it? I said "no unfair conditions", although I never said "fair", only "equal."
IF and when Canelo ever faces Beterbiev at his peak... before his expiration date... without moronic catchweights... maybe even in a "neutral" place like MSG... and without judges in his pocket... he'll get his just due.
Meanwhile... the offer for the Nebraska beachfront property is still open.
Interested?
what are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Seems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Canelo Alvarez’s coach opens door to fighting Errol Spence Jr, Jermall Charlo and David Benavidez after Caleb Plant
CANELO ALVAREZ'S coach has opened the door to fighting Errol Spence Jr, Jermall Charlo and David Benavidez after Caleb Plant.
The Mexican superstar is in talks for a September super-middleweight undisputed title decider with American Caleb Plant.
Plant, 28, holds the IBF strap missing from Canelo's unified collection, having recently added the WBO belt after beating Billy Joe Saunders, 31.
Promoter Eddie Hearn revealed the four-division champion could soon move back up to light-heavyweight to face Artur Beterbiev, 36.
But Canelo's trainer Eddy Reynoso welcomed into the mix welterweight star Spence, middleweight champ Charlo or super-middle contender Benavidez.
Reynoso told Little Giant Boxing: “We're ready. Let's negotiate.
"We’re ready to fight Charlo, with whoever. I think it would be a great and interesting fight
“More than anything is to begin negotiations with Plant's people, with his promoter and come to an agreement.
“An important fight and then see what's next. I like the Charlo fight, Spence if he moves up, Benavidez also.”
Unbeaten Spence, 30, has talked up fighting Canelo before, but would need to jump THREE divisions from welterweight.
Benavidez, 24, formerly held the WBC title Alvarez now holds but lost it in 2020 for missing weight.
He has recently called to face middleweight Charlo, 31, with the winner getting a shot at Canelo.
But the American, twin brother to Jermell, is ready to challenge boxing's pound-for-pound No1 now, having just beaten Juan Macias Montiel, 27.
Reynoso said: “It was a very good fight.
“I have known Montiel since he started his career and I've always thought he was a great fighter.
"He needed a little more to win the fight. But I think he's at the level where he can become a world champion.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/15470...vid-benavidez/
unnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
From a former light middleweight going up the weights and causing that much damage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICunnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
you say former light middleweight. so does that mean you consider canelo a full fledged super middleweight now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrom a former light middleweight going up the weights and causing that much damage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICunnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Canelo is not going down to light middleweight, so he is a supermiddleweight. I stated former because he was never that devastating a puncher at his earlier weight. The damage he is doing now against the bigger opponents is unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou say former light middleweight. so does that mean you consider canelo a full fledged super middleweight now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrom a former light middleweight going up the weights and causing that much damage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICunnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
so would it be safe to say you feel canelo has grown into a super middleweight? did you consider callum & billy joe supper middleweights when canelo fought them?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo is not going down to light middleweight, so he is a supermiddleweight. I stated former because he was never that devastating a puncher at his earlier weight. The damage he is doing now against the bigger opponents is unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou say former light middleweight. so does that mean you consider canelo a full fledged super middleweight now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrom a former light middleweight going up the weights and causing that much damage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICunnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Callum was always a big super middleweight that waited too long just for the final pay day. BJS is probably a better middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso would it be safe to say you feel canelo has grown into a super middleweight? did you consider callum & billy joe supper middleweights when canelo fought them?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo is not going down to light middleweight, so he is a supermiddleweight. I stated former because he was never that devastating a puncher at his earlier weight. The damage he is doing now against the bigger opponents is unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou say former light middleweight. so does that mean you consider canelo a full fledged super middleweight now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrom a former light middleweight going up the weights and causing that much damage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICunnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyway back to the power. How is he doing it?
so has canelo developed & grown into a super middle weight in your opinion? was callum a super middle weight when canelo fought him? did you consider billy joe a middle weight when canelo fought him by that statement? as to power there could be a few possibilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCallum was always a big super middleweight that waited too long just for the final pay day. BJS is probably a better middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso would it be safe to say you feel canelo has grown into a super middleweight? did you consider callum & billy joe supper middleweights when canelo fought them?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo is not going down to light middleweight, so he is a supermiddleweight. I stated former because he was never that devastating a puncher at his earlier weight. The damage he is doing now against the bigger opponents is unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou say former light middleweight. so does that mean you consider canelo a full fledged super middleweight now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrom a former light middleweight going up the weights and causing that much damage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICunnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyway back to the power. How is he doing it?
Mate, you need to answer a few questions before asking any. #justsayingQuote:
Originally Posted by TICso has canelo developed & grown into a super middle weight in your opinion? was callum a super middle weight when canelo fought him? did you consider billy joe a middle weight when canelo fought him by that statement? as to power there could be a few possibilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCallum was always a big super middleweight that waited too long just for the final pay day. BJS is probably a better middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso would it be safe to say you feel canelo has grown into a super middleweight? did you consider callum & billy joe supper middleweights when canelo fought them?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo is not going down to light middleweight, so he is a supermiddleweight. I stated former because he was never that devastating a puncher at his earlier weight. The damage he is doing now against the bigger opponents is unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou say former light middleweight. so does that mean you consider canelo a full fledged super middleweight now?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrom a former light middleweight going up the weights and causing that much damage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICunnatural that injuries can occur in a combat sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeems unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat are you suggesting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyway back to the power. How is he doing it?
I don't think there's much mystery around alvarez at all, he seems to use legal harder gloves and he's got pretty good technique on his punches, he's clearly bulked up a fair bit(and failed a drug test for clenbuterol )... He's just a bigger guy these days that punches well.