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very fair point . and it just goes to show that in this instance , the calls for "fix" and "Robbery" aren't realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I feel bad for Loma, and he showed after the fight what a man he is and how gutted he was ! Because he genuinely believes he won the fight and there is nothing wrong with that.
I think when the rounds are close, people tend to start looking at the overall fight to see which fighter got the better of the other and who was probably to fold if the fight went 15.
Here's an interesting tidbit that broke yesterday from Malignaggi and a few other sources. Haney resigned with Top Rank 2 days before the fight. This was to be his last fight on his previous contract with top rank. Shades of Pacquiao/Bradley 1 coming to mind. :(
How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I didn't have you originally on this scorecard... but added you late.
Interesting to see how some of us scored the fight. :cool:
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Interesting tidbits from the Saddo scoring:
1. Loma would've won a SD: Master, Spicoli, TitoFan for Loma..... TIC, Primo for Haney
2. There were 3 unanimous rounds:
- 3rd (for Loma)
- 11th (for Loma)
- 12th (for Haney)
3. There were four 4-1 rounds:
- 1st (Primo for Haney, rest for Loma)
- 2nd (Spicoli for Loma, rest for Haney)
- 9th (Master for Loma, rest for Haney)
- 10th (Master for Haney, rest for Loma)
4. Halfway through the fight:
- Master, Spicoli had Loma ahead
- TIC, Primo had Haney ahead
- TitoFan had fight even
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Originally Posted by MasterHow so?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Wait let me rescind that. It may be false. I'm getting contradicting info now. or it could be true but they'll announce it was signed after the fight -- but the reference to Pac/bradley was in regards to the sequence of events that surrounded Pacquiaos contracts with top rank. Every time he thought about breaking free (with free agency pending) from Top Rank, something coincidentally happened. In ring results seem to be affected by out of ring business when it comes to top rank. Not saying it can't happen without, but if it was the case, it wouldn't shock me in the least. It would actually appear to fit right in. The terms of Lomas current contract haven't been revealed. Draw from it what you will.
"Issues relating to fight contracts are no longer new for Pacquiao. In 2006, Pacquiao ignited a legal brawl between Golden Boy and Top Rank after he signed with both companies. Pacquiao upheld the contract he signed with Top Rank in 2006 which was good for four years.
Thereafter, Pacquiao ironed out another deal with Top Rank that was supposed to keep him with the company until December 2013. But sometime in 2012,(Pacquiao /Bradley 1 -June 9 2012- Pac was going to become a promotional free agent- then loses a controversial split decision-- needs to re up with top rank in order to get the rematch-- On the surface, Arum was demanding an investigation into the scorecards... behind the scene, everyone involved knew what happened and pac does a 180 and signs with top rank) the said contract was extended for another year, or until December 2014, with Pacquiao reportedly receiving a signing bonus worth $1 million.
In April 2014, shortly after he defeated Tim Bradley in their rematch, Pacquiao inked a fresh two-year deal with Top Rank, thus extending their partnership until December 2016. This contract is now the subject of heated debate between Pacquiao and Top Rank." Then comes the Jeff Horn fight in July of 2017 and afterwards Pacquiao says he feels like he was set up.
The articles:
https://www.spin.ph/boxing/here-why-...ry-to-top-rank
https://www.ringtv.com/504126-manny-pacquiao-feels-he-was-set-up-in-jeff-horn-fight/
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/05...achenko-fight/
Firstly, awesome point by point score Primo and final tally work up Tito. Quality. Talk about fall out and aftermath eh ;D. And that's a good thing, churns the collective interest going forward and gets fans back to actually talking about what happened/will happen in big fights and NOT why big fights are not happening and who's to blame :-X. It's been a few days, finally found full fight hope to rewatch tonight. Reading back thru the thread I stated every round except for the 5th so in fairness need to check that first. I do have to say a lot was rightly made of Haney body work, it was there. But I'm left with first thought being 'to what affect'. Loma actually upped the pace and grew stronger later rounds. Points scored though. This may be a fun one to do an old school 'slow mo' rewatch. Slow mo can be revealing. Also a fight that reflects back to benefit of scoring rounds minute by minute resulting in less 'even/either way' rounds.
spicoli has it right. it was a quality fight, the scores shouldn't overshadow that
Great work and analysts Tito, really interesting stuff. I think this shows that although this was a relatively difficult to score , it can’t really be called a fix or a robbery .
Not there racism as such. It was there white ass kissin. Supporting the white fighter to make their white paymasters comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
That wasn’t a predominately black crowd. ThatQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
was a mainly white crowd. All sports crowds in the USA are majority white
Yes. Same with Tank and Garcia. Pretty much vast majority of the crowd were supporting the white fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
I do not think it was a robbery, but what frustrates me with Loma is he admires his work too much. I felt with giving a little more he could have beaten Haney and Teofimo.
Vasyl Lomachenko will appeal his controversial points decision defeat to Devin Haney and is demanding a rematch for all four of the American's lightweight titles. Former three-division world titleholder Lomachenko took on undisputed lightweight champion Haney at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Saturday night.
The 35-year-old challenger appeared to be in with a shot of walking away from the desert with the belts after a close fight went the full distance, but he was left bitterly disappointed when the judges unanimously scored the fight in Haney's favour.
But now Lomachenko's camp has decided to take matters further, such is their frustration at the result.
talkSPORT boxing editor, Michael Benson, Tweeted: "Vasyl Lomachenko's manager Egis Klimas has now sent letters to the WBA, WBC, IBF & WBO insisting that they will appeal the Devin Haney defeat and asking that they are made mandatory for all four of Haney's lightweight world titles to try and force a rematch."
Boxing fans may be enthused by the idea of Haney and Lomachenko going head-to-head in the ring once more, after such a close contest, but that is not how the 24-year-old multiple belt-holder sees it.
Haney was quick to pour cold water on his defeated opponent's claims and also revealed that he fined $400,000 dollars for pushing the Ukrainian at the weigh-in.
Haney Tweeted: "This guy is a f*****g sore loser. Get this privilege (sic) sore loser out of boxing he makes excuses as he goes! Take your lost (sic) like a man and stop crying.. it was set up for you to win for the 3rd time in your career & you failed! Tell the commission give me my 400k back for that push!"
Lomachenko's intended appeal is a departure from the more relaxed approach he appeared to take when addressing fans via social media on Tuesday.
Taking to Instagram, he said: "Hi everyone, I've received a lot of messages from fans around the world. It's very, very nice and I'm very happy to read your very, very warm words.
"I just wanted to say a big thank you for your support, [everybody] who came to Saturday night and saw what happened that night. But it is what it is. It's life, life is not cancelled. God bless all the people around the world."
Although his camp said that they would be lodging an appeal at the post-fight press conference on Saturday, Lomachenko had admitted to deliberately taking the final round off - something that may have swung the points decision in Haney's favour.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...3ddb8de4&ei=51
I've seen rematches ordered for a lot less competitive fights than that one. Lomachenko nor the fans are out of line wanting a rematch. Haney's father's claims about the fight being lopsided are ridiculous. Everyone knows it was a competitive fight. I'm not on the "robbery" train... but I do feel the fight could've just as easily gone Loma's way. I had it 7-5 Lomachenko. Haney gave Kambosos a rematch and that was less competitive. Could it be because Haney was sure of another victory over Kambosos, but has his doubts regarding Loma? Haney probably thought he could walk through Loma, and found out differently. Now he cries "sore loser" at Lomachenko, and he and his camp are shouting nonsense at the notion that it was a close fight.
Rarely have I seen an undefeated, undisputed champion with so many question marks around him.
In fairness ya can't talk about giving a round away and such and then file a protest over the decision. I mean you can but come on. His camp needs to think things thru. And Haney flipping the switch yesterday with tantrum reactions just makes him look a lesser man. A unified champ off career win appealing to the lowest common denominator slagging Loma for his post fight breakdown etc. Just sounds desperate. I get what he's doing, he wants to use the backlash and channel some social media rage to boost himself up. See some people talk about him channeling Mayweather anti fans as Floyd had controversy in a couple fights. But Mayweather ran his rematches right back rather than do all the screaming and then walk away.
I don’t say he’s right to react like that to Loma , but in all fairness he probably thinks all of this is taking away his moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's weird how it works lately in the social media era. Only way I knew of any protest was when Haney started bringing himself down railing about it. Might be dating myself ;D but turning 'heel' and not so humble seems to be looked at as a positive now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t say he’s right to react like that to Loma , but in all fairness he probably thinks all of this is taking away his moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by SpicoliIt's weird how it works lately in the social media era. Only way I knew of any protest was when Haney started bringing himself down railing about it. Might be dating myself ;D but turning 'heel' and not so humble seems to be looked at as a positive now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don’t say he’s right to react like that to Loma , but in all fairness he probably thinks all of this is taking away his moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Then I guess we're both dated.
Devin Haney has lost a part of his recent fight earnings as punishment for a violent pre-fight shove.
At a monthly Nevada Athletic Commission meeting Tuesday in Las Vegas, Haney was fined $25,000, plus $326 in legal fees, for touching opponent Vasiliy Lomachenko during a May 19 weigh-ins faceoff one day before their bout.
“At the ceremonial weigh-ins before the bout, he engaged in conduct that is due to reflect discredit to unarmed combat, making unauthorized physical contact with his opponent and by disobeying the specific instructions from a representative of the commission to not do so,” deputy attorney general Joel Bekker said. “Such conduct reflects discredit to unarmed combat and constitutes foul or unsportsmanlike conduct detrimental to, and in connection with, the contest.”
The commission withheld $400,000 of Haney’s purse following the fight as it considered what his punishment should be. The remaining $375,000 will be paid to the boxer through the promotion “at the earliest opportunity,” Bekker said.
Haney, 24, retained the WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, and The Ring lightweight titles vs. Lomachenko when he won a 12-round unanimous decision at MGM Grand Garden Arena. The win moved his record to 30-0 as a pro.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/mma-...3c31797b&ei=24