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“Straight Back” . Yeah depends how you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
i think they are one & one. you are assuming i am bragging but i am just stating facts. canelo is straight back after a loss against a unified champion. we must have very different thoughts on a tune upQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICno tune ups for canelo, straight back in after a loss against a unified championQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
As much as I can't stand Canelo and am ecstatic about his getting wiped out by Bivol..... I'd have to say Canelo's lucky to be getting in the ring with GGG for a 3rd time.
Think about it.
GGG was robbed in their first fight. In the 2nd, he gave Canelo too much respect, and let the judges do their thing.
Now he's 40, AND.... he's going up to 168 FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER to challenge a Canelo more in his prime, and bigger.
Does nobody else see this?
I don't see anything else but a Canelo KO victory in the mid-rounds.
Problem is it won't increase his legacy in my mind.
GGG's only hope is to go for the knockout, because he'll never get a decision. See how the judges saw the Canelo-Bivol fight. They ALMOST robbed Bivol.
So by going for the KO, Golovkin will probably get knocked out himself.
After that, I hope Canelo DOES get his rematch at 175. This time Bivol will finish him off.
One that he's gotten the benefit of the doubt against TWICE before.
A 40-year old has-been bloating up to 168 for the first time ever... and you're bragging about that.
Ok. ;)
IMO... Golovkin has less chance than a tuneup.
Straight back to me means , if you have a loss, you go “Straight back” in and avenge that loss.
I mean, why have a rematch clause If you’re not going to invoke it?
Maybe you think the result isn’t gonna change and your “legacy” would be damaged beyond repair with another loss ?
i didn't just say straight back did i? i said no tune ups for canelo, straight back in after a loss against a unified champion. the plan i heard was always dmitry then gggQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera“Straight Back” . Yeah depends how you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi think they are one & one. you are assuming i am bragging but i am just stating facts. canelo is straight back after a loss against a unified champion. we must have very different thoughts on a tune upQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICno tune ups for canelo, straight back in after a loss against a unified championQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
As much as I can't stand Canelo and am ecstatic about his getting wiped out by Bivol..... I'd have to say Canelo's lucky to be getting in the ring with GGG for a 3rd time.
Think about it.
GGG was robbed in their first fight. In the 2nd, he gave Canelo too much respect, and let the judges do their thing.
Now he's 40, AND.... he's going up to 168 FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER to challenge a Canelo more in his prime, and bigger.
Does nobody else see this?
I don't see anything else but a Canelo KO victory in the mid-rounds.
Problem is it won't increase his legacy in my mind.
GGG's only hope is to go for the knockout, because he'll never get a decision. See how the judges saw the Canelo-Bivol fight. They ALMOST robbed Bivol.
So by going for the KO, Golovkin will probably get knocked out himself.
After that, I hope Canelo DOES get his rematch at 175. This time Bivol will finish him off.
One that he's gotten the benefit of the doubt against TWICE before.
A 40-year old has-been bloating up to 168 for the first time ever... and you're bragging about that.
Ok. ;)
IMO... Golovkin has less chance than a tuneup.
Straight back to me means , if you have a loss, you go “Straight back” in and avenge that loss.
I mean, why have a rematch clause If you’re not going to invoke it?
Maybe you think the result isn’t gonna change and your “legacy” would be damaged beyond repair with another loss ?
why do you consider losing a boxing match embarrassing? it's not like canelo quit or shat his pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
- He claims he won the first 5 rounds of the fight (delusional)
- He said he wasn't going to make excuses... then proceeded to make a ton of them
- He didn't exercise the rematch clause right away. He wants the easy layup with 40-year old, bloated GGG first.
Sounds like an embarrassed fighter to me. :D
canelo can say what he wants, if you disagree with him you'll have to take it up with him. as far as i am aware the plan was always dmitry first & then ggg, do you have information that goes against this? obviously if ggg lost to ryota the plan might have changedQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Just know that I know Ginger's going to knock GGG out this time. No big deal... no great feat... no extra points for knocking out a bloated 40-year old fighter moving up to 168 for the first time in his career.
Not in Vegas... where GGG knows his only path forward is looking for the KO, which will make him more vulnerable to getting KO'ed himself.
When it happens, it'll be ho-hum... and what does Canelo do now?
I'm sure that thorn of the beating he took from Bivol will be itching at his side.
I just hope Bivol doesn't get stupid and accept catchweight and rehydration clauses, which I wouldn't bet my house Canelo wouldn't resort back to.
i am picking a canelo knockout also but although ggg has slipped a bit i think he is still a very dangerous opponent. i'm interested to see how ggg looks at one sixty eight. canelo is also coming down a weight. outside of canelo i'd pick ggg over anyone else at one sixty eight if he were fighting them next. canelo already fought dmitry at one seventy five & i don't think there were any catchweights & rehydration clauses for that fight, so i won't worry about that stuff until it actually becomes realityQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah funny ain’t it? Normally a loss can change plans can’t it? Not for Canelo though . How does he airbrush the Bivol defeat from his record.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo can say what he wants, if you disagree with him you'll have to take it up with him. as far as i am aware the plan was always dmitry first & then ggg, do you have information that goes against this? obviously if ggg lost to ryota the plan might have changedQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You lose a fight, you have a rematch clause, what happens next?
depends on the contract i guess. as far as i'm aware the plan was for a two fight deal, dmitry & then ggg. i can only assume it wasn't an immediate rematch clause, as the plan i was aware of was dmitry then ggg. if that was the case should ggg miss out on what i can only assume was agreed to? do you have any solid information that this was not the case in the contracts? air brushing has nothing to do with me. you lose a fight, you have a rematch clause, what happens next is what was agreed to in the contracts i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah funny ain’t it? Normally a loss can change plans can’t it? Not for Canelo though . How does he airbrush the Bivol defeat from his record.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo can say what he wants, if you disagree with him you'll have to take it up with him. as far as i am aware the plan was always dmitry first & then ggg, do you have information that goes against this? obviously if ggg lost to ryota the plan might have changedQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You lose a fight, you have a rematch clause, what happens next?
Calm down pal, I know it doesn’t “have anything to do with you”, I know you’re not Canelo’s manager or anything. I was just after your thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdepends on the contract i guess. as far as i'm aware the plan was for a two fight deal, dmitry & then ggg. i can only assume it wasn't an immediate rematch clause, as the plan i was aware of was dmitry then ggg. if that was the case should ggg miss out on what i can only assume was agreed to? do you have any solid information that this was not the case in the contracts? air brushing has nothing to do with me. you lose a fight, you have a rematch clause, what happens next is what was agreed to in the contracts i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah funny ain’t it? Normally a loss can change plans can’t it? Not for Canelo though . How does he airbrush the Bivol defeat from his record.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo can say what he wants, if you disagree with him you'll have to take it up with him. as far as i am aware the plan was always dmitry first & then ggg, do you have information that goes against this? obviously if ggg lost to ryota the plan might have changedQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You lose a fight, you have a rematch clause, what happens next?
No need to get into the contractual technicalities of whether rematch clause was for now or 3 months ,2 weeks and 4 days, yadda yadda.
Basically he had a rematch clause , but was so well beat , it put him off the rematch, as he probably thinks he couldn’t make the changes to win a rematch, so he’s gone for the easier option.
If GGG couldn’t win either of the first 2 fights (and for the record, I always felt both decisions were absolutely correct.) , then how the fuck does he win this one?
I suppose Canelo is entitled to take a slightly easier fight now and then. But now stay at SMW, don’t be going back up to 175 where you’re possibly only 3rd or 4th best in that division.
i am calm champ. i'm not sure what thoughts of mine you are after regarding air brushing. i have never said canelo didn't lose to dmitry. so i'd disagree with anyone that thought otherwise. there is no basically to it. i'm pretty sure contracts were signed & agreed to by all involved. the deal i am aware of was dmitry first, then ggg. if there was a rematch clause i assume it wasn't for an immediate rematch based on the information about the two fight deal of dmitry first & then ggg. canelo losing to dmitry doesn't mean ggg should miss out on what i assume was agreed to. we'll have to wait until fight time to see what ggg can do to win this one. so you want canelo to stay at one sixty eight now & not go back to one seventy five to rematch dmitry after this? i'd prefer canelo to go back up & face dmitry in a rematch & artur. i think those two deserve a canelo payday & present the biggest challenges for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraCalm down pal, I know it doesn’t “have anything to do with you”, I know you’re not Canelo’s manager or anything. I was just after your thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdepends on the contract i guess. as far as i'm aware the plan was for a two fight deal, dmitry & then ggg. i can only assume it wasn't an immediate rematch clause, as the plan i was aware of was dmitry then ggg. if that was the case should ggg miss out on what i can only assume was agreed to? do you have any solid information that this was not the case in the contracts? air brushing has nothing to do with me. you lose a fight, you have a rematch clause, what happens next is what was agreed to in the contracts i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah funny ain’t it? Normally a loss can change plans can’t it? Not for Canelo though . How does he airbrush the Bivol defeat from his record.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo can say what he wants, if you disagree with him you'll have to take it up with him. as far as i am aware the plan was always dmitry first & then ggg, do you have information that goes against this? obviously if ggg lost to ryota the plan might have changedQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
You lose a fight, you have a rematch clause, what happens next?
No need to get into the contractual technicalities of whether rematch clause was for now or 3 months ,2 weeks and 4 days, yadda yadda.
Basically he had a rematch clause , but was so well beat , it put him off the rematch, as he probably thinks he couldn’t make the changes to win a rematch, so he’s gone for the easier option.
If GGG couldn’t win either of the first 2 fights (and for the record, I always felt both decisions were absolutely correct.) , then how the fuck does he win this one?
I suppose Canelo is entitled to take a slightly easier fight now and then. But now stay at SMW, don’t be going back up to 175 where you’re possibly only 3rd or 4th best in that division.