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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
what guys were more deserving that canelo for floyd to fight at jr middleweight?
canelo made callum look basic because he was so much better. i can't blame canelo for that. if guys like callum were just lying down like you stated then why weren't they fighting each other before canelo moved back up?
it was just a proposal. no contract was sent. jack could have countered
badou wasn't being forced to do anything, he could have countered. you don't think 32 pounds is a big weight difference for guys outside of heavyweight? maybe badou could have countered with both guys giving up 16 pounds, badou dropping 16 & canelo moving up 16
canelo proposed the catchweight because there was a 32 pound weight difference between badou & his previous fights. manny & miguel were getting catchweights from guys who were only a few pounds above them in their previous fights. manny picked up a meaningless vacant trinket against antonio margarito with a catchweight. if badou had of countered with a 16 pound drop maybe canelo would have considered it
the rest of your post is just subjective
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@TitoFan would you think it's reasonable for nonito donaire (i'm not comparing him to canelo or ages or points of their careers at the time just the weights here) after he lost to carl frampton at featherweight & went back to bantamweight after that to fight a guy at 150? do you think it would be reasonable for him to propose a catchweight of 130? & if the guy at 150 countered & said look i can't drop 20 pounds but what if we meet half way & i come down 16 pounds & you come up 16 pounds & we fight at 134 & do you think it would be reasonable for nonito to also propose a rehydration clause on the heavier guy?
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TitoFan would you think it's reasonable for nonito donaire (i'm not comparing him to canelo or ages or points of their careers at the time just the weights here) after he lost to carl frampton at featherweight & went back to bantamweight after that to fight a guy at 150? do you think it would be reasonable for him to propose a catchweight of 130? & if the guy at 150 countered & said look i can't drop 20 pounds but what if we meet half way & i come down 16 pounds & you come up 16 pounds & we fight at 134 & do you think it would be reasonable for nonito to also propose a rehydration clause on the heavier guy?
First, I'm glad you specified that you're not comparing Nonito to Canelo.
Second, this is strictly hypothetical right? It never happened.
Unless it actually did happen, I just don't see Nonito wanting to challenge a 150-pounder. Many reasons here. At the lower weights, the difference between divisions is smaller. The little guys (the elite ones) are very disciplined as to their weight, and don't normally entertain fantasies about jumping two divisions to grab a trinket. They'll move up a division and test the waters. If their skills translate into the higher division, they'll stay there. And so on and so forth.
So this hypothetical situation is very unlikely, and just wouldn't happen with the elite guys at the lower weights. If something like that occurred it would be a sham.
Odd you would pick Nonito for this example. He's one of my favorite fighters, and the antithesis of a Canelo. All business... got his 1st loss out of the way early... never shied away from a challenge... and didn't go for this diva B.S. Then again, you can say that for most elite fighters at the lower divisions.
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TitoFan would you think it's reasonable for nonito donaire (i'm not comparing him to canelo or ages or points of their careers at the time just the weights here) after he lost to carl frampton at featherweight & went back to bantamweight after that to fight a guy at 150? do you think it would be reasonable for him to propose a catchweight of 130? & if the guy at 150 countered & said look i can't drop 20 pounds but what if we meet half way & i come down 16 pounds & you come up 16 pounds & we fight at 134 & do you think it would be reasonable for nonito to also propose a rehydration clause on the heavier guy?
First, I'm glad you specified that you're not comparing Nonito to Canelo.
Second, this is strictly hypothetical right? It never happened.
Unless it actually did happen, I just don't see Nonito wanting to challenge a 150-pounder. Many reasons here. At the lower weights, the difference between divisions is smaller. The little guys (the elite ones) are very disciplined as to their weight, and don't normally entertain fantasies about jumping two divisions to grab a trinket. They'll move up a division and test the waters. If their skills translate into the higher division, they'll stay there. And so on and so forth.
So this hypothetical situation is very unlikely, and just wouldn't happen with the elite guys at the lower weights. If something like that occurred it would be a sham.
Odd you would pick Nonito for this example. He's one of my favorite fighters, and the antithesis of a Canelo. All business... got his 1st loss out of the way early... never shied away from a challenge... and didn't go for this diva B.S. Then again, you can say that for most elite fighters at the lower divisions.
as i said i'm just comparing the weights. i only used nonito because he was a fighter who went up & then came back down in weight similar to canelo in recent times. forget the fighters altogether. outside of heavyweight if fighter a was the star & wanted to fight a guy 32 pounds heavier than him from their previous fights & probably offer him a career high payday, do you think requesting he come up 12 pounds & fighter b come down 20 pounds is a reasonable starting point to propose for a catchweight? or do you think there shouldn't be a catchweight at all?
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This is all a matter of preference. For my taste, I dislike fighters seeking matches with that much of a weight difference. We have weight divisions for a reason. A fighter going up several weight divisions is fine. Just do it naturally, and preferably one division at a time. You go up a division? Establish dominance at that division before seeking to continue going up. If you don't do this, you're whoring yourself out seeking meaningless trinkets, and ignoring deserving fighters around you. When fans lend credence to this shit, they're doing a disservice to the sport, IMO. If a fighter can climb one, two, three divisions throughout the course of his career, all the more power to him. But the hopscotch targeting of weak division champions, or asking much heavier champions to drain themselves... is contrary to the traditional and competitive nature of the sport. Again, my opinion.
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This is all a matter of preference. For my taste, I dislike fighters seeking matches with that much of a weight difference. We have weight divisions for a reason. A fighter going up several weight divisions is fine. Just do it naturally, and preferably one division at a time. You go up a division? Establish dominance at that division before seeking to continue going up. If you don't do this, you're whoring yourself out seeking meaningless trinkets, and ignoring deserving fighters around you. When fans lend credence to this shit, they're doing a disservice to the sport, IMO. If a fighter can climb one, two, three divisions throughout the course of his career, all the more power to him. But the hopscotch targeting of weak division champions, or asking much heavier champions to drain themselves... is contrary to the traditional and competitive nature of the sport. Again, my opinion.
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
let me rephrase the question. do you think it's reasonable for a fighter to propose that another fighter come down 20 pounds for a fight?
it's not like badou is the first fighter who would have had to drop 20 pounds from his previous fight weight. archie moore did more than that a couple of times in his career. roy jones jr dropped 18 pounds to come back down to fight antonio tarver. james toney dropped 31 pounds to come back down to cruiserweight & 25 pounds to fight earl butler, ossie ocasio dropped about 27 pounds, orlin norris did it a couple of times, glenn mccrory & others
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let me rephrase the question. do you think it's reasonable for a fighter to propose that another fighter come down 20 pounds for a fight?
it's not like badou is the first fighter who would have had to drop 20 pounds from his previous fight weight. archie moore did more than that a couple of times in his career. roy jones jr dropped 18 pounds to come back down to fight antonio tarver. james toney dropped 31 pounds to come back down to cruiserweight & 25 pounds to fight earl butler, ossie ocasio dropped about 27 pounds, orlin norris did it a couple of times, glenn mccrory & others
No need to rephrase. I understood the question the first time and thought I answered it quite clearly.
But addressing the examples you cite...
To be clear, I've never been a fan of ANY of those huge weight swings. Speaking of which... how did it go for RJJ against Tarver? The human body is not meant to absorb huge "see-saw" weight gains and drops, and still allow athletic competition at a world-class level. It's freakish, and lends a circus-like atmosphere to the sport. Toney was at his best at the lower weights, but became an artificially blown-up fat ass heavyweight. I was never a fan of that, nor of his huge weight drops.
But never mind all that. Here's the biggest difference between all of what you've said, and Canelo asking Badou to drop 20 pounds. Ready?
Canelo is a high-profile, money-making machine in boxing. Overhyped and manufactured, in my opinion, as you are well aware. For him to specifically target much higher weight fighters by ASKING them to drop 20 pounds and then supposedly fight for a (cough) "title" at that higher weight... well... it's disgraceful, cheap, and fits his career M.O. perfectly. Remember... you asked.
The fighters you mentioned dropped all that weight on their own volition. Because they WANTED to. Not because they were asked by some diva punk, who thinks it's ok to pick up a cruiserweight title from a 200-pounder who has had to drain himself to 180. Badou's dismissal of Canelo was perfect.
Finally... Toney, RJJ... all started at much lower weights. So at least in Toney's case, all he did was drop a lot of FAT. It's like dropping off the extra luggage you had picked up when you found out the taxi cab you were expecting was actually a scooter.
Badou, by contrast, is a workmanlike fighter, who just goes about his business and eschews all those circus-like weight shenanigans.
I hope he literally told Ginger to go f*ck himself.
I honestly hope I've answered your questions on this. The harder you try and justify Ginger on some of his antics... the worse he looks.
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let me rephrase the question. do you think it's reasonable for a fighter to propose that another fighter come down 20 pounds for a fight?
it's not like badou is the first fighter who would have had to drop 20 pounds from his previous fight weight. archie moore did more than that a couple of times in his career. roy jones jr dropped 18 pounds to come back down to fight antonio tarver. james toney dropped 31 pounds to come back down to cruiserweight & 25 pounds to fight earl butler, ossie ocasio dropped about 27 pounds, orlin norris did it a couple of times, glenn mccrory & others
To be clear, I've never been a fan of ANY of those huge weight swings. Speaking of which... how did it go for RJJ against Tarver? The human body is not meant to absorb huge "see-saw" weight gains and drops, and still allow athletic competition at a world-class level. It's freakish, and lends a circus-like atmosphere to the sport. Toney was at his best at the lower weights, but became an artificially blown-up fat ass heavyweight. I was never a fan of that, nor of his huge weight drops.
But never mind all that. Here's the biggest difference between all of what you've said, and Canelo asking Badou to drop 20 pounds. Ready?
Canelo is a high-profile, money-making machine in boxing. Overhyped and manufactured, in my opinion, as you are well aware. For him to specifically target much higher weight fighters by ASKING them to drop 20 pounds and then supposedly fight for a (cough) "title" at that higher weight... well... it's disgraceful, cheap, and fits his career M.O. perfectly. Remember... you asked.
The fighters you mentioned dropped all that weight on their own volition. Because they WANTED to. Not because they were asked by some diva punk, who thinks it's ok to pick up a cruiserweight title from a 200-pounder who has had to drain himself to 180. Badou's dismissal of Canelo was perfect.
Finally... Toney, RJJ... all started at much lower weights. So at least in Toney's case, all he did was drop a lot of FAT. It's like dropping off the extra luggage you had picked up when you found out the taxi cab you were expecting was actually a scooter.
Badou, by contrast, is a workmanlike fighter, who just goes about his business and eschews all those circus-like weight shenanigans.
I hope he literally told Ginger to go f*ck himself.
I honestly hope I've answered your questions on this. The harder you try and justify Ginger on some of his antics... the worse he looks.
okay so you don't think it's reasonable for a fighter to propose that another fighter come down 20 pounds for a fight
roy jones won the fight with antonio, although it was a tough fight, antonio was a good fighter so i'd say it went well for roy
we'll have to agree to dusagree about the human body being to absorb huge "see-saw" weight gains and drops, and still allow athletic competition at a world-class level. many of the fighters i mentioned performed at world-class levels after the drop
you may not have been a fan of james toney's weight drops but he still dropped the weight
you are unable to separate canelo from the discussion. the rephrased question doesn't mention canelo at all, it asks about a fighter proposing another fighter to drop weight. but since you brought him up again, what weight division would a catchweight of 180 be in?
saying the fighters i mentioned dropped all that weight on their own volition is not entirely true. no fighter wants to drop 20 pounds willingly. they did it because they thought it was best for their careers. archie moore was being made to jump through hoops to get a fight with rocky marciano, bouncy up & down in weight. i could argue that badou was unwlling to do what other fighters have done, seems to be working out great for his career. i'm sure bridgerweight will do wonders for him
badou also started at a lower weight & spent much of his career at super middle. james toney still had to dedicte himself to cut the weight because he thought it was best for his career
do you really think canelo cares that badou turned down the opportunity? canelo is still getting his guarantees & fighting, what has badou being doing in the ring over the last year?
again the rephrased question had nothing to do with canelo. try to separate him from the actual discussion taking place
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
TIC, I'm "unable" to separate Canelo from the weight discussion for three basic reasons. One, because he's the reason we're having this discussion in the first place. You continue trying to justify Canelo's weight gymnastics, while I'm tearing them down. Two, it's impossible not to compare the fighters you yourself have brought up, obviously in Canelo's defense, for the purpose of comparing. Three, it serves for me to point out the clear and distinct differences between normal weight changes by fighters, and Canelo's shameless reaching for meaningless trinkets, while using his diva status to stack the deck in his favor.
But if you just want me to comment on the other fighters, I think I've done that as well. I think it's obvious that we think differently on weight. You apparently don't care how huge the jumps are, while I prefer a more natural progression in weight. I prefer when a fighter says... "I'm going up in weight because (a) I find it hard to make this weight anymore, or (b) I've already dominated everyone there is to face here." I despise divas who jump OVER divisions where they've already gotten their asses kicked, looking for a heavier (but perceivably weaker) belt holder just to get a shiny new trinket.
We can continue this discussion as long as you like. I really don't mind, because every time I talk about it, it just makes Canelo look worse and worse.
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one. the rephrased question did not mention canelo at all. it was about if you thought it was reasonable for a fighter to dropped close to 20 pounds
two. i wasn't comparing other fighters to canelo, they were mentioned to show that dropping that amount of weight is something that has been done throughout the sports history
three. the rephrased question was about if you thought it was reasonable for a fighter to drop around 20 pounds, again nothing about canelo
you seem to think it's unreasonable & i think it's reasonable if the fighter thinks it's in their best interests. we can agree to disagree
when you mention fighters jumping over divisions i assume you're referring to canelo looking heavier than light heavy? remember canelo offered dmitry the same terms for the rematch & dmitry turned the fight down so canelo went looking elsewhere & ended up fulfilling a mandatory
there's several different discussions here, one about if it is reasonable for a fighter to drop around 20 pounds & another about if it's reasonable for a fighter who started at jr welter & is currently already in his fifth weight division to propose that a fighter who started at light heavy & held a 32 pound weight advantage from their previous fights to drop 20 pounds. you don't think either are reasonable, i think both are reasonable. we can agree to disagree
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This sounds like the old Mayweather fan vs hater discussions.
Usually someone got emo hurt because Mayweather schooled their favourite fighter and the pages and pages of arguments in the end meant nothing. Part and parcel of successful greats in boxing is due to the political chess involved with timing, management and deal making.
You cant knock Canelos achievements no more than you can knock Mayweather's. In the ring Canelo is a class act. Deny if you will but I choose to focus on the fight in front of me and the way an operator works the ring. Very entertaining.
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one. the rephrased question did not mention canelo at all. it was about if you thought it was reasonable for a fighter to dropped close to 20 pounds
two. i wasn't comparing other fighters to canelo, they were mentioned to show that dropping that amount of weight is something that has been done throughout the sports history
three. the rephrased question was about if you thought it was reasonable for a fighter to drop around 20 pounds, again nothing about canelo
you seem to think it's unreasonable & i think it's reasonable if the fighter thinks it's in their best interests. we can agree to disagree
when you mention fighters jumping over divisions i assume you're referring to canelo looking heavier than light heavy? remember canelo offered dmitry the same terms for the rematch & dmitry turned the fight down so canelo went looking elsewhere & ended up fulfilling a mandatory
there's several different discussions here, one about if it is reasonable for a fighter to drop around 20 pounds & another about if it's reasonable for a fighter who started at jr welter & is currently already in his fifth weight division to propose that a fighter who started at light heavy & held a 32 pound weight advantage from their previous fights to drop 20 pounds. you don't think either are reasonable, i think both are reasonable. we can agree to disagree
Your #1 and your #3 are exactly the same, word for word. Just thought I'd point that out.
Yeah. Bivol turned it down. He basically said "been there done that." "Now I want to kick your ass at 168." Canelo declined. Good on Bivol for not letting Canelo dictate the rules of the game. So the thorn remains in Canelo's side. Forever.
Beterbiev was at 175 also. Why didn't Canelo go after him? Easy. Canelo knew Artur would rip him a new one. So he went chasing unicorns at cruiserweight instead. (Note: Please don't get hung on my use of the word "unicorn." Just a figure of speech).
Apparently Ilunga wasn't available. So he made his shameful offer to Badou. Remember, he had gotten his ass kicked at 175 by Bivol. If he couldn't beat Bivol, and wasn't willing to try Beterbiev... why make an ass of yourself and try to drain a cruiserweight? Cause that's how Canelo operates.
I guess we can agree to disagree on a lot of things.
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This sounds like the old Mayweather fan vs hater discussions.
Usually someone got emo hurt because Mayweather schooled their favourite fighter and the pages and pages of arguments in the end meant nothing. Part and parcel of successful greats in boxing is due to the political chess involved with timing, management and deal making.
You cant knock Canelos achievements no more than you can knock Mayweather's. In the ring Canelo is a class act. Deny if you will but I choose to focus on the fight in front of me and the way an operator works the ring. Very entertaining.
Once Canelo is in the ring, he's entertaining. No doubt about that. He's got a fan-friendly style.
My beef with Canelo has always been what occurs outside the ring. I've been explicit about all my beefs, so there's no need to repeat them.
I'm thankful for this discussion with TIC, though. It used to be that my hating on Canelo was viewed by some as me not liking Mexicans fighters. Which of course is ridiculous, since I'm a huge fan of more than a few past Mexicans champions.
My anti-Canelo arguments could be readily countered by the opinions of others, since after all boxing fandom boils down to opinions and perceptions.
But this defense of Canelo wanting to fight for a "cruiserweight" title, at the expense of wanting to weight drain a Badou Jack who was just going about his business and probably doesn't give three shits about Canelo... while also instituting his usual diva rehydration clauses...
I'm honestly thankful that a Canelo fan is trying to defend and justify this ridiculous travesty. All it does is put a magnifying glass on the whole thing, and points out just how Canelo views trinkets.
He's got no intention of staying at cruiser, just like he's never had any intention of staying at 175. He just wants to collect meaningless, artificially achieved weight titles... so he can crow about being a champion at all these weights.
I wouldn't put it past Canelo to reach out to a weak HW champ... drain the crap out of him to some ridiculous catchweight.... and then have the nerve to call himself a heavyweight champion.
I've got no use for the ginger-haired diva... and the sooner he goes away the better.
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KickMuck
This sounds like the old Mayweather fan vs hater discussions.
Usually someone got emo hurt because Mayweather schooled their favourite fighter and the pages and pages of arguments in the end meant nothing. Part and parcel of successful greats in boxing is due to the political chess involved with timing, management and deal making.
You cant knock Canelos achievements no more than you can knock Mayweather's. In the ring Canelo is a class act. Deny if you will but I choose to focus on the fight in front of me and the way an operator works the ring. Very entertaining.
it's just a bit of boxing banter. it doesn't really mean anything but gives us something to discuss at times
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one. the rephrased question did not mention canelo at all. it was about if you thought it was reasonable for a fighter to dropped close to 20 pounds
two. i wasn't comparing other fighters to canelo, they were mentioned to show that dropping that amount of weight is something that has been done throughout the sports history
three. the rephrased question was about if you thought it was reasonable for a fighter to drop around 20 pounds, again nothing about canelo
you seem to think it's unreasonable & i think it's reasonable if the fighter thinks it's in their best interests. we can agree to disagree
when you mention fighters jumping over divisions i assume you're referring to canelo looking heavier than light heavy? remember canelo offered dmitry the same terms for the rematch & dmitry turned the fight down so canelo went looking elsewhere & ended up fulfilling a mandatory
there's several different discussions here, one about if it is reasonable for a fighter to drop around 20 pounds & another about if it's reasonable for a fighter who started at jr welter & is currently already in his fifth weight division to propose that a fighter who started at light heavy & held a 32 pound weight advantage from their previous fights to drop 20 pounds. you don't think either are reasonable, i think both are reasonable. we can agree to disagree
Your #1 and your #3 are exactly the same, word for word. Just thought I'd point that out.
Yeah. Bivol turned it down. He basically said "been there done that." "Now I want to kick your ass at 168." Canelo declined. Good on Bivol for not letting Canelo dictate the rules of the game. So the thorn remains in Canelo's side. Forever.
Beterbiev was at 175 also. Why didn't Canelo go after him? Easy. Canelo knew Artur would rip him a new one. So he went chasing unicorns at cruiserweight instead. (Note: Please don't get hung on my use of the word "unicorn." Just a figure of speech).
Apparently Ilunga wasn't available. So he made his shameful offer to Badou. Remember, he had gotten his ass kicked at 175 by Bivol. If he couldn't beat Bivol, and wasn't willing to try Beterbiev... why make an ass of yourself and try to drain a cruiserweight? Cause that's how Canelo operates.
I guess we can agree to disagree on a lot of things.
one & three aren't word for word & they're there to highlight that the rephrased question wasn't about canelo
what offer did dmitry's team send canelo for a fight at super middle again? only dmitry turned down an offer
artur was at light heavy. i'm not going to lie that's a tough fight. my question would be why would you want the smaller man canelo to fight artur before dmitry did? artur & dmitry have been champions at light heavy for how long now? i can't fault canelo for not fighting artur when many other champions in the same division haven't
ilunga was the original target but he had a mandatory to fulfill, so don king got that done quick smart, unfortunately canelo had moved on, he then came back to badou after his victory. what weight division is 180 in again? the cruiserweight limit also used to be 190 & the wbc was going to reduce it back down due to their bridgerweight division but they haven't enforced that up to this time
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KickMuck
This sounds like the old Mayweather fan vs hater discussions.
Usually someone got emo hurt because Mayweather schooled their favourite fighter and the pages and pages of arguments in the end meant nothing. Part and parcel of successful greats in boxing is due to the political chess involved with timing, management and deal making.
You cant knock Canelos achievements no more than you can knock Mayweather's. In the ring Canelo is a class act. Deny if you will but I choose to focus on the fight in front of me and the way an operator works the ring. Very entertaining.
But this defense of Canelo wanting to fight for a "cruiserweight" title, at the expense of wanting to weight drain a Badou Jack who was just going about his business and probably doesn't give three shits about Canelo... while also instituting his usual diva rehydration clauses...
I'm honestly thankful that a Canelo fan is trying to defend and justify this ridiculous travesty. All it does is put a magnifying glass on the whole thing, and points out just how Canelo views trinkets.
He's got no intention of staying at cruiser, just like he's never had any intention of staying at 175. He just wants to collect meaningless, artificially achieved weight titles... so he can crow about being a champion at all these weights.
I wouldn't put it past Canelo to reach out to a weak HW champ... drain the crap out of him to some ridiculous catchweight.... and then have the nerve to call himself a heavyweight champion.
what weight division would a fight at 180 be in? i see nothing wrong with a smaller fighter proposing a guy who weighed 32 pounds more in his previous fight to drop 20 pounds. canelo was going to come up 12 pounds. if badou countered maybe they could have meet in the middle
trinkets are worthless to us but they hold some sway in the sport. adrien broner can always fall back on being a four division champion for example. the title didn't matter to me but canelo challenging a guy at 180 intrigued me
bring on manuel charr, i'd watch canelo fight him & whatever we may think of trinkets it'll be recorded by history
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what offer did dmitry's team send canelo for a fight at super middle again? only dmitry turned down an offer
B.S. It is well documented that Canelo wanted another shot at 175, while Bivol said he'd only fight him again at 168. I guess Canelo wanted to get that embarrassment off his record, while Bivol wanted to prove he could kick Canelo's ass at any weight. It didn't happen. Case closed.
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artur was at light heavy. i'm not going to lie that's a tough fight. my question would be why would you want the smaller man canelo to fight artur before dmitry did?
Why not? Presumably Canelo is the guy who wants all the challenges. Why avoid Beterbiev like the plague (like he's doing with Benavidez now), and yet target bigger guys at cruiserweight?
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ilunga was the original target but he had a mandatory to fulfill, so don king got that done quick smart, unfortunately canelo had moved on, he then came back to badou after his victory. what weight division is 180 in again? the cruiserweight limit also used to be 190 & the wbc was going to reduce it back down due to their bridgerweight division but they haven't enforced that up to this time
This is all so freaking desperate. LMFAO. It doesn't MATTER what weight division 180 is in. It doesn't MATTER that cruiserweight used to be 190. I don't GIVE a damn about the bridgerweight division. All your verbal gymnastics can't get Canelo off the hook for being a little bitch and selectively pick out non-threatening targets to collect his meaningless trinkets.
But please continue. This is the most fun I've had raking Canelo over the coals since I've been here.
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But this defense of Canelo wanting to fight for a "cruiserweight" title, at the expense of wanting to weight drain a Badou Jack who was just going about his business and probably doesn't give three shits about Canelo... while also instituting his usual diva rehydration clauses...
I'm honestly thankful that a Canelo fan is trying to defend and justify this ridiculous travesty. All it does is put a magnifying glass on the whole thing, and points out just how Canelo views trinkets.
He's got no intention of staying at cruiser, just like he's never had any intention of staying at 175. He just wants to collect meaningless, artificially achieved weight titles... so he can crow about being a champion at all these weights.
I wouldn't put it past Canelo to reach out to a weak HW champ... drain the crap out of him to some ridiculous catchweight.... and then have the nerve to call himself a heavyweight champion.
what weight division would a fight at 180 be in? i see nothing wrong with a smaller fighter proposing a guy who weighed 32 pounds more in his previous fight to drop 20 pounds. canelo was going to come up 12 pounds. if badou countered maybe they could have meet in the middle
trinkets are worthless to us but they hold some sway in the sport. adrien broner can always fall back on being a four division champion for example. the title didn't matter to me but canelo challenging a guy at 180 intrigued me
bring on manuel charr, i'd watch canelo fight him & whatever we may think of trinkets it'll be recorded by history
The bolded part still applies.
The whole thing is embarrassing. LMFAO
Canelo has made a frigging bitch ass clown of himself by asking a 200-pound cruiserweight (who honestly has ZERO interest in fighting Canelo) to drain himself to 180 (with rehydration clauses, of course), so they can fight for a BOGUS cruiserweight title. A title Canelo would have NO INTENTIONS of defending against a full-sized cruiser who weighed in at 200 and rehydrated a few pounds over that.
The redheaded bitch does not BELONG at cruiser!!! Hell... he got his ass kicked at 175. Be content with your 168 titles and STFU, for crying out loud. He does all these weight gymnastics, and STILL MANAGES TO AVOID THE 168-POUND ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!!!!! Until the elephant got tired of waiting for the bitch and moved on.
THAT... will be part of Ginger's legacy when he's gone. A cherry-picking, trinket-grabbing coward.
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The Cinnamon kid is a great and will be a Legend within the boxing hall of fame!
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Purse bid for Scull delayed for the second time :embarassed:. Maybe Scull is just playing hard ball for the step aside. Right? Surely. The fan in me clings to desperate vanishing :vanish: hope that Canelo...and his people working the opposite corner...are just waiting to see how Benavidez fight plays out this Saturday. The man just won't commit to much now will he. Just doesn't have it in him.
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TIC
what offer did dmitry's team send canelo for a fight at super middle again? only dmitry turned down an offer
B.S. It is well documented that Canelo wanted another shot at 175, while Bivol said he'd only fight him again at 168. I guess Canelo wanted to get that embarrassment off his record, while Bivol wanted to prove he could kick Canelo's ass at any weight. It didn't happen. Case closed.
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artur was at light heavy. i'm not going to lie that's a tough fight. my question would be why would you want the smaller man canelo to fight artur before dmitry did?
Why not? Presumably Canelo is the guy who wants all the challenges. Why avoid Beterbiev like the plague (like he's doing with Benavidez now), and yet target bigger guys at cruiserweight?
Cherry-Picking 101: Prof. Alvarez
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ilunga was the original target but he had a mandatory to fulfill, so don king got that done quick smart, unfortunately canelo had moved on, he then came back to badou after his victory. what weight division is 180 in again? the cruiserweight limit also used to be 190 & the wbc was going to reduce it back down due to their bridgerweight division but they haven't enforced that up to this time
This is all so freaking desperate. LMFAO. It doesn't MATTER what weight division 180 is in. It doesn't MATTER that cruiserweight used to be 190. I don't GIVE a damn about the bridgerweight division. All your verbal gymnastics can't get Canelo off the hook for being a little bitch and selectively pick out non-threatening targets to collect his meaningless trinkets.
But please continue. This is the most fun I've had raking Canelo over the coals since I've been here.
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But this defense of Canelo wanting to fight for a "cruiserweight" title, at the expense of wanting to weight drain a Badou Jack who was just going about his business and probably doesn't give three shits about Canelo... while also instituting his usual diva rehydration clauses...
I'm honestly thankful that a Canelo fan is trying to defend and justify this ridiculous travesty. All it does is put a magnifying glass on the whole thing, and points out just how Canelo views trinkets.
He's got no intention of staying at cruiser, just like he's never had any intention of staying at 175. He just wants to collect meaningless, artificially achieved weight titles... so he can crow about being a champion at all these weights.
I wouldn't put it past Canelo to reach out to a weak HW champ... drain the crap out of him to some ridiculous catchweight.... and then have the nerve to call himself a heavyweight champion.
what weight division would a fight at 180 be in? i see nothing wrong with a smaller fighter proposing a guy who weighed 32 pounds more in his previous fight to drop 20 pounds. canelo was going to come up 12 pounds. if badou countered maybe they could have meet in the middle
trinkets are worthless to us but they hold some sway in the sport. adrien broner can always fall back on being a four division champion for example. the title didn't matter to me but canelo challenging a guy at 180 intrigued me
bring on manuel charr, i'd watch canelo fight him & whatever we may think of trinkets it'll be recorded by history
The bolded part still applies.
The whole thing is embarrassing.
LMFAO
Canelo has made a frigging bitch ass clown of himself by asking a 200-pound cruiserweight (who honestly has ZERO interest in fighting Canelo) to drain himself to 180 (with rehydration clauses, of course), so they can fight for a BOGUS cruiserweight title. A title Canelo would have NO INTENTIONS of defending against a full-sized cruiser who weighed in at 200 and rehydrated a few pounds over that.
The redheaded bitch does not BELONG at cruiser!!! Hell... he got his ass kicked at 175. Be content with your 168 titles and STFU, for crying out loud. He does all these weight gymnastics, and STILL MANAGES TO AVOID THE 168-POUND ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!!!!! Until the elephant got tired of waiting for the bitch and moved on.
THAT... will be part of Ginger's legacy when he's gone. A cherry-picking, trinket-grabbing coward.
I'm still deciding between "bitch ass clown" and "red-headed bitch" for the best description of the cherry picking Beef-Taintin' Clenbuteral.
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TIC
what offer did dmitry's team send canelo for a fight at super middle again? only dmitry turned down an offer
B.S. It is well documented that Canelo wanted another shot at 175, while Bivol said he'd only fight him again at 168. I guess Canelo wanted to get that embarrassment off his record, while Bivol wanted to prove he could kick Canelo's ass at any weight. It didn't happen. Case closed.
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artur was at light heavy. i'm not going to lie that's a tough fight. my question would be why would you want the smaller man canelo to fight artur before dmitry did?
Why not? Presumably Canelo is the guy who wants all the challenges. Why avoid Beterbiev like the plague (like he's doing with Benavidez now), and yet target bigger guys at cruiserweight?
Cherry-Picking 101: Prof. Alvarez
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ilunga was the original target but he had a mandatory to fulfill, so don king got that done quick smart, unfortunately canelo had moved on, he then came back to badou after his victory. what weight division is 180 in again? the cruiserweight limit also used to be 190 & the wbc was going to reduce it back down due to their bridgerweight division but they haven't enforced that up to this time
This is all so freaking desperate. LMFAO. It doesn't MATTER what weight division 180 is in. It doesn't MATTER that cruiserweight used to be 190. I don't GIVE a damn about the bridgerweight division. All your verbal gymnastics can't get Canelo off the hook for being a little bitch and selectively pick out non-threatening targets to collect his meaningless trinkets.
But please continue. This is the most fun I've had raking Canelo over the coals since I've been here.
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But this defense of Canelo wanting to fight for a "cruiserweight" title, at the expense of wanting to weight drain a Badou Jack who was just going about his business and probably doesn't give three shits about Canelo... while also instituting his usual diva rehydration clauses...
I'm honestly thankful that a Canelo fan is trying to defend and justify this ridiculous travesty. All it does is put a magnifying glass on the whole thing, and points out just how Canelo views trinkets.
He's got no intention of staying at cruiser, just like he's never had any intention of staying at 175. He just wants to collect meaningless, artificially achieved weight titles... so he can crow about being a champion at all these weights.
I wouldn't put it past Canelo to reach out to a weak HW champ... drain the crap out of him to some ridiculous catchweight.... and then have the nerve to call himself a heavyweight champion.
what weight division would a fight at 180 be in? i see nothing wrong with a smaller fighter proposing a guy who weighed 32 pounds more in his previous fight to drop 20 pounds. canelo was going to come up 12 pounds. if badou countered maybe they could have meet in the middle
trinkets are worthless to us but they hold some sway in the sport. adrien broner can always fall back on being a four division champion for example. the title didn't matter to me but canelo challenging a guy at 180 intrigued me
bring on manuel charr, i'd watch canelo fight him & whatever we may think of trinkets it'll be recorded by history
The bolded part still applies.
The whole thing is embarrassing.
LMFAO
Canelo has made a frigging bitch ass clown of himself by asking a 200-pound cruiserweight (who honestly has ZERO interest in fighting Canelo) to drain himself to 180 (with rehydration clauses, of course), so they can fight for a BOGUS cruiserweight title. A title Canelo would have NO INTENTIONS of defending against a full-sized cruiser who weighed in at 200 and rehydrated a few pounds over that.
The redheaded bitch does not BELONG at cruiser!!! Hell... he got his ass kicked at 175. Be content with your 168 titles and STFU, for crying out loud. He does all these weight gymnastics, and STILL MANAGES TO AVOID THE 168-POUND ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!!!!! Until the elephant got tired of waiting for the bitch and moved on.
THAT... will be part of Ginger's legacy when he's gone. A cherry-picking, trinket-grabbing coward.
I'm still deciding between "bitch ass clown" and "red-headed bitch" for the best description of the cherry picking Beef-Taintin' Clenbuteral.
Sounds quite a bit like Fury
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TIC
what offer did dmitry's team send canelo for a fight at super middle again? only dmitry turned down an offer
B.S. It is well documented that Canelo wanted another shot at 175, while Bivol said he'd only fight him again at 168. I guess Canelo wanted to get that embarrassment off his record, while Bivol wanted to prove he could kick Canelo's ass at any weight. It didn't happen. Case closed.
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artur was at light heavy. i'm not going to lie that's a tough fight. my question would be why would you want the smaller man canelo to fight artur before dmitry did?
Why not? Presumably Canelo is the guy who wants all the challenges. Why avoid Beterbiev like the plague (like he's doing with Benavidez now), and yet target bigger guys at cruiserweight?
Cherry-Picking 101: Prof. Alvarez
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TIC
ilunga was the original target but he had a mandatory to fulfill, so don king got that done quick smart, unfortunately canelo had moved on, he then came back to badou after his victory. what weight division is 180 in again? the cruiserweight limit also used to be 190 & the wbc was going to reduce it back down due to their bridgerweight division but they haven't enforced that up to this time
This is all so freaking desperate. LMFAO. It doesn't MATTER what weight division 180 is in. It doesn't MATTER that cruiserweight used to be 190. I don't GIVE a damn about the bridgerweight division. All your verbal gymnastics can't get Canelo off the hook for being a little bitch and selectively pick out non-threatening targets to collect his meaningless trinkets.
But please continue. This is the most fun I've had raking Canelo over the coals since I've been here.
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TIC
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TitoFan
But this defense of Canelo wanting to fight for a "cruiserweight" title, at the expense of wanting to weight drain a Badou Jack who was just going about his business and probably doesn't give three shits about Canelo... while also instituting his usual diva rehydration clauses...
I'm honestly thankful that a Canelo fan is trying to defend and justify this ridiculous travesty. All it does is put a magnifying glass on the whole thing, and points out just how Canelo views trinkets.
He's got no intention of staying at cruiser, just like he's never had any intention of staying at 175. He just wants to collect meaningless, artificially achieved weight titles... so he can crow about being a champion at all these weights.
I wouldn't put it past Canelo to reach out to a weak HW champ... drain the crap out of him to some ridiculous catchweight.... and then have the nerve to call himself a heavyweight champion.
what weight division would a fight at 180 be in? i see nothing wrong with a smaller fighter proposing a guy who weighed 32 pounds more in his previous fight to drop 20 pounds. canelo was going to come up 12 pounds. if badou countered maybe they could have meet in the middle
trinkets are worthless to us but they hold some sway in the sport. adrien broner can always fall back on being a four division champion for example. the title didn't matter to me but canelo challenging a guy at 180 intrigued me
bring on manuel charr, i'd watch canelo fight him & whatever we may think of trinkets it'll be recorded by history
The bolded part still applies.
The whole thing is embarrassing.
LMFAO
Canelo has made a frigging bitch ass clown of himself by asking a 200-pound cruiserweight (who honestly has ZERO interest in fighting Canelo) to drain himself to 180 (with rehydration clauses, of course), so they can fight for a BOGUS cruiserweight title. A title Canelo would have NO INTENTIONS of defending against a full-sized cruiser who weighed in at 200 and rehydrated a few pounds over that.
The redheaded bitch does not BELONG at cruiser!!! Hell... he got his ass kicked at 175. Be content with your 168 titles and STFU, for crying out loud. He does all these weight gymnastics, and STILL MANAGES TO AVOID THE 168-POUND ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!!!!! Until the elephant got tired of waiting for the bitch and moved on.
THAT... will be part of Ginger's legacy when he's gone. A cherry-picking, trinket-grabbing coward.
so no offer from dmitry’s team for a fight at super middle? canelo offered same terms, dmitry turned down the offer
artur & amitry along with other light heavies should have been fighting each other before canelo needs to. if you’re claiming canelo ducked artur then dmitry has up to this point as well
it does matter what weight division 180 is in because you keep bringing up the meaningless trinket. still waiting for your answer
i was just pointing out that the cruiserweight limit used to be 190 & the wbc had planned to reduce in back when they introduced their bridgerweight division. badou may be non-threatening to you but he has always been in fun fights for me & he earned his trinket in the ring, a trinket that would be on the line because what weight division is 180 in again?
you may consider the title to be bogus but it would be fought for within the division weight limits. who said canelo had intentions to defend it? other fighters haven’t intended to defend titles before, this is nothing new
you seem overly emotional. he’s just a boxer. go outside & get some sun & fresh air. you are one of these guys that says it’s unfair for jermell to move up 14 pounds to fight canelo saying it’s too much but then complaining when canelo proposes to move up 12 pounds when already in his fifth weight division against a guy that was 32 pounds heavier than him in their previous fights
since you see no issue with canelo fighting someone 32 pounds above him, you should have no issues with terence crawford moving straight up from welter to fight canelo at super middle or for naoya inoue to move up from super bantam to fight tank at lightweight. no double standards now
canelo will be a first ballot hall of famer. fact
one other question I would ask you. do you consider dmitry a pound for pound top ten guy currently?
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Emotional?
LMAO... you don't know me well enough to make that assertion. I can tell you though, that I've never had this much fun raking Canelo over the coals. To watch you desperately trying to mount a defense of the redheaded bitch's pathetic moves is priceless.
Hall of Fame or not, he will leave with more than a few haters who have seen through his carefully constructed career like I have.
If anyone's emotional, it's you... who seem unable to come to grips with the fact that not everyone fawns over Canelo like you do. Tsk-tsk.... such is life.
Then again, you're a PrincessRy fan too, which gives me all the insight I need as to your tastes in boxing, and what you consider greatness.
It seems to matter a great deal to you that I don't share your fanboyhood of Canelo. Sorry... can't help you there. But thanks again for trying to mount a comical defense for Canelo avoiding Beterbiev, chasing after Badou trying to starve him to 180, ducking Benavidez, and basically revealing himself to be the bitch ass clown many people know he is.
BTW, @NoSavingByTheBell I personally think "bitch ass clown" has more oomph. LOL.
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it's just a bit of boxing banter. it doesn't really mean anything but gives us something to discuss at times
A little while back you said this... now you're claiming I'm "emotional"? LMAO. C'mon bro... don't lose the plot. If it "doesn't really mean anything", then why should either of us be emotional?
It seems to upset you that I don't share your "hero-worshipping" of Canelo, and... that I'm outspoken about it...and... that I bring up shit no one else does. Right? Most people seemed to sweep Canelo's shameless chasing of a drained Badou (for a bogus title) under the rug. But I came along and put it out there in bright lights, right? It's like the embarrassing secret someone uncovers and you just wish that person would go away, right?
What can I say, bro? I call 'em like I see 'em.
Hey... I did say Canelo was entertaining once he gets in the ring. That should count for something, right? ;D
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Emotional?
LMAO... you don't know me well enough to make that assertion. I can tell you though, that I've never had this much fun raking Canelo over the coals. To watch you desperately trying to mount a defense of the redheaded bitch's pathetic moves is priceless.
Hall of Fame or not, he will leave with more than a few haters who have seen through his carefully constructed career like I have.
If anyone's emotional, it's you... who seem unable to come to grips with the fact that not everyone fawns over Canelo like you do. Tsk-tsk.... such is life.
Then again, you're a PrincessRy fan too, which gives me all the insight I need as to your tastes in boxing, and what you consider greatness.
It seems to matter a great deal to you that I don't share your fanboyhood of Canelo. Sorry... can't help you there. But thanks again for trying to mount a comical defense for Canelo avoiding Beterbiev, chasing after Badou trying to starve him to 180, ducking Benavidez, and basically revealing himself to be the bitch ass clown many people know he is.
BTW, @
NoSavingByTheBell I personally think "bitch ass clown" has more oomph. LOL.
i can see how canelo gets under your skin. for someone you despise so much you sure talk about him a lot. you can just ignore him but you're unable to because you're emotionally involved. there's no desperation, i just disagree with your exaggeration, hyperbole & double standards
once you reach a cetrain level you'll always receive criticism
there's no emotion involved for me i just highlight your exaggeration, hyperbole & double standards
i used to be a king ry fan but after testing positive for peds i'll have to see where he goes, i've never said king ry was great
it doesn't matter to me what you think of canelo i just highlight your exaggeration, hyperbole & double standards. i don't know the guy & i've even said to you previously that i'd be disappointed if he doesn't fight david b before he retires. unlike yourself i can be reasonable. if anyone's avoided artur it's dmitry. canelo didn't chase badou he propsed a fight & then moved on. hopefully we'll get the david b fight in the near future. canelo's fought a who's who of this era & will be a first ballot hall of famer
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TIC
it's just a bit of boxing banter. it doesn't really mean anything but gives us something to discuss at times
A little while back you said this... now you're claiming I'm "emotional"? LMAO. C'mon bro... don't lose the plot. If it "doesn't really mean anything", then why should either of us be emotional?
It seems to upset you that I don't share your "hero-worshipping" of Canelo, and... that I'm outspoken about it...and... that I bring up shit no one else does. Right? Most people seemed to sweep Canelo's shameless chasing of a drained Badou (for a bogus title) under the rug. But I came along and put it out there in bright lights, right? It's like the embarrassing secret someone uncovers and you just wish that person would go away, right?
What can I say, bro? I call 'em like I see 'em.
Hey... I did say Canelo was entertaining once he gets in the ring. That should count for something, right? ;D
it's just boxing banter for me but others can see how emtionally you are involved. it doesn't really mean anything to me. you're the one here tearing up a boxer
i'm never upset. i just highlight your exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards, canelo propsed a fight against a guy who weighed 32 pounds more than him in his previous fight
the problem is you don't call them as they are, you yourself have admitted to using hyperbole so i don't take what you type seriously & you are unable to see your double standards
canelo's fought a who's who of this era & will be a first ballot hall of famer
you avoided these questions
do you have issues with terence crawford moving straight up from welter to fight canelo at super middle?
do you have issues with naoya inoue moving up from super bantam to fight tank at lightweight?
do you consider dmitry a pound for pound top ten guy currently?
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Emotional?
LMAO... you don't know me well enough to make that assertion. I can tell you though, that I've never had this much fun raking Canelo over the coals. To watch you desperately trying to mount a defense of the redheaded bitch's pathetic moves is priceless.
Hall of Fame or not, he will leave with more than a few haters who have seen through his carefully constructed career like I have.
If anyone's emotional, it's you... who seem unable to come to grips with the fact that not everyone fawns over Canelo like you do. Tsk-tsk.... such is life.
Then again, you're a PrincessRy fan too, which gives me all the insight I need as to your tastes in boxing, and what you consider greatness.
It seems to matter a great deal to you that I don't share your fanboyhood of Canelo. Sorry... can't help you there. But thanks again for trying to mount a comical defense for Canelo avoiding Beterbiev, chasing after Badou trying to starve him to 180, ducking Benavidez, and basically revealing himself to be the bitch ass clown many people know he is.
BTW, @
NoSavingByTheBell I personally think "bitch ass clown" has more oomph. LOL.
"Bitch ass clown" I did ultimately choose as well. I'd gone with"red-headed bitch" til the early evening, then the clear choice came into view. Something about"red-headed bitch" reminded me more of the golden boy 😆😆😆
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TIC
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TitoFan
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TIC
it's just a bit of boxing banter. it doesn't really mean anything but gives us something to discuss at times
A little while back you said this... now you're claiming I'm "emotional"? LMAO. C'mon bro... don't lose the plot. If it "doesn't really mean anything", then why should either of us be emotional?
It seems to upset you that I don't share your "hero-worshipping" of Canelo, and... that I'm outspoken about it...and... that I bring up shit no one else does. Right? Most people seemed to sweep Canelo's shameless chasing of a drained Badou (for a bogus title) under the rug. But I came along and put it out there in bright lights, right? It's like the embarrassing secret someone uncovers and you just wish that person would go away, right?
What can I say, bro? I call 'em like I see 'em.
Hey... I did say Canelo was entertaining once he gets in the ring. That should count for something, right? ;D
it's just boxing banter for me but others can see how emtionally you are involved. it doesn't really mean anything to me. you're the one here tearing up a boxer
i'm never upset. i just highlight your exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards, canelo propsed a fight against a guy who weighed 32 pounds more than him in his previous fight
the problem is you don't call them as they are, you yourself have admitted to using hyperbole so i don't take what you type seriously & you are unable to see your double standards
canelo's fought a who's who of this era & will be a first ballot hall of famer
you avoided these questions
do you have issues with terence crawford moving straight up from welter to fight canelo at super middle?
do you have issues with naoya inoue moving up from super bantam to fight tank at lightweight?
do you consider dmitry a pound for pound top ten guy currently?
First, don't pretend to speak for others. Speak for yourself. That is the adult man thing to do. Second, the fact that you repeat the same phrase over and over again ("exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards") doesn't make any of your claims true. That's just another one of your trademark childish techniques you use, like when you repeat your bogus, outlandish claims about COVID. No one here takes you seriously, and yes... this time I'll make an exception to "not speaking for others" because everyone here knows just how deluded you've always been about the subject.
Your questions? I've answered the ones I see fit to answer. I've asked my own which you ignore. At that point I stop answering yours. That's the way the game is played, and when you put your big boy pants on, then you and I can engage in the boxing banter you previously claimed we were having.
It's perfectly clear that my opinions on Canelo bother you. And all you do is bring up irrelevant after irrelevant examples. Then you ask all these nonsensical and irrelevant questions, expecting answers, and claiming some sort of moral victory when they're not answered. I used to see these same arguing techniques in middle school, so you'll have to excuse me if sometimes I find myself questioning your age. Not your physical age... but your emotional one.
I know you have a pathological need to have the last word (another middle school style behavior), so obviously you'll have a retort to this. But this suddenly stopped being about Canelo... so I'll be leaving the conversation soon.
I know what really eats at you (LOL). It's my colorful list of adjectives for Canelo. Is this what offends you? Does it bother you personally when I refer to Canelo as a cherry-picking, coddled, redheaded diva, manufactured, trinket-grabbing, WBC teacher's pet (new one), judge-buying, ginger-haired, ducking & marinating bitch ass clown? Does this affect your emotions in any way? Does that prevent us from having that "boxing banter" you claim we have? Would you like me to stop using these colorful descriptions of Canelito? Does it really bother you that much? Are you so invested in Canelo fanboyism that these conversations hurt you?
Answer all my questions. Otherwise I'll "take the ball and go home."
It's just a boxing.forum, dude. Quit looking for confrontations, which you seem prone to do. After this I'll be going to have breakfast... and I'm sure you'll go back to your Etch-N-Sketch, Play-Dough, or whatever other activity it is that you're doing. Learn to live with differing opinions. You'll have a fuller and more rewarding life.
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"Bitch ass clown" I did ultimately choose as well. I'd gone with"red-headed bitch" til the early evening, then the clear choice came into view. Something about"red-headed bitch" reminded me more of the golden boy 😆😆😆
"Bitch ass clown" is short and sweet and just seems to roll off the tongue. But it lacks descriptive words like "ducking", "trinket-grabbing", "coddled", etc. "Bitch ass clown" isn't bad, though. It even lends itself to acronym use. BAC. Saves on typing time, if anything. What do you think?
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"Bitch ass clown" I did ultimately choose as well. I'd gone with"red-headed bitch" til the early evening, then the clear choice came into view. Something about"red-headed bitch" reminded me more of the golden boy 😆😆😆
"Bitch ass clown" is short and sweet and just seems to roll off the tongue. But it lacks descriptive words like "ducking", "trinket-grabbing", "coddled", etc. "Bitch ass clown" isn't bad, though. It even lends itself to acronym use. BAC. Saves on typing time, if anything. What do you think?
Bitch ass clown definitely has a kind of triple combo effect, like a jab, a straight right and a follow-up left hook. Bang Bang Bang. No need for any hyphens either. Whereas red-headed bitch is a pain in the ass to type and has more syllables.
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First, don't pretend to speak for others. Speak for yourself. That is the adult man thing to do. Second, the fact that you repeat the same phrase over and over again ("exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards") doesn't make any of your claims true. That's just another one of your trademark childish techniques you use, like when you repeat your bogus, outlandish claims about COVID. No one here takes you seriously, and yes... this time I'll make an exception to "not speaking for others" because everyone here knows just how deluded you've always been about the subject.
Your questions? I've answered the ones I see fit to answer. I've asked my own which you ignore. At that point I stop answering yours. That's the way the game is played, and when you put your big boy pants on, then you and I can engage in the boxing banter you previously claimed we were having.
It's perfectly clear that my opinions on Canelo bother you. And all you do is bring up irrelevant after irrelevant examples. Then you ask all these nonsensical and irrelevant questions, expecting answers, and claiming some sort of moral victory when they're not answered. I used to see these same arguing techniques in middle school, so you'll have to excuse me if sometimes I find myself questioning your age. Not your physical age... but your emotional one.
I know you have a pathological need to have the last word (another middle school style behavior), so obviously you'll have a retort to this. But this suddenly stopped being about Canelo... so I'll be leaving the conversation soon.
I know what really eats at you (LOL). It's my colorful list of adjectives for Canelo. Is this what offends you? Does it bother you personally when I refer to Canelo as a cherry-picking, coddled, redheaded diva, manufactured, trinket-grabbing, WBC teacher's pet (new one), judge-buying, ginger-haired, ducking & marinating bitch ass clown? Does this affect your emotions in any way? Does that prevent us from having that "boxing banter" you claim we have? Would you like me to stop using these colorful descriptions of Canelito? Does it really bother you that much? Are you so invested in Canelo fanboyism that these conversations hurt you?
Answer all my questions. Otherwise I'll "take the ball and go home."
It's just a boxing.forum, dude. Quit looking for confrontations, which you seem prone to do. After this I'll be going to have breakfast... and I'm sure you'll go back to your Etch-N-Sketch, Play-Dough, or whatever other activity it is that you're doing. Learn to live with differing opinions. You'll have a fuller and more rewarding life.
okay so it's fine for you to speak for others?
i repeat the same phrases because you bore me, what clsims are you referring to? i'm just giving my subjective opinions on canelo, you don't have to agree with them
i just ask people what they believe covid is & how they proved those beliefs are true. it's only outlandish to you because you are unable to prove your beliefs are true
answer what you want, no one is forcing you to do anything here
why would your opinons about canelo bother me? i'm not canelo. he's just a boxer that i've enjoyed watching over the years, somethings i've liked some things i've disliked about his career
am i not allowed to ask questions? you aren't forced to read them or respond
i have no need to have the last word but i'll respond if i feel like it. if you reply to this post does that make you the one with the pathological need to have the last word?
call canelo whatever you like. i'm all for free speech. why would i be offended by words on a screen? again i'm all for free speech, so please say what you like. i'm not canelo. i don't think he cares what you or i say on here. your words about a boxer don't bother me at all, as i said i'm all for free speech
it is just a boxing forum. i'll post what i like, are you trying to restrict my free speech? i'm happy you have your opinions. i hope your happy i have mine
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
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First, don't pretend to speak for others. Speak for yourself. That is the adult man thing to do. Second, the fact that you repeat the same phrase over and over again ("exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards") doesn't make any of your claims true. That's just another one of your trademark childish techniques you use, like when you repeat your bogus, outlandish claims about COVID. No one here takes you seriously, and yes... this time I'll make an exception to "not speaking for others" because everyone here knows just how deluded you've always been about the subject.
Your questions? I've answered the ones I see fit to answer. I've asked my own which you ignore. At that point I stop answering yours. That's the way the game is played, and when you put your big boy pants on, then you and I can engage in the boxing banter you previously claimed we were having.
It's perfectly clear that my opinions on Canelo bother you. And all you do is bring up irrelevant after irrelevant examples. Then you ask all these nonsensical and irrelevant questions, expecting answers, and claiming some sort of moral victory when they're not answered. I used to see these same arguing techniques in middle school, so you'll have to excuse me if sometimes I find myself questioning your age. Not your physical age... but your emotional one.
I know you have a pathological need to have the last word (another middle school style behavior), so obviously you'll have a retort to this. But this suddenly stopped being about Canelo... so I'll be leaving the conversation soon.
I know what really eats at you (LOL). It's my colorful list of adjectives for Canelo. Is this what offends you? Does it bother you personally when I refer to Canelo as a cherry-picking, coddled, redheaded diva, manufactured, trinket-grabbing, WBC teacher's pet (new one), judge-buying, ginger-haired, ducking & marinating bitch ass clown? Does this affect your emotions in any way? Does that prevent us from having that "boxing banter" you claim we have? Would you like me to stop using these colorful descriptions of Canelito? Does it really bother you that much? Are you so invested in Canelo fanboyism that these conversations hurt you?
Answer all my questions. Otherwise I'll "take the ball and go home."
It's just a boxing.forum, dude. Quit looking for confrontations, which you seem prone to do. After this I'll be going to have breakfast... and I'm sure you'll go back to your Etch-N-Sketch, Play-Dough, or whatever other activity it is that you're doing. Learn to live with differing opinions. You'll have a fuller and more rewarding life.
okay so it's fine for you to speak for others?
i repeat the same phrases because you bore me, what clsims are you referring to? i'm just giving my subjective opinions on canelo, you don't have to agree with them
i just ask people what they believe covid is & how they proved those beliefs are true. it's only outlandish to you because you are unable to prove your beliefs are true
answer what you want, no one is forcing you to do anything here
why would your opinons about canelo bother me? i'm not canelo. he's just a boxer that i've enjoyed watching over the years, somethings i've liked some things i've disliked about his career
am i not allowed to ask questions? you aren't forced to read them or respond
i have no need to have the last word but i'll respond if i feel like it. if you reply to this post does that make you the one with the pathological need to have the last word?
call canelo whatever you like. i'm all for free speech. why would i be offended by words on a screen? again i'm all for free speech, so please say what you like. i'm not canelo. i don't think he cares what you or i say on here. your words about a boxer don't bother me at all, as i said i'm all for free speech
it is just a boxing forum. i'll post what i like, are you trying to restrict my free speech? i'm happy you have your opinions. i hope your happy i have mine
Yeah. People that answer your drivel with logic bore you. I understand perfectly. So... can we safely presume this is the end of our current "boxing banter that doesn't really mean anything and is just a way to pass the time"? (Just quoting what you said to another poster earlier).
Well good. I'm relieved you're not offended by my referring to Canelo as a coddled, diva, cherry-picking, trinket-grabbing, manufactured, redheaded BAC.
It's been real. Later.
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
you don't use logic you use exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards
why would i be offended by words?
bye
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TIC
you don't use logic you use exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards
why would i be offended by words?
bye
Coming from you, your words don't mean jackshit. You're tolerated here for some strange reason, and have been given more than your fair share of rope by some of the more forgiving mods on here. But don't take that to mean you won't get back what you're dishing in super-sized portions.
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why would i be offended by words?
But back to Canelo.
Do I take it then that you wouldn't be interested in participating in a new thread trying to come up with new nicknames for Canelo?
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"Bitch ass clown" I did ultimately choose as well. I'd gone with"red-headed bitch" til the early evening, then the clear choice came into view. Something about"red-headed bitch" reminded me more of the golden boy 😆😆😆
"Bitch ass clown" is short and sweet and just seems to roll off the tongue. But it lacks descriptive words like "ducking", "trinket-grabbing", "coddled", etc. "Bitch ass clown" isn't bad, though. It even lends itself to acronym use. BAC. Saves on typing time, if anything. What do you think?
Bitch ass clown definitely has a kind of triple combo effect, like a jab, a straight right and a follow-up left hook. Bang Bang Bang. No need for any hyphens either. Whereas red-headed bitch is a pain in the ass to type and has more syllables.
I like how you made this about boxing. Jab, straight right, and follow-up left hook indeed... ;D
I can picture it in my mind. Maybe something David B would say as he's using that same combo on Ginger. "Bitch"... POW!... "ass"... POW!... "clown"... POW! "And this is what you get for avoiding me so much and making me wait!!"
Yeah. Less syllables. BAC are all one-syllable words. Flows right off the tongue.
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
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TitoFan
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TIC
you don't use logic you use exaggerations, hyperbole & double standards
why would i be offended by words?
bye
Coming from you, your words don't mean jackshit. You're tolerated here for some strange reason, and have been given more than your fair share of rope by some of the more forgiving mods on here. But don't take that to mean you won't get back what you're dishing in super-sized portions.
so you're against free speech & happy for others to be censored? the mods allowed other members to make threats of physical violence against other members & one mod & another member were giving out medical advice so it would be hypocritical of them to worry about my words & questions
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TitoFan
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TIC
why would i be offended by words?
But back to Canelo.
Do I take it then that you wouldn't be interested in participating in a new thread trying to come up with new nicknames for Canelo?
i'm good with canelo but you do you
