Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
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Calzaghe pulling a Tarver trying to make Hopkins move down is he? How about Calzaghe move up, so that when he loses he can still keep his titles. And I have no clue why you think that Hopkins somehow dodged Calzaghe. You'd have a better chance saying that James Toney dodged him too. But whenever I heard of Calzaghe on other sites a few years ago, he was always calling out someone called Chicken Ottke. So I don't see how Hopkins dodged him.
The last time I saw it, it was Tarver coming down off the blubberman kick....
You are showing a complete ignorance of boxing with this shite you are saying. Hopkins could have faced Calzaghe years ago. But he didnt. And he wont ever.
You have seen Calzaghe fight perhaps 2 times max....get an education!!! ;D
Prove to me that Calzaghe tried to make that fight with Hopkins. Because it sounds like you're taking opinion and assumption and trying to make it fact. And downgrading me won't prove a point. Unless you can prove fact that Calzaghe tried to make that fight. And I dont mean an interview where Calzaghe said "I would like to fight Hopkins, Toney all of them." I mean an actual attempt at a purse bit that his promoter and Hopkins promoter(whether it was Dibella, or Duva at the time) tried to make. Until then you only have your opinion which you're entitled to. But don't try to pass it off as fact and try to make yourself look big by trying to diss me. You will just make an ass out of yourself and we don't need that.
Here's the proof Gus. Hope this helps. ;)
Calzaghe: I'll fight Hopkins anywhere
Friday July 4, 2003
Joe Calzaghe, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, is prepared to travel to the United States to face the world's No1 middleweight Bernard Hopkins in what is seen as a career-defining fight for the undefeated Welshman.
"This is the fight I have wanted above all others for the last few years," he said, "and it is the one the boxing world wants."
Since Calzaghe's two-round win over the highly rated Byron Mitchell in Cardiff on Saturday, Hopkins, 38, has said he would be prepared step up to super-middleweight and face him, but only if the fight takes place before the end of next January and only if it is in the US.
"I have no problems taking the fight on his territory," said the 31-year-old Calzaghe. "My message to him is: 'You want it, you got it.' He can have it anywhere and any time."
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands.
Warren has confirmed he is trying to reopen negotiations. "But he has had opportunities to make money since [beating Felix] Trinidad [in 2001] and has walked away. He is the only fighter I know who seems hell-bent on going from Park Lane to Brick Lane."
Calzaghe underlined his determination to get the fight, laying down a challenge to Hopkins. "Don't find an excuse to let our fight slip away," he said. "I have taken up your challenge to face you in America, so honour your words."
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html
CC for the article I asked for
But I still don't see how that's ducking.
Hopkins said "I want this much money" The promoters said "To hell with it" and the fight fell through. It would be ducking imo if Hopkins said he wouldn't fight him at all(like what Lennox Lewis did to Byrd and Ruiz).
If thats true then I wouldn't call what Hopkins is doing ducking.
And lets me frank here, back then in the US people would only be tuning in to see what Hopkins would do next and it wouldn't be that big of a sell since Calzaghe wasnt the name then that he is now. I think we could all agree on that. If the fight were to happen today then you have a huge fight, but back then, not really huge fight, not as huge as it would be.
Thats my opinion of it anyway.
Well I think you're being a bit naive here Gus. Pricing yourself OUT can be for only one reason - you dont want to fight.
The $3 millon dollars for the Calzaghe fight would of been Hopkins career highest purse. (He got $2.5 million against Trinidad)
Hopkins then went on to face Hakkar, Joppy etc for no where near as much. Around $300,000 DOLLARS!!! for the Joppy fight.
Hey I dont blame Hopkins for not fighting Calzaghe. If he had took the fight he'd of most likely blown the Oscar fight and his chance to make an easy $10 million dollars. He's a smart guy.
Calzaghe takes the flak for not fighting the superstars but theres nothing he can do about it if they're not willing to face him. ;)
"Well I think you're being a bit naive here Gus. Pricing yourself OUT can be for only one reason - you dont want to fight."
Thats your opinion. I don't think thats so.
"Hopkins then went on to face Hakkar, Joppy etc for no where near as much. Around $300,000 DOLLARS!!! for the Joppy fight."
And looking at his career right now I wouldn't say he's made bad choices would you?
"Hey I dont blame Hopkins for not fighting Calzaghe. If he had took the fight he'd of most likely blown the Oscar fight and his chance to make an easy $10 million dollars. He's a smart guy."
Something Joe has never done but I'll get to my point in a minute
"Calzaghe takes the flak for not fighting the superstars but theres nothing he can do about it if they're not willing to face him. ;)"
Ok here's my point. Warren COULD have said yes to Hopkins and then we'd have a fight. And there would be a fight. So even if Hopkins made it pricy he would have fought Calzaghe if 'yes' was said. Is that correct?
And stop me if I'm wrong here, but is that the ONLY time that Calzaghe ever tried to make a fight with Hopkins?
Why didn't he do it anytime afterwards? And say something other then "because Hopkins would price himself out again"
And you make comparisons on how much money Hopkins made with the turned down offer, how many did Joe make? And who did he fight after that?
My point is that after that, Hopkins made better choices and made more money then Calzaghe, who if he is so enameured in his own porential legacy he would have tried to make those same decisions as well.
Am I right?
So the flak Joe takes for not fighting the best I'm not very convinced that Hopkins ducked him in any way, and I don't see Joe trying to fight anyone else "great" around that time, do you? He said he'd gladly come to the states to fight hopkins ok. This fight falls through, Hopkisn goes on his legacy. Why didn't Calzaghe COME to the states and make a name for himself and some noise to actually bring attention to him calling out Hopkins? Make it a popular fight where the media is actually clamoring for it. Because of that ONE article you found it doesn't convince me in the least that anyoen would have payed much attention to it over here. The jury was still out on Calzaghe until that Lacy victory and Calzaghe could have gotten that recognition if he had fought fighters to make a name for himself over here. Like I said..if he was so desperate for the fight then after that fall through why didn't he come to the states and make some noise to marit a fight with him and Hopkins? Why did he stay overseas and only make noise there? How many times was he on Showtime after that? How many times was Hopkins on HBO? Who was seen more by a world audience?
Alright then, thats my point. If you don't understand something I'll help you.
But I'm going to be getting a real look at Joe this Saturday so I can critique him. Then I'll see how consistant he is :)
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Thats your opinion. I don't think thats so
Name some other reasons why you would PRICE YOURSELF OUT?
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And looking at his career right now I wouldn't say he's made bad choices would you?
Certainlty not. Ducking Calzaghe was a wise move.
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Something Joe has never done but I'll get to my point in a minute
Hang on. What do you mean something Joe has never done? Duck anyone? I make you right.
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Ok here's my point. Warren COULD have said yes to Hopkins and then we'd have a fight. And there would be a fight. So even if Hopkins made it pricy he would have fought Calzaghe if 'yes' was said. Is that correct?
err righto Gus. ::** You clearly haven't got a clue how the boxing buisness works. Hey Ive got some cheap sea front property in Birmingham for sale if you're interested?
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And stop me if I'm wrong here, but is that the ONLY time that Calzaghe ever tried to make a fight with Hopkins?
Stop. Look at the title of the thread. ::** Heres some more for ya http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...003211,00.html
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Why didn't he do it anytime afterwards?
err he did Gus, look up.
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And say something other then "because Hopkins would price himself out again
When did he say this Gus?
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And you make comparisons on how much money Hopkins made with the turned down offer, how many did Joe make? And who did he fight after that?
He fought people that didn't duck him.
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My point is that after that, Hopkins made better choices and made more money then Calzaghe, who if he is so enameured in his own porential legacy he would have tried to make those same decisions as well.
Exactly! If he didn't duck Calzaghe he wouldn't of made that lovely easy Oscar money. Why do you think Calzaghe has been chasing Hopkins?
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Am I right?
About Hopkins making more money through ducking Cazlaghe, for sure Gus.
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So the flak Joe takes for not fighting the best I'm not very convinced that Hopkins ducked him in any way, and I don't see Joe trying to fight anyone else "great" around that time, do you? He said he'd gladly come to the states to fight hopkins ok. This fight falls through, Hopkisn goes on his legacy. Why didn't Calzaghe COME to the states and make a name for himself and some noise to actually bring attention to him calling out Hopkins? Make it a popular fight where the media is actually clamoring for it. Because of that ONE article you found it doesn't convince me in the least that anyoen would have payed much attention to it over here. The jury was still out on Calzaghe until that Lacy victory and Calzaghe could have gotten that recognition if he had fought fighters to make a name for himself over here. Like I said..if he was so desperate for the fight then after that fall through why didn't he come to the states and make some noise to marit a fight with him and Hopkins? Why did he stay overseas and only make noise there? How many times was he on Showtime after that? How many times was Hopkins on HBO? Who was seen more by a world audience?
OK Just answer me this - What possible reason could there be for Hopkins to turn down a $3 million dollar career highest pay day - to fight a nobody like Calzaghe - and instead fight such illustrious names like Hakkar and Joppy for $300,000 DOLLARS!?!?!
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Alright then, thats my point. If you don't understand something I'll help you.
Thanks Gus.
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But I'm going to be getting a real look at Joe this Saturday so I can critique him
Good. Maybe you'll see why Hopkins ducked him. ;D
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Then I'll see how consistant he is
130-2 Amateur record, 41-0 longest reigning current world champion. I'd say he's pretty consistant ;)
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
Hopking almost got knocked down by JT in each of their fights and he only fought in the later rounds when JT tired. Joe doesn't tire late and throws a much higher volume of punches than JT so how is Hopkins going to defend against that? The answer: he won't.
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
I do not know whatever you guys said before but I'm willing to pay for that fight
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Thats your opinion. I don't think thats so
Name some other reasons why you would
PRICE YOURSELF OUT?
Make more money ::**
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And looking at his career right now I wouldn't say he's made bad choices would you?
Certainlty not. Ducking Calzaghe was a wise move.
he didn't duck Calzaghe.
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Something Joe has never done but I'll get to my point in a minute
Hang on. What do you mean something Joe has never done? Duck anyone? I make you right.
No.. have two megafights against two lights of your generation ;) is something Joe has never done.
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Ok here's my point. Warren COULD have said yes to Hopkins and then we'd have a fight. And there would be a fight. So even if Hopkins made it pricy he would have fought Calzaghe if 'yes' was said. Is that correct?
err righto Gus. ::** You clearly haven't got a clue how the boxing buisness works. Hey Ive got some cheap sea front property in Birmingham for sale if you're interested?
You didn't answer my question
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And you make comparisons on how much money Hopkins made with the turned down offer, how many did Joe make? And who did he fight after that?
He fought people that didn't duck him.
he fought nobodies until Lacy who wasn't ready for Joe to begin with. I've looked at his record and don't recognize any name in their prime. I recognized the name Chris Eubank but that seemed way outside of his prime.
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My point is that after that, Hopkins made better choices and made more money then Calzaghe, who if he is so enameured in his own porential legacy he would have tried to make those same decisions as well.
Exactly! If he didn't duck Calzaghe he wouldn't of made that lovely easy Oscar money. Why do you think Calzaghe has been chasing Hopkins?
Calzaghe was chasing Sven Ottke to my knowledge more so then he was chasing Hopkins. And you didn't answer my question that "if he is so enameured in his own porential legacy he would have tried to make those same decisions as well" All you said was thats why he was chasing Hopkins, my question to you is why didn't he chase anyone else? or unify the titles at 168 and make a name for himself? Why did he just stick to his WBO title and never once try to unify?
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So the flak Joe takes for not fighting the best I'm not very convinced that Hopkins ducked him in any way, and I don't see Joe trying to fight anyone else "great" around that time, do you? He said he'd gladly come to the states to fight hopkins ok. This fight falls through, Hopkisn goes on his legacy. Why didn't Calzaghe COME to the states and make a name for himself and some noise to actually bring attention to him calling out Hopkins? Make it a popular fight where the media is actually clamoring for it. Because of that ONE article you found it doesn't convince me in the least that anyoen would have payed much attention to it over here. The jury was still out on Calzaghe until that Lacy victory and Calzaghe could have gotten that recognition if he had fought fighters to make a name for himself over here. Like I said..if he was so desperate for the fight then after that fall through why didn't he come to the states and make some noise to marit a fight with him and Hopkins? Why did he stay overseas and only make noise there? How many times was he on Showtime after that? How many times was Hopkins on HBO? Who was seen more by a world audience?
OK Just answer me this - What possible reason could there be for Hopkins to turn down a $3 million dollar career highest pay day - to fight a nobody like Calzaghe - and instead fight such illustrious names like Hakkar and Joppy for $300,000 DOLLARS!?!?!
Only if you answer me why Calzaghe didn't go on to unify the titles and fight other people to merit a match with him and Hopkins in which they BOTH could have made money.
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But I'm going to be getting a real look at Joe this Saturday so I can critique him
Good. Maybe you'll see why Hopkins ducked him. ;D
I didn't see anything special. He's inconsistant and didnt even look half as good as Lacy made him look. I told you I would watch on Saturday to really get a good look at Calzaghe and he looked like a Hamed wannabe until he got popped in the face and made to bleed. If thats Calzaghe then I don't know what the big deal was. He didn't look half as good as Lacy made him look.
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Then I'll see how consistant he is
130-2 Amateur record, 41-0 longest reigning current world champion. I'd say he's pretty consistant ;)
He's not consistant everytime he fights level of opposition, he fights down to the level of his opponent. Thats what will always seperate him from the likes of Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins who would fight there level in every fight of their prime whether it was Joe Below or Ninja Turtle. After all that talk Joe was a big letdown imo. I can't seem to look as good as he did against Lacy consistantly. Or maybe that has something to do with the opponent and not Joe, actually it has a lot to do with Joe. Either way, Joe didn't impress me in the least this weekend and can't seem to avoid straight right hands, is open in between those flurries and brings his hands back down. Lacy made him look like a world beater because he didn't do anything about it, but it seems that Joe aint as good as Lacy made him look to be, otherwise I would expect him to dominate like that everytime out, and he'll never be in Hopkins or Roy Jones' league until he has that consistancy imo.
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
How old is Hopkins now? He should be easy to beat. Isn't he past 40?
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Thats your opinion. I don't think thats so
Name some other reasons why you would
PRICE YOURSELF OUT?
Make more money ::**
What money Gus? OUT?!?! Don't you understand the OUT part? He made NOTHING, 0, SHIT!!!
Come on Gus, Just one little reason, thats all, one reason why someone would price themselves OUT of a fight?
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Something Joe has never done but I'll get to my point in a minute
Hang on. What do you mean something Joe has never done? Duck anyone? I make you right.
No.. have two megafights against two lights of your generation ;) is something Joe has never done.
I wonder why Gus, it wouldn't have something to do with being DUCKED!!! would it?
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Ok here's my point. Warren COULD have said yes to Hopkins and then we'd have a fight. And there would be a fight. So even if Hopkins made it pricy he would have fought Calzaghe if 'yes' was said. Is that correct?
err righto Gus. ::** You clearly haven't got a clue how the boxing buisness works. Hey Ive got some cheap sea front property in Birmingham for sale if you're interested?
You didn't answer my question
Sorry Gus but what you suggest is pretty embarrassing...I think you're showing a bit of naivety, cause you probably don't understand how purses work etc, but to make it easy for you, if they agreed to his demands for double the price and gave him $6m what is there to stop Hopkins doubling again to $12m, or how about doubling again to $24m, you get where this is heading Gus? How about Calzaghe, should he let Hopkins have ALL the money and he fight for NOTHING? Using your logic, I guess he should of, a Gus, at least we would of had a fight. ::**
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And you make comparisons on how much money Hopkins made with the turned down offer, how many did Joe make? And who did he fight after that?
He fought people that didn't duck him.
he fought nobodies until Lacy who wasn't ready for Joe to begin with. I've looked at his record and don't recognize any name in their prime. I recognized the name Chris Eubank but that seemed way outside of his prime.
This has nothing to do with BHOP ducking him....But you not recognising the names is down to your lack of boxing knowledge Gus. There's guys that have held WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF titles on his record.
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My point is that after that, Hopkins made better choices and made more money then Calzaghe, who if he is so enameured in his own porential legacy he would have tried to make those same decisions as well.
Exactly! If he didn't duck Calzaghe he wouldn't of made that lovely easy Oscar money. Why do you think Calzaghe has been chasing Hopkins?
Calzaghe was chasing Sven Ottke to my knowledge more so then he was chasing Hopkins. And you didn't answer my question that "if he is so enameured in his own porential legacy he would have tried to make those same decisions as well" All you said was thats why he was chasing Hopkins, my question to you is why didn't he chase anyone else? or unify the titles at 168 and make a name for himself? Why did he just stick to his WBO title and never once try to unify?
Why do you think he was/still chasing Hopkins? Why do think Ottke didn't want to fight? I'll leave it to Joe - “Come on Ottke you are claiming to be the best in the division, stop running like a chicken and face a real challenge for once. You luckily beat Robin Reid, who I defeated nearly five years ago and Byron Mitchell, who I stopped inside two rounds, which took you twelve rounds. Put your belts on the line against mine and lets see who’s the best and I will gladly go to Germany and beat you.”
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OK Just answer me this - What possible reason could there be for Hopkins to turn down a $3 million dollar career highest pay day - to fight a nobody like Calzaghe - and instead fight such illustrious names like Hakkar and Joppy for $300,000 DOLLARS!?!?!
Only if you answer me why Calzaghe didn't go on to unify the titles and fight other people to merit a match with him and Hopkins in which they BOTH could have made money.
That has nothing to do with this. Hopkins was offered a career highest pay day. But I'll answer anyway. They ducked him like Hopkins did. OK? Now answer my question.
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But I'm going to be getting a real look at Joe this Saturday so I can critique him
Good. Maybe you'll see why Hopkins ducked him. ;D
I didn't see anything special. He's inconsistant and didnt even look half as good as Lacy made him look. I told you I would watch on Saturday to really get a good look at Calzaghe and he looked like a Hamed wannabe until he got popped in the face and made to bleed. If thats Calzaghe then I don't know what the big deal was. He didn't look half as good as Lacy made him look.
You shouldn't judge a fighter by one performance Gus. Would you class the Roy Jones that got hammered by Tarver and Johnson anything special? In all of Roys great performances was it the opposition fighting poor fights, or having "off" nights, that made him look so special, or was it because Jones has special talent?
Hopefully Hopkins thinks like you and will be prepared to face him now.
Inconsistant? 130-2 Amateur record, 42-0 longest reigning current world champion. ;)
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
i think if they do ever fight its a bout thats going the distance. hopkins will try and be cute but calzaghes southpaw style would edge it
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Still haven't seen the fight yet but even if he didn't look spectacular, it wasn't too long ago Hopkins looked terrible against Joppy and Eastman...
Was the fight exciting though?
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
Taylor lost to Wright IMO, but took it to the limits. Calzaghe has greater skills and output than Taylor and is bigger. Hopkins is old and lost to Taylor because of a limited output in the second fight especially so....
Would you care to add more to your critique?
I'll add. Granted I've seen a lot less of Calzaghe than most of you Brits, but every time I've seen him fight, his punches have looked extremely wide, and he's looked incredibly open right up the middle. That straight lead right is one of Hopkins' favorite punches, and I think he'd have about a 100% connect rate on it against Calzaghe.
Calzaghe is very quick and throws some creative combinations. I don't think his power is very good, and again, though his combos are quick, they are very wide and leave him incredibly open. That's fine and good against second-rate fighters like Jeff Lacy, but against a master technician like Hopkins or Wright, he would pay. I could be wrong, and he could switch everything up the first time he steps up to world class competition, but there's no evidence I've seen that would suggest this.
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Thing is Hopkins is retired so to make a Calzaghe fight ain't that easy, its fine for Calzaghe to start calling out Hopkins now that hes retired. Why doesn't Calzaghe call out Taylor or Wright who are both active. If Hopkins comes back he wants a challenge & IMO taking on the heavies is a bigger challenge than a super-middleweight.
He calls them out all the time.
"I would love to come out and fight," Calzaghe said. "I thought if the title fight was going to happen, then I would have come to America then and fight with Hopkins. Even if the fight was with Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor, yes, I would be willing to come. But unfortunately those people are sort of eluding me because Roy Jones got himself beat and Hopkins has retired. So we will have to wait and see. But it would be great to fight at least one fight in America."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2621395
Oh and as you can see on a previous post of mine Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years, he hasn't waited until Hopkins retired. ;)
Good points bro, but in my book its one thing to say sh*t & another to do it. Action speak louder than words shall we say. Either way Calzaghe fights Hopkins he loses, same goes for if he fights Wright. I think he beats Taylor though.
Would you care to break down why exactly Wright or Hopkins beat Calzaghe at this stage in their careers?
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Wrights jab & defense, Hopkins' experience & all round ability. Basically I think both guys are technically better than Calzaghe. IMO opinion gets a lesson from Wright & loses a decision to Hopkins as Hopkins makes it a sloppy boring fight.
Taylor lost to Wright IMO, but took it to the limits. Calzaghe has greater skills and output than Taylor and is bigger. Hopkins is old and lost to Taylor because of a limited output in the second fight especially so....
Would you care to add more to your critique?
I'll add. Granted I've seen a lot less of Calzaghe than most of you Brits, but every time I've seen him fight, his punches have looked extremely wide, and he's looked incredibly open right up the middle. That straight lead right is one of Hopkins' favorite punches, and I think he'd have about a 100% connect rate on it against Calzaghe.
Calzaghe is very quick and throws some creative combinations. I don't think his power is very good, and again, though his combos are quick, they are very wide and leave him incredibly open. That's fine and good against second-rate fighters like Jeff Lacy, but against a master technician like Hopkins or Wright, he would pay. I could be wrong, and he could switch everything up the first time he steps up to world class competition, but there's no evidence I've seen that would suggest this.
Hopkins would indeed land the straight right. But only when he is confident enough to throw that punch which in recent times is only after a fight has reached its latter stages. Hopkins is 42 years old!! He is not going to get any better than he was in his mid to late 30's. Calzaghe is a busy bee who swarms. Hopkins has not faced a fighter like that in many a year. Hopkins is a defensive wiz, but Calzaghes output is absurdly high when need be.
Hops would have his hands full. He could survive by being evasive...but the Calzaghe flurries will get through eventually. We arent used to seeing Hopkins hit flush too much, but Calzaghe would hit him square and frequently...
Shza, im as much a fan of Hopkins as Calzaghe and thats the main reason why this fight shouldnt happen. Hopkins will need to retire the way most fighters do....better he stays out like this with full dignity intact...
And my advice is to aquire more Calzaghe fights...
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Sorry Gus but what you suggest is pretty embarrassing...I think you're showing a bit of naivety, cause you probably don't understand how purses work etc, but to make it easy for you, if they agreed to his demands for double the price and gave him $6m what is there to stop Hopkins doubling again to $12m, or how about doubling again to $24m, you get where this is heading Gus? How about Calzaghe, should he let Hopkins have ALL the money and he fight for NOTHING? Using your logic, I guess he should of, a Gus, at least we would of had a fight. ::**
And yet you still haven't answered my question. Would the fight had come off if Warren said yes. Yes or no?
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That has nothing to do with this. Hopkins was offered a career highest pay day. But I'll answer anyway. They ducked him like Hopkins did. OK? Now answer my question.
Funny, I don't see any headlines that Beyer or Eric Lucas ducked Calzaghe ;)
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But I'm going to be getting a real look at Joe this Saturday so I can critique him
Good. Maybe you'll see why Hopkins ducked him. ;D
I didn't see anything special. He's inconsistant and didnt even look half as good as Lacy made him look. I told you I would watch on Saturday to really get a good look at Calzaghe and he looked like a Hamed wannabe until he got popped in the face and made to bleed. If thats Calzaghe then I don't know what the big deal was. He didn't look half as good as Lacy made him look.
You shouldn't judge a fighter by one performance Gus. Would you class the Roy Jones that got hammered by Tarver and Johnson anything special? In all of Roys great performances was it the opposition fighting poor fights, or having "off" nights, that made him look so special, or was it because Jones has special talent?
Roy was out of his prime. Calzaghe is supposed to be IN HIS. Can you name me 2 Roy Jones fights he looked bad in where you'd say "This guy can beat him" in his prime?
Re: Calzaghe: Give me Hopkins next
I think Calzaghe would easily outwork B-Hop, Dont get me wrong hopkins is a true hall of famer and a briliant boxer.But fighting Calzaghe woud be a step too far, he's such a dangerous fighter and a slick southpaw. Hopkins had great stamina and is a brilliant counter puncher but Calzaghe would throw lighting combo's all night and i doubt Hopkins could avoid them all IMO. It would probably go the distance unless JC can avoid any hand problems in which case he may be able to throw some of those huge bombs we saw earlier in his career. Even in his fight against Mitchell a couple of years ago you could see his power.Ive watched nearly every one of Calzaghe's fights and he wasnt anywhere near his best against bika. But he'd be well up for Hopkins, JC by UD IMO.
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I think Calzaghe would easily outwork B-Hop, Dont get me wrong hopkins is a true hall of famer and a briliant boxer.But fighting Calzaghe woud be a step too far, he's such a dangerous fighter and a slick southpaw. Hopkins had great stamina and is a brilliant counter puncher but Calzaghe would throw lighting combo's all night and i doubt Hopkins could avoid them all IMO. It would probably go the distance unless JC can avoid any hand problems in which case he may be able to throw some of those huge bombs we saw earlier in his career. Even in his fight against Mitchell a couple of years ago you could see his power.Ive watched nearly every one of Calzaghe's fights and he wasnt anywhere near his best against bika. But he'd be well up for Hopkins, JC by UD IMO.
Hopkins wouldn't have to avoid all the combos since Joe leaves himself wide open down the middle when he throws them, he's also have to avoid Hopkins straight right all night and that wouldn't happen since Joe gets hit with those. Don't expect Bernard to fight a defensive fight all night, Hopkins can do it going backwards and going forward and he could catch Calzaghe with straight rights before Calzaghe can plant his feet to throw combinations.
I think Bernard would beat Joe.
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Roy was out of his prime. Calzaghe is supposed to be IN HIS. Can you name me 2 Roy Jones fights he looked bad in where you'd say "This guy can beat him" in his prime?
Hmm I dunno about Calzaghe being at his absolute best, approaching the age of 35 (still pretty god damn great though). And I'm with ya on the Jones thing, he was a freak (also out of Bernard and Joe's league :))
