Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats
anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
He's spot on people.
Miguel is yet to prove sh*t to me as well.
Who has he fought of any real substance?
Quintana is by no means a 'judging stick' for anyone and retired on his stool at the end of the day ;)
Fact is that Cotto has yet to be really tested.
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats
anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
Quintana fought at the playboy mansion, can anyone Ricky fought say that? I rest my case ;)
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats
anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
The thing that is fueling all of this is that he looked so much better than what Hatton did at 147. Whatever the reasons were for Hattons problems with his fight (started training for a fight at 140 but then had to change for 147, lead to improper preparation, etc...) Cotto did look a lot better. Everybody knows you can not compare resumes, the best you can do is try to compare common opponents, but that really doesnt work because we all know promoters styles make fights.
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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Originally Posted by Smashup
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats
anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
He's spot on people.
Miguel is yet to prove sh*t to me as well.
Who has he fought of any real substance?
Quintana is by no means a 'judging stick' for anyone and retired on his stool at the end of the day ;)
Fact is that Cotto has yet to be really tested.
So as a measuring stick would you say that Hatton could beat Quintana so convincingly? Don't be so quick to write off Quintana, he still has a role to play in the WW division, the boy has skills.
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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The thing that is fueling all of this is that he looked so much better than what Hatton did at 147. Whatever the reasons were for Hattons problems with his fight (started training for a fight at 140 but then had to change for 147, lead to improper preparation, etc...) Cotto did look a lot better. Everybody knows you can not compare resumes, the best you can do is try to compare common opponents, but that really doesnt work because we all know promoters styles make fights.
Indeed ;)
I'm just trying to put some perspective on it. I'm not here to piss on anyones bonfire but if it was the other way round I certainly wouldn't be crowing that Hatton beat Quintana and therefore beats all the Sugars past and present...
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Smashup
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats
anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
He's spot on people.
Miguel is yet to prove sh*t to me as well.
Who has he fought of any real substance?
Quintana is by no means a 'judging stick' for anyone and retired on his stool at the end of the day ;)
Fact is that Cotto has yet to be really tested.
So as a measuring stick would you say that Hatton could beat Quintana so convincingly? Don't be so quick to write off Quintana, he still has a role to play in the WW division, the boy has skills.
Audley Harrison has skills too ;)
You can't train a fighter to have guts which is why he quit on his stool 8)
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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The thing that is fueling all of this is that he looked so much better than what Hatton did at 147. Whatever the reasons were for Hattons problems with his fight (started training for a fight at 140 but then had to change for 147, lead to improper preparation, etc...) Cotto did look a lot better. Everybody knows you can not compare resumes, the best you can do is try to compare common opponents, but that really doesnt work because we all know promoters styles make fights.
Indeed ;)
I'm just trying to put some perspective on it. I'm not here to piss on anyones bonfire but if it was the other way round I certainly wouldn't be crowing that Hatton beat Quintana and therefore beats all the Sugars past and present...
Not all the Sugars, just Hatton
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So as a measuring stick would you say that Hatton could beat Quintana so convincingly?
'So what' :dontknow:
Same as I did when he scraped past Collazo..and I'll be the same assuming all goes to plan against Urango.
Lets not try and polish turds here; They're stepping stone fights. Nothing more.
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats
anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
I didn't say he beats anyone,merely Hatton ;D
Well Hatton didn't look comfortable at the weight and JUST ABOUT got the W,didn't you expect more?Secondly,Quintana was chosen by a number of fans from here,other forums and even some experts.
Maussa0beat him before Hatton,looked just as good against a more awkward version
Sosa-tough fighter looked decent against PBF
Ndou-strong as a bull,Hatton turned down chance to fight him
Pinto-unbeaten banger,beat Cotto in amatuers,also could have fought Hatton but didn't
Corely,-world ranked challenger,took PBF and Judah the distance
Abdullaev-Olympian,beat Cotto in amatuers
Torres-undefeated banger,went on to win world title
Branco-only lost once,to Gatti
Malignaggi-slick,fast,Cotto dismantled him. Future world champ
Quintana-world ranked WW
It's not just that they are all decent/good fighters,they have mostly been young,unbeaten,hungry. And it is the manner in which Cotto has beaten them whether it be fighting front foot,back foot,stalking them etc etc showing his versatility.
Hatton beat Mauusa,Tszyu,Collazo......oh and Magee,Phillips and Tackie..
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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The thing that is fueling all of this is that he looked so much better than what Hatton did at 147. Whatever the reasons were for Hattons problems with his fight (started training for a fight at 140 but then had to change for 147, lead to improper preparation, etc...) Cotto did look a lot better. Everybody knows you can not compare resumes, the best you can do is try to compare common opponents, but that really doesnt work because we all know promoters styles make fights.
Indeed ;)
I'm just trying to put some perspective on it. I'm not here to piss on anyones bonfire but if it was the other way round I certainly wouldn't be crowing that Hatton beat Quintana and therefore beats all the Sugars past and present...
Also,you're over hyping the situation yourself,where do I or Killersheep,the 2 main peeps you've been debating with,say Cotto is the best etc etc?? Stop over exagerrating
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Originally Posted by Smashup
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Originally Posted by Steelie
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That's the thing,I was perfectly content to give Hatton his props etc etc but it gets annoying when the nut huggers appear. Like I and a few other people have pointed out AND USED examples,Cotto has beaten some good fighters and to so to say he has beaten no one is just plain out ignorance...
No it's not...it's fact.
You won't be drawn on it cos you know that you can't really defend his record with any gusto...
The relevance in the Hatton v Cotto debate is that people are coming on here following this performance against Quintana, claiming Miguel is the new messiah...when in fact, even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's still not mixed it a world level.
So, how can people be saying he beats
anyone after beating Quintana?
Yes he looked comfortable at the weight and yes he put on a good performance but did anyone expect anything less?
A 'W' against Quitana tells us nothing we didn't already know and even less about what might happen against Hatton.
He's spot on people.
Miguel is yet to prove sh*t to me as well.
Who has he fought of any real substance?
Quintana is by no means a 'judging stick' for anyone and retired on his stool at the end of the day ;)
Fact is that Cotto has yet to be really tested.
Quintana quit on his stool.....so did Tszyu.......So what?????? And Cotto was tested against Torres and showed tremendous heart to come back....
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Originally Posted by Hous
Regardless of what anyone else thinks here the best name on Cottos resume is Paulie Malignaggi who didnt even fight Malignaggis fight because he felt the rinf was too small. Not Cottos fault but it does take abit away from his victory especially since Malignaggi is a featherfisted technitian, not a predatory brawler as he was against Cotto and still troubled him deeply.
Hatton beats Cotto and looks good doing it. Hatton has the style to beat Cotto.
You don't know what you are talking about.
People like yourself make me sick.
You have maybe watched one or two Cotto fights and you attack him and you speak with no solid or concrete foundation.
There are a grip of people on here just like yourself who have only Seen Tony Margarito fight once and are now talking mad trash in that area too.
I know of one person who has only watched one Ricky Hatton fight and today he acts like he knows everything about Ricky Hatton.
The thread reads Ricky vs Cotto @ 147 not @ 140
Unfortunately for Ricky and his fans, Ricky Hatton feels he can not hack it @ 147 and that is why he moved back down to 140.
Since Ricky Hatton feels he himself can not hang at 147 what makes you folks think he can? No logic in any of your arguments.
Cotto was having trouble at 140 and @ 147 He is looking very good.
I guess Cotto could not hack it at 140 anymore but Cotto never lost and has yet to win by any controversial deciosions.
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"Cotto crushed Quintana, he beat the fifth undefeated fighter in his 28-fight career. So far he has won two world titles in two weight classes, and he’s defeated five former or future world title holders."
I give an edge to Ricky Hatton @ 140 because Cotto struggled, it's true. But for the most part, he was still beating fools azzes. But this thread is not about Cotto/Hatton @ 140
I give a huge edge to Cotto @ 147 which is what this thread is about becuase Cotto is refreshed and very strong as a Welter. Cotto's chin held up nicely in the brawl, (But I think he got his nose broken) Cotto was a work horse at 147. Ricky got his ass kicked at 147 and could not close the deal. Did you see Ricky's face after he faught Collazo? Uh huh! lol there are many who say Ricky lost and got a gift. No one has ever given anything to Cotto. He has never gotten a gift.
Did you see Paulies face when Cotto kicked his ass @140? Uh huh! There were a few things that save Paulie. Cotto had a boxers fracture and Paulie was only thowing one, two's and then clintching/grabbing and holding on. At the end of the fight what did Paulie say? He said I got my ass kicked. Broken nose, broken jaw, internal bleeding and that was Miguel fighting him with one hand ;D
Now we can even go back and look at some of those fighters that Cotto destroyed.
Here are a couple of fighters that Floyd Mayweather could not destroy.
Victoriano Sosa and DeMarcus Corley. Cotto made these men look like biatches.
In closing, if people thought that Cotto was good @140, then they are going to think he is pure dynomite @147.
Cotto will be on peoples top 10 P4P list in late 2008 :lickish:
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I didn't say he beats anyone,merely Hatton
Allow me some artistic licence...I'm referring to the tone of the board ;)
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Well Hatton didn't look comfortable at the weight and JUST ABOUT got the W,didn't you expect more?
Of course...we all expected Ricky to blast through him.
As for th others:
Maussa - Do me a favour ;D
Sosa - Past it, came up from lightweight
N'dou - Lovemore had Miguel running in the later rounds when Cotto couldn't get him out of there.
Pinto - Ranked number 1 by the WBO but unheard of by anyone else...
Corely - Okay, there's some credibility to Demarcus. But he was hardly in his prime, wears womens underwear and has 200 kids to feed...did somebody say paycheck?
Abdullaev - A tough fight in hindsight but it shouldn't of been...and the ams are a completely different ballgame as you well know...
Torres - Yet another guy that was a tough fight in hindsight. Pre Torres most Cotto fans expected an easy 'W'
Branco - The WBCs version of Kelson Pinto. Never ever beaten anyone of note
Malignaggi - Not exactly Julian Jackson is he? After the scares with the likes of Bailey and Torres Arum clearly thought it might be a good idea to keep Miguel away from the bangers...
Quintana - Stepping stone. Simple as that, lets not pretend he's anything more.
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It's not just that they are all decent/good fighters,they have mostly been young,unbeaten,hungry. And it is the manner in which Cotto has beaten them whether it be fighting front foot,back foot,stalking them etc etc showing his versatility.
That's an interesting point. For me, Miguel looks way more ragged now than he did pre Bailey. I recall a time when Miguel was famed for his defence. It's gone out of the window but I think that's perhaps a concious decision to make him more marketable.
Re: Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?
Cotto has had one fight at 147. You cannot judge a fighter on just one fight at an unfamiliar weight and that same logic applies to Hatton. At 140, we have 67 fights available for inspection and on that data I can conclude that Hatton rapes Cotto. ;) ;D
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Originally Posted by Gymbo
Cotto has had one fight at 147. You cannot judge a fighter on just one fight at an unfamiliar weight and that same logic applies to Hatton. At 140, we have 67 fights available for inspection and on that data I can conclude that Hatton rapes Cotto. ;) ;D
I love this thread, there is no end in sight!!
So are you saying that Cotto / Hatton at 140 and 147 are both determined by Hatton beating Tszyu?
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I love this thread, there is no end in sight!!
Yeah, no let up by either side ;) 8)
