Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
To me tyson is completely different than all other fighters. Mike tyson is incomparable to any past or present fighters. Although some can question his competition, no one can question what he did to the guys he did fight. I mean, I believe he is the only heavyweight who actually won fights before he even fought them, i remember watching his opponents in the ring before the bell and they look absolutely petrified. Mike tyson was an animal, sure there are fighters out there with more skill, and more stamina. But looking at mike tyson in his prime is something i have never seen before, and most likely will never see again.
You always here people saying "this prospect is like the next tyson", "this guy hits like tyson". There is a reason for it.
People can debate about his opposition all they want, but in the end, there is something no one can take from mike. He was the most exciting heavyweight in boxing history. You knew when you were watching a tyson fight, someones getting hurt. In the most viscious way possible. (even when it was him losing).
He is hard to compare because no other fighter peaked in their first five years. Conventional wisdom says that he'd have to be top longer than that to be considered great.
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Sorry but, what he did for heavyweight boxing to me, puts him up there as a "great". its like the hall of fame debate. Does belts and polished records put you in the hall of fame? or does Fame put you in the hall of fame?
Mike tyson was a phenom, and in saying that, he has to be looked at as great.
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Out of 58 fights he lost 6 times to Douglas,Holyfield,Lewis,Williams and Mcbride the ones that really mean anything are the Douglas,Holyfield and Lewis ones now even after Douglas he still fought at an half decent level win or lose.
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Wow i didn't think my post would even go this far and love this site more ever day and thank you ice for agreeing with me i think you are the only one in most of the post that did, atleast someone thought i was right.
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Wow i didn't think my post would even go this far and love this site more ever day and thank you ice for agreeing with me i think you are the only one in most of the post that did, atleast someone thought i was right.
Ice will agree with you mate he's a fellow Tyson hater ;) ;D
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Bruno i may disagree with you but i respect your loyalty to mike Tyson and you do make some good points on his career and i liked his early videos.
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Mr140 you say you did a lot of reading about Tyson. How much did you actually see him fight? Apart from a few small screen video clips?
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
i saw the following fights and a few others but this are the ones i'll list
Holmes
Rudduck
Planket
lewis
holyfeild
douglas
spinks
I seen more but i dont want to get the fighters names wrong and look stupid
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Tyson revisionism is something that has taken hold in last last few years since the Lewis loss and the McBride and Williams debacles....More and more so these revisionists are creeping out.
Look back to the '80's and the excitement and thrill of Tyson unifying the belts and with a style that excited ALL. He got people interested in boxing in a way that hadnt been so since the '70's. He did it with flair and power to dazzle and at such a young age.
Tyson was young and had demons and in due course let those skills waste away. He then got incarcerated for 3 years and came back in a rush and underprepared. The slide was apparent even a decade ago. The Tyson that lost to Holyfield was not the same Tyson that had reawakened the sport.
The Tyson of those few years (1986-1988) had a style, confidence and swagger that ANYONE in the history of boxing would have issues with. Mike was special, but Mike allowed his flaws and weaknesses to eventually take hold.
That peak period Tyson would be a handful for anybody in the history of boxing no doubt...and that is why he deserves his respect...
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
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Originally Posted by miles
Tyson revisionism is something that has taken hold in last last few years since the Lewis loss and the McBride and Williams debacles....More and more so these revisionists are creeping out.
Look back to the '80's and the excitement and thrill of Tyson unifying the belts and with a style that excited ALL. He got people interested in boxing in a way that hadnt been so since the '70's. He did it with flair and power to dazzle and at such a young age.
Tyson was young and had demons and in due course let those skills waste away. He then got incarcerated for 3 years and came back in a rush and underprepared. The slide was apparent even a decade ago. The Tyson that lost to Holyfield was not the same Tyson that had reawakened the sport.
The Tyson of those few years (1986-1988) had a style, confidence and swagger that ANYONE in the history of boxing would have issues with. Mike was special, but Mike allowed his flaws and weaknesses to eventually take hold.
That peak period Tyson would be a handful for anybody in the history of boxing no doubt...and that is why he deserves his respect...
He got the wrong people interested in boxing. Most of his fights were short and brutal. Everyone that was solely a tyson fan just wanted to see a knock out. In fact i blame tyson for a lot of things that went arye with boxing in the late 80's early 90's. People who were solely fans of tyson didn't wanna see fights that were technical clinics that the dedicated fan would enjoy, they wanted to see unskilled (not saying tyson is unskilled because thats far from the truth but im saying in relation to other fights not involving tyson) anybodies just throw punch after punch with no emphasis on defense (again tyson had a great defense but this isn't about his fights) going for knockouts. Without tyson, More people would've viewed the PBF/ De la Hoya fight in a more positive light.
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
I will firmly say right now if boxing is ever truly eclipsed in popularity for a more "brutal" combat sport, I will blame tyson.
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Give over you plonker i did'nt sad click you either ;)
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by miles
Tyson revisionism is something that has taken hold in last last few years since the Lewis loss and the McBride and Williams debacles....More and more so these revisionists are creeping out.
Look back to the '80's and the excitement and thrill of Tyson unifying the belts and with a style that excited ALL. He got people interested in boxing in a way that hadnt been so since the '70's. He did it with flair and power to dazzle and at such a young age.
Tyson was young and had demons and in due course let those skills waste away. He then got incarcerated for 3 years and came back in a rush and underprepared. The slide was apparent even a decade ago. The Tyson that lost to Holyfield was not the same Tyson that had reawakened the sport.
The Tyson of those few years (1986-1988) had a style, confidence and swagger that ANYONE in the history of boxing would have issues with. Mike was special, but Mike allowed his flaws and weaknesses to eventually take hold.
That peak period Tyson would be a handful for anybody in the history of boxing no doubt...and that is why he deserves his respect...
He got the wrong people interested in boxing. Most of his fights were short and brutal. Everyone that was solely a tyson fan just wanted to see a knock out. In fact i blame tyson for a lot of things that went arye with boxing in the late 80's early 90's. People who were solely fans of tyson didn't wanna see fights that were technical clinics that the dedicated fan would enjoy, they wanted to see unskilled (not saying tyson is unskilled because thats far from the truth but im saying in relation to other fights not involving tyson) anybodies just throw punch after punch with no emphasis on defense (again tyson had a great defense but this isn't about his fights) going for knockouts. Without tyson, More people would've viewed the PBF/ De la Hoya fight in a more positive light.
What does Tyson have to do with Oscar/ Floyd?? Tyson brought energy and excitement and lived up to his billing. Floyd and Oscar fought an interesting but predictable technical fight. Therein is the difference. Floyd against Oscar wasnt exciting. But since the prime of Tyson we have had any number of exciting bouts. How about Barrera: Morales? Gatti: Ward? Which do you prefer? Floyd against Oscar or other classic fights which have indeed happened since prime Tyson left the planet.
There are great fights throughout the divisions...Tyson is not connected to Oscar: PBF in any way...
I dont see what you are saying...
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
Re: Mike Tyson why do people hold him so high
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by miles
Tyson revisionism is something that has taken hold in last last few years since the Lewis loss and the McBride and Williams debacles....More and more so these revisionists are creeping out.
Look back to the '80's and the excitement and thrill of Tyson unifying the belts and with a style that excited ALL. He got people interested in boxing in a way that hadnt been so since the '70's. He did it with flair and power to dazzle and at such a young age.
Tyson was young and had demons and in due course let those skills waste away. He then got incarcerated for 3 years and came back in a rush and underprepared. The slide was apparent even a decade ago. The Tyson that lost to Holyfield was not the same Tyson that had reawakened the sport.
The Tyson of those few years (1986-1988) had a style, confidence and swagger that ANYONE in the history of boxing would have issues with. Mike was special, but Mike allowed his flaws and weaknesses to eventually take hold.
That peak period Tyson would be a handful for anybody in the history of boxing no doubt...and that is why he deserves his respect...
He got the wrong people interested in boxing. Most of his fights were short and brutal. Everyone that was solely a tyson fan just wanted to see a knock out. In fact i blame tyson for a lot of things that went arye with boxing in the late 80's early 90's. People who were solely fans of tyson didn't wanna see fights that were technical clinics that the dedicated fan would enjoy, they wanted to see unskilled (not saying tyson is unskilled because thats far from the truth but im saying in relation to other fights not involving tyson) anybodies just throw punch after punch with no emphasis on defense (again tyson had a great defense but this isn't about his fights) going for knockouts. Without tyson, More people would've viewed the PBF/ De la Hoya fight in a more positive light.
What does Tyson have to do with Oscar/ Floyd?? Tyson brought energy and excitement and lived up to his billing. Floyd and Oscar fought an interesting but predictable technical fight. Therein is the difference. Floyd against Oscar wasnt exciting. But since the prime of Tyson we have had any number of exciting bouts. How about Barrera: Morales? Gatti: Ward? Which do you prefer? Floyd against Oscar or other classic fights which have indeed happened since prime Tyson left the planet.
There are great fights throughout the divisions...Tyson is not connected to Oscar: PBF in any way...
I dont see what you are saying...
I'm saying that there's people who were only interested in brutal style fights because of tyson. WE can see the skill that tyson had, but some people who were drawn to the sport by tyson only saw him for his power and knockouts. Some of the boxing fans that have defected for other more "entertaining" sports are these people. I'm not saying tyson is the only person to ever have an intense physical fighting style. I would rather see a classic battle between two fighters but I see the skill involved behind that. There are others who only see it as all out punching with no technique. De la Hoya mayweather is bashed for 1 reason more than any other. Not because they were over paid. Not because it was the technical display that every true boxing fan expected but because there wasn't enough brutallity. I have heard on more than one main stream sports show that in order for a boxing match to be classic there has to be blood and bruised eyes. Thats tyson's fault.
