Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Who is hopkins to try to call shots? If anything it should be Joe because he's undefeated, cleaned out his division against guys that are actually in his weight class and he's a better fighter who is not boring.
Did I mention he's coming off a massive victory?!
Hopkins the legend? Gimme a break. He made his career on wins over guys that began their careers way below his weight and lost to the 2 good mw's he fought.
Hopkins is delirious!
Joe should be #1 p4p. That guy can fight!!!
So not only are saying Hopkins is not an ATG but Calzaghe is better then Floyd?
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Who is hopkins to try to call shots? If anything it should be Joe because he's undefeated, cleaned out his division against guys that are actually in his weight class and he's a better fighter who is not boring.
Did I mention he's coming off a massive victory?!
Hopkins the legend? Gimme a break. He made his career on wins over guys that began their careers way below his weight and lost to the 2 good mw's he fought.
Hopkins is delirious!
Joe should be #1 p4p. That guy can fight!!!
The year is not quite over yet, but I think we just found the stupidest post of the year
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Who is hopkins to try to call shots? If anything it should be Joe because he's undefeated, cleaned out his division against guys that are actually in his weight class and he's a better fighter who is not boring.
Did I mention he's coming off a massive victory?!
Hopkins the legend? Gimme a break. He made his career on wins over guys that began their careers way below his weight and lost to the 2 good mw's he fought.
Hopkins is delirious!
Joe should be #1 p4p. That guy can fight!!!
HAHAHA thats funny.
Hopkins is coming off TWO massive victories.
Hopkins is champ of LHW (much more prestigious than SMW) and was a longstanding champ at MW( also more prestigious than SMW).
Yes Calzaghe is a great fighter, but number 1 P4P? Come on mate u cannot be serious. Top 5 yes but 1?
Calzaghe needs Hopkins on his resume more than Hopkins needs Joe on his, thats why he can call the shots.
Are u gonna chastise this man Superheavyrhun? Or do u agree?
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Who is hopkins to try to call shots? If anything it should be Joe because he's undefeated, cleaned out his division against guys that are actually in his weight class and he's a better fighter who is not boring.
Did I mention he's coming off a massive victory?!
Hopkins the legend? Gimme a break. He made his career on wins over guys that began their careers way below his weight and lost to the 2 good mw's he fought.
Hopkins is delirious!
Joe should be #1 p4p. That guy can fight!!!
The year is not quite over yet, but I think we just found the stupidest post of the year
i dont know about that .... I'm sure if we went back and looked at any of your predictions and P4P list like the famous casamayor at what 3 or 4... your comments are the most biased, unfactual load of sh!t on here and everyone on here knows it.... ;D
dont throw stones if you live in a glass house....
hopkins beat tito a welterweight, DLH a welterweight, winky a 154..
he fought middleweight jermain taylor and middleweight RJJ and for some reason those fights went a little different....
Joe would slap B-hop from one side of the ring to another...
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
before the calzaghe haters jump on me i think joe is 4, P4P and B-Hop is 5........ but i think kessler is a harder match up for joe....
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Who is hopkins to try to call shots? If anything it should be Joe because he's undefeated, cleaned out his division against guys that are actually in his weight class and he's a better fighter who is not boring.
Did I mention he's coming off a massive victory?!
Hopkins the legend? Gimme a break. He made his career on wins over guys that began their careers way below his weight and lost to the 2 good mw's he fought.
Hopkins is delirious!
Joe should be #1 p4p. That guy can fight!!!
The year is not quite over yet, but I think we just found the stupidest post of the year
i dont know about that .... I'm sure if we went back and looked at any of your predictions and P4P list like the famous casamayor at what 3 or 4... your comments are the most biased, unfactual load of sh!t on here and everyone on here knows it.... ;D
dont throw stones if you live in a glass house....
hopkins beat tito a welterweight, DLH a welterweight, winky a 154..
he fought middleweight jermain taylor and middleweight RJJ and for some reason those fights went a little different....
Joe would slap B-hop from one side of the ring to another...
Its funny how u call VD biased then go off on a fanboy rant.
Hopkins is a top 5 MW of alltime.
DLH was a MW champ.
Tito destroyed Joppy a good MW in the fight before Hopkins, and was actually favourite before the fight.
Wright was top 5 P4P when Hopkins fought him and would beat almost anyone at 170.
Hopkins came up from 160 to beat the number 1 guy at 175 in Tarver, he was the underdog in that fight also.
Calzaghe would most probably beat Hopkins at this point in time, but BHOP has the better legacy and that cannot be denied.
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Originally Posted by Fire
before the calzaghe haters jump on me i think joe is 4, P4P and B-Hop is 5........ but i think kessler is a harder match up for joe....
Im not a Joe hater, but u are obviously a BHOP hater.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Fire
before the calzaghe haters jump on me i think joe is 4, P4P and B-Hop is 5........ but i think kessler is a harder match up for joe....
You cant see the bouts around Joes sack can you?
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
Well i not getting in to it with legacy and all that but i have to disagree with a few thing Winky i would not do well at 175 pounds to much weight and he lose to some champions at LH. Then there is Trinidad he did alright but besides Joppy he got killed at the weight. Oscar should of never even been a champion at the weight and should not even had fought Bernard but that being said B hop has a good legacy but out Oscar and Trinadad wins he would of been not even near what he is today and both Oscar and Trinidad were just to far out of there weight classes to tell you the truth and so was Winkey at Lightheavyweight he looked way out of shape at 175 he is good at Middleweight but 175 he is just to fat at that weight to tell you the truth.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Who is hopkins to try to call shots? If anything it should be Joe because he's undefeated, cleaned out his division against guys that are actually in his weight class and he's a better fighter who is not boring.
Did I mention he's coming off a massive victory?!
Hopkins the legend? Gimme a break. He made his career on wins over guys that began their careers way below his weight and lost to the 2 good mw's he fought.
Hopkins is delirious!
Joe should be #1 p4p. That guy can fight!!!
The year is not quite over yet, but I think we just found the stupidest post of the year
i dont know about that .... I'm sure if we went back and looked at any of your predictions and P4P list like the famous casamayor at what 3 or 4... your comments are the most biased, unfactual load of sh!t on here and everyone on here knows it.... ;D
dont throw stones if you live in a glass house....
hopkins beat tito a welterweight, DLH a welterweight, winky a 154..
he fought middleweight jermain taylor and middleweight RJJ and for some reason those fights went a little different....
Joe would slap B-hop from one side of the ring to another...
He called Calzaghe p4p #1. If you agree with him than your just as stupid as he is. Either that or your a massive Calzaghe groupie.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Well i not getting in to it with legacy and all that but i have to disagree with a few thing Winky i would not do well at 175 pounds to much weight and he lose to some champions at LH. Then there is Trinidad he did alright but besides Joppy he got killed at the weight. Oscar should of never even been a champion at the weight and should not even had fought Bernard but that being said B hop has a good legacy but out Oscar and Trinadad wins he would of been not even near what he is today and both Oscar and Trinidad were just to far out of there weight classes to tell you the truth and so was Winkey at Lightheavyweight he looked way out of shape at 175 he is good at Middleweight but 175 he is just to fat at that weight to tell you the truth.
Trinidad KTFO a MW champ in Joppy, who went the distance with Hopkins and Taylor, nad beat a top contender in Cherifi. Hardly out of his depth at 160.
Winky didnt fight at 175 he fought at 170, closer to SMW. Now tell me how many SMW would beat Winky? Not many.
As for Oscar, yeah he shouldnt have been champ, but he was easy a top 5 guy at MW.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
Did you see the shape Winky was in eagle he looked bad at the weight he fought Hopkins is at he is still a good win but god damn he just should not fight over Middleweight. And Trinidad is just not the same he was at lighter weights and well we agree on Oscar but then you can also bring Hagler but to tell you the Truth i think Duran and Hearns were better at the weight then Oscar and Trinidad but what ever Hopkins is still a great but he opposition was not that much better then Joe's it was better but it does not tower over Joe's for me at least.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Did you see the shape Winky was in eagle he looked bad at the weight he fought Hopkins is at he is still a good win but god damn he just should not fight over Middleweight. And Trinidad is just not the same he was at lighter weights and well we agree on Oscar but then you can also bring Hagler but to tell you the Truth i think Duran and Hearns were better at the weight then Oscar and Trinidad but what ever Hopkins is still a great but he opposition was not that much better then Joe's it was better but it does not tower over Joe's for me at least.
Yes i saw Winky at that weight, he was still a good fighter who was made to look bad by a better one.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Did you see the shape Winky was in eagle he looked bad at the weight he fought Hopkins is at he is still a good win but god damn he just should not fight over Middleweight. And Trinidad is just not the same he was at lighter weights and well we agree on Oscar but then you can also bring Hagler but to tell you the Truth i think Duran and Hearns were better at the weight then Oscar and Trinidad but what ever Hopkins is still a great but he opposition was not that much better then Joe's it was better but it does not tower over Joe's for me at least.
Yes i saw Winky at that weight, he was still a good fighter who was made to look bad by a better one.
Winky did not look ad considering he took a one time payday for a fight several weight classes above where he resides. Hopkins is very good however I had the fight much closer than others and felt that B-Hop got away with tactics that would have resulted in several points had it been someone else.
Winky should never have went up there, but he did it for the money and I think he made Winky fans proud with his display. I was very pleased.
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by eagle
Even u cannot deny that fights like The Manfrodo Calzaghe bout should not have been made, that was Joe's team grabbing money. You would have been all over Hopkins like a cheap suit if he'd fought someone like Manfrodo saying he was weak and scared, yet when Joe does it its ok. If the US fighters dont come to Britain they are scared, yet if Joe dont wanna go to the US thats ok cos Joe can do what he wants, and shouldnt have to.....
Your always negative towards the Americans so whats the diff? Is it not strange to u that Joe has been unable to make a fight against any of the big name US fighters in the last 10 years yet they have all managed to have made fights with other big names.
Oh i forgot, they are all scared of Joe..... Whatever.
Now who's misquoting who. I don't hate on Americans, and if you say that your taking one post out of a mass of posts. Manfredo v Calzaghe was a fight made purely to satisfy TV bosses in the states. Manfredo took the fall cause he was fairly high profile in the states but wouldn't trouble Calzaghe. He was just an in to that market. And can you say that American fighters don't take easy fights for the cash. This isn't a nationality thing, it's just Calzaghe gets a whole bundle more stick for it than anyone else on this forum.
I haven't called any US fighters scared for not fighting over here and you know that.
Joe hasn't fought in the US yet cause their promoters can't make the same kind of cash with a US show that 60,000 people in the stadium makes. TV rights are the same....so where's the most money coming from?
There have only been three big fights out there to be made with Americans during Joe's career. Hopkins, RJJ and Lacy. Lacy showed the balls and took the big paycheque to come over here. If American promoters can offer the big paycheque, Joe'll be on it like white on rice, they don't make the offers, he don't fight.
The attitude that galls me is this whole thing of Joe not making the big fights....but big fights sail by unfought around the world every year...and no other fighter gets this much stick about it.
I am American and I have to agree with SuperHeavey. This is a business after all... If I were Joe I wouldn't give 2 shits about heading to the US. The money is in the UK where he is high profile.
And thats exactly what is wrong with boxing and fighters like Joe. Money is more important than legacy. As if Joe needs the money. He has enough to support himself and 50 other families. Fine Joe dont go to the US, but then dont complain twenty years down the track when ppl are criticising you for not fighting the best. Cant have it both ways.
Dont give me S*** about Joe copping more criticism than most, this whole topic has Hopkins being knocked a tonne more than Joe. Here he is 44 years old, maybe the best legacy in boxing yet he is being called scared. Joes fans are just as quick if not quicker to jump on his opponents than Joe's detractors jump on him. U cannot deny that.
And again, the beat goes on and we make another full circle. The basic facts, in my view, is that there are faults with both fighters and their respective backroom teams, and leaves both sides open for criticism.
This isn't 20 years down the line, this is an almost constant barrage of criticism right now, so I'd settle for everyone shutting up for 20 years and if the criticism were to start then, we'd see what he'd done with his last few fights.
You criticise "fighters like Joe" for being about the money, yet Hopkins is widely reported to have doubled his demands in a meeting in 2002 to make the fight. I'm sure there's more criticism going Joe's way on this one. And yes I do deny what you say.
I have my own issues about Hopkins' legacy, but that has more to do with the way he fights than his victories, which are admittedly good.
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Originally Posted by eagle
Are u gonna chastise this man Superheavyrhun? Or do u agree?
Everyone has different yardsticks for measuring p4p status, and I don't have Joe at #1. If all fighters were scaled to the same weight division, we'd have, in my opinion:
#1=Mayweather
#2=Manny Pacquiao
#3=Juan Manuel Marquez
#4=Joe Calzaghe
#5=Bernard Hopkins
Re: Bernard Hopkins offers Calzaghe $8 million!!
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Did you see the shape Winky was in eagle he looked bad at the weight he fought Hopkins is at he is still a good win but god damn he just should not fight over Middleweight. And Trinidad is just not the same he was at lighter weights and well we agree on Oscar but then you can also bring Hagler but to tell you the Truth i think Duran and Hearns were better at the weight then Oscar and Trinidad but what ever Hopkins is still a great but he opposition was not that much better then Joe's it was better but it does not tower over Joe's for me at least.
Yes i saw Winky at that weight, he was still a good fighter who was made to look bad by a better one.
To be honest, I thought they both looked bad. Stupid judging said B-Hop schooled Wright, which was bollocks. I couldn't have argued with a close decision either way in that one. For me though, that fight did nothing for Hopkins stock. He was extremely negative throughout the fight, and it makes me not want to watch Calzaghe fight Hopkins. It's a shame Pavlik is so damn good, because he got in the way of the Calzaghe-Taylor match I want to see.
