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Oil IS renewable, if it wasn't we'd be out of it and not finding MORE of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
As for Carter...did he do better or worse than Ford??? The numbers and the American people say WORSE, it doesn't matter how or what Carter's policies were or what they affected those numbers show that Carter's policies didn't work
I won't fight you on Carter. He was prez when I was born and I always heard he sucked. And oil is not renewable. There is a finite amount even if we haven't found most of it yet. The Earth is only so big and oil isn't growing, it's just setting where ever and we're drinking it up. Besides, renewable or not, demand has increased and thus price. Tapping offshore reserves only insures more money for oil companies and not reserves for only Americans to use and be able to get on the cheap. China drives the price up by coming out the pocket to whomever has it and those American oil companies getting it offshore would just as likely sell it to them as to us. We need to shift to resources, whatever they may be, that are less effected by supply-and-demand principles, create more diversity in the marketplace by taking our eggs out of one basket that is oil and begin to learn how to live with less. If I had the dough I'd love to have my house fitted with solar panels. I heard Ian McKellan say he sells electricity back to the utility company. Our American mentality of consuming without awareness of the effects or side effects has to end.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOil IS renewable, if it wasn't we'd be out of it and not finding MORE of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
As for Carter...did he do better or worse than Ford??? The numbers and the American people say WORSE, it doesn't matter how or what Carter's policies were or what they affected those numbers show that Carter's policies didn't work
Oil is a natural substance and was made before humans were here and various gases and substances are found on other planets which have (we can assume) never sustained life and therefore this idea that oil is made up of fossils is kind of silly.
We have more oil on this earth than we can use in my lifetime and I plan on living a while....I mean if we really buckled down and used more everyday then MAYBE we'd hit a couple bumps in the road due to the refining process but there's plenty oil out there.
Forget everything you think you know about oil
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe fuel embargo ended in 1974 Lyle. Carter didn't take office till 1977. Unless he had a flux capacitor it'd be almost impossible for him to do anything about the embargo. You'll have to blame GOP president Gerald Ford for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The traitor Ronald Reagan was the guy with the Iranian buddies, not Carter.
I'm asking you Lyle, not just any American. I'm wondering what specific things you know that show Carter as a bad president. I'd also be willing to put money on the fact that five years from now you'd gladly have voted for a Jimmy Carter in the 2008 election. Unfortunately for you it doesn't look like either of the available candidates will be as good a president as Carter was, and that's going to cost you money.
Come on Lyle, stop dodging and answer the post.
Hey how about you ask all the Americans you know about what Carter did....it doesn't matter WHAT he did the effects were bad end of story
The problem with that thinking is you leave it to someone else down the line to deal with. Sure we have enough, but if we remain dependent on it when it does go into short supply then the prices rocket through the roof and industry becomes crippled. And think about what has happened to gas prices while we've had enough. In 1997 I paid (however briefly) $.70 per gallon and could fill up my tank for less than $10. A little over a decade later and we've crept over $4. With sky high demand that will only increase in the coming years you really don't think we need to do anything to diversify where we get our energy from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Jesus Lyle, first off you deny that global warming is real and now your saying that crude oil isn't what scientists have confirmed it is hundreds of years ago?
Oil is made from the rotted remains of live material millions of years ago.
When these live materials died and under unique atmospeheric changes, they were compressed to different substances.
Underwater remains were compressed to make sedimentary rock.
Underground remains were rotted and compressed to become oil.
Simple as.
How do you explain methane being one of the main gases found on Venus? Methane is a main component of Natural Gas...yet that is also called a "fossil fuel"....ergo there would have to be fossils on Venus and that would mean there would have to have been life on Venus.
Crude oil is just a chain of hydrocarbons as are methane, ethane, butane, etc and those gases can be found on other planets in our solar system, planets I might add that never had life on them that we know of.
What live materials would make up oil? Dinosaurs? Bugs? Plants? Whatever it was there would have had to have been a lot of it because there's a ton of oil....so I think it's easier to consider oil as being made abiotically but I don't reckon I'll win that arguement since everyone's minds are already made up.
Oh and Man Made Global Warming is bullcrap
I think that any American that was paying attention thought that Carter did an excellent job under the conditions he was working under.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Now what are these bad effects you speak of?
Well if you think that it only confirms the fact that your views on American politics come from a EUROPEAN standpoint.
Unemployment and inflation....both waaaaaaay up in the Carter years and as President he was correctly held accountable for that and he was destroyed by Reagan. And Carter made America lose face again and again
The inflation was caused by a GOP president printing money to pay for a foreign war and increased government spending, plus the increase in the oil price caused by printing all those dollars/oil shocks that no president could control. Sound familiar? Exactly the same thing is happening now and if the next president doesn't have the balls of Jimmy Carter and do what he did to kill inflation you'll be paying for $10 gas from your ever-shrinking paycheck in a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Year Inflation Unemployment (1)
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1961 1.0% 6.7%
1962 1.0 5.6
1963 1.3 5.6
1964 1.3 5.2
1965 1.6 4.5 < Vietnam war spending increases
1966 2.9 3.8
1967 3.1 3.8
1968 4.2 3.5
1969 5.5 3.5
1970 5.7 5.0
1971 4.4 6.0
1972 3.2 5.6
1973 6.2 4.9
1974 11.0 5.6 < First oil crisis
1975 9.1 8.5
1976 5.8 7.7
1977 6.5 7.1
1978 7.6 6.1
1979 11.3 5.9 < Second oil crisis
1980 13.5 7.2
1981 10.3 7.6
1982 6.2 9.7
1983 3.2 9.6
1984 4.3 7.5
You can see here that unemployment actually fell during the Carter years.
And If Carter hadn't raised interest rates inflation would have kept on soaring
under Reagan.
Carter dealt as well as he could with the situation he was dealt and was the only president
out of the Nixon, Ford, Carter era with the balls to tackle inflation.
It had to fall a little bit or everyone would have been unemployed, I mean the gas prices have now fallen (from what they have been) and Bush is still in office and he's still getting shit for high gas prices same deal with Carter and unemployment
Unemployment fell under Carter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Bush created the high gas prices, unlike Carter. When you increase spending to pay for foreign wars and huge government spending increases then slah taxes you create a huge revenue gap which can only be filled by borrowing and printing money, both of which George has done at record levels ("record" doesn't even begin to describe it actually.) Because you're increasing the total number of dollars in the economy, the value of each dollar falls.
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/S...%2120%5D&pnf=y
That's what bush has done to the dollar. (The Dollar Index is a measure of the dollars performance versus a basket of major currencies.)
Because the dollar is cratering, the cartel that control the oil market, OPEC, demand more dollars to make up for the fact that the currency oil is traded in is falling, so oil goes up in price. If Bush hadn't printed the number of dollars he has then oil would be no more than $50 a barrel instead of $120, even if he'd still invaded Iraq.
And if McCain wins and carries on the same Bush policies (which he says he will, record new tax cuts etc.) you can see that the problem is going to get much worse.
Unemployment fell under Carter huh? 7.1 in 1977 when carter took office to 7.2 in 1980 (I'll even spot you a year ;)) a year before Carter left office..since when do things fall up Kirkland???
Yes, whenever you get your oil changed, they drain it into a container. Motor oil doesn't burn up, it just gets dirty, so it is cleaned and then reused.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOil IS renewable, if it wasn't we'd be out of it and not finding MORE of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
As for Carter...did he do better or worse than Ford??? The numbers and the American people say WORSE, it doesn't matter how or what Carter's policies were or what they affected those numbers show that Carter's policies didn't work