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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Nope Hearns will KO him
Nothing of watching Tommy at 160lbs leads me to think that.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Nope Hearns will KO him
Nothing of watching Tommy at 160lbs leads me to think that.
Yes Miranda who is todays hardest hitting man at 168 hit6s harder than yesterdays man at 147. That like saying Enzo Macrinelli hits harder than Peter . Miranda punches alot harder than Hearns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HM4mps2QD8
But to the Monzon statement. Miranda is stronger than Pavlik and Pavlik pushed him around. Why could he do the same to Monzon who I think looks like Andrade. Same iron head. Both strong and both come at you in strait lines.
Comparing yesterdays jocks to todays is not for argument. It is evident in every way that todays are much greater. They are stronger , faster , and much better conditioned.
You need to qualify those types of statements. What makes them stronger, faster, and better conditioned. Don't just say improved training etc. or use other sports as an example, explain them. I'd say nutrition, and styles/training may have improved/changed slightly, but not enough to make that much of a dramatic difference in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Also, if they have changed that much, wouldn't the fighters of the past, if fighting today (ie. a mythical match-up against Pavlik), have all those improved methods available to them?
He would destroy Benn.
Lose against RJJ.
Too hard to call against Eubank, but he has the edge in power.
Lose to the Calzaghe that schooled Lacy but probably beat him now.
Lose a wide UD to Nunn unless he had another Toney moment.
Lose to Toney.
KO Julian Jackson.
KO G-man.
Lose to Monzon and Hagler.
Lose to a young Hopkins but I think he will beat him next week.
With Hearns I think it is just a case of who hits who clean first. my money would be on Hearns though.
Can't comment on any of the great Lightheavys until he fights at the weight really!
I do like Pavlik but he needs to prove a lot more before I give him W's over some of the ATG's!
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KO G-Man
KO BENN
He has only beat 1 elite fighter that beat only 1 elite fighter!
Cant see how anyone could possibly draw that opinion but its all opinions even those as poor as yours.
Yes but both them Elite fighters would school G-Man and Benn! I mean Benn lost to fucking Malinga.Quote:
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
KO G-Man
KO BENN
He has only beat 1 elite fighter that beat only 1 elite fighter!
Cant see how anyone could possibly draw that opinion but its all opinions even those as poor as yours.
Lets compare Usain Bolt and Jesse Owens. Or Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. Or how about Roger Clemens to Cy Young. The where great in their time but today would be owned. Jesse Owens was great so was Jim Thorpe but by todays standards they would be good in their sport not considered a ledgend against the compitition of today is so much great in every aspect and to deny that fact shows total ignorance . If athletes yesterday where so much better why are the record books always being rewrote every year or 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHYou need to qualify those types of statements. What makes them stronger, faster, and better conditioned. Don't just say improved training etc. or use other sports as an example, explain them. I'd say nutrition, and styles/training may have improved/changed slightly, but not enough to make that much of a dramatic difference in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Also, if they have changed that much, wouldn't the fighters of the past, if fighting today (ie. a mythical match-up against Pavlik), have all those improved methods available to them?
Uhh Jesse Owens had crap running shoes and crap running conditions, plus he didn't have the modern training techniques/dietitian etc. I can assure you if Jesse Owens had all the luxury's runners have today, aswell as steroids which majority of them use, he would be easily almost 1 second faster atleast IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Lets compare Usain Bolt and Jesse Owens. Or Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. Or how about Roger Clemens to Cy Young. The where great in their time but today would be owned. Jesse Owens was great so was Jim Thorpe but by todays standards they would be good in their sport not considered a ledgend against the compitition of today is so much great in every aspect and to deny that fact shows total ignorance . If athletes yesterday where so much better why are the record books always being rewrote every year or 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHYou need to qualify those types of statements. What makes them stronger, faster, and better conditioned. Don't just say improved training etc. or use other sports as an example, explain them. I'd say nutrition, and styles/training may have improved/changed slightly, but not enough to make that much of a dramatic difference in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Also, if they have changed that much, wouldn't the fighters of the past, if fighting today (ie. a mythical match-up against Pavlik), have all those improved methods available to them?
Thomas Hearns was naturally bigger than 147, thats why he moved all the way up to Cruiserweight. Thomas Hearns had more speed which generates power, better punching technique. And was just a much better boxer than Edison Miranda.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Yes Miranda who is todays hardest hitting man at 168 hit6s harder than yesterdays man at 147. That like saying Enzo Macrinelli hits harder than Peter . Miranda punches alot harder than Hearns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Your comparison's are ridiculous of course Samuel Peter who is 240+ pounds, hits harder than 190+ pounds Enzo Maccarinelli. But whats that got to do with Thomas Hearns and Edison Miranda :confused:
Because Carlos Monzon is a better boxer than Librado Andrade obviously, he uses his jab/good technical skills he punches very precise with good technqiue. I can't believe your actually comparing Librado Andrade. To one of the best Middleweights of all time are you serious ?Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Carlos Monzon was only knocked down once in 100 fights when he was 35, of course he will but Kelly Pavlik on the backfoot. Exactly how many fights have you seen of Carlos Monzon ? because it doesn't sound like you have seen many if any.
What part of qualify it without using other sports as an example do you not understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Lets compare Usain Bolt and Jesse Owens. Or Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. Or how about Roger Clemens to Cy Young. The where great in their time but today would be owned. Jesse Owens was great so was Jim Thorpe but by todays standards they would be good in their sport not considered a ledgend against the compitition of today is so much great in every aspect and to deny that fact shows total ignorance . If athletes yesterday where so much better why are the record books always being rewrote every year or 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHYou need to qualify those types of statements. What makes them stronger, faster, and better conditioned. Don't just say improved training etc. or use other sports as an example, explain them. I'd say nutrition, and styles/training may have improved/changed slightly, but not enough to make that much of a dramatic difference in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Also, if they have changed that much, wouldn't the fighters of the past, if fighting today (ie. a mythical match-up against Pavlik), have all those improved methods available to them?
I'll say it again, if Pavlik fought SRR (or any of the other fighters you mentioned) they would both have the same training conditioning methods available to them. So, aside from the fact that you think he has pretty eyes, what about Pavlik's skills makes you think he could beat those ATG fighters?
So are he would be born around the same times so SRR would be in his prime today and he was born in 1980 or his skills and yesteryears training and he slipped into to a time porthole and here he is in the ring with Pavlik. The sad fukin part is he could ko a bigger Hopkins and kill Abrham and you losers still wont give him a fukin bone . Grow the phuk up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhat part of qualify it without using other sports as an example do you not understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314Lets compare Usain Bolt and Jesse Owens. Or Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson. Or how about Roger Clemens to Cy Young. The where great in their time but today would be owned. Jesse Owens was great so was Jim Thorpe but by todays standards they would be good in their sport not considered a ledgend against the compitition of today is so much great in every aspect and to deny that fact shows total ignorance . If athletes yesterday where so much better why are the record books always being rewrote every year or 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I'll say it again, if Pavlik fought SRR (or any of the other fighters you mentioned) they would both have the same training conditioning methods available to them. So, aside from the fact that you think he has pretty eyes, what about Pavlik's skills makes you think he could beat those ATG fighters?
Uhhh, what? That's a hell of a first sentence by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314So are he would be born around the same times so SRR would be in his prime today and he was born in 1980 or his skills and yesteryears training and he slipped into to a time porthole and here he is in the ring with Pavlik. The sad fukin part is he could ko a bigger Hopkins and kill Abrham and you losers still wont give him a fukin bone . Grow the phuk up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhat part of qualify it without using other sports as an example do you not understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
I'll say it again, if Pavlik fought SRR (or any of the other fighters you mentioned) they would both have the same training conditioning methods available to them. So, aside from the fact that you think he has pretty eyes, what about Pavlik's skills makes you think he could beat those ATG fighters?
You're the one who said Pavlik would KO SRR, I would assume that they would hypothetically have to fight for that to happen. So what skills does Pavlik possess that places him above all those greats you are so sure he would beat? I love fanboys.