~ A Message to Referee Marlon B. Wright ~ (Ref. for Andrade-Bute)

One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? -- DIANE

That's some CSI thinking right there!

Great point!

When I saw the fight, I saw two distinct patterns emerge that enraged me.

1: The ref pampered Bute the entire fight. He kept Bute out of harms way by stopping the action to speak/warn Andrade whenever he seemed to be getting to Bute.

2: The Ref seemed to do everything within his power at the end to save Bute's win. It was blatant and obvious to me. It stunk to high heaven.

I agree with ICB's Taylor-Chavez fight comparison, this was the same thing. Only this time the ref didnt fuck Bute out of his win, he got up and the fight was over.

This is the Kessler fight, but you have to love the comments, they begin after the knock down, pretty funny and true :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rugY...-pg-4-a-4.html

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Originally Posted by Diane

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

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That was definitely a glaring omission, Wright should have definitely made him do that. I still don't think it was a horrible call not to stop it before Bute went down (although like I've said its not like it would have been unjustified to do so, I just think that late in the fight he should at least be put down before you stop it or be completely out on his feet) but even though I think it would have been harsh to stop it after he got up and the time ran out still there's no saving a fighter by the bell and he should have made him walk forward and checked him more carefully.

Maybe the outrage seems a bit excessive to me because I didn't see the whole fight and apparently Wright was coddlinig Bute the whole way. Just as far as the end goes, it was bad but I've definitely seen worse.

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Originally Posted by ICB

first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much

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Somehow I'm dumbfounded by this...
I read this about 35 times and I just couldn't get past it.
Looks like you just went in circles there... :hypnotized:

Either I'm an idiot or your trying to sneak one past me, cause everytime I read that I found myself scratching my head and starting over with "First off..."

At one point in the 35 readings I found myself agreeing with you just cause I was confused with the 1st part of it...

Anyone else having this problem or Am I the only one?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by ICB

first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much

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Somehow I'm dumbfounded by this...
I read this about 35 times and I just couldn't get past it.
Looks like you just went in circles there... :hypnotized:

Either I'm an idiot or your trying to sneak one past me, cause everytime I read that I found myself scratching my head and starting over with "First off..."

At one point in the 35 readings I found myself agreeing with you just cause I was confused with the 1st part of it...

Anyone else having this problem or Am I the only one?

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:lolhaha:

No, you're not the only one!!!

I was confused when I read it, but I let it go, because I had other things I wanted to address first. ;D

I'm glad you said something though. ;)

CMM, have you calmed down now mate

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Originally Posted by Plopeater

CMM, have you calmed down now mate

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No not really...
I don't think I will let this one go that easy.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

One thing I would like to point out. Why, and how, did the ref see Andrade supposedly move from the corner? When Bute went down, he instructed Andrade to go to the opposite corner, which Andrade did, Wright started his count with his back to Andrade, so why in the middle of his count would he check on Andrade? -- DIANE

That's some CSI thinking right there!

Great point!

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The ref took one look at bute's eyes and thought 'holy shit. i've got to do something to stall this, he's out on his feet. I know i'll look around and give andrade shit for not being 1 inch from the neutral turnbuckle. That's it."

Well just to add a little more to the story, and this has nothing to do with the ref, but I didn't hear anything about this during the fight. Although I might have missed it, since I was talking to Danny at the same time. Was anything mentioned about the issue with the missing gloves?

I guess after Bute's team selected the gloves, and they were signed off on, they came back an hour later saying that they changed their mind. Andrade's team wouldn't agree with the switch, and then hmmmm, Bute's gloves mysteriously go missing.


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I've been a fan of Andrade since he fought Kessler. It's a shame that a guy subjects himself to all he did against Bute just so a BS referee can take the W out of his hands.

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Originally Posted by Killface

I've been a fan of Andrade since he fought Kessler. It's a shame that a guy subjects himself to all he did against Bute just so a BS referee can take the W out of his hands.

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The ref didn't cost Andrade the fight.

When Bute was knocked down there were 3 seconds left on the clock!

All he had to do was get up within 10 seconds and he wins.

Count the amount of time he's on the floor. He gets to his feet on the count of 9 and by that I mean from the time he actually hits the floor, NOT the time from when the ref starts the count.

He survived the fight, barely and keeps his title. He would have won regardless of a long count or not becuase there was no time left in the fight.

I'm amazed people are still talking as if the ref cost Andrade a win becuase now we have all the facts and can analyse it without the emotion surrounding the immediate aftermath of the fight it's clear that Bute would have won anyway.

The only way Adrade wins is if the ref counts Bute out and given the fact that there was NO time left in the fight that would have been a fucking tragedy.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by ICB

first off how in the hell did the ref help Lucian Bute early on ? yes he let Lucian Bute hold a bit too much, but he wasn't clinching that much

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Somehow I'm dumbfounded by this...
I read this about 35 times and I just couldn't get past it.
Looks like you just went in circles there... :hypnotized:

Either I'm an idiot or your trying to sneak one past me, cause everytime I read that I found myself scratching my head and starting over with "First off..."

At one point in the 35 readings I found myself agreeing with you just cause I was confused with the 1st part of it...

Anyone else having this problem or Am I the only one?

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What i was basically saying is that you was making a big deal, out of the holding like its one of the worst things ever witnessed in the sport. He let him hold a bit too much which i agree on, but its hardly like it was helping or would have changed the outcome of the fight. And its hardly like Bute was clinching all the time was it ? and Andrade was also allowed to get away with fouls on the inside especially using his elbows, and he was never warned for that. So like i said it works both ways doesn't it ?

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Originally Posted by Diane

And it's not irrelevent, because Wright failed to check Bute properly to see if he was able to continue. Even though the round was over, after giving the count, Wright was supposed to make Bute take a few steps forward, to see if Bute would be able to continue to fight, but he did not do that. Wright let the ropes continue to hold Bute up. If Bute would have step forward, it would have been obvious to everyone that he would not have been able to continue, thus it should have gone as a TKO.

The ropes saved Bute from going outside of the ring at least 2 times prior to the knock down, and he stopped defending himself with 35 seconds left! He was done!

I like Bute, don't get me wrong, and he was clearly winning the fight until the 12th round, but I'm not going to be blind to what occurred, just because I like a fighter.

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Diane to my knowledge there is nothing in the rules, that states you cannot lean against the ropes after getting up from a knockdown. Also after the fight was finished Bute clearly walked forward to his corner. With no real trouble from my memory so i don't understand what your getting at ?

Bute was in real trouble before the knockdown but Andrade was still struggling, to land clean punches until the last 19 seconds. And in no way shape or form should any ref of stopped the fight before the knockdown.

To answer your other question i believe in the rules, it states that you have to check the other fighter is in the neutral corner. This is where Richard Steele made a mistake in the Taylor vs Chavez fight, because Chavez wasn't in the neutral corner and he didn't bother checking.