Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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That is quite interesting, I agree.
Not sure that you'd develop core strength purely through eating a diet higher in protein and carbohydrates.
You'd have to factor in some core training as well which Floyds seems to be fantastic. Havn't seen much of Ricky's core regimen ( not to say it isn't good)
Also if you are draining yourself to be at a lower weight then all of your muscles will probably be weaker, including your core muscles, than they would be if you were at your optimum weight.
Who said anything about draining... its strict regime... correct trainig & nutrition ...if Hatton strips the fat & excess fluid down through a combo of decent aerobic & anaerobic training .. whats he left with .. lean muscle, lean muscle that dont have to carry the extra fat around..
The carbs of the diet would be used as training fuel essentially so there would be no excess gained or stored,,,
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Sorry, i'm not understanding your point. I don't mean that in a rude way.....i'm just a little confused by your post. I think he was talking about Floyd being weight-drained.....not Ricky. :)
Sorry bud my mis understanding ... lol but Im getting it at all angles & trying to be fair in replyi to you all is no mean fete :lolololol:
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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I've read all your responses since this post and I still can't understand how if you know you're fighting the best pound for pound fighter in the world that the weight is going to effect your training and dedication.
If you can't cut out the meat pies and the guiness for a fight like this then he shouldn't have took the fight.
If he didn't think he would be able to beat Floyd at 147 then he shouldn't have took the fight (we all know that both he and Billy Graham said that Floyd looked small compared to Ricky before the fight and that he would be in trouble because of it).
So I find it funny that after Ricky and Billy Graham both squashed the weight arguement before the fight even begun, people now turn 180 and say it was 'because of the weight, Ricky wasn't hungry enough'.
Come on now! Ricky even said himself that he was training as though he was fighting for a light welterweight contest so that arguement is complete rubbish imo and doesn't wash with me. Good effort though.
Then why did Billy Graham if ya remember after the fight come to the mike & say I told you all he was a lite welter...
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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Sorry for the double post. Not sure why it did that.
:lolololol:Its ok bud .. interesting post tho ... Ive worked in the fitness industry for the last 20 years or so as an adviser, presenter, course tutor, personal trainer, & Gym manager, used to box a little but did a lot of Judo competiton & suffered re the weight as I weighed 82 kgs, and I know who ever I fought in the under 86 kgs was always a lot harde than when I fought in the under 78 kgs wher I really had to work & train hard to make the weight but I was so much sharper and with so much more stamina as well as being less sluggish too
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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.
Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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ono
Sorry for the double post. Not sure why it did that.
:lolololol:Its ok bud .. interesting post tho ... Ive worked in the fitness industry for the last 20 years or so as an adviser, presenter, course tutor, personal trainer, & Gym manager, used to box a little but did a lot of Judo competiton & suffered re the weight as I weighed 82 kgs, and I know who ever I fought in the under 86 kgs was always a lot harde than when I fought in the under 78 kgs wher I really had to work & train hard to make the weight but I was so much sharper and with so much more stamina as well as being less sluggish too
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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.
Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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:lolololol:Its ok bud .. interesting post tho ... Ive worked in the fitness industry for the last 20 years or so as an adviser, presenter, course tutor, personal trainer, & Gym manager, used to box a little but did a lot of Judo competiton & suffered re the weight as I weighed 82 kgs, and I know who ever I fought in the under 86 kgs was always a lot harde than when I fought in the under 78 kgs wher I really had to work & train hard to make the weight but I was so much sharper and with so much more stamina as well as being less sluggish too
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Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.
Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...
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Premier Global. It's for 16 points on REPS. I'm amazed really. So different from what you read in fitness magazines. Some top class advice in there. Just going through a section on free radicals at the minute.....tis all goood fun ;D
Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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ono
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bambamdaddio
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ono
Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.
Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...
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Premier Global. It's for 16 points on REPS. I'm amazed really. So different from what you read in fitness magazines. Some top class advice in there. Just going through a section on free radicals at the minute.....tis all goood fun ;D
Nice one bud & good luck in all ya do too..
Lol ya got me feeling my age as its a while since I did a college course & feeling rusty & crusty :lolololol:
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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Spot on Bro .. simple as that :beerchug:
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But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.
Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.
OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...
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Reading comprehension is your friend.
I'm saying that, essentially, your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.
It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.
There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.
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But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.
Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.
OK so if the weight of thefight has nothing to do with it ... why then does Hatton continue & have the majority of his career at lite welter .. why not figjht at welter where there is more money why go down to lite welter again .. because it makes a difference to him ..why cant you understand that ... how many fights as hatton had at lite welter....how many has he had at welter....why ... because that division is his best division...its not hard to understand...
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Reading comprehension is your friend.
I'm saying that, essentially,
your point isn't about the weight, it is that Hatton is too undisciplined to come up at the weight which is best for him. You're implying that he didn't train as hard as he should have and that he didn't come in to the ring in the best shape. That's a problem with Hatton, not the weight the fight took place at, even though Hatton himself said they purposefully weighed in under the 147 limit to get that so called edge.
It's also somewhat ridiculous to expect Floyd Mayweather, the guy Hatton was chasing a fight with, to come down two divisions for the fight, that's not practical.
There's a shit load of money waiting for Hatton at whatever weight he chooses to fight at, welter, jr. welter, he's making the same amount of coin.
Yes ok, thats fine..
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
I think you look at the difference in the fighter, Mayweather ability to move, and throw combinations decreased significantly as he went up to welterweight, it reminded me of Roy Jones when he took on John Ruiz. Ricky Hatton retained virtually the same speed in every department, he looked the same. WHen a guy like Mayweather really has to bulk up to make welterweight then he is the smaller guy, I mean he was a small junior welterweight, and If you look back people used to use the arguement that Hatton would beat Floyd around the Hatton-Tszyu and Mayweather-Gatti because Mayweather never delt with strength or size like HAtton brought to the table.
Hatton's size is misleading because he is short, but like Miguel Cotto(to a lesser extent), and Joshua Clottey, he is has a very condensed body whereas Mayweather has a lean body, longer body. WHen Mayweather went up to welterweight he blew up in muscle size, but that isn't the same as natural strength and size, as Mosley-Wright would indicate. Mosley was naturally stronger, but in the ring he wasn't stronger because that strength was purely explosive fast fibers, in terms of retention of strength Winky had the upper edge. We saw it with Calzaghe against Lacy where he muscled Lacy around the ring, not jsut outboxed him. There were a few times in the Hatton-Mayweather fight where Hatton easily maneuvered Mayweather, and he no problem keeping Mayweather on the ropes, but like against Corrales the longer Mayweather was pot shotting Hatton, just like he did to Corrales it weakens them. Mayweather wasn't the stronger man, but he was in better shape(which is better than anyone's in boxing), and he let Hatton wear himself out.
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Mayweather wasn't the stronger man, but he was in better shape(which is better than anyone's in boxing
Sycophant!!!
Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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ono
Cool, i'm halfway through getting my diploma in sports nutrition.
Nice one bud who ya doing it with, the gov or private sector ie premier, focus, ocsm etc .... fascinating stuff tho aint it & really opens your eyes too...
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Premier Global. It's for 16 points on REPS. I'm amazed really. So different from what you read in fitness magazines. Some top class advice in there. Just going through a section on free radicals at the minute.....tis all goood fun ;D
That's who I did mine with 7 years ago. Give me a shout if you need any help with any of it. Although I looked at some of the course material now and it's changed quite a bit!
I've still kept up to date thanks to working with some awesome people though.
Good luck with it
Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,
Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....
Why???????
Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...
He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....
& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...
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I've read all your responses since this post and I still can't understand how if you know you're fighting the best pound for pound fighter in the world that the weight is going to effect your training and dedication.
If you can't cut out the meat pies and the guiness for a fight like this then he shouldn't have took the fight.
If he didn't think he would be able to beat Floyd at 147 then he shouldn't have took the fight (we all know that both he and Billy Graham said that Floyd looked small compared to Ricky before the fight and that he would be in trouble because of it).
So I find it funny that after Ricky and Billy Graham both squashed the weight arguement before the fight even begun, people now turn 180 and say it was 'because of the weight, Ricky wasn't hungry enough'.
Come on now! Ricky even said himself that he was training as though he was fighting for a light welterweight contest so that arguement is complete rubbish imo and doesn't wash with me. Good effort though.
Then why did Billy Graham if ya remember after the fight come to the mike & say I told you all he was a lite welter...
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I'll tell ya just as soon as you tell me why he said before the fight that Hatton was the bigger man and that Floyd was going to be in trouble for it? It's all excuses at the end of the day after his fighter lost...
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Re: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)
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I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.
Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.
So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.
So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.
This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.
Floyd was coming down from light middleweight . Hatton was moving up from lightwelter
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I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.
Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.
So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.
So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.
This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.
Floyd was coming down from light middleweight . Hatton was moving up from lightwelter
I realize that but how would the fight have been different at 140?
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GAME
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Beanflicker
I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.
Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.
So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.
So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.
This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.
Floyd was coming down from light middleweight . Hatton was moving up from lightwelter
I realize that but how would the fight have been different at 140?
Hatton might have survived until the 11th instead ;D
