Re: Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?
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But thats totally different GAME, Manny Pacquiao wasn't anywhere close to what he is now and he was still very raw and young plus that was 10 years ago. And we all know that he was badly weight-drained thats why he lost his title on the scales.
Thats totally different to MAB who was in his peak, because he became a better boxer after losing to Junior Jones x2. And he was coming off the best wins of his career against Johnny Tapia, Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, ETC.
And he was P4P number 3, yes he was having problems prior to the fight, but you still can't say MAB wasn't in his peak because he was.
And you say he made his pro debut in 1989, but what does that prove ? he was 15 when he made his pro debut. And and about 28 of his fights were against mediocre opponents, because he was a boy fighting men. He was only 29 in the Manny Pacquiao fight, and he was in his peak coming off his best performances of his career.
Im a big MAB fan but sometimes you just have to be honest, Manny Pacquiao had MAB's number end of. I agree that the 2nd fight doesn't mean that much, but the 1st fight clearly does. That was a great win for Manny Pacquiao, and i was sad when i see it.
But facts are facts GAME Manny Pacquiao has got MAB's number, but thats nothing to be ashamed of. Because all great fighters meet a certain style they can't handle, and Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter himself.
Thats your opinion and you can belive what you like but you are very quick to make excuses for Pacs losses. Dont you think it had anything to do with him losing to the better man that night?
I happen to believe boxing is all about stages of career and a fighter may lose to a lesser fighter just because he isnt at his best anymore. There are several examples of this
I do not think that Singursat is better than Pac but he got him at the right time
I do not think Berbick is better than Ali but he got him at the right time
I do not think Rahman is better than Lewis but he got him at the right time
I do not think Willy Wise is better than Chavez but he got him at the right time
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I do not think Manny is better than Barrera or Oscar. He just got them at the right time.
Thats boxing.
I don't really think Hasim Rahman got Lennox Lewis at the right time, it was more due to Lennox Lewis taking Hasim Rahman lightly.
And Lennox Lewis got caught by a lucky punch and if they fought 100 times, they would never happen again. And again i fail to see the comparison here.
I always take exception when i read something like that. Cuz it makes no sense. The main objection in Boxing is to hit your opponent. Why is Rahman's punch lucky?
Re: Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?
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Thats your opinion and you can belive what you like but you are very quick to make excuses for Pacs losses. Dont you think it had anything to do with him losing to the better man that night?
I happen to believe boxing is all about stages of career and a fighter may lose to a lesser fighter just because he isnt at his best anymore. There are several examples of this
I do not think that Singursat is better than Pac but he got him at the right time
I do not think Berbick is better than Ali but he got him at the right time
I do not think Rahman is better than Lewis but he got him at the right time
I do not think Willy Wise is better than Chavez but he got him at the right time
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I do not think Manny is better than Barrera or Oscar. He just got them at the right time.
Thats boxing.
I don't really think Hasim Rahman got Lennox Lewis at the right time, it was more due to Lennox Lewis taking Hasim Rahman lightly.
And Lennox Lewis got caught by a lucky punch and if they fought 100 times, they would never happen again. And again i fail to see the comparison here.
I always take exception when i read something like that. Cuz it makes no sense. The main objection in Boxing is to hit your opponent. Why is Rahman's punch lucky?
For real. I hate to this day watching Lennox get knocked silly like that; but that is one punch I can say wasn't lucky. And as you said; they make a living off throwing punches and though Rahman isn't the best HW that ever lived he didn't get where he did throwing lucky ones. Flip the coin and you could say Lewis got lucky in the rematch.
Re: Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?
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I don't really think Hasim Rahman got Lennox Lewis at the right time, it was more due to Lennox Lewis taking Hasim Rahman lightly. And Lennox Lewis got caught by a lucky punch and if they fought 100 times, they would never happen again. And again i fail to see the comparison here.
I always take exception when i read something like that. Cuz it makes no sense. The main objection in Boxing is to hit your opponent. Why is Rahman's punch lucky?
For real.
I hate to this day watching Lennox get knocked silly like that; but that is one punch I can say wasn't lucky. And as you said; they make a living off throwing punches and though Rahman isn't the best HW that ever lived he didn't get where he did throwing lucky ones. Flip the coin and you could say Lewis got lucky in the rematch.
I thought it was one of the greatest things ever. Nothing against Lewis. But that idiotic grin on his face as he backed away with his hands down irritated me. Than BAM! Down he goes. And hard. Looked like a sniper got his ass. All time great classic moment
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I always take exception when i read something like that. Cuz it makes no sense. The main objection in Boxing is to hit your opponent. Why is Rahman's punch lucky?
For real.
I hate to this day watching Lennox get knocked silly like that; but that is one punch I can say wasn't lucky. And as you said; they make a living off throwing punches and though Rahman isn't the best HW that ever lived he didn't get where he did throwing lucky ones. Flip the coin and you could say Lewis got lucky in the rematch.
I thought it was one of the greatest things ever. Nothing against Lewis. But that idiotic grin on his face as he backed away with his hands down irritated me. Than BAM! Down he goes. And hard. Looked like a sniper got his ass. All time great classic moment
Well I guess it depends on viewpoint; I just about needed kleenex and IV fluids to keep me afloat.
But I'll say in a way I agree with you because it humiliated Lewis enough to get his sh#t back together and about decapitate Rahman in the rematch; which was good enough for me. Teach him to be making movies and showing up to a training camp weeks before a fight if I remember right. Lessons learned te hard way are sometimes the best.
Re: Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?
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Violent Demise
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ICB
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Thats your opinion and you can belive what you like but you are very quick to make excuses for Pacs losses. Dont you think it had anything to do with him losing to the better man that night?
I happen to believe boxing is all about stages of career and a fighter may lose to a lesser fighter just because he isnt at his best anymore. There are several examples of this
I do not think that Singursat is better than Pac but he got him at the right time
I do not think Berbick is better than Ali but he got him at the right time
I do not think Rahman is better than Lewis but he got him at the right time
I do not think Willy Wise is better than Chavez but he got him at the right time
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I do not think Manny is better than Barrera or Oscar. He just got them at the right time.
Thats boxing.
I don't really think Hasim Rahman got Lennox Lewis at the right time, it was more due to Lennox Lewis taking Hasim Rahman lightly.
And Lennox Lewis got caught by a lucky punch and if they fought 100 times, they would never happen again. And again i fail to see the comparison here.
I always take exception when i read something like that. Cuz it makes no sense. The main objection in Boxing is to hit your opponent. Why is Rahman's punch lucky?
It wasn't a l;ucky punch it was a well timed shot against a fighter who came in Cocky, undertrained thinking there was no need to take his opponent seriously.
Same fate he suffered in the McCall fight.
I am the biggest Lewis fan on this board as most the long time members know but the thruth is the truth.
Though it killed me to see Lennox dropped like that he showed what he was made of by coming back to not only win the rematch but completly dominate it and make Rahman a fool of.
He did what a champion should.
Re: Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?
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Is an exciting popular KO boxer bad for boxing?:o
Got to be one of the stupidest thread titles I have ever read since I have been posting on this site.:-X
Coz the title is so crazey/stupid I have not bothered to read to even read any of the posts on it.:mad:
Re: Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?
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Violent Demise
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ICB
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GAME
Thats your opinion and you can belive what you like but you are very quick to make excuses for Pacs losses. Dont you think it had anything to do with him losing to the better man that night?
I happen to believe boxing is all about stages of career and a fighter may lose to a lesser fighter just because he isnt at his best anymore. There are several examples of this
I do not think that Singursat is better than Pac but he got him at the right time
I do not think Berbick is better than Ali but he got him at the right time
I do not think Rahman is better than Lewis but he got him at the right time
I do not think Willy Wise is better than Chavez but he got him at the right time
and
I do not think Manny is better than Barrera or Oscar. He just got them at the right time.
Thats boxing.
I don't really think Hasim Rahman got Lennox Lewis at the right time, it was more due to Lennox Lewis taking Hasim Rahman lightly.
And Lennox Lewis got caught by a lucky punch and if they fought 100 times, they would never happen again. And again i fail to see the comparison here.
I always take exception when i read something like that. Cuz it makes no sense. The main objection in Boxing is to hit your opponent. Why is Rahman's punch lucky?
I mean lucky in a way that if they fought 100 times, that would never happen again. Because Hasim Rahman clearly isn't nowhere near Lennox Lewis's class. But i agree that Lennox Lewis deserved it for acting like an idiot, going backwards in a straight line then dropping his hands, what does he think is going to happen ?
