Julio Jr. vs. Andy Lee Saturday night fight/chat thread

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Originally Posted by Master

Just saw the end, where was the ref? That was brutal and he was defenseless.

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Cole jumped in and waved it off at the right time Master, any sooner and they would have said it was premature.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

For what it is worth, I had Chavez up 4-2 at the time the fight ended. Also, while Chavez may well have been 175 at fight time, there's no way on earth that Lee wasn't as well. Not having seen Chavez before, and reading the disregard in which he is held on-line, I wasn't expecting much. But I thought he fought really well, he is a much better fighter than Lee.
He reminded me of his father with his patient start (there is a difference between starting slow and taking your time), and once he got Lee sorted out and dialed in, he made him fight his fight and beat him down. It is easy to say he should have moved and jabbed, but it is less easy to do when a guy is cutting off the ring and keeping you in front of him. Doesn't strike me that 'sticking and moving' in Lee's game anyway. As to the ring size, Lee's trainer and manager knows the game pretty good himself. If he thought it would be an issue, he has never been known to be shy.

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I can understand you having it 4-2 for Chavez, because even though Lee might have been up 4-2 on the judges scorecards, Chavez' punches were far more effective. Andy would connect with punches but they didn't move Jr.

I wouldn't mind chavez it just seems tho that he's being let to get away with some shit with the whole botched drug testin a few months back, and not producin a sample yesterday, just seems shady....he's gona have a chance against sergio since hell outweigh him by 20lbs

Chavez looked really good in there last night.
He surprised me on how easy he was taking Lee's shots, as well as landing his own vicious body punching to follow up up-stairs.

As far as the Martinez/Chavez fight I still give the edge to Martinez.
Chavez will impose his size and strength, and Martinez will get roughed up and bullied for sure. But, last night Lee landed two of his best shots in a straight left and a right hook up top. Those are coincidentally Martinez's two best punches, not too mention the jab Lee kept landing. As much as Martinez will get in close to land his shots, I don't believe he will trade punches with Chavez. IMO, he will circle and land his overhand left/straight with right hook over the top ( similar to what Pacquiao does) and box Chavez's ear off if not stopping him from Julio taking too much flush shots. I would be really surprised if Chavez was stopped though.

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Originally Posted by armin

I wouldn't mind chavez it just seems tho that he's being let to get away with some shit with the whole botched drug testin a few months back, and not producin a sample yesterday, just seems shady....he's gona have a chance against sergio since hell outweigh him by 20lbs

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I don't get why the Texas Boxing Commission doesn't do testing, I thought that was mandatory everywhere. Jr. may not be using PEDs, but I believe he needs to be tested and get that cleared up, something stinks to high heaven.

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Originally Posted by hardcore_crash

Chavez looked really good in there last night.
He surprised me on how easy he was taking Lee's shots, as well as landing his own vicious body punching to follow up up-stairs.

As far as the Martinez/Chavez fight I still give the edge to Martinez.
Chavez will impose his size and strength, and Martinez will get roughed up and bullied for sure. But, last night Lee landed two of his best shots in a straight left and a right hook up top. Those are coincidentally Martinez's two best punches, not too mention the jab Lee kept landing. As much as Martinez will get in close to land his shots, I don't believe he will trade punches with Chavez. IMO, he will circle and land his overhand left/straight with right hook over the top ( similar to what Pacquiao does) and box Chavez's ear off if not stopping him from Julio taking too much flush shots. I would be really surprised if Chavez was stopped though.

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Truth be told Chavez is A LOT closer to Martinez's stable mate Gabriel Campillo's size than Sergio's size.

Still think Sergio would school him, but there would be some rough spots as Chavez is very determined, strong and a good body puncher.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by armin

I wouldn't mind chavez it just seems tho that he's being let to get away with some shit with the whole botched drug testin a few months back, and not producin a sample yesterday, just seems shady....he's gona have a chance against sergio since hell outweigh him by 20lbs

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I don't get why the Texas Boxing Commission doesn't do testing, I thought that was mandatory everywhere. Jr. may not be using PEDs, but I believe he needs to be tested and get that cleared up, something stinks to high heaven.

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He was unable to provide a sample apparently. I guess that's because he was so dehydrated. Geeh I wonder what he will do then for same day weigh ins lol. Probably claim his dick is at the mechanics.

I don't get extremely upset all that much but the history involving this kid really gets under my skin and its does go back to his father whose career I also watched. This is not the first time he was able to bypass a piss test either.

What gets under my skin more then anything is the glove thing. I cant recall anytime in all of boxing modern day history when a title holder was allowed to bring his own gloves from home or whatever and then refuse to have them scrutinized.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

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Originally Posted by armin

I wouldn't mind chavez it just seems tho that he's being let to get away with some shit with the whole botched drug testin a few months back, and not producin a sample yesterday, just seems shady....he's gona have a chance against sergio since hell outweigh him by 20lbs

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I don't get why the Texas Boxing Commission doesn't do testing, I thought that was mandatory everywhere. Jr. may not be using PEDs, but I believe he needs to be tested and get that cleared up, something stinks to high heaven.

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He was unable to provide a sample apparently. I guess that's because he was so dehydrated. Geeh I wonder what he will do then for same day weigh ins lol. Probably claim his dick is at the mechanics.

I don't get extremely upset all that much but the history involving this kid really gets under my skin and its does go back to his father whose career I also watched. This is not the first time he was able to bypass a piss test either.

What gets under my skin more then anything is the glove thing. I cant recall anytime in all of boxing modern day history when a title holder was allowed to bring his own gloves from home or whatever and then refuse to have them scrutinized.

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yeah somethin definitely ain't right but the comission is apparently letting him do whatever the fuck he and his team want to

Still can't see Martinez losing to Chavez. If Lee can outbox him marginally Martinez will beat him down and bad.

the writing was on the wall for Lee from the 4 th round on

Thanks for covering the fight for me fellas. I didn't post on it, but I read about it. I also watched the card on NBCSports which was ok I guess. Sad that Lee lost, but I don't know, he seems to have found his level and it's just not world class right now and I am doubting it ever will be unless the top guys at 160 move to 168 or Andy somehow fills out his frame and develops more power or suddenly develops a defense.

Junior has developed into a good middleweight over the past two years. He has wins over Zbik, Lee and Rubio, pretty quality opposition. Ask yourself which middleweights you would favor over him right now. Pirog, Golovkin, Sturm maybe, Geale maybe, Quillin maybe.

His fight with Martinez will be a good fight. It's not game-set-match for Martinez, like it appeared to be a while ago. He's so much bigger than Martinez and he'll hit Martinez with the strongest punches Martinez will have been hit with, maybe ever. Lefkowitz already said that he planned on requesting a 20/20 ring and that the fight will be in Nevada where they test for drugs. I had no idea drug testing wasn't required in Texas. Is that really the case? Also, what is with the rumor about same-day weighing in that I heard the WBC is implementing from now on. That might make it impossible for Junior to fight for a WBC belt at 160, if he couldn't even provide a urine sample because he was so dehydrated.

Quillen is a stablemate of Junior's though as they are both trained by Freddy Roach. I think at this point Quillen is too raw to fight JC Jr., but eventually he could compete. I don't think Quillen has had his chin tested yet either

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Originally Posted by Master

This is on Box nation tonight,did they show it live?

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Yes.

As far as Chavez versus Martinez goes I think Martinez wins but Chavez gets the decision.

And I don't believe those scorecards. I think that's just so that the next time there's a massive robbery in Texas the commission can point to them and say, look, we had Lee ahead of Chavez.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Junior has developed into a good middleweight over the past two years. He has wins over Zbik, Lee and Rubio, pretty quality opposition. Ask yourself which middleweights you would favor over him right now. Pirog, Golovkin, Sturm maybe, Geale maybe, Quillin maybe.

His fight with Martinez will be a good fight. It's not game-set-match for Martinez, like it appeared to be a while ago. He's so much bigger than Martinez and he'll hit Martinez with the strongest punches Martinez will have been hit with, maybe ever. Lefkowitz already said that he planned on requesting a 20/20 ring and that the fight will be in Nevada where they test for drugs. I had no idea drug testing wasn't required in Texas. Is that really the case? Also, what is with the rumor about same-day weighing in that I heard the WBC is implementing from now on. That might make it impossible for Junior to fight for a WBC belt at 160, if he couldn't even provide a urine sample because he was so dehydrated.

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Huh a good middleweight?? He's a freakin light-heavyweight and unless the Chavez family friend Jose backs off on implementing same day weigh ins as of June 30th, he will never fight at middle again. Oh I know they already have Martinez listed at boxrec and all kinds of people are claiming its done out of both camps but I'll wait for the bell.