Romney vs. Obama - 2012 Presidential Debates - Let's score it!

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I cannot get over how fickle the US general public is. Latest polls apparently have Romney ahead and on the back of what exactly? He blatantly showed contempt for half of the nation and on the back of a debate which showed him talking out of his arse, people have now decided 'he'll do then'. It is nonsense. Part of me cannot help but feel it is all one big pantomime, a giant puppet show and the ultimate aim is just to give the masses a good show. 5 days later it will be back in Obama's favour and you find that what you really have is nothing more than Presidential pop idol.

What an absolute joke of a political process. No firm policies and we know for a fact that any half baked pledges will never be implemented. As ever there is no accountancy in US politics, just a huge charade and a lot of rancid air being blown around.

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And what's even stranger is our " joke of a political process" has been copied by other countries around the world. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I cannot get over how fickle the US general public is. Latest polls apparently have Romney ahead and on the back of what exactly? He blatantly showed contempt for half of the nation and on the back of a debate which showed him talking out of his arse, people have now decided 'he'll do then'. It is nonsense. Part of me cannot help but feel it is all one big pantomime, a giant puppet show and the ultimate aim is just to give the masses a good show. 5 days later it will be back in Obama's favour and you find that what you really have is nothing more than Presidential pop idol.

What an absolute joke of a political process. No firm policies and we know for a fact that any half baked pledges will never be implemented. As ever there is no accountancy in US politics, just a huge charade and a lot of rancid air being blown around.

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And what's even stranger is our " joke of a political process" has been copied by other countries around the world. :rolleyes:

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I believe very few nations have a 'democracy' quite like that of the USA. It is a two party dictatorship where the will of the general population is largely ignored. At least real dictatorships don't pretend to be anything other than what they are. Romney or Obama? Behind closed doors its the same old teams of advisers regardless of who gets in. An elite for the elite and a few crumbs passed down to a general public that gets the raw end of the stick. Forty years of history is proof of the pudding.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I believe very few nations have a 'democracy' quite like that of the USA. It is a two party dictatorship where the will of the general population is largely ignored. At least real dictatorships don't pretend to be anything other than what they are. Romney or Obama? Behind closed doors its the same old teams of advisers regardless of who gets in. An elite for the elite and a few crumbs passed down to a general public that gets the raw end of the stick. Forty years of history is proof of the pudding.

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:vd: we're not a God damned Democracy we're a Constitutional Republic! When we say The Pledge of Allegiance we don't pledge allegiance to The Democracy, we pledge "To the Republic".

You claim to run on democratic principles, thus you are surely, at least in name, a democracy.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

You claim to run on democratic principles, thus you are surely, at least in name, a democracy.

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Republic

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

You claim to run on democratic principles, thus you are surely, at least in name, a democracy.

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Republic

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Your quibbling over nothing. You are a republic founded upon democratic principles.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

You claim to run on democratic principles, thus you are surely, at least in name, a democracy.

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Republic

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Your quibbling over nothing. You are a republic founded upon democratic principles.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-gEkKzRvbI

You are being silly. You have no Queen thus are a Republic. Yes or No?
You claim to be a leading democracy? Yes or No?

I will disagree on one answer, but I don't know why you keep refuting Democracy. Well....hahahaha....considering recent years of course I can.

Nothing democratic about Guan tam, or Bradley Manning, or forcing protesters from their grounds.

America is a republic! But has no democracy.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

You are being silly. You have no Queen thus are a Republic. Yes or No?
You claim to be a leading democracy? Yes or No?

I will disagree on one answer, but I don't know why you keep refuting Democracy. Well....hahahaha....considering recent years of course I can.

Nothing democratic about Guan tam, or Bradley Manning, or forcing protesters from their grounds.

America is a republic! But has no democracy.

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miles, all due respect but you're a fucking moron.

Bradley Manning, and this is important so read it slowly and carefully, BROKE...THE...LAW ergo he is being punished. He could have been put to death for what he did.

When protesters are on PRIVATE property then the owner of said property can say whether or not they can stay and eventually the owner of Zuccatti Park got tired of the dirty little Fauxhemians and Trustafarians trashing their property....plus they were keeping people from going to work, keeping people from earning a living, keeping people from buying goods and services in that area like some sort of hipster led blockade. America is about Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Property and if you hinder one of those you've violated our most simple of laws and the protestors did that....I would tell them to get jobs, but in Obama's economy that's hard enough for normal people much less those walking shitstains who are too fucking lazy and entitled to do work.

Lyle, Manning revealed hushed up crimes in. Are we to assume that a moral man would be wrong in releasing that data? To be put to death for that would make you look the lowest of the low internationally. Again.

Your final argument is a horse stain. Protesters were split up and abused and then sanctioned out. No coming back. Can you blame them for giving up when they really are not considered.

Society is effectively crushed and is so because of the two party dictatorship. There is no alternative to fight for. Nobody will pick up you cause.

The whole thing is a dumbed down pantomime.

I will further add that law no longer exists in an environment that doesn't respect the Geneva Conventions. Manning was wrong? And Guantanamo Bay is right?

It is just so absurdly nonsensical. Look at America, the people within might think it is meaningful, but everyone else knows what America is. Let the charade continue. A few drones tonight, yeah?

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Lyle, Manning revealed hushed up crimes in. Are we to assume that a moral man would be wrong in releasing that data? To be put to death for that would make you look the lowest of the low internationally. Again.

Your final argument is a horse stain. Protesters were split up and abused and then sanctioned out. No coming back. Can you blame them for giving up when they really are not considered.

Society is effectively crushed and is so because of the two party dictatorship. There is no alternative to fight for. Nobody will pick up you cause.

The whole thing is a dumbed down pantomime.

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List of charges against Bradley Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia those are the charges against Manning and they are hefty and very serious

The Occupy Wall Street movement was stupid, those protesters are stupid, and you cannot "do as you please" on property you don't own. Did THEY pay for the clean up? Did THEY pay taxes on the property? Did THEY buy the property? NO they are just a bunch of crying little children who need to learn that gtood lives aren't just handed out to any schmuck walking down the street, people WORK people save, people EARN a better life....those dumbasses just want me to pay for them to go to school forever and I won't because it's not fucking productive.

Manning revealed war crimes perpetuated by your government. That is the act of a hero.
It amazes me why Manning has been treated like he has, but I see it is because too many in your country are so incredibly dumb, vulgar and lacking in any sense of justice.

Lyle, you speak like a man that has never been poor. You clearly have no idea what it is like. It is hard and when you are left to crony capitalism, you have a right to get upset.

When entire communities suddenly exist in China, what do you do? Very little, the community is decimated in the states. It has happened everywhere.

My only real escape from the similar situation facing Americans was to get out and never come back. I have done very well, but everyone will need to find their own path.

The current Western Models are a tragedy. America beyond all description.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Manning revealed war crimes perpetuated by your government. That is the act of a hero.
It amazes me why Manning has been treated like he has, but I see it is because too many in your country are so incredibly dumb, vulgar and lacking in any sense of justice.

Lyle, you speak like a man that has never been poor. You clearly have no idea what it is like. It is hard and when you are left to crony capitalism, you have a right to get upset.

When entire communities suddenly exist in China, what do you do? Very little, the community is decimated in the states. It has happened everywhere.

My only real escape from the similar situation facing Americans was to get out and never come back. I have done very well, but everyone will need to find their own path.

The current Western Models are a tragedy. America beyond all description.

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Manning broke the law, what about that did you not get?

I've been poor before but why would protesters wish to create MORE poor people by blocking their businesses and keeping them from going to work not the Wall Street guys, but the people running the diners and coffee shops and bakeries around that park? Those OWS people don't know from poor, they are not the downtrodden they are simply the entitled, selfish, knowitall brats who want a good life HANDED to them "Pay for my school, pay for my healthcare, pay for my bills"....GET....A....JOB.

Manning broke a law, but would you not do so for a moral principle?

No, you have NEVER known poor. You are a fake Lyle. Poor is losing your parents, losing a home, killing a dog, then being teased at school for being a homeless type.

You have never been through it, but many Americans have. And maybe that is why I relate more.

American's have been given hell and your arguments are just daft. Support Romney? To an ordinary person it is a stupid choice. Clearly they must VOTE OBAMA.