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You think Nathan - never beat a champion - Cleverly is the bollocks too though ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I do not suffer being starstruck by HBO or any one else,! Golovkin is a very good fighter rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
he is a proper Middle-Weight. Look at the fighter not the network, I've seen many fighters through
the years, and it takes a special fighter for me to take interest, GGG is the real deal no Hype no
bullshit. ;)
Yeppppppppppppppp;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou think Nathan - never beat a champion - Cleverly is the bollocks too though ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoI do not suffer being starstruck by HBO or any one else,! Golovkin is a very good fighter rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
he is a proper Middle-Weight. Look at the fighter not the network, I've seen many fighters through
the years, and it takes a special fighter for me to take interest, GGG is the real deal no Hype no
bullshit. ;)
He looks very good but let's not go overboard here. Let's see him take on some of the better 160lbers first before we start bigging him up as "the man" or the next big thing (if he can get them in the ring that is). Taking out Macklin like that was impressive, but he was only a fringe world level fighter. It's a bit premature to be saying he'd definitely clear out the division and start calling for him to move up and take on the likes of Froch and Ward when he's still got some important fights at 160 to make.
Perhaps we should go a little overboard, his amateur record of 345-5 is something else he
was putting them away in the amateurs, as he does as a pro.
GGG is bring excitement to the division, and hes got people talking and whats wrong with that,!
plus he is very good , don't kid yourselves you NO he is.;)
Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I was suprised at how relaxed he was in that fight. Some fighters (even big punchers like him) show signs of nervousness when they're on the big stage like that. I didn't see any of that in GGG. Very relaxed, cutting of the ring etc...and he took 2.5 rounds to KO a VERY GOOD fighter. As for who he should fight next...the rumor is they're going for JCC Jr.
At his age and after his injuries Martinez couldn't fairly be expected to last twelve rounds against Golovkin. He gets knocked down in pretty much every fight and at some point against Golovkin he won't get back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
HBO are going to make sure they keep him on their network and Quillin is GBP/Showtime. Highly unlikely that gets made.
I'd back Golovkin to spark Barker, Murray and Geale on the same night and still have change from twelve rounds. Arum won't let Chavez Junior in the same time zone as Golovkin. That leaves Froch and Ward as fights HBO want and can get made. Maybe an HBO fight against a Macklin-level middle or a credible test at 168 to see how he is at the weight and then he fights one of those two guys. I'm guessing. :)
Credit to Macklin in facing him, I can't see the other Champions in any hurry to face him, can you,!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Martinez, Quillin, etc would be dispatched in short order, the talk goes he sparked Quillin in sparring
so I can't see that fight happening.
Barker and Murray well , Barker sparked in 1 round, Murray in about 3 rounds, I don't kid myself
Golovkin is well capable of this feat.!
I dont think Chavez will go near him after what happend in sparringQuote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
You know I also liked seeing from GGG is his class when Macklin tripped. I think twice there were times when GGG could have pounced on Macklin, but chose the road of a true sportsman. It's hard not to like the guy.
I'd back him to beat them all too, but I'd like to see him go out and actually do it. I know it's a cliche, but sports aren't played on paper. It's no good saying he'd beat them all anyway so he may as well not bother. If he can't get them in the ring for whatever reason e.g the reasons you give for the Quillin fight being unlikely then fair enough, move up up. I'd just like to see him try and get these fighters in the ring and clear out 160, or at least knock off a couple more of the top middleweights first. He's looked bloody impressive so far but he has only beaten Macklin really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAt his age and after his injuries Martinez couldn't fairly be expected to last twelve rounds against Golovkin. He gets knocked down in pretty much every fight and at some point against Golovkin he won't get back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
HBO are going to make sure they keep him on their network and Quillin is GBP/Showtime. Highly unlikely that gets made.
I'd back Golovkin to spark Barker, Murray and Geale on the same night and still have change from twelve rounds. Arum won't let Chavez Junior in the same time zone as Golovkin. That leaves Froch and Ward as fights HBO want and can get made. Maybe an HBO fight against a Macklin-level middle or a credible test at 168 to see how he is at the weight and then he fights one of those two guys. I'm guessing. :)
I'd definitely favour Golvokin to beat these guys, I just want to see him actually do it. If they don't want to fight him - Kirk mentioned the GBP/Showtime thing being a barricade to a Quillin fight - then fair enough, there isn't much he can do about that. I'd just like to see him try to prove he's the best at the division before moving up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoCredit to Macklin in facing him, I can't see the other Champions in any hurry to face him, can you,!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Martinez, Quillin, etc would be dispatched in short order, the talk goes he sparked Quillin in sparring
so I can't see that fight happening.
Barker and Murray well , Barker sparked in 1 round, Murray in about 3 rounds, I don't kid myself
Golovkin is well capable of this feat.!
Yeah that was good to see. And when Macklin doubled over he started to throw a shot to the head but backed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Classy operator.
Murray and Barker were in the Sky studio for the Golovkin fight. I'm guessing you saw their reactions after the fight. HBO may well come up with the money to get one of them over to fight Golovkin, Murray would be a good measuring stick as he just fought Martinez and he'll definitely turn up if the money's right but I've never seen two fighters react like they did after that fight. They didn't even pretend to be confident about fighting Golovkin if they got the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121I'd back him to beat them all too, but I'd like to see him go out and actually do it. I know it's a cliche, but sports aren't played on paper. It's no good saying he'd beat them all anyway so he may as well not bother. If he can't get them in the ring for whatever reason e.g the reasons you give for the Quillin fight being unlikely then fair enough, move up up. I'd just like to see him try and get these fighters in the ring and clear out 160, or at least knock off a couple more of the top middleweights first. He's looked bloody impressive so far but he has only beaten Macklin really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAt his age and after his injuries Martinez couldn't fairly be expected to last twelve rounds against Golovkin. He gets knocked down in pretty much every fight and at some point against Golovkin he won't get back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Dia I think he's a cracking fighter, very exciting to watch and he's not just a big punch, he's got great quality. It's just rather than supposing he's better than everybody at MW, I want to see him prove it. I want to see him go after Martinez, Quillin, Chavez (if he stays at 160), Barker/Geale, Murray etc. As good as he looks he still needs to beat the top fighters at his weight to establish himself as the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
HBO are going to make sure they keep him on their network and Quillin is GBP/Showtime. Highly unlikely that gets made.
I'd back Golovkin to spark Barker, Murray and Geale on the same night and still have change from twelve rounds. Arum won't let Chavez Junior in the same time zone as Golovkin. That leaves Froch and Ward as fights HBO want and can get made. Maybe an HBO fight against a Macklin-level middle or a credible test at 168 to see how he is at the weight and then he fights one of those two guys. I'm guessing. :)
BTW I heard Macklin broke a rib. Any truth in that?