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I think his reasons for coming back are probably the wrong ones ie:necessity and his health may suffer but I also think he has suffered enough. After-all the guy has lost everything and we can never be absolutely sure that he knew beforehand no matter how circumstantial it might be or where the logic points. In that sense its not like what Resto did. He had to know that the stuffing was pulled out and that his gloves were nothing but a wrap cover. So in my opinion his lifetime ban and jail time were righteous. The same premeditation cannot be as certain in Margarito's case and a court of law would most likely not convict him because of prior knowledge. Capetillo is a different story and is still working.
Juicers one could easily conclude are psychopaths. Claiming you thought it was a B12 shot after the fact ignites the litmus paper. No question over intent or premeditation and boxing is full of them including the very ones we cheer for. Morally that's shaky ground considering the amount of condemnation we hurl Margaritos way.
Back to boxing. He could be successful and he may still be able to make 154 comfortably and there are a lot of beatable guys at that weight. Shit he could easily get a belt if he plays his cards right.
Its all about what he has left and what drives him. If its because he's broke and destitute it could end badly but if its for redemption who knows?
If you were on a cruise ship and truly out to sea, would you get into a lifeboat with Armstrong or Margarito?
In my opinion, both of these guys have demonstrated on many occasions that they don't care for anyone but themselves and can't be trusted so I would not get in that lifeboat.
They dont have exclusive rights to narcissism. That is a common trait with world class athletes. Its all about them. Hell that's a common trait with the species.
In answer to the bold. No I wouldn't and if I had to I'd kick them both into the water and keep them off until the sharks arrived.
Because of self preservation of course.
Re: Antonio Margarito making a comeback!! Cotto trembling in fear with those T Rex a
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A lot of how they're perceived may have to do with their attitudes.
Mosley has been openly regretful of his PED use incident, and when he speaks he comes across as a decent, humble human being.
Margarito is without remorse, and comes across as a scumbag from a low-life background.
You're skating on thin ice if you bring character into it.
He's a decent guy that made a mistake and now admits he cheated. Lets give him a pass. That could apply to Lance Armstrong.
Why would an "innocent" man show remorse?
Lance Armstrong f*cked over innocent people with his arrogance and by trying to destroy the credibility of anyone who dared oppose him. How is this character in any way like Mosley's? Besides I'm not saying give him a pass. I'm saying he's 10 times the human being MargaCheato is.
I think the real thin ice is calling a convicted, suspended and disgraced man "innocent". History will beg to differ.... and he'll always be guilty. What's that word you like to add at the end? Oh yeah......... FACT.
You brought up the word FACT remember????? Now you also claim Margarito was CONVICTED,!! Suspended & disgraced?? Now I want to see your FACTS that show Margarito was ever CONVICTED of anything. You cannot you have nothing. Margarito was never CHARGED let alone CONVICTED of anything. Margarito was suspended on the word of a lying POS by the CSAC who are not a court only a kangaroo court
Ive known Antonio Margarito since 1999 & I know he never cheated or tried to cheat
Mosely on the other hand is a PROVEN CHEAT He was almost certainly juiced again against Margarito Tony Margarito is 10 times the man Mosely ever dreamed of being
HAHHAHahaHaHaHaHahaha!!!!!!!
"Boxing's Living Legend" (self proclaimed) Does it again!!!! Hahahhaha!
But just look right here Rocco This Boxing living legend has owned you yet AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon big mouth answer the question. " When was Margarito ever convicted or charged with anything"??? He never was He never did anything to be charged with Margarito was railroaded by a kangaroo court
It was PROVEN that Mosely was juiced against OscarAll Peds cheats should be banned from the sport FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You guys who continually try to malign & insult Antonio Margarito have obviously never met the guy I've known him since 1999 when many of you were still in diapers.
I have never known Tony to cheat in any way during this long time. To me he is what boxing is all about he is a FIGHTER!! will fight anyone anywhere. I'd willingly trust him
But I wouldn't trust Mosely or any other juicer as far as I could throw them
End of story
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You guys who continually try to malign & insult Antonio Margarito have obviously never met the guy I've known him since 1999 when many of you were still in diapers.
I have never known Tony to cheat in any way during this long time. To me he is what boxing is all about he is a FIGHTER!! will fight anyone anywhere. I'd willingly trust him
But I wouldn't trust Mosely or any other juicer as far as I could throw them
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You know him personally huh?
What's that saying? Birds of a feather..? Haha! Couple of losers.
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If you needed rescuing by a lifeboat but refused to get in because you're scared of Armstrong and Margarito you probably shouldn't have taken the trip. Best thing to do is see a quack about anxiety issues.
I'll think about that over my morning coffee as I try to figure out why Margarito was the sole survivor in boat 21. He was just lucky I guess.
'Cause he bludgeoned the women and children with his plaster casts and took their place in the lifeboat, instead.
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Are all cheats arseholes or just the one's we don't like?
I like Roy Jones but he's a cheat.
difference between them when one used bricks in his wraps, and the other one used a product that was bought at a GNC, and the substance androstenedione is or was only banned by the IBF, tests came out negative pre and post fight, there's a BIG DIFFERENCE
Bricks in wraps BULLSHIT!!
There was nothing illegal in Margarito's wraps EVER but a HARMLESS used gauze pad
I saw his hands wrapped for Cotto 1 they were clean 100% Margarito kicked that diva's ass LEGITIMATELY.
Jones jr knew EXACTLY what he was taking was ILLEGAL
Yes there is a difference Jones jr cheated Margarito NEVER did
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Are all cheats arseholes or just the one's we don't like?
I like Roy Jones but he's a cheat.
difference between them when one used bricks in his wraps, and the other one used a product that was bought at a GNC, and the substance androstenedione is or was only banned by the IBF, tests came out negative pre and post fight, there's a BIG DIFFERENCE
Not true. He tested positive for Ripped Fuel in the Richard Hall fight and his system was loaded with it. Hall, the one who wanted the tests accusing Roy of cheating had more in his system then Roy. They buried it under the rug because Roy was Floyd.
exactly what I just said, Ripped Fuel a product that was bought at GNC, and contains androstenedione , big difference
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Are all cheats arseholes or just the one's we don't like?
I like Roy Jones but he's a cheat.
difference between them when one used bricks in his wraps, and the other one used a product that was bought at a GNC, and the substance androstenedione is or was only banned by the IBF, tests came out negative pre and post fight, there's a BIG DIFFERENCE
Bricks in wraps BULLSHIT!!
There was nothing illegal in Margarito's wraps EVER but a HARMLESS used gauze pad
I saw his hands wrapped for Cotto 1 they were clean 100% Margarito kicked that diva's ass LEGITIMATELY.
Jones jr knew EXACTLY what he was taking was ILLEGAL
Yes there is a difference Jones jr cheated Margarito NEVER did
apart from the plaster of paris residue that they found on it, and where they deemed that Capetillo to be no better than Panama Lewis and gave him an indefinite suspension, and handed little Antonio a lengthy one also, yea but they did that for the hell of it, right, the only legitimate ass whooping to take place between the two, was the first half of the first fight where Tony's gloves couldn't catch shit, and then the rematch where he showed how pathetic he really is and got the ass whooping and boxing lesson of a life time, face the facts, Tony had 1 win after he "beat" Cotto and was exposed as a cheat against Mosley, and that was against a bum, then got schooled ever other fight since
Jones was never suspended, never deemed guilty, MARGACHEATO WAS, big difference
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Panama Lewis was arrested and jailed. Capetillo was suspended for a year from being in the corner, he still trained fighters. Big difference.
Cotto beating Margarito didn't prove Margarito cheated the first time. They were pretty similar fights. Cotto boxed and moved more the second time which led to Margarito's eyes being busted. If anything Margarito was starting to come on strong again when he was forced to stop.
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I can't say I'm surprised that cheating scumbag Margarito is STILL being defended by a special, select few, after he was caught cheating, suspended.... and left the sport with his head down in disgrace. It must burn deep down in the pit of the stomach, to have your hero dragged through the mud, without any chance in hell to ever come within shouting distance of the HOF.
Damn....
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Are all cheats arseholes or just the one's we don't like?
I like Roy Jones but he's a cheat.
difference between them when one used bricks in his wraps, and the other one used a product that was bought at a GNC, and the substance androstenedione is or was only banned by the IBF, tests came out negative pre and post fight, there's a BIG DIFFERENCE
Not true. He tested positive for Ripped Fuel in the Richard Hall fight and his system was loaded with it. Hall, the one who wanted the tests accusing Roy of cheating had more in his system then Roy. They buried it under the rug because Roy was Floyd.
exactly what I just said, Ripped Fuel a product that was bought at GNC, and contains androstenedione , big difference
And I said he was caught and it was a steroid whether he bought it at Gnc or the 7-11. I'm not debating whether Margarito cheated or not. He did and was a scum bag for doing so. I'm also saying that he has gotten his comeuppance and that the horse has been beaten to top soil. Nothing left of the Nag to hit.
Not only has he lost everything but his name will forever be remembered and joined at the hip to the likes of Luis Resto. A man that I myself have compared him to in the past. If you want to get philosophical about it then consider it revisiting the subject matter like we all do for practically everything in life at times. Logic suggests that he had to know his mitts felt different but that's not proof and its also quite possible that he zones himself out listening to the Tijuana brass band or something during the wrap stage. Whereas Resto had his gloves removed and then brought back and they had to feel like wearing hand condoms. So then it becomes a question of intent and by whom. There is reasonable doubt in one case and none in the other.
Now suppose we accept he knew. Well, then maybe he felt he was going up against a known juicer who could just as well be juicing for this very important fight and wanted to even the playing field knowing also that his opponent had a titanium chin.
Because he cheated in that fight does not necessarily mean that he cheated in the fights prior. Again, I am as guilty as anyone for nailing this guy to the cross, posting pictures and making conclusions. I mean reasoning suggests that if he was going to cheat against old man Mosley then he was going to cheat against a prime Cotto. I believe that myself but that's not proof. And again if he was did he know it or did his wrapping become like starting ones car. Routine?
This is not an exercise in defense of the guy but I'll say it again, the man has suffered enough. His wife, children, money and his legacy in the sport. Whats left to take? And when you add in the historic Mex/Pr rivalry into this mix, the freakin wheels fall off.
And again we all cheer for cheaters every week. Most of the guys at the top are cheaters and they are premeditating it. We know this and support them. That's both cherry picking on our part and hypocrisy. Why do fighters look so flat when they fight Floyd when prior to fighting him they look so unstoppable? Is it because Floyd is that good or is it his testing demands or both?
Look the bottom line for me is that he has paid dearly for his part in the drama and deserves the opportunity to both have a second chance and make a living in the only way he knows how.
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I think in many cases it's the fans on one side that completely galvanize those fans on the other side. This is one of those cases. Has Margarito suffered enough? Does he deserve a second chance? (Technically, he already got a second chance when he was allowed to fight again). It's all a matter of personal opinion. It's when blind followers defend his cheating with the most irrational statements... that's when the polarization occurs. TBH, I'm satisfied the way he went out. Damaged goods, with one good eye, his reputation in shreds. He wants to come back? He can do whatever he wants. He's risking a lot, but whatever. As you said... it's the only thing he knows how to do. That in itself is a sad statement. He might make a few bucks on his comeback... but he'll always be known as a cheater.
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There's no evidence Margarito ever knowingly cheated. There's no evidence Margarito ever fought a single fight with "bricks" in his gloves.
Why would anyone find that unreasonable? It's just a fact.
Maybe he did know and maybe he did fight with "bricks" in his gloves. But there's also the possibility he didn't and has been unfairly slandered.
