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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
David has beaten no one to right home about and Murray has fallen short of top guys he has fought but some how Sr can not beat those guys holy shit dude. I my underrated the comp some what but you just overrated them more then anything i have seen the mw division a waste land.
I believe Primo is saying Junior can not beat the guys GGG has fought not his dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
David has beaten no one to right home about and Murray has fallen short of top guys he has fought but some how Sr can not beat those guys holy shit dude. I my underrated the comp some what but you just overrated them more then anything i have seen the mw division a waste land.
Him most people just call him jr so i was thinking if he called him by name he meant his dad. Anyhow if he is talking about the current Eubank then i say only David might be better. The thing is Eubanks kinda wild card and if his chin is same as his dad and does not dent going be a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI believe Primo is saying Junior can not beat the guys GGG has fought not his dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
David has beaten no one to right home about and Murray has fallen short of top guys he has fought but some how Sr can not beat those guys holy shit dude. I my underrated the comp some what but you just overrated them more then anything i have seen the mw division a waste land.
Thank you Master, I meant Eubank Jr. Apologies for not making me that clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140Him most people just call him jr so i was thinking if he called him by name he meant his dad. Anyhow if he is talking about the current Eubank then i say only David might be better. The thing is Eubanks kinda wild card and if his chin is same as his dad and does not dent going be a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI believe Primo is saying Junior can not beat the guys GGG has fought not his dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
David has beaten no one to right home about and Murray has fallen short of top guys he has fought but some how Sr can not beat those guys holy shit dude. I my underrated the comp some what but you just overrated them more then anything i have seen the mw division a waste land.
I don't agree with only Lemieux beats him because Eubank Jr.has never fought any top guys . And when he did step up a level to fight Saunders , he spent half the fight not having a clue what to do and the other half swinging wildly, although I acknowledge that he is a supreme athlete.
I'm not particularly a Murray fan, but he was fighting his 3rd world title shot and at the time was seen as probably the next best MW out there.
Now the counter argument is "maybe he can do this" and "if he has his Dad's this , that or the other", well I'm sorry , but I'm basing my opinion on what we have actually seen rather than ifs, buts and maybes.
Kinda like passing your driving test in a Mini and going into a formula 1 race.
Well n what iv seen a completely green Eubank who had not faced British level journeymen in 8 rounders pushed the defending British, European and commonwealth champion to his hardest fight, including his WBO win over Lee. Eubank is the only man to have a judge make him the winner against Saunders. There is a big difference with how he lets his hands go now with reckless abandon to the fighter who tried pacing himself in his first 12 rounder against Saunders. Hes doing this against supposed big punchers all be it British level but the same British level fighters that Saunders had a hard time with.
Eubank went from the Saunders fight to facing Chudinov for the WBA interim whil Saunders faced someone with 27 losses!
Eubank is better and is still improving compared to the fighter we saw a couple of years ago.
Saunders is also better and more experienced now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
1. Nether have moved on as much as they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSaunders is also better and more experienced now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
2. Saunders winning a World title was a glorified "British & Irish dust up". No disrespect, but Lee was Hardly the greatest World Champion ever.
3. We're not talking about Eubank Jr. Beating Saunders, we're talking about him Beating Golovkin! LEVELS.
He has 2 fights since Eubank and still hasnt fought anyone as good as Eubank.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSaunders is also better and more experienced now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Same can be said for Eubank, hes had 5 fights but hasnt faced anyone as good as Saunders but Eubank has improved. He was the one who had the jump in class when they met.
Saunders hasnt improved as mch as Eubank has, how can he have with who hes fought? Eubank all he needed was to start throwing more punches sooner.
I actually believe both give Golovkin a difficult foght, the difference being you will never hear Eubank saying he will need a gun or Golovkn can beat him and Saunders on the same night. Eubank has belief, Saunders doesnt.
splitting hairs and missing the point as usual. They both haven't pushed on as they should and they both get beat. Frankly it doesn't matter if one goes the distance and one gets KO'd , getting beat is getting beat. Murray had a better pedigree at World level than either of them and he took GGG further than others, but that is because he is one tough fucker. Doesn't hide the fact the he got systematically beat up for the 10 or 11 rounds he was in there.
Saunders is a paper World Champion who has beaten nobody elite including Lee & Eubank, and for those who say Eubank has improved, it is easy to show improvement if you take on lesser quality opposition.
After fighting Saunders, he went in with Chudinov, which was a good move and good learning fight, and since then his level of opposition has gone backwards (no disrespect to Blackwell & Doran ) .
They have both turned down opportunities to fight Champions and better level fighters. and I keep repeating, This fight has not been made yet.
Out of curiosity, I wonder what we all think Eubank Jr's Purse should be for this fight and what GGG's should be , because I have heard some CRAZY rumours.
I'll take reality over belief (delusion).
Billy Joe would get slaughtered by Golovkin too. That's Jr's best and only world-class opponent, however, he hadn't proven to be world-class when he beat Jr.
I just don't get this Jr hype. Is it the badman face expressions? I'm pretty sure if he was called Joe Soap nobody would be touting him as a future champ. He'd just be a tough, tear-up merchant with potential.
Eubank will win easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanWhy does that not surprise me :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200I don't see anything special in GGG. I see Eubank Jr winning this fight. In fact Triple G could get seriously hurt in this fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
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Originally Posted by MasterSaunders is also better and more experienced now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Saunders is better and more experienced now but Jr is miles better and more experienced now
I reckon so anyway, Eubank had fought nobody before saunders
and saunders was a lot closer to what he is now
Well Golovkin has said that Jr must have lost his pen because they are stalling on signing the contract, they are threatening to pull the fight and arrange one in America in September
Yep and Eubank countered that they had not had the contract back yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
If they have threatened to organise another fight maybe they are nervous that a young tough brawler with a high work rate is calling them out and wants the fight?;)
Yeah alright, you keep believing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYep and Eubank countered that they had not had the contract back yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
If they have threatened to organise another fight maybe they are nervous that a young tough brawler with a high work rate is calling them out and wants the fight?;)
One small flaw in your theory, if team GGG were "nervous", why would he post on social media about Eubank losing his pen?
Surely he wouldn't want to antagonise such a scary fucker like Eubank Jr. If he was feeling a bit nervy? 😂
Here's another theory. How about GGG is pissed off about some loud mouthed father and son team using his name to keep them relevant and when it gets down to the nitty gritty, they shit themselves and realise they're out of their depth?