The coveted return of Wacko's Drunken Round by Round Taylor vs Pavlik!!!

Good one wacko!! I'll take Jermaine Taylor in the 9th round by TKO!!! I think that he is sharper than kelly pavlik. Although kelly pavlik has a sharp hook, Jermaine Taylor has good defense his speed should win this fight

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Garbage? the score cards had it the same way Pavlik was one dimentional and wide open he landed a good shot and yea i will take the bet ICE

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seriously man



pavlik blocked like 700% more then compubox showed

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Good one wacko!! I'll take Jermaine Taylor in the 9th round by TKO!!! I think that he is sharper than kelly pavlik. Although kelly pavlik has a sharp hook, Jermaine Taylor has good defense his speed should win this fight

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Rofl... I think you should re-read from page 12? again.

Fade... Fade away Jermain... Well... I'm 2 bills richer..... uh yeah... easy money... and I only had to sweat like 10 liters of body sweat watching the fight lol

Man, everything was perfect tonight from the fans perspective...highly entertaining undercard, all-time classic main event, and even Lennox Lewis managed to be mediocre for once. Great evening.

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Going off recent form Sturm would be crushed did you see him fight Castillejo? Abraham is the best challenger other than Taylor but I'd have Pavlik as the favourite in that fight too. No dubt for periods of the fight Taylor was winning, but he has little stamina and focus, he couldn't keep it up. I think he was a spent force after the second round, same thing happened against Ouma, he hurts them and has one big burst of energy then he isn't the same for the rest of the fight, he's kinda lazy.

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yeah I did see that fight, thats why I said Sturm hasn't looked too good lately.

And what Taylor lacks is patience, if you're going off the 2nd round thing. Taylor knows that, the thing is Taylor knows what his flaws are but I haven't seen much improvement, till tonight he looked the best he's looked in a while.

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Patience? He lacks stamina, he doesn't train hard enough, he doesn't do enough cardio, rounds in sparring, bagwork he doesn't have stamina it's not a mental thing.

I'm sure Taylor knows that he doesn't have any stamina ::** , so he's obviously not working hard enough in the gym. 5000 jabs? I'm not sure he even threw 50 jabs.

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The reason Taylor gasses is because he's impatient and he expends so much energy looking for a knockout instead of boxing. He only boxes usually when he's tired and he should do it from the beginning. Taylor should box all the time, instead of loading for a knockout. He seems so desperate to look impressive it doesnt happen. He impressed me most when he was boxing effectively instead of when he was trying to knock out Pavlik in the 2nd. It was after the 2nd round I knew I was gonna lose my bet tonight ;)

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You never see fighters like Calzaghe, Barrera, Pacquiao, Hatton, Mayweather gas because they put the rounds in neccessary to have stamina to rely on, it has nothing to do with impatience, a fighter sould be able to rely on his cardio so they don't gas, under any circumstance. It's not a problem you can fix in terms of gameplan.

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You never see fighters like Calzaghe, Barrera, Pacquiao, Hatton, Mayweather gas because they put the rounds in neccessary to have stamina to rely on, it has nothing to do with impatience, a fighter sould be able to rely on his cardio so they don't gas, under any circumstance. It's not a problem you can fix in terms of gameplan.

Exactly Bro CC to you.

calFAGhe is gay

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im still mistified by the scorecards.

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The scorecards should have been either 57-56 Pavlik or 57-56 Taylor. The fact they all had Taylor up by 3 or 4 points was definitely surprising.

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Why is that surprising, did you miss his last 5 fights? Pavlik was not going to win a decision in any way.

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I thought Taylor won both Hopkins fights 7-5. I scored the Winky fight 114-114. He also deserved the decision in the SPinks fight, even if it was boring.

And you say the "last 5 fights"..... are you saying Kassim Ouma deserved a victory?? Because if you are, you're nuts.

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Just that the scorecards were way off. I thought he beat Ouma but Winky should have won and B-Hop won the first fight imo and the second won was a draw.

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"Way off"??
Both Hopkins fights were very close, and the scorecards were all very close. The Winky fight was very close, and the scorecards were even. I don't see how the Ouma and Spinks cards were way off either.

I define "way off" as being wrong by more than just 1 or 2 points. If you can prove that the scorecards of the two Hopkins fights and the Winky fight were off by several points, then your argument might make sense.

The cards tonight were definitely off, no argument there. I had it 57-56 Pavlik.

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117-111 in the Spinks fight. 115-113 in the Wright fight is 2 points off and for the wrong guy. Also 115-113 for Hop would have been correct.

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As I said, a fight should be wrong (or perceived as wrong by you) by more than 2 points to be "way off." I fail to see how any of those cards was off by more than 2 points.

In the two Hopkins fights, 5 of the 6 judges scored it for Taylor, and they all were 115-113. In the Wright fight, it was 115-113, 113-115, 114-114.

I'm still not seeing your argument.

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The wrong guy winning a fight is what is way off to me. I understand what you are saying, but scoring every round correctly is very important to the outcome of a close fight. No, the Hopkins and Wright fights werent the worst scores but they were bad enugh to cost them each a fight. Its not just on one judge . Of three judges you would think in a close fight at least 2 of them would get the winner at least right. But like I said I understand what you are saying.

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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think there are plenty of people who would argue that the right guy won those fights. I'm hardly the only one who thinks that Jermain Taylor deserved 2 wins and 1 draw in his 3 fights with Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright.

They were all close fights with many close rounds, and because of that, I don't think any scorecard of 115-113 can be described as way off or wrong.
If the judges had Taylor beating Hopkins or Wright 117-111 or something like that, then the argument would make sense. But the scorecards were all 115-113, and that was OK, because those were all 115-113 type fights.

taylor should now have 5 losses

BTW the chad dawson fight wasnt bad either

What a double header Berto looked real sharp and Pavlik fought a great fight. I was off by one round I had a 8th round ko...and stoppage no less. Taylor shouldnt be ashamed he was fighting brilliant until Pavliks power wore him down. I really thought Pavlik was done for in the second...whew way to hang in there, and maybe if Smoger wasnt ref that might have been stopped. Thank God it wasnt.

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taylor should now have 5 losses

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So you think Cory Spinks beat him?

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taylor should now have 5 losses

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So you think Cory Spinks beat him?

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10000000000000000000000% think spinks FUCKED him up

is anyone gonna be watching fucking pronsawon nietes with me?

All I can say is wow.

Pavlik is what we need as a true middeweight champion. He pulled a Calzaghe & got up off the matt to win it.

I wash thrilled...although I thought that Taylor had him in the first few rounds. Taylor was truely devastated @ the loss & as usual Pavlik was repsectul & humble. A greater man could not have won.

Taylor proved tonight that he's as much a champion as Pavlik...Pavlik just had more drive, stamina, & power. I love it.

Pav finally hit what he deserved...props to him & his corner...his trainer done good. Much love & respect. That team makes boxing as worthy as everyone on this forum. I mean that to me bwoyos...I've missed ya's!

Great fight & fantstic night for boxing.

The laptop shut down no me...so do I'll :coolclick: for you yungins on Sunday after I get us up & runnin again.

It has been my pleasure to serve ya's once again & this one was a beaut! Cheers bitches...

Oh yeah...& kooooooooooooooooh-nee-chee-wha! Much love.

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The biggest disappointment is that since Steward is working Taylor's corner, he can't work ringside for HBO.
He could've spent all night talking about Taylor and Pavlik's solid amateur backgrounds!!!

Taylor by decision.

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:coolclick: Don't it feel good to finally be wrong?

...and in such devastating fashion! ;D

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I had Jermaine fully in control until Pavlik caught him with that one big shot. Its a shame Pavlik looked like he was out of his depth and was running out of ideas doubt he will be champ for long.

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That was dumb as dumb could be ::** Yea he had a game plan of simple 1-2's and he never deviated from that. No one at 160 could touch that kid, he can box and jab as well as busting you up

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You tell em JT :coolclick: for having faith in Pavlik like me.

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These jokers will disappear, you'd have to be stupid to think Pavlik is a flash in the pan, he's not perfect but at 160lbs I don't think he can be touched. Scary power, the Hearns likenesses are warranted in my opinion.

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I always said Pavlik was good i had seen his fight with Bronco and few of his other fights i knew he would beat Taylor and your right no one will beat him at Middleweight he will crush em all like ants.

I want to see him fight winner of Calzaghe vs Kessler.

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I don't because Pavlik would lose.

Pavlik can fight on the outside with the best of them at a distance. But Kessler or Calzaghe are bigger and better distance fighters then him and he wouldn't outbox either of them, so his only bail would be his power, but I don't think he could stop Kessler or Calzaghe.

I'd like a rematch with Taylor.

Or I want to see him fight the Middleweight everyone has seemed to forget, Felix Sturm!!!

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I would give Pavlik more of a chance than your giving him vs Calzaghe or Kessler.

Sturm ?? Pavlik will crush him inside of 6 rounds.

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You're serious? Sturm is a difficult style match up for Pavlik. How would Pavlik crush him inside of 6 rounds.

Next 3 fights for Pavlik I'd like before Calzaghe or Kessler are these

Taylor
Sturm
Abraham


If he beats all three then he should fight Kessler(calzaghe will be retired)

And no, I wouldn't give him that much of a chance against Calzaghe or Kessler. If he ever has to deal with someone bigger and stronger then him he'll have trouble.

Pavlik said that Taylor hurt him because he's a natural Middleweight who hit like a mule right?

How would he fare against two super middleweights with a better distance game and higher workrate?

Thats why I wouldn't want him to fight Calzaghe or Kessler

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Sturm's to accomplished to get caught in Pavlik's game.
Abraham would be the toughest test for Pavlik outside of Taylor in a rematch.

Pavlik's disposed of the dangerman in Miranda, he's blown Taylor the fwock out, now he needs a break or an easy shot...he deserves it.

Maj is dead on point & deserves two clicks for that one. Here's the obligatory one! :coolclick:

That took awhile.

Everyone has been clicked via the PC...christ what did I ever do without my laptop?!?!?!!

I'm 'bout to settle in for my second fewing.

Much love ladies...have a great night...I know I did.

Twas a beaut of a mach! Cheers people.

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I hope JT keeps showing Pavlik no respect, he'll wind up waking up at the hospital at that rate.

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That's what I'd like to have thought...

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Damn typical of me speaking too soon

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Hush yo' mouf!!!

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Damned your hide!!!

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Brutal.

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Agreed...on both ends. Hammered each other out! There is NO PRETENSE FOR DEFENSE!!!!

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I would NOT count out Pavlik, Taylor is going to gas himself, if Kelly can hang he'll get him in the later rounds

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Read the first page babe...just read it. Heh heh heh.

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OHHHHHH HEEEEELLLLLL YEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

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Somebody's seein' a bigger picture here. Tolja to read that front page!!!! Whoooooooooooooooo hooo!!!;D

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i LOVE U ALL SO MUCH

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Heh heh heh...I feel you babe...100%!

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AHHH I'm so giddy... Good Riddance JT

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Someone's gotta crystal ball up their bunny-hole like ole' Wacko do. Heh heh heh.

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Pavlik just gave Taylor a college level course on heart... but I'm sure he wasn't paying attention.

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Priceless Cosell...fwockin priceless.

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Taylor ain't scared

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Nah babe..he's the 4-B's! Beaten, beltless, bumfuzzled, & battered. Shoulda worn a jimmie hat VD!

Win, lose, or draw we all got what we wanted. The best of Taylor & the best of Pavlik...& that my friends was incredible. No matter who you were rootin for...that was one hell of a fight. Pavlik has arrived & he brought Taylor back...look for the rematch to be rougher than this...if that's at all possible.

In closing...I want to say that wev'e got some of the greatest posters here & one of the best community's net wide.

Applaude yourselves...ya done good. Nighty nigty...I'm once again gonna rewind this match & marvel at the swing.

Cheers bitches.

Hmmm,if a 38 year Castellijo can STOP Sturm,I think Pavlik could do the same. Sure,Sturm would start off better,but Kelly's power and activity will get to you at some point.

Kelly would annihilate Abraham.. Arthurs game is to stand there and block,counter,back up. His arms would hurt taking those power shots from Kelly and Kelly's bodyshots would wear him down. He would stun Kelly with his quick counters and excellent power but again,I don't envisage anyone at 160 standing in front of Kelly,trading and getting the better of him.

I think Kelly should face the winner of JC Kessler after an easy match. It would be a monstrous fight,the best of 160 v best of 168(unquestionably both would be the best). I'd take JC over Pavlik,the Kessler fight would be closer but Kess jab and sense of distance and timing could make it hard for Pavlik to land.

I give total credit to Kelly and I love watching him fight,but I'm not going to say he's invincible,he's not. He would clean up at 160 though,not sure at 168.

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Hmmm,if a 38 year Castellijo can STOP Sturm,I think Pavlik could do the same. Sure,Sturm would start off better,but Kelly's power and activity will get to you at some point.

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Sturm was dealing with his mother's death & beat Castej in teh rematch handly. Sturm could jog as he did against Masoe after tasting the power of Pavlik & maybe MAYBE rule with the jab.

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Kelly would annihilate Abraham.. Arthurs game is to stand there and block,counter,back up. His arms would hurt taking those power shots from Kelly and Kelly's bodyshots would wear him down. He would stun Kelly with his quick counters and excellent power but again,I don't envisage anyone at 160 standing in front of Kelly,trading and getting the better of him.

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No way. Abraham has a better defense & chin. Toughest fight out there for Kelly, IWHO. BY the way :coolclick:

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I think Kelly should face the winner of JC Kessler after an easy match. It would be a monstrous fight,the best of 160 v best of 168(unquestionably both would be the best). I'd take JC over Pavlik,the Kessler fight would be closer but Kess jab and sense of distance and timing could make it hard for Pavlik to land.

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Nope. Conquer Taylor in a rematch & then work on 160lbs first.

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I give total credit to Kelly and I love watching him fight,but I'm not going to say he's invincible,he's not. He would clean up at 160 though,not sure at 168.

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He could be the next Miranda...but back track & you'll see just the opposite. The kid's got pedigree.

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Sorry Gamo, Wacko can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours.

The rematch was close with Castellijo and I still wasnt' impressed by Sturm. I totally forgot about his mothers death :( :'( Still though,he has not looked anywhere near as good since imo and I think it'll take more than a jab to keep Pavlik away.

Totally disagree with the Abraham issue. Arthur was busted up by Miranda,Kelly throws more and possibly harder than Miranda. Arthur is very stationary and Kelly would eat him up.Totally. Either Pavlik's power or Pavliks' activity levels would beat him. Arthur also lets his opoonent control the match too much,he even did so v Ghevor. If he lets Kelly control the fight,he's getting koed.And I think Miranda was robbed.

Nope. Conquer Taylor in a rematch & then work on 160lbs first.

I think you've forgotten my man. There was a rematch lause for Pavlik Taylor BUT it was at 168. So if Kelly moved up,there would be no reason to move down.He could fight JT/the winner of the Kess fight BUT he needs one easy fight first. Kelly has had too many tough fights as of late.

And I TOTALLY agree,Kelly has proven himself to EVERYONE. A great fighter,T-R-E-M-E-N-D-O-U-S- heart and power and a good chin too. Great fighter and P4P top 10 annnnnd CONTENDER FOR fighter of the year and FOTY imo. Awesome stuff.

It's great to be discussing with you again my man,CC. :lickish: :laugh:

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The rematch was close with Castellijo and I still wasnt' impressed by Sturm. I totally forgot about his mothers death :( :'( Still though,he has not looked anywhere near as good since imo and I think it'll take more than a jab to keep Pavlik away.

Totally disagree with the Abraham issue. Arthur was busted up by Miranda,Kelly throws more and possibly harder than Miranda. Arthur is very stationary and Kelly would eat him up.Totally. Either Pavlik's power or Pavliks' activity levels would beat him. Arthur also lets his opoonent control the match too much,he even did so v Ghevor. If he lets Kelly control the fight,he's getting koed.And I think Miranda was robbed.

Nope. Conquer Taylor in a rematch & then work on 160lbs first.

I think you've forgotten my man. There was a rematch lause for Pavlik Taylor BUT it was at 168. So if Kelly moved up,there would be no reason to move down.He could fight JT/the winner of the Kess fight BUT he needs one easy fight first. Kelly has had too many tough fights as of late.

And I TOTALLY agree,Kelly has proven himself to EVERYONE. A great fighter,T-R-E-M-E-N-D-O-U-S- heart and power and a good chin too. Great fighter and P4P top 10 annnnnd CONTENDER FOR fighter of the year and FOTY imo. Awesome stuff.

It's great to be discussing with you again my man,CC. :lickish: :laugh:

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I agree with everything you said Gamo :coolclick:

While I'm upset that taylor lost, pavlik IS from ohio and the state has been due. :(

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TAYLOR RAN TO THE BACK WITHOUT BEING INTERVIEWED LIKE A LITTLE FAG

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Or maybe he was just giving Pavlik the respect of having the ring? Like Joe Louis did when he felt he lost to Walcott the first time.

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Or maybe he was just giving Pavlik the respect of having the ring? Like Joe Louis did when he felt he lost to Walcott the first time.

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I think he was just really upset with himself. He handled it well, though - I think Taylor might be a more dangerous opponent as a result of this loss. I respect the hell out of him for being man enough to fight real fighters, a category that he himself fits in. That was a hell of a fight on both fighters' parts.

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I think you've forgotten my man. There was a rematch lause for Pavlik Taylor BUT it was at 168. So if Kelly moved up,there would be no reason to move down.

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Don't mean to nitpick, but the rematch clause is 166, not 168.

I just finished watching the fight. Fight of the year for sure. I was impressed by both fighters ability to take a punch, and holy shit is JT fast. I was a bit surprised at the score cards, but this was a hard fight to score I think. Anyways, great win for Pavlik, but I think JT will be back as long as this fight didn't ruin his chin.
Steve Smoger is the best ref in the buisness.
Julie Lederman is the worst judge I've seen in a long time.

What a fight...

1st I gotta say congrats to Pavlik for the title.



I just wanted to mention something I'm not sure if it's been brought up or not but was I the only one wishing that Pavlik would get sparked out in that 2nd round for acting like a fucken fool? I mean Pavlik showed his inexperience there when he started sticking out his toungue and trying to mock Taylor, he got away with it the 1st time but then the 2nd time as he had began to make his taunt at Taylor...... BAM!! lights out he got cracked and hurt and dropped. For the fight I was rooting for Pavlik I was hoping he'd spark out Taylor but in that 2nd round when he started fucking around it got me pissed off I mean what the fuck are you doing? Your in the single most important fight of your whole career and your up there acting like an idiot fucking around. This level of fighters at this stages are no longer the Zertuches, Zunigas or Mc Karts this is World Class Championship level. You've come along all this way to start sticking your fucking toungue out?

I was telling my friends I said if Pavlik looses this fight by decision it will all ride on that one round, he would have no one to blame but himself for doing something so stupid that almost cost him the fight. I bet you his whole career flashed before his eyes when he went down.

Other then that I think Pavlik showed great posie, he overcame the mistake/s he made in that 2nd round and fought his way through it.


In regards to all these Pavlik vs. __________________ <---- Fill in the name all I can say is WOW! whoever it is better be ready.

I think Pavlik sparks out both Sturm & AAbraham with ease. I'm big on AA but as I've mentioned it time and time again. I just see his skill level the same I don't see anything there as far as improvements/adjustments it's always the same thing over and over punch, wait, and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait some more, punch and wait and wait.....
With Sturm I think Sturm would start off well like Taylor did win a few rounds in the begining but eventually I think Pavlik sparks his ass out to. As honest as I can be with you guys I pretty much Am convinced that he can spark out anyone in the Middleweight div. (Anyone whos willing to fight not someone whos coming in to ballroom dance)

Whoever he fights DEAR GOD! PLEASE! do not let temptation get the best of Team Pavlik keep them away from BORING ASS! hug and punch Hopkins.
Also keep them away from Winky & Spinks. Lead them towards people who wan't to really fight.

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What a fight...

1st I gotta say congrats to Pavlik for the title.



I just wanted to mention something I'm not sure if it's been brought up or not but was I the only one wishing that Pavlik would get sparked out in that 2nd round for acting like a fucken fool? I mean Pavlik showed his inexperience there when he started sticking out his toungue and trying to mock Taylor, he got away with it the 1st time but then the 2nd time as he had began to make his taunt at Taylor...... BAM!! lights out he got cracked and hurt and dropped. For the fight I was rooting for Pavlik I was hoping he'd spark out Taylor but in that 2nd round when he started F****** around it got me pissed off I mean what the F*** are you doing? Your in the single most important fight of your whole career and your up there acting like an idiot F****** around. This level of fighters at this stages are no longer the Zertuches, Zunigas or Mc Karts this is World Class Championship level. You've come along all this way to start sticking your F****** toungue out?

I was telling my friends I said if Pavlik looses this fight by decision it will all ride on that one round, he would have no one to blame but himself for doing something so stupid that almost cost him the fight. I bet you his whole career flashed before his eyes when he went down.

Other then that I think Pavlik showed great posie, he overcame the mistake/s he made in that 2nd round and fought his way through it.


In regards to all these Pavlik vs. __________________ <---- Fill in the name all I can say is WOW! whoever it is better be ready.

I think Pavlik sparks out both Sturm & AAbraham with ease. I'm big on AA but as I've mentioned it time and time again. I just see his skill level the same I don't see anything there as far as improvements/adjustments it's always the same thing over and over punch, wait, and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait some more, punch and wait and wait.....
With Sturm I think Sturm would start off well like Taylor did win a few rounds in the begining but eventually I think Pavlik sparks his a** out to. As honest as I can be with you guys I pretty much Am convinced that he can spark out anyone in the Middleweight div. (Anyone whos willing to fight not someone whos coming in to ballroom dance)

Whoever he fights DEAR GOD! PLEASE! do not let temptation get the best of Team Pavlik keep them away from BORING a**! hug and punch Hopkins.
Also keep them away from Winky & Spinks. Lead them towards people who wan't to really fight.

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just wanted to mention something I'm not sure if it's been brought up or not but was I the only one wishing that Pavlik would get sparked out in that 2nd round for acting like a fucken fool? I mean Pavlik showed his inexperience there when he started sticking out his toungue and trying to mock Taylor, he got away with it the 1st time but then the 2nd time as he had began to make his taunt at Taylor...... BAM!! lights out he got cracked and hurt and dropped. For the fight I was rooting for Pavlik I was hoping he'd spark out Taylor but in that 2nd round when he started F****** around it got me pissed off I mean what the F*** are you doing? Your in the single most important fight of your whole career and your up there acting like an idiot F****** around. This level of fighters at this stages are no longer the Zertuches, Zunigas or Mc Karts this is World Class Championship level. You've come along all this way to start sticking your F****** toungue out?

Yes agreed i am Pavlik fan and was annoyed when he taunted Taylor and he left himself wide open but im glad that happened so he has learnt his lesson now and he also had to use survival instincts for the first time in his career so it was a good learning experience and he passed with flying colours.


I was telling my friends I said if Pavlik looses this fight by decision it will all ride on that one round, he would have no one to blame but himself for doing something so stupid that almost cost him the fight. I bet you his whole career flashed before his eyes when he went down.

Other then that I think Pavlik showed great posie, he overcame the mistake/s he made in that 2nd round and fought his way through it.

I knew this fight would never go the distance i picked Pavlik by 10th round TKO but i knew it would never go distance so i wasn't really worried about Pavlik getting cheated in a decision.

I agree he was very patient had a good defence blocked alot of Taylor's punches.


In regards to all these Pavlik vs. __________________ <---- Fill in the name all I can say is WOW! whoever it is better be ready.

I think Pavlik sparks out both Sturm & AAbraham with ease. I'm big on AA but as I've mentioned it time and time again. I just see his skill level the same I don't see anything there as far as improvements/adjustments it's always the same thing over and over punch, wait, and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait some more, punch and wait and wait.....
With Sturm I think Sturm would start off well like Taylor did win a few rounds in the begining but eventually I think Pavlik sparks his a** out to. As honest as I can be with you guys I pretty much Am convinced that he can spark out anyone in the Middleweight div. (Anyone whos willing to fight not someone whos coming in to ballroom dance)

Whoever he fights DEAR GOD! PLEASE! do not let temptation get the best of Team Pavlik keep them away from BORING a**! hug and punch Hopkins.
Also keep them away from Winky & Spinks. Lead them towards people who wan't to really fight.

I wouldn't mind seeing Pavlik take on winner of Calzaghe vs Kessler but if not then taking out Abraham would be the next step and as for Sturm like i said earlier in the thread he wouldn't last 6 rounds with Pavlik.

Spinks, Hopkins, Winky, he should definetly avoid i agree there only make him look bad i would avoid them at all costs if i was Pavlik.

Also Taylor impressed me he was so fired up boxed great and done alot better than i expected all i gotta say is great fight props to both fighters for an awesome fight and now we finally have Middleweight champion who is exciting.

That was crazy. In the 1st round he stuck out his tongue and made some faces and I thought, man, watch it with this guy. He did that shit at the weigh in but I was surprised he did it in the fight and showed overconfidence. I think that he believed since he took some big shots from Miranda that he could walk through Taylor's, especially after the last Taylor fights; and forgot Taylor could hit hard. He won't do that again and almost lost his biggest fight out of silliness. My girlfriend was screaming and my buddies were laughing cause' they wanted Taylor to win. I was almost sick to my stomach, but he showed he's a survivor and whooped that ass. I was just thinking: What the hell are the guys on Saddo going to be saying if Pavlik gets smoked in the 2nd round, that's I think the 1st thought I had when he went down. Lol

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Really great fight. That second round nearly had me on the floor with a cardiac arrest...but Pavlik was brave, held on and was more than competitive thereafter. Wonderful right hand to take away Taylors will!!

This week Pavlik....next week Barrera.....bring it biatches!!! ;D

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Thats the spirit Miles im undefeated so far in bets so you got nothing to worry about ;)

BARRERA BY UD.

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famous last words ;D

CC Wack. Damn I was just grinning for about an hour straight after that.

I thought Pavlik was great, obviously he's got big time P4P power but I was really surprised by his jab. I couldn't believe how easy it was for him to land the jab. Taylor's defense for a "boxer" is just really surprisingly bad. I think he actually showed a decent chin cause he took some good shots in most every round.

I have to say I'm shocked at how many people on here thought Taylor was controlling the fight. He was getting outjabbed, outworked, sure he landed his flashy combos at times and I guess that's all that judges look for but still. BTW, what the fuck is Dan Rafael on about? Taylor was "dominant" ;D This is the same guy who said that Chris John convincingly beat JMM before he ever even saw the fight. But that's not the point. Great performance by Pavlik, I'm on the bandwagon for sure.

Also WTF was Merchant on about with his "the difference in this fight was one fighter got up and the other didn't" ??? I like Larry overall but WTF, did he not notice that Taylor didn't get a count? I don't like Taylor and Pavlik does deserve respect for getting up in the 2nd and making it out but it just seemed like kind of unneccessarily shitting on Taylor. Odd considering HBO's man love for JT, although I guess that's mainly just Lampley.

Larry hits a nerve with me occasionally also, and that statement irke me bigtime.

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Larry hits a nerve with me occasionally also, and that statement irke me bigtime.

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Yeah, I didn't get the point of it, even if it was a valid statement, which it wasn't, it still would be kind of kicking a guy when's he down.

If he was going to say something to that effect, he should have said: 1 guy got up and the other guy COULDN'T. JT would have definately gotten up if he could have. Merchant is an old fool who spends most of his time staring at his feet trying to gain inspiration from his toes or something. He is as irritating as Kreepy Kellerman, and i can't wait till he keels over. He actually shouldn't have said anything, it would have probably made more sense :D

WTF!!! You guys are being way too harsh on Larry. I'm actually a big fan1 And Kellerman to Merchant is an insult of the highest proportions!!! >:mad ;D

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CC Wack. Damn I was just grinning for about an hour straight after that.

I thought Pavlik was great, obviously he's got big time P4P power but I was really surprised by his jab. I couldn't believe how easy it was for him to land the jab. Taylor's defense for a "boxer" is just really surprisingly bad. I think he actually showed a decent chin cause he took some good shots in most every round.

I have to say I'm shocked at how many people on here thought Taylor was controlling the fight. He was getting outjabbed, outworked, sure he landed his flashy combos at times and I guess that's all that judges look for but still. BTW, what the fuck is Dan Rafael on about? Taylor was "dominant" ;D This is the same guy who said that Chris John convincingly beat JMM before he ever even saw the fight. But that's not the point. Great performance by Pavlik, I'm on the bandwagon for sure.

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CC,totally agree on your points about the fight AND about Rafael. I've always noticed he says little thing like that. I find him annoying.

CC. I actually like Larry overall and will miss the bizarre randomness of most of his comments, just thought he was talking out of his ass about that. Still wasn't enough to bring me down off of the Taylor just got KTFO natural high I was experiencing. ;D

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CC. I actually like Larry overall and will miss the bizarre randomness of most of his comments, just thought he was talking out of his ass about that. Still wasn't enough to bring me down off of the Taylor just got KTFO natural high I was experiencing. ;D

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Ditto brother,ditto! Thats 1 down from my list,just a few more to go!