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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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DGs_Diane
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ICB
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DGs_Diane
Well I was watching two other RBR coverages besides this one, and both Boxingscene, and Kevin Iole of Yahoo gave the fight to Marquez.
If you also looked at the final stats, Marquez had the higher percentage in all categories.
It was a great fight, but I personally think that Marquez won it by a close margin. Yes, Manny knocked down Juan, but Juan hurt Manny on several occassions as well. Juan also controlled the pace, for the majority of the fight.
The fight is over, and I'm not going to cry about the decision, because it was a close fight, but I do disagree with it.
What were the overall punch stats ?? do you know the exact stats ?? if you do can you post them here ??
COMPUBOX
Manny Pacquiao total punches: 157/619/25%
Juan Manuel Marquez total punches: 172/511/34%
Manny Pacquiao power punches: 114/305/37%
Juan Manuel Marquez power punches: 130/310/42%
Manny Pacquiao jabs: 43/314/14%
Juan Manuel Marquez jabs: 42/201/21%
That about says it all! Manny could not hit JMM consistently...although when he did it did count but it's not like JMM punches were weak.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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toogood4u
well i was watching it on HD ppv, so i saw everything clearly, i do not like that at all.
Why don't they just allow bandages and stitch it up while they're at it. That's ridiculous.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
the fight should of freakin been stopped, or the ref should of done sumthing, the freakin guys in red jackets are there for a reason right.
out of the whole fight no1 made a comment on that yellow thing they put in his cut which seemed weird.
is that even legal in boxing. first time i ever seen a cutman do that to a cut, its usually viseline or sumthing, but a piece of thread wth isthat
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
This is probably the best thing to happen for Manny. He got humbled without an L going on his record. Hopefully on the next Countdown to the third fight pacquiao won't be hanging out with the black eyed peas singers shooting pool and training in hollywood :)
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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Originally Posted by
DGs_Diane
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
DGs_Diane
Well I was watching two other RBR coverages besides this one, and both Boxingscene, and Kevin Iole of Yahoo gave the fight to Marquez.
If you also looked at the final stats, Marquez had the higher percentage in all categories.
It was a great fight, but I personally think that Marquez won it by a close margin. Yes, Manny knocked down Juan, but Juan hurt Manny on several occassions as well. Juan also controlled the pace, for the majority of the fight.
The fight is over, and I'm not going to cry about the decision, because it was a close fight, but I do disagree with it.
What were the overall punch stats ?? do you know the exact stats ?? if you do can you post them here ??
COMPUBOX
Manny Pacquiao total punches: 157/619/25%
Juan Manuel Marquez total punches: 172/511/34%
Manny Pacquiao power punches: 114/305/37%
Juan Manuel Marquez power punches: 130/310/42%
Manny Pacquiao jabs: 43/314/14%
Juan Manuel Marquez jabs: 42/201/21%
Im not a fan of counting punches but Damn...........They might tell a story huh?I am a fare fan watching religiously for the last 20 years and Marquez was landing the more effective punches!Pac looked off balance badly at times, But the record books will have him as victorious.Marquez is still in top form also,shite call when all is said and done Imo.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
M P J M
9 10
9 10
10 8
10 10*
10* 10
9 10
10 10
9 10 x 7 clean shots
10 9
10 9
9 10
10 10
115 116
Great fight.
:I just couldnt split many rounds, too unfair to but * for the winning side if any.
Still turned out even.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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Andre
M P J M
9 10
9 10
10 8
10 10*
10* 10
9 10
10 10
9 10 x 7 clean shots
10 9
10 9
9 10
10 10
115 116
Great fight.
:I just couldnt split many rounds, too unfair to but * for the winning side if any.
Still turned out even.
Woow,4 even rounds Teddy ? JK bro ;D But hey,Ya had it right with Marquez getting it .Nip & tuck fight. very good action but Marquez took this .If /when both move to lightweight the match ups will be huge.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
I would not have any problem with a draw, if it were without the knockdown, however, with PacMan scoring the knockdown, the split decision is justifiably deserved.
I can't believe how many people here gives JMM the nod when clearly, all he had in this fight was counterpunching. Taking no chances at all. Pac needed to be in harm's way (all out attack) to make the fight. If roles were reversed, and JMM needs to knockdown a PAC the champion, (NOW) to be one again, given his skill set, will be an extremely difficult task.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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KananKrus
I would not have any problem with a draw, if it were without the knockdown, however, with PacMan scoring the knockdown, the split decision is justifiably deserved.
I can't believe how many people here gives JMM the nod when clearly, all he had in this fight was counterpunching. Taking no chances at all. Pac needed to be in harm's way (all out attack) to make the fight. If roles were reversed, and JMM needs to knockdown a PAC the champion, (NOW) to be one again, given his skill set, will be an extremely difficult task.
Pac impressed the judges and his fans. But yea, he kept initiating and attacking and sent JMM on the canvas. JMM did not do (could not) any of those. Don't forget JMM's 6 low blows too.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
I will watch the fight again, this time really objectively. I am hoping to see what most people here saw, a JMM unanimous win despite a knockdown of LEGIT VARIETY. Having picked sides and adding the tension of the fight, might have made me blind as to what my eyes are actually seeing. A case in which your heart and mind makes you see conversely, but I doubt it. PACQUIAO wins 'em all. No shame in that too.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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Pacstraightleft
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KananKrus
I would not have any problem with a draw, if it were without the knockdown, however, with PacMan scoring the knockdown, the split decision is justifiably deserved.
I can't believe how many people here gives JMM the nod when clearly, all he had in this fight was counterpunching. Taking no chances at all. Pac needed to be in harm's way (all out attack) to make the fight. If roles were reversed, and JMM needs to knockdown a PAC the champion, (NOW) to be one again, given his skill set, will be an extremely difficult task.
Pac impressed the judges and his fans. But yea, he kept initiating and attacking and sent JMM on the canvas. JMM did not do (could not) any of those. Don't forget JMM's 6 low blows too.
Marquez believe it or not was effecting pac just as much with stiff precise punches as Pac walked in.This was Boxing against a stagnit aggression.At first it was 3 LB's by Marquez....now it's 6..........Sun am it'll be 9
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
The Lampley guy might have something there, stating that gaining that much weight around fight night makes one really weaker. I believe too that in a short fight, 5 rounds or less it is advantageous, but disadvantageous going the full distance. Gaining that much weight 16 lbs! meant PacMan going almost to a point of dehydration just to make the 130 weight. Thereby this also signals that Pacquiao is no longer comfy fighting at 130, his fighting weight should at least be 4-5 lbs heavier.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
PacMan comes in, overextends gets tagged. Learns his lesson, tames his beastly agressioin. Fight gets boring. PacMan comes in again, overextends but connects, somebody kisses the floor. Somebody comes in, overextends, emboldened to go toe to toe...gets sent to dreamland! Makes for an exciting fight.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
...somebody comes in, overextends, emboldened to go toe to toe, the Pac send them to dreamland. Makes for an exciting fight. The toe to toe seldom happened in this fight, it made the fight a little less exciting, imo.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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titleist905t
I am a Filipino and wants Manny to win. But I do not agree with the decision. Marquez won that fight and he fought Manny very well. How can one judge score 1 round 115-112 for Manny. Props to JMM he should have won.
it could have gone either way. but you telling me that 115-112 for marquez by jerry roth after the KD is warranted? come on now.. ill take 113-112 but 2 points for marquez and hes the one who got KD.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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josef4334
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titleist905t
I am a Filipino and wants Manny to win. But I do not agree with the decision. Marquez won that fight and he fought Manny very well. How can one judge score 1 round 115-112 for Manny. Props to JMM he should have won.
it could have gone either way. but you telling me that 115-112 for marquez by jerry roth after the KD is warranted? come on now.. ill take 113-112 but 2 points for marquez and hes the one who got KD.
Missed that point bro. I agree with you.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
Rabid pac fans are annoying
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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boozeboxer
Rabid pac fans are annoying
Just like bias Marquez fans are and I'm so glad he got owned.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
Good work on the RBR ICB.In an odd way,I don't want to see a third fight and the aftermath :p Top notch Fight regardless.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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leftylee
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boozeboxer
Rabid pac fans are annoying
Just like bias Marquez fans are and I'm so glad he got owned.
How did Marquez get owned? From what I've read it was a close fight that could've gone either way. Saying he got owned not only discredits the great effort JMM made, but also discredits the great victory Pac earned.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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CFH
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leftylee
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boozeboxer
Rabid pac fans are annoying
Just like bias Marquez fans are and I'm so glad he got owned.
How did Marquez get owned? From what I've read it was a close fight that could've gone either way. Saying he got owned not only discredits the great effort JMM made, but also discredits the great victory Pac earned.
HAHAHAH The word "Owned" is causing such a fuss, come down ladies, I'm JK :rolleyes:.....;D
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Was a great fight, Pac got by with a 1 point victory. JMM deserves credit though he could have easily won that after getting dropped pretty good. Pacquiao made it a brawl sometimes and got the better of JMM. Another great fight thats goes into the FoTY category. Can 2008 be better than 2007? :o
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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leftylee
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CFH
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leftylee
Just like bias Marquez fans are and I'm so glad he got owned.
How did Marquez get owned? From what I've read it was a close fight that could've gone either way. Saying he got owned not only discredits the great effort JMM made, but also discredits the great victory Pac earned.
HAHAHAH The word "Owned" is causing such a fuss, come down ladies, I'm JK :rolleyes:.....;D
The term owned would apply to what PBF did to your boy Hatton, not what Pac did to JMM.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
I like Pac but for some reason i wanted JMM to win and at one point i thought JMM would KO Pac.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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tysonbruno
I like Pac but for some reason i wanted JMM to win and at one point i thought JMM would KO Pac.
Pac's defense had become better. JMM would have a difficult time knocking Pacquaio. Still, he can do it given right timing.:cool:
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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josef4334
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titleist905t
I am a Filipino and wants Manny to win. But I do not agree with the decision. Marquez won that fight and he fought Manny very well. How can one judge score 1 round 115-112 for Manny. Props to JMM he should have won.
it could have gone either way. but you telling me that 115-112 for marquez by jerry roth after the KD is warranted? come on now.. ill take 113-112 but 2 points for marquez and hes the one who got KD.
Yup but then one judge giving Pac the 12th is also a big joke. Congrats to Pac !!!! Although I do notquestion he won, I believe it could have been a loss or a tie. What ever happened to having to wrestle the belt away from a champ? He clearly did not do enough to take a mans belt away!
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
I didn't read the whole 18 pages but I had marquez winning that fight! I mean pac got really lucky with that knockdown cause marquez was off balance comming in, and throughout the fight got hit by harder shots and he didn't go down. Awesome awesome fight but I think they raised the wrong mans hand in victory, but such is boxing and I hope they have a 3rd fight. Marquez deserved the win and it would have been about time that he had a decision go his way. As for someone sayin jmm got owned, that's just retarded and not even worth arguing.
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Re: ICB's RBR of Pacquiao vs Marquez 2.
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Julius Rain
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Every decision you don't agree with is not a robbery.
EXACTLY, LEARN THIS ICE AND STFU AND QUIT CRYING. PAC WON JMM CAME UP SHORT. YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY PAC DIDN'T STAY ON HIS ASS WHEN HE KD JMM. PAC COULD OF FINISH HIM. THE EXTRA 16 IS MAKING PAC LAZY. YOUR BOY JUST CAN NOT BEAT MINE.
HAHAHAHHA
DON'T MAKE ME GO ON WITH MY BRAGGING RIGHTS, JUST ADMIT IT AND I WON'T MAKE YOU CRY NO MORE HAHAH ;D
This kind of post is why I gave you bad rep. No one is crying as you say in the bad rep you gave me and in this post. I was hoping Pac would win and was cheering for him through the fight. I picked Pac to win by TKO. I'm sorry you got bad rep from me but this forum is about intelligent debate about boxing not childish gloating about your guy who won which you have been doing. JMM put up a great fight and in mine and most people's opinions he did enough to win or at least get a draw. Nobody dominated the fight, it was close. Pac got the decision and good on him but your posts don't reflect the dignity both fighters showed in this fight.
