Joshua Clottey vs. Miguel Cotto welter unification fight, who will win?

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'm biased too. :-\

Clottey's a bit over dramatic and he flat out didn't want it enough.

116-111 is horrible.

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if Clottey didn't want it he would have quit the moment he hurt his leg

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Originally Posted by Greig

116-111, 115-112.


Total bullshit.

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I had it 115-112. Gave it to Cotto by 2 rounds and the knockdown. It was close, but Clottey stopped working after round 9 and gave the fight away. I had it level and then gave Cotto the last 3 rounds.

I had Cotto by one round the judges scores were bullshit. Clottey let this fight go IMO, he reminded me of Hopkins in the Calzaghe fight, looking to get your opponent deducted points is gay, we don't need that shit in boxing.

Dammit! I gotta watch the first three rounds!

Cotto doesn't look as invincible in the past. I'm not sure if Cotto could beat a Manny Pacquiao or a Floyd Mayweather. I do know that I want to see these two fight again. Rematch!

lol @ Clottey "I had to take my time." How many rounds he think they were fighting?

Come 11th and 12, that's it bud.

I'm already hearing a protest from the Clottey camp.... for that throw down. Anybody else hear "Rematch"

If they don't get a rematch and if Shane doesn't get Manny or Floyd, Shane should try to get a fight with Clottey.

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

Dammit! I gotta watch the first three rounds!

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Me too! my stream got cut and had to go to an alternate.

Do the math.

if Clottey had won the last 2 rounds and finished strong.

It would have been a draw. It would have been even on one, Clottey on the other, Cotto on the third.

So Regardless of what happened by the end of the 10th a round which Clottey won Cotto already had a draw in the bag and you can't tell me that Clottey robbed himself because in those 10 rounds were where Clottey was strong and punishing Cotto. So Clottey was getting robbed regardless.

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

If I were Clottey, I would've picked on that cut a lot more than he did.

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Exact...the right hands...the backing....Clottey let it go.Clottey says he needed to take his time.

Prior to the fight Clottey said he does not fear the judges because both have same fair promoter....:-X....now he just said he knew if it was close they would rob him??He's too much of a nice guy.Needed to 'take' the tko.

I wouldn't mind a rematch. Cotto can fight without being impaired for most of the fight and Clottey without his leap onto the canvas.

Not sure if it will happen next though. Clottey screwed up, he had Cotto how he wanted him from early on and he still couldn't get it done.

Cotto would do better without the nasty cut as he would be on his bike less.

i hope mayweather tears cotto apart.

doubt there will be a rematch but i would love to see one.

I wouldn't mind seeing Clottey fight Marg for his return fight either.

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Originally Posted by toogood4u

i hope mayweather tears cotto apart.

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Why?

I thought it was a good win for Cotto, just though. The fight was there for Clottey to win and he seemed more intent on attracting a foul than winning the fight to make up for the knockdown in round 1. Cotto showed toughness to keep fighting with that cut too, a good fight though in all.

Just saw a Cotto post fight interview. doesn't look like he favors a rematch and is looking to make some money. He said he wants to fight the best in the division and the best in boxing. :-\

I don't see what a rematch would do for Cotto. He always leaves his fight choices to his team anyway rather than pick his own.

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

I'm already hearing a protest from the Clottey camp.... for that throw down. Anybody else hear "Rematch"

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IMO Clottey didn't do enough for the W, and that was while Cotto had a huge gash on his brow, IMO he wouldn't of been nearly as effective if Cotto wouldn't have gotten butted

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

I'm already hearing a protest from the Clottey camp.... for that throw down. Anybody else hear "Rematch"

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IMO Clottey didn't do enough for the W, and that was while Cotto had a huge gash on his brow, IMO he wouldn't of been nearly as effective if Cotto wouldn't have gotten butted

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Agreed that's how I saw it too.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

I'm already hearing a protest from the Clottey camp.... for that throw down. Anybody else hear "Rematch"

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IMO Clottey didn't do enough for the W, and that was while Cotto had a huge gash on his brow, IMO he wouldn't of been nearly as effective if Cotto wouldn't have gotten butted

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And at the same time you can say that Clottey would have stopped Cotto if he was never thrown down ;)

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

I'm already hearing a protest from the Clottey camp.... for that throw down. Anybody else hear "Rematch"

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IMO Clottey didn't do enough for the W, and that was while Cotto had a huge gash on his brow, IMO he wouldn't of been nearly as effective if Cotto wouldn't have gotten butted

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And at the same time you can say that Clottey would have stopped Cotto if he was never thrown down ;)

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He wasn't thrown down, that was clear. He was putting it on big time. The ref saw straight through him too.

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Originally Posted by bikersk

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

IMO Clottey didn't do enough for the W, and that was while Cotto had a huge gash on his brow, IMO he wouldn't of been nearly as effective if Cotto wouldn't have gotten butted

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And at the same time you can say that Clottey would have stopped Cotto if he was never thrown down ;)

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He wasn't thrown down, that was clear. He was putting it on big time. The ref saw straight through him too.

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And he still hurt his left knee from being thrown down. The ref saw straight through him. And I supposed Clottey stopped throwing the jab and the left hook after that because his knee was fine? He wasn't putting it on you can't fake a stoppage of offense and nearly falling down whenever you tried to push forward on your left. If that was true then Clottey should win an Oscar

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Do the math.

if Clottey had won the last 2 rounds and finished strong.

It would have been a draw. It would have been even on one, Clottey on the other, Cotto on the third.

So Regardless of what happened by the end of the 10th a round which Clottey won Cotto already had a draw in the bag and you can't tell me that Clottey robbed himself because in those 10 rounds were where Clottey was strong and punishing Cotto. So Clottey was getting robbed regardless.

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...... just look at that observation. Kinda like my teen, just does enough to get by. I think it is one of the key ingredients to really great fighters is they have that no quit attitude and Clottey's attitude is one where he thought he did enough to win. Cotto on the other hand didn't quit and pulled it off!

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by bikersk

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Originally Posted by Majesty

And at the same time you can say that Clottey would have stopped Cotto if he was never thrown down ;)

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He wasn't thrown down, that was clear. He was putting it on big time. The ref saw straight through him too.

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And he still hurt his left knee from being thrown down. The ref saw straight through him. And I supposed Clottey stopped throwing the jab and the left hook after that because his knee was fine? He wasn't putting it on you can't fake a stoppage of offense and nearly falling down whenever you tried to push forward on your left. If that was true then Clottey should win an Oscar

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It wasn't the biggest factor in the fight so i'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. If it was hurt he did well to recover because Clottey did well in rounds 8,9 and 10 and seemed to have no trouble coming forward.

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Originally Posted by bikersk

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by bikersk

He wasn't thrown down, that was clear. He was putting it on big time. The ref saw straight through him too.

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And he still hurt his left knee from being thrown down. The ref saw straight through him. And I supposed Clottey stopped throwing the jab and the left hook after that because his knee was fine? He wasn't putting it on you can't fake a stoppage of offense and nearly falling down whenever you tried to push forward on your left. If that was true then Clottey should win an Oscar

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It wasn't the biggest factor in the fight so i'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. If it was hurt he did well to recover because Clottey did well in rounds 8,9 and 10 and seemed to have no trouble coming forward.

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yeah but he had stopped setting stuff up with his jab and his left hook and thats what made him effective early, he was setting Cotto up with the jab and left hook, after being thrown down if he tried to start it off he came off balance and he only ran in with combinations, he wasn't trying to set stuff up anymore and that was a huge factor. After that point Clottey was looking to corner on Cotto and throw combinations. But he had stopped setting things up with the jab and left hook which are his money punches. So hurting his left knee was a huge factor as you could make the argument after he was thrown down the jab and left hook set ups disappeared

So perhaps one big difference in the fight was that Cotto was better able to adapt and keep fighting where as Clottey was not able to adapt as well to the problems facing him. At this level there are always things to overcome in a fight and a true champ can adapt and overcome.

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Originally Posted by bikersk

So perhaps one big difference in the fight was that Cotto was better able to adapt and keep fighting where as Clottey was not able to adapt as well to the problems facing him. At this level there are always things to overcome in a fight and a true champ can adapt and overcome.

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ok lets say Cotto hurts his left leg and he can no longer use his jab or his left hook effectively, you think he'd adapt better to that? or to a cut?

Given the way both guys responded to their problems i think Cotto would have adapted to a leg injury fine. Clottey was looking for excuses. Cotto could have used the cut as an excuse but continued to fight.

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Originally Posted by bikersk

Given the way both guys responded to their problems i think Cotto would have adapted to a leg injury fine. Clottey was looking for excuses. Cotto could have used the cut as an excuse but continued to fight.

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Except he didn't, in the post-fight interview he said it didn't affect him, just that he twisted onto his knee when he fell & was sore for a few minutes

I was referring more to how the guys were behaving in the ring rather than what they said post fight.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Score cards a bit wacky, but no surprise. Right man won imo. Fight was Clottey's to win, but he wuss'd out.

Grats Cotto, you earned it.

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I agree. It was a close fight that could've gone either way. Clottey gave it away when he stopped fighting in the last two rounds. The scores were a little out of whack though. I had Cotto winning by one round by virtue of the KD.