Berto vs. Quintana Fight Talk

Yes... I was the one that predicted a Quintana KO win. See how quick I own up to my mistakes?

;D

I wish I could point out something positive for Quintana from the fight. But he showed me nothing. He's become nothing but a B-class fighter. As for Berto? He still gets his ass kicked by Cotto, Mosley, Margacheato, or any elite welterweight.

I watched this delayed on the DVR, and I have to say I was shocked at how many thought the Caballero/Yordan fight should have been stopped! To me Lampley and Merchant sounded like a couple of pussies who need to find another line of work if they can't stomach the sport. Stewart was the only one who was sensible, pointing out that Caballero wasn't really landing much that wasn't slapping, at least to the head.

I'm all about saving a young fighter for another day, but I never saw where Yordan ever looked hurt of even really too discouraged? You don't stop it just because one guy's being outclassed, when he's still trying to compete and still landing some meaningful punches - really the more meaningful of the two, just too few and far between.

I think it would have been more debilitating for them to have stopped it, because it would have left darker questions in his mind. By letting him finish, strongly I might add, the fight has a greater chance to be more of a learning experience than a crushing defeat for Yordan.

I had just watched Estrada/Lora before this fight, and Lora was taking much more severe punishment. Teddy Atlas who doesn't like to see fighters take unnecessary punishment, wasn't calling for the fight to be stopped and he definitely wouldn't have been for this fight either.

As for Berto, I think his strength has become his weakness. By that I mean, while fighting against lesser opposition he seems to have become intoxicated with his ability to use his strength to overpower and overwhelm his opponents. This has been to the detriment of the development of his other assets.

As he's stepped up in level he's found it increasingly hard to impose his will in that way. His fight with David Estrada comes to mind, and then of course his fight against Collazo. I think there's a good chance that he'll mature, and start to get a better feel for when to use his strength and when to use his speed, and other tools. I think it's actually already evident that he's being more conscious of that.

I also agree that he needs to work on his distance. He gets in, but then he falls all the way in and smothers himself or ties/gets tied up. He needs to learn to stop at the right distance or take a step back if he gets in too close. I think he could work on his jab too...

I'm still hopeful for great things, from Berto. He's not quite ready for the likes of Mosley, though.

Berto seems to have all the physical attributes, but I just doubt he's mentally strong enough to stick to a game plan.
Against one of the big 3, I think he'd get a lesson he may not bounce back from.

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Originally Posted by Myk_Myk

I watched this delayed on the DVR, and I have to say I was shocked at how many thought the Caballero/Yordan fight should have been stopped! To me Lampley and Merchant sounded like a couple of pussies who need to find another line of work if they can't stomach the sport. Stewart was the only one who was sensible, pointing out that Caballero wasn't really landing much that wasn't slapping, at least to the head.

I'm all about saving a young fighter for another day, but I never saw where Yordan ever looked hurt of even really too discouraged? You don't stop it just because one guy's being outclassed, when he's still trying to compete and still landing some meaningful punches - really the more meaningful of the two, just too few and far between.

I think it would have been more debilitating for them to have stopped it, because it would have left darker questions in his mind. By letting him finish, strongly I might add, the fight has a greater chance to be more of a learning experience than a crushing defeat for Yordan.

I had just watched Estrada/Lora before this fight, and Lora was taking much more severe punishment. Teddy Atlas who doesn't like to see fighters take unnecessary punishment, wasn't calling for the fight to be stopped and he definitely wouldn't have been for this fight either.

As for Berto, I think his strength has become his weakness. By that I mean, while fighting against lesser opposition he seems to have become intoxicated with his ability to use his strength to overpower and overwhelm his opponents. This has been to the detriment of the development of his other assets.

As he's stepped up in level he's found it increasingly hard to impose his will in that way. His fight with David Estrada comes to mind, and then of course his fight against Collazo. I think there's a good chance that he'll mature, and start to get a better feel for when to use his strength and when to use his speed, and other tools. I think it's actually already evident that he's being more conscious of that.

I also agree that he needs to work on his distance. He gets in, but then he falls all the way in and smothers himself or ties/gets tied up. He needs to learn to stop at the right distance or take a step back if he gets in too close. I think he could work on his jab too...

I'm still hopeful for great things, from Berto. He's not quite ready for the likes of Mosley, though.

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problem is he got a way too fast and easy run to the title before he had to learn anything or change those rookie mistakes he still makes. But Berto says he had an injured shoulder or something so it caused him to try to rush the KO and was rusty after 11 months out

Well I hope Shane does not turn up rusty against Floyd. Surely you can combat ring rust with quality sparring?