Cotto vs. Floyd Jr. & "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Mosley - Saturday night fight thread

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Now I know 100% for sure, that the Pacman would whupp Mayweather's ass.

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Great fight btw.

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Yeah, I could whoop his ass too ,but you;ll never find out for sure, cause I aint going to call out or face Floyd either.

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Now I know 100% for sure, that the Pacman would whupp Mayweather's ass.

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Great fight btw.

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It's ok to believe that. I can't say that with 100% confidence, because I can see Floyd frustrating Manny at times. But I will say that if Floyd fought Manny the way he just fought Cotto theres now way Floyd wins on points. He just doesn't throw enough punches to squeak out a win that way. Manny has a better chance of beating Floyd more than anyone Floyd has faced.

I think the people thinking Cotto won or it was close must have been watching on dodgy streams. Anybody want to speculate why Floyd spent so much time on the ropes? Becasue his legs have gone or just to show everybody how good he is?

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Psl thats like me saying i know Mayweather can beat Pac because he beat Marquez so easy and most people think Marquez beat Pac. i mean i know you love the guy but man what a double standard.

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Styles make fights. Just because Pac beat Hatton earlier than Floyd does not mean he will Pac would beat him. Pac stopped Cotto but Floyd didnt. If I was to make a bet I would put my money on Floyd. But what you see from that fight is that Floyd doesnt like pressure. Pac could pressure all the way through and throws much harder punches. Floyd will have to fight all the way and throw more back to slow him down.
As far as this fight goes it was pretty much as predicted. Floyd winning by about 6 rounds.

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Now I know 100% for sure, that the Pacman would whupp Mayweather's ass.

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Pacquiao won't be as competitive as Cotto.

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Agreed. Pac makes far too many mistakes.

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Exactly. Pac wouldnt ever of stood and delivered like that. He would get caught moving around erratically by a gun.

Cotto fought bravely.

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Originally Posted by CFH

Scores were too wide, but the right guy won.

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Yeah, the right guy won, but I thought the scores should have been much closer.
I will say that Floyd sealed the deal in the 12th round

Not a bad fight, Cotto did what he had to do, try to make a brawl out of, but Floyd was up to the task.

I would have loved to see Cotto win, but Mayweather showed he's still a hell of a fighter.

You guys are trying to compare a guy who at times fights erratic and without a superior defense (PAC) to Cotto who fights very measured and has a really good defense.

Also you must have forgot Floyd moved up and fought a full fledged Cotto not a freeze dried one 10+ pounds lighter like PAC starved him too

Strong performance from Floyd, really did show why he's the best tonight.

Martinez would mash Floyd based on this

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Originally Posted by Andre

I have a question were any of the under cards great fights?

I havent watched,until 15 miniutes ago, been out . I want to know if I be wasting my time or not, thanks.

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Quintana - Latimire was a good one, the other 2 weren't really worth watching.

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Originally Posted by chris6878

Martinez would mash Floyd based on this

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Originally Posted by chris6878

Martinez would mash Floyd based on this

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Martinez didn't look overly great vs Barker, Macklin, he had to rally vs Macklin as he was losing the fight.

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Now I know 100% for sure, that the Pacman would whupp Mayweather's ass.

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Pacquiao won't be as competitive as Cotto.

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Agreed. Pac makes far too many mistakes.

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Exactly. Pac wouldnt ever of stood and delivered like that. He would get caught moving around erratically by a gun.

Cotto fought bravely.

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That is such a lame analysis. I believe that Mayweather hadn't stepped up and fought Pacquiao earlier because Pacquiao used to be less predictable. Every fighter says nearly the same think that the angles is what troubled them. Pacquiao is a southpaw not the same as Cotto so you can't really apply because "Pacquiao is less technically sound he's a less effective than Cotto against a pure boxer like Mayweather". In fact, because Pacquiao's fighting technique not traditional it makes him more difficult to fight.

He rallied in round 7 and from then on he put on a spanking. Moreever if there was any justice in the world Macklin would have came in the ring as a champion himself. That aside, why is it frowned upon if a champ overcomes?

That aside I do think Mayweather Martinez would truly be intriguing like when Duran fought Hagler.

The thing is with Floyd, he's damn hard to get clean, hard shots on, Cotto had most of his success with his jab and short punches, some of his body work wasn't bad either.

G'night folks, thanks to you who participated in the fight thread.

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Now I know 100% for sure, that the Pacman would whupp Mayweather's ass.

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Pacquiao won't be as competitive as Cotto.

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Agreed. Pac makes far too many mistakes.

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Exactly. Pac wouldnt ever of stood and delivered like that. He would get caught moving around erratically by a gun.

Cotto fought bravely.

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That is such a lame analysis. I believe that Mayweather hadn't stepped up and fought Pacquiao earlier because Pacquiao used to be less predictable. Every fighter says nearly the same think that the angles is what troubled them. Pacquiao is a southpaw not the same as Cotto so you can't really apply because "Pacquiao is less technically sound he's a less effective than Cotto against a pure boxer like Mayweather". In fact, because Pacquiao's fighting technique not traditional it makes him more difficult to fight.

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Pacquiao leaves many more openings than Cotto and doesn't fight as measured a pace, also Floyd fought at Cotto's weight, I really don't see Pacquiao bullying Floyd to the ropes at 147 nor trying to push him around and be physical.

If you watched this fight and try to say it shows Pacquiao would beat Floyd, I look at the Marquez third fight and say that Floyd would massacre Pacquiao

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Now I know 100% for sure, that the Pacman would whupp Mayweather's ass.

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Pacquiao won't be as competitive as Cotto.

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Agreed. Pac makes far too many mistakes.

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Exactly. Pac wouldnt ever of stood and delivered like that. He would get caught moving around erratically by a gun.

Cotto fought bravely.

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That is such a lame analysis. I believe that Mayweather hadn't stepped up and fought Pacquiao earlier because Pacquiao used to be less predictable. Every fighter says nearly the same think that the angles is what troubled them. Pacquiao is a southpaw not the same as Cotto so you can't really apply because "Pacquiao is less technically sound he's a less effective than Cotto against a pure boxer like Mayweather". In fact, because Pacquiao's fighting technique not traditional it makes him more difficult to fight.

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Pacquiao leaves many more openings than Cotto and doesn't fight as measured a pace, also Floyd fought at Cotto's weight, I really don't see Pacquiao bullying Floyd to the ropes at 147 nor trying to push him around and be physical.

If you watched this fight and try to say it shows Pacquiao would beat Floyd, I look at the Marquez third fight and say that Floyd would massacre Pacquiao

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"To each his own"

I certainly don't think Pacquiao would smash Floyd either, but If Floyd used the same strategy against Pacquiao using the same applied skills set he did against Cotto, Pacquiao would certainly win on points applying the same Judging as Cotto just got.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

He rallied in round 7 and from then on he put on a spanking. Moreever if there was any justice in the world Macklin would have came in the ring as a champion himself. That aside, why is it frowned upon if a champ overcomes?

That aside I do think Mayweather Martinez would truly be intriguing like when Duran fought Hagler.

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Im not discrediting Martinez its just the other guy, said based on Mayweather's fight tonight Martinez would beat Mayweather. Im just saying Martinez hasn't looked overly good in his last 2 fights, i don't think many people expected Barker, Macklin, to trouble Martinez as much as they did.

Fair play to Martinez he comeback in both fights, but i don't see anything in Martinez apart from the size that gives Mayweather any problems what so ever. Barker at times was busting up Martinez with solid jab and right hands, i honestly think Mayweather would beat Martinez handily.

And for the record i had Macklin/Sturm a draw.

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Originally Posted by bcollins

Closest fight Floyd's been in since Castillo I, for sure - I thought he edged it out, but let's give a hand for Cotto. He justified a lot of people's belief that he has a style to give Floyd problems. Cotto has a very good combination of heart and skill, but Floyd is just too damn hard to hit meaningfully.

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Yes, you just have to laugh to keep from crying at score cards like Ledderman's and those judges.

I'd like to knock their fucking teeth out. Pieces of fucking shit...

Cotto fought the FIGHT OF HIS LIFE. I had it 7-5 for Mayweather, but due to close rounds 6-6 or 8-4 for Mayweather would also be conceivable.

9-3, and especially 10-2 are just a fucking fat cock slap in the face to the Herculean effort that Cotto put forth tonight.

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He rallied in round 7 and from then on he put on a spanking. Moreever if there was any justice in the world Macklin would have came in the ring as a champion himself. That aside, why is it frowned upon if a champ overcomes?

That aside I do think Mayweather Martinez would truly be intriguing like when Duran fought Hagler.

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Im not discrediting Martinez its just the other guy, said based on Mayweather's fight tonight Martinez would beat Mayweather. Im just saying Martinez hasn't looked overly good in his last 2 fights, i don't think many people expected Barker, Macklin, to trouble Martinez as much as they did.

Fair play to Martinez he comeback in both fights, but i don't see anything in Martinez apart from the size that gives Mayweather any problems what so ever. Barker at times was busting up Martinez with solid jab and right hands, i honestly think Mayweather would beat Martinez handily.

And for the record i had Macklin/Sturm a draw.

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I can see how that can be scored as a draw. As for Mayweather Martinez. I would give the edge to mayweather, however martinez did one thing that impressed the crap out of me, He outjabbed a fantastic jabber and consistantly landed hard right handed jabs. Mayweather as shown tonight as well as vs De La Hoya has a problem with jabs (to be fair all fighters have problems against good jabs) But that would give martinez an advantage in terms of keeping the fight at a distance.

Dude floyds awesome but come on archin hook from martinez??? Wtf you talkin about? His right is as straight and quick as they come, hence its been judged a headbutt before.

Great post is was replyin to got deleted

cheers for your scores so far , HOW did Lederman score thr fight for HBO and did lampley or Merchant leave a score also??

cheers

Wrong thread.

Martinez would be massive against Floyd. He would look like what he is, a different weight.

And for anyone who says Floyd has a problem with jabs needs to check the stats!

In Floyd's last 7 fights before Cotto, his opponents have thrown a total of 1686 jabs, landing with just 204.

Ortiz threw over 30 jabs and landed 0.

In the last 3 rounds of the Del Hoya fight, he landed only landed 4 of 77 jabs on Floyd.

- source: Eurosport

this is cot to who scraped a decision vs clotty effectively 7-5 if he was lucky losing 7-5 to may weather - flloys gone down in my estimation!

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Originally Posted by CFH

I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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That was after 6 rounds and I had it the same at that stage.

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I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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That was after 6 rounds and I had it the same at that stage.

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after six i had it 5-1

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I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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That was after 6 rounds and I had it the same at that stage.

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after six i had it 5-1

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You were like the commentators, only seeing Floyd's work, even when he missed with punches or they were blocked.

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Martinez would mash Floyd based on this

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Martinez would mash Floyd based on this

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Martinez didn't look overly great vs Barker, Macklin, he had to rally vs Macklin as he was losing the fight.

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I think Martinez would be throwing too many hard punches at odd angles that will hurt Floyd. Plus he has outrageous endurance. I think right now Floyd would be able to take that pressure. He was getting man handled by cotto IMO. I think the naturally bigger martinez would do the same to a greater extent.

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I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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That was after 6 rounds and I had it the same at that stage.

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after six i had it 5-1

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You were like the commentators, only seeing Floyd's work, even when he missed with punches or they were blocked.

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I had to mute the sound way before the main event started, HBO is just plain annoying, and Manny Steward has turned into a blithering idiot. It just seemed like every time Floyd threw a punch, whether it missed or hit Cotto on the gloves it was counted by their punch stats. It was like Cotto wasn't even there.

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I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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That was after 6 rounds and I had it the same at that stage.

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after six i had it 5-1

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You were like the commentators, only seeing Floyd's work, even when he missed with punches or they were blocked.

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yea i think thats the reason there commentators, they usually know what there talking about.

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I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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That was after 6 rounds and I had it the same at that stage.

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after six i had it 5-1

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You were like the commentators, only seeing Floyd's work, even when he missed with
punches or they were blocked.

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yea i think thats the reason there commentators, they usually know what there talking about.

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You forgot this guy > ;D < because you must be joking if your talking about House-Boxer-Only and it's fairness in fight calling.

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I have it 4-2 Cotto. Am I nuts?

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yes you are. i had it 9-3 for mayweather hes just on another level to any boxer out there.

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That was after 6 rounds and I had it the same at that stage.

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You had the same score as my brother then, who also ended up with a draw.

I had it 3-3 after six, BUT this is because I consciously scored a close round for Mayweather when I would have normally scored it for Cotto, taking into account that the judges would most likely see it for Mayweather in that round.

Nevermind that the judges saw nearly EVERY SINGLE ROUND for Mayweather, as did Letterman, Jim and Larry. ;D

I didn't exactly want Cotto to win but I found myself being disappointed by Cotto's efforts AFTER his best round of the fight (and more importantly, the round that he did almost everything I said he should ;D).

And where was the southpaw Cotto at??? his right hand connection rate was poor as fuck but you could see he wanted it to be a big part of his arsenal... Just turn your feet around ffs!

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I didn't exactly want Cotto to win but I found myself being disappointed by Cotto's efforts AFTER his best round of the fight (and more importantly, the round that he did almost everything I said he should ;D).

And where was the southpaw Cotto at??? his right hand connection rate was poor as fuck but you could see he wanted it to be a big part of his arsenal... Just turn your feet around ffs!

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He was doing well in the orthodox stance, he did not get hit that much with Floyd's right hand, going southpaw may have confused him more that Floyd. Cotto jab was working and left hooks, no need to change stance.

Well, the good news to me out of all of this is that my casual boxing friends enjoyed every fight on that card except for Forbes/Vargas. Which means they are more inclined to watch again.

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I didn't exactly want Cotto to win but I found myself being disappointed by Cotto's efforts AFTER his best round of the fight (and more importantly, the round that he did almost everything I said he should ;D).

And where was the southpaw Cotto at??? his right hand connection rate was poor as fuck but you could see he wanted it to be a big part of his arsenal... Just turn your feet around ffs!

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He was doing well in the orthodox stance, he did not get hit that much with Floyd's right hand, going southpaw may have confused him more that Floyd. Cotto jab was working and left hooks, no need to change stance.

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He was doing very well but it wasn't enough. He wasn't dynamic enough. I mean its easily said but so is "you have to use your jab, you have to force Floyd to come to you" but for a good period of time Cotto was doing the right things.

The right hand was missing a lot and the one thing you don't want to be doing against Floyd is wasting shots and getting frustrated. Luckily Cotto didn't get frustrated because he had an excellent jab that he could go back to but those extended periods where Cotto fell into the trap of wailing away at Mayweather on the ropes where no good because NO orthodox fighter can get the right kind of leverage against Floyd.

It wouldn't of confused Cotto to turn his feet around. Im sure he has done it enough times before.

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I didn't exactly want Cotto to win but I found myself being disappointed by Cotto's efforts AFTER his best round of the fight (and more importantly, the round that he did almost everything I said he should ;D).

And where was the southpaw Cotto at??? his right hand connection rate was poor as fuck but you could see he wanted it to be a big part of his arsenal... Just turn your feet around ffs!

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He was doing well in the orthodox stance, he did not get hit that much with Floyd's right hand, going southpaw may have confused him more that Floyd. Cotto jab was working and left hooks, no need to change stance.

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He was doing very well but it wasn't enough. He wasn't dynamic enough. I mean its easily said but so is "you have to use your jab, you have to force Floyd to come to you" but for a good period of time Cotto was doing the right things.

The right hand was missing a lot and the one thing you don't want to be doing against Floyd is wasting shots and getting frustrated. Luckily Cotto didn't get frustrated because he had an excellent jab that he could go back to but those extended periods where Cotto fell into the trap of wailing away at Mayweather on the ropes where no good because NO orthodox fighter can get the right kind of leverage against Floyd.

It wouldn't of confused Cotto to turn his feet around. Im sure he has done it enough times before.

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You are right about one thing, that is cotto has no right hand, like JMM kept on catching Floyd with.

I thought Cotto did about the best he could, Mayweather is hard to hit with clean, hard punches, which is his signature, hit and not be hit, he does that to perfection. I've never enjoyed watching Mayweather's fights because, i'm not a fan of his style, apparently i'm in a minority because if you're earning $32 mil + for your fights, some body must like you.