Timothy Bradley Jr. vs. Ruslan Provodnikov - Saturday night fight/chat thread

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Jones was reduced to silence and laugh in the 11th when Kellerman called him on "No Max hes not feeling these punches at all. They are only hitting the top of Tims head and not connecting on his chin so hes really not hurt"...Max basically shut him down off that

114-113 still after replay. Round 6th was this fight in a nut shell. Quality over quantity.

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Bradley showed a lot of heart and/or cojones surviving the 12 rounds, there no question about that. I don't argue the decision, because during the middle rounds Tim sucked it up and Provo let himself get outworked and outboxed. Remember Provo had little championship experience, and although Tim isn't a big puncher he was definately getting Provo's attention. (look at a replay of his face)
I would have like to see Provo get the nod, but it wasn't to be. Provo did 3 times the damage Pacquiao did, but he fell short on the cards because he got outworked. Pac on the other hand was able to outbox Bradley, there wasn't any doubt who won that fight.

Tim isn't going to be the same fighter after what happened last night. He got his ass handed to him, he simply does not have enough power, and he's too small to compete with the big dogs at welterweight.

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I had to turn it off by I think by rd 4 or 5. Lapdog and crew were firmly attached to Timmy's nut sack. The ref was even looking for a way to get Timmy out of it the freakin hack.

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Kellerman was the one calling Lamps and Jones on it throughout. He tried to reel them in as they were all over Bradley.

How anyone scored the 11th Bradley is a mystery to me.

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I was going to say that Max is the last bastion of objectivity on the broadcasts but unfortunately in order to listen to him I have to listen to Lapdog and hired guests. I could not believe Roy. Never heard that kind of bias from him before.

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Love Roy as a boxer, but he was absolutely terrible as a commentator last night. Cheer leading for Bradley the whole way and pompously comparing his heart to his own courage in the ring. It was nice to see Bradley get dropped at the end and shut Roy up. He was imagining punches hurting Provodnikov "really bad" when they weren't doing all that much damage.

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I've never been a fan of RJJ, either as a human being, boxer or an announcer, that's just the way it is, I almost always mute the sound when he's calling a fight on HBO.

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Whats not to like ? He was an amazing fighter and is a nice man.

Shit commentator last night though. ;D

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Just never have cared for the dude, my favorite RJJ fights were the 1st Tarver fight and when he got destroyed by Glenn Johnson. As for his announcing, the first go round with HBO was the RJJ appreciation show, with Lampley and Merchant taking turns telling him how fucking great he was and sticking their nose up his, egotistical, game cock fighting, rapper ass.
Since he's come back to HBO the 2nd time, I just can't take the shit that dribbles out of his mouth, I feel pretty sure that he gave Bradley a blow job after the fight last night, the way he was hanging on his nuts. (Lampley too)

Hey, you asked @Hulk

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And I have the forked tongue! :vd:

How eccentric you are! ;D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Jones was reduced to silence and laugh in the 11th when Kellerman called him on "No Max hes not feeling these punches at all. They are only hitting the top of Tims head and not connecting on his chin so hes really not hurt"...Max basically shut him down off that

114-113 still after replay. Round 6th was this fight in a nut shell. Quality over quantity.

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Bradley showed a lot of heart and/or cojones surviving the 12 rounds, there no question about that. I don't argue the decision, because during the middle the middle rounds Tim sucked it up and Provo let himself get outworked and outboxed. Remember Provo had little championship experience, and although Tim isn't a big puncher he was definately getting Provo's attention. (look at a replay of his face)
I would have like to see Provo get the nod, but it wasn't to be. Provo did 3 times the damage Pacquiao did, but he fell short on the cards because he got outworked. Pac on the other hand was able to outbox Bradley, there wasn't any doubt who won that fight.

Tim isn't going to be the same fighter after what happened last night. He got his ass handed to him, he simply does not have enough power, and he's too small to compete with the big dogs at welterweight.

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Bradley has too much heart and chin and not enough stamina and stopping power to keep the tight boxing we saw in spots. It started with me in the Campbell fight when he got zero respect...he turned boxer at start and he looked very sound and improved but Nate stole the show with that put on about his eye etc. His heart-instinct kept him in lastnight in spots when he was literally fighting concussed (end of 2nd, 6th) and rounds 3,4,5 were his best boxing. In a way Provo learning but loosing those rounds might do him better in long run. He needs set up and a 2nd gear. Shit make Provo Rios...or Maidana :-X Can only hope they find way to rematch! That great fight left you worn out ;D

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Jones was reduced to silence and laugh in the 11th when Kellerman called him on "No Max hes not feeling these punches at all. They are only hitting the top of Tims head and not connecting on his chin so hes really not hurt"...Max basically shut him down off that

114-113 still after replay. Round 6th was this fight in a nut shell. Quality over quantity.

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Bradley showed a lot of heart and/or cojones surviving the 12 rounds, there no question about that. I don't argue the decision, because during the middle the middle rounds Tim sucked it up and Provo let himself get outworked and outboxed. Remember Provo had little championship experience, and although Tim isn't a big puncher he was definately getting Provo's attention. (look at a replay of his face)
I would have like to see Provo get the nod, but it wasn't to be. Provo did 3 times the damage Pacquiao did, but he fell short on the cards because he got outworked. Pac on the other hand was able to outbox Bradley, there wasn't any doubt who won that fight.

Tim isn't going to be the same fighter after what happened last night. He got his ass handed to him, he simply does not have enough power, and he's too small to compete with the big dogs at welterweight.

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Bradley has too much heart and chin and not enough stamina and stopping power to keep the tight boxing we saw in spots. It started with me in the Campbell fight when he got zero respect...he turned boxer at start and he looked very sound and improved but Nate stole the show with that put on about his eye etc. His heart-instinct kept him in lastnight in spots when he was literally fighting concussed (end of 2nd, 6th) and rounds 3,4,5 were his best boxing. In a way Provo learning but loosing those rounds might do him better in long run. He needs set up and a 2nd gear. Shit make Provo Rios...or Maidana :-X Can only hope they find way to rematch! That great fight left you worn out ;D

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Absolutely a great fight, which was the last thing I expected from Bradley. I really thought Provo would get somewhat schooled and we'd see a boring UD for Bradley, who knew. :cool:

I believe Bradley was trying to show everyone that he was an exciting fighter, with underrated power in the first 2 rounds, by going for the KO, and it backfired on him. Thanks Tim, this was your most exciting fight ever. ;)

Prov would get destroyed by Maidana , Rios, Mathysse. He caught Bradley with a heavy punch early on, and Bradley never fully recovered. Prov should have won imo , but i don't see him winning a rematch with Bradley , or a fight with the guys mentioned above.

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Prov would get destroyed by Maidana , Rios, Mathysse. He caught Bradley with a heavy punch early on, and Bradley never fully recovered. Prov should have won imo , but i don't see him winning a rematch with Bradley , or a fight with the guys mentioned above.

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I'm not so sure that Bradley will ever totally recover from this fight, he took a pretty bad beating. I can see why some might think Bradley would "box" his way to a win in a rematch, but Provo might be even better and he'd make another war out of it.

I don't think Bradley would want a rematch with Provo, he might be looking elsewhere for a bigger payday, this fight likely improved his marketability with casual fans.

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Prov would get destroyed by Maidana , Rios, Mathysse. He caught Bradley with a heavy punch early on, and Bradley never fully recovered. Prov should have won imo , but i don't see him winning a rematch with Bradley , or a fight with the guys mentioned above.

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I'm not so sure that Bradley will ever totally recover from this fight, he took a pretty bad beating. I can see why some might think Bradley would "box" his way to a win in a rematch, but Provo might be even better and he'd make another war out of it.

I don't think Bradley would want a rematch with Provo, he might be looking elsewhere for a bigger payday, this fight likely improved his marketability with casual fans.

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I agree . Bradley can make much more money in different fights. Welterweight is a very packed division. Bradley should move back to 140 if he can make the weight.

Provo is the literal expression of "Let sleeping dogs lie"...Bradley won't have none of it. I think Provo wins-improves his set up and pressure if it happens though and gets the win.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Provo is the literal expression of "Let sleeping dogs lie"...Bradley won't have none of it. I think Provo wins-improves his set up and pressure if it happens though and gets the win.

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I don't bud. I think Bradley wins big in the rematch by simply changing his start.

Provo proved he can beat Bradley, but can he beat Top Rank?

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Provo is the literal expression of "Let sleeping dogs lie"...Bradley won't have none of it. I think Provo wins-improves his set up and pressure if it happens though and gets the win.

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I don't bud. I think Bradley wins big in the rematch by simply changing his start.

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When he got clocked, he budged...and he will always fall into slug with his heart on his sleeve. Holt, Peterson, Abregu, Provo.. Its a testament to his courage but a curse to his skill. Also, hes not the only one who can adapt and make change.

Does anyone have a link for fight replay?
I want to watch it again to see if it was a knockdown or not.
Thank you.

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Provo proved he can beat Bradley, but can he beat Top Rank?

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That's about the best Quixote I've seen on here. Both Prov and Omatoso won their respective fights, but they weren't the 'features' so to speak.

Prov deserved at least FOUR 10-8 rounds in that fight... How the F*ck can ANYONE see the fight for Bradley? That's a 112 maximum score...

(Round 1, 2 , 12... & If I hit you and you SIT on the bottom rope, that's a knock down...)

Side Note: Pat Russell is currently the WORST ref in the USA... Go check any of his fights... All biased, all questionable. Quick stoppages, saving fighters, etc. How did his final 8 count take 17 seconds?

SHAMEFUL

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Provo is the literal expression of "Let sleeping dogs lie"...Bradley won't have none of it. I think Provo wins-improves his set up and pressure if it happens though and gets the win.

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I don't bud. I think Bradley wins big in the rematch by simply changing his start.

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When he got clocked, he budged...and he will always fall into slug with his heart on his sleeve. Holt, Peterson, Abregu, Provo.. Its a testament to his courage but a curse to his skill. Also, hes not the only one who can adapt and make change.

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Hmmm well I don't think Provo can make any adjustments as he looks to be a one way fighter. When Bradley adjusted from his bull in a china shop routine he controlled the action and the fight. Bradley does not have the power to hook with a hooker and when he tries he gets clipped.

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Does anyone have a link for fight replay?
I want to watch it again to see if it was a knockdown or not.
Thank you.

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Try this one. Its hq from a Russian site.

Проводников-Брэдли, 1/2 (вринге.ком) - HD видеохостинг Киносток

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Does anyone have a link for fight replay?
I want to watch it again to see if it was a knockdown or not.
Thank you.

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Try this one. Its hq from a Russian site.

Проводников-Брэдли, 1/2 (вринге.ком) - HD видеохостинг Киносток

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Thank you kind sir

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Prov would get destroyed by Maidana , Rios, Mathysse. He caught Bradley with a heavy punch early on, and Bradley never fully recovered. Prov should have won imo , but i don't see him winning a rematch with Bradley , or a fight with the guys mentioned above.

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He would beat maidana would be a very gd fight but prov looks a better boxer maidana is very crude

Watching the fight again i had bradley winning 8-4

7-5 if im being generous.

Bradley is a true warrior who when he was boxing won easy.

Can bradley win the peoples heart with this gutsy performance?

The thing is though, a better boxer with decent power will beat bradley.

Provodnikov deserves a rematch.

Great fight.

That was a poor performance by Bradley, he hand-picked an opponent to look good against and failed. Bradley is a B level champion like Paulie. He is not up there with JMM and Floyd or even Manny.

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That was a poor performance by Bradley, he hand-picked an opponent to look good against and failed. Bradley is a B level champion like Paulie. He is not up there with JMM and Floyd or even Manny.

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He keeps winning master.
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Watching the fight again i had bradley winning 8-4

7-5 if im being generous.

Bradley is a true warrior who when he was boxing won easy.

Can bradley win the peoples heart with this gutsy performance?

The thing is though, a better boxer with decent power will beat bradley.

Provodnikov deserves a rematch.

Great fight.

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Yup, and controversy is that if you counted 10-8 rounds in the beginning of the fight, with a 7-5 rounds score, the fight could have been declared a draw.

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That was a poor performance by Bradley, he hand-picked an opponent to look good against and failed. Bradley is a B level champion like Paulie. He is not up there with JMM and Floyd or even Manny.

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That's just false, my man. His resume is as good as any resume at or around that weight.

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That was a poor performance by Bradley, he hand-picked an opponent to look good against and failed. Bradley is a B level champion like Paulie. He is not up there with JMM and Floyd or even Manny.

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That's just false, my man. His resume is as good as any resume at or around that weight.

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The thing is mentally bradley knew it was the last round so he took the best decision in taking the knee.

If he didnt, he would have been knocked out.

Bradley proved yet again he can mix it up when it gets tough even though hes not the hardest puncher.

I wonder if people would still hate on him if he fights mayweather and ko him in the 6th round..wow..what a story that would be.

I am a Bradley fan but the reality is that he should have won that far easily than it tuned out to be. Bradley certainly showed heart but he has done that when knocked down and hurt by better fighters at the lower weight. Bradley cannot mix it at welterweight with the best fighters. He will try and lose and possibly go back down a division.

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I am a Bradley fan but the reality is that he should have won that far easily than it tuned out to be. Bradley certainly showed heart but he has done that when knocked down and hurt by better fighters at the lower weight. Bradley cannot mix it at welterweight with the best fighters. He will try and lose and possibly go back down a division.

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Bradley wanted to prove he fight.
Bradley wanted to prove he can punch.
I dont think he can punch that hard but he can mix it up a bit..he had his opponent hurt a few times.

Bradley could have boxed from get go but he ignored his trainer as something in him wanted to let the fans know and put that terrible feedback after the pac fight behind him and go an possibly get a ko.

In closing, bradley has shown me he has the heart of a lion that can wear his opponents down with his persisting pitty patty punches.

Can he beat a 40 yr old marquez.?
Yes..yes he can.

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Provo is the literal expression of "Let sleeping dogs lie"...Bradley won't have none of it. I think Provo wins-improves his set up and pressure if it happens though and gets the win.

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I don't bud. I think Bradley wins big in the rematch by simply changing his start.

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When he got clocked, he budged...and he will always fall into slug with his heart on his sleeve. Holt, Peterson, Abregu, Provo.. Its a testament to his courage but a curse to his skill. Also, hes not the only one who can adapt and make change.

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Hmmm well I don't think Provo can make any adjustments as he looks to be a one way fighter. When Bradley adjusted from his bull in a china shop routine he controlled the action and the fight. Bradley does not have the power to hook with a hooker and when he tries he gets clipped.

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I don't see why he cant really? The guys a younk turk still very much learning who knows he belongs now and can do damage on a championship stage. Hes not some worn down guy trying to reinvent himself because what he does no longer works..he has learned more in that war than probally his last few fights combined. He flat just needs to throw more punches. Work on stamina and Bradley was put into corners and along the ropes more then I ever remember him being and its clear he can hurt Tim badly in the beginning, the middle, and the end. I think he adjusts and as a Tauras I favor the Bull most days ;D

I have no problem with Bradley winning the fight, but I didn't have it that way.

To me, what may have beeen one of the 4 most boring rounds of the bout was the 7th but it also may have been the most pivotal. A badly dazed Bradley came out, feigning punches and keeping on his bike while landing almost NOTHING of consequence. Provodnikov didn't exactly light the ring on fire in the round but landed the only significant blows of the round and anything he got hit with was absolute pitter pat. Bradley didn't set his feet at all that round. I ask everyone to go back and actually watch that round and it probably works best if you watch that round exclusively. Provodnikov won it! And by a wide margin I would argue. In the flow of the fight, it felt like a letdown round for Provodnikov because he wasn't able to hurt Bradley or stack any momentum in his favor after a huge 6th round. I get that the round was a dud for Provodnikov but that doesn't mean he didn't win it. The eighth round was Bradley boxing beautiful, not getting hit and actually landing punches of consequence. That's how you win a round without having to set your feet much. The 7th is the antithesis of that. I get how people scored it for Bradley, because it just had the feel of a Bradley round because he was only losing up to that point when he did get stationary but he lost that round. The tenth is the huge one, I could see it being scored either way but I would absolutely score it for Provodnikov.

So you have rounds 1,2,6,7,10,11,12 for Provodnikov on my card. Even without a 10-8 round in the first or second, even if you give the 10th to Bradley (there is no argument for the 7th imo) then you still get a Provodnikov decision win. I understand I'm in the minority and I know there were 3 swing rounds, that's just how I scored it.

Bradley fought excellent though, he just was being MOVED by punches. Towards the end, it was even the jab that was hurting Bradley and just physically pushing him backwards. Bradley carries the left pretty low and always stays real loose which is why he can let so much leather fly but at 147 pounds, those punches have a lot more effect on him than they did at 140. That right hand over the low left of Bradley hurt him EVERY time it landed. He did his best work when he was able to avoid the Provodnikov jab and keep him for closing in behind that jab. Then he pitter pat around Provodnikov's guard from a distance, kept Provodnikov plodding and handcuffed. That's what he did in the 8th and that's what made me think he was the best 140 pounder on the planet a few years ago when the division was brimming with really good, young talent.

And yes, Roy was terrible. Please everyone, go rewatch the most boring round of a great fight ;D Tell me Bradley won it, no way! That is all. Yeah though, HBO has a Roy Jones problem whenever he sees even a tiny bit of himself in a guy.

Roy was very PRO bradley which i thought is poor form for any commentator.

I suppose as well it depends on what type of boxing fan you are.

We all like a bit of action, fiery exchanges but i prefer the boxing side alot more.

The middle part of the fight bradley was out boxing prod and thats what won the fight for me.

Look at the state of prod face compared to bradley is another factor why it wasnt all one way traffic.

Timothy Bradley: Standing There and Trading Was Idiotic - Boxing News

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Roy was very PRO bradley which i thought is poor form for any commentator.

I suppose as well it depends on what type of boxing fan you are.

We all like a bit of action, fiery exchanges but i prefer the boxing side alot more.

The middle part of the fight bradley was out boxing prod and thats what won the fight for me.

Look at the state of prod face compared to bradley is another factor why it wasnt all one way traffic.

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My favorite fighter is Pernell Whitaker, was a huge Winky fan and almost always side with the 'boxer' in close fights.

Watch round 7 though. I like boxing when it's actually effective, Bradley did nothin but flick out jabs that didn't land while Provosnikov landed 5 or 6 really nice punches at different points in the round. Bradley was just getting his legs under him, it was a smart round for him to take off but you shouldn't win a round for that. It worked because Bradley was really good in round 8 actually being effective using his legs. Just rewatch it if you get the chance.

Circling back after watching Provodnikov TKO Alvarado last night. Didn't know about this site until today.

I think Provodnikov beat Bradley decisively. I have watched a lot of boxing, a lot, and I am always amazed when I hear people say things like, "yeah, he may have gotten clocked several times in the fight but he still won the fight on points" which is exactly the argument Bradley fans made.

You always have to ask yourself after a fight who would you rather be. That will tell you who won the fight. Clearly, Bradley was much more damaged than Provodnikov. Bradley was out on his feet several times in the bout, fighting solely on grit and instincts, to his credit, but he did not win the fight. There were a few rounds that Provodnikov took off and Bradley won by default but Bradley did not win this fight. Not even close.

Now, Provodnikov has what is rightfully his, a world title belt. He should also be wearing the one Bradly has around his.

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Circling back after watching Provodnikov TKO Alvarado last night. Didn't know about this site until today.

I think Provodnikov beat Bradley decisively. I have watched a lot of boxing, a lot, and I am always amazed when I hear people say things like, "yeah, he may have gotten clocked several times in the fight but he still won the fight on points" which is exactly the argument Bradley fans made.

You always have to ask yourself after a fight who would you rather be. That will tell you who won the fight. Clearly, Bradley was much more damaged than Provodnikov. Bradley was out on his feet several times in the bout, fighting solely on grit and instincts, to his credit, but he did not win the fight. There were a few rounds that Provodnikov took off and Bradley won by default but Bradley did not win this fight. Not even close.

Now, Provodnikov has what is rightfully his, a world title belt. He should also be wearing the one Bradly has around his.

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Good post and welcome to the forum. I agree that Provodnikov won the Bradley fight and I will admit to subscribing, at least partially, to the "who would I rather be theory." With that said, boxing is still scored on a round by round basis and all rounds are weighted equally. You can buzz a guy, pile on and dominate trying for the stoppage and win a round 10-9. As a judge, it is imperative that you wipe the slate clean after a round like this and score the round in a vacuum. I would have rather been Provo in the Bradley bout but I have no problem with anyone scoring for Bradley because we do score round by round.

This goes both ways too. There are far to many rounds given to guys who lose rounds just because they did better then previous rounds, even if they didnt win them. I'm absolutely convinced this was C.J. Ross' problem in the PBF-Canelo fight. Think she just gave Canelo all the rounds where he made small progress and did better than he did previously and shit rolled downhill to the tune of a scorecard that read a draw. So its a thing that should go both ways but we pretty much agree. My card (and I'm trying to remember off the very top of my head) was 114-113 Provo. You could have extended that to 114-111 with two rounds that couldve (or should have) been 10-8.