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I said at the time , it was a great performance from Fury, far exceeding my expectations, and special mention to Peter Fury for devising the gameplan and Tyson for having the discipline to go through with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Obviously I felt Wlad was a disgrace and was very poor on the night (you'll say that was because Tyson wouldn't let him fight and that's fair comment.)
So, what did you think of AJ's Performance?
Joshua isn't an old man terrified of getting hit. Fury doesn't have the power to keep away from him, in fact we know that for a fact as Fury admitted AJ bashed him up before in sparring.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The other four guys I mentioned could knock Joshua out with one shot. That's the difference.
Fury out boxes AJ with ease at this moment in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterJoshua isn't an old man terrified of getting hit. Fury doesn't have the power to keep away from him, in fact we know that for a fact as Fury admitted AJ bashed him up before in sparring.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The other four guys I mentioned could knock Joshua out with one shot. That's the difference.
thing is AJ is an Olympic gold medallist, you'd have to give him a good chance of landing a punch or two
can fury take the power?
is furys power enough to discourage AJ?
I think no one can take AJ's power so Fury will not stand and trade with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Fury has height and reach advantages so will try and out box him.
AJ is also static and little head movement so will get out boxed.
AJ has never gone the distance so psychologically he would fight slower to ensure he has enough energy to see the fight to the end.
Right now Fury would be favourite.
I don't know how impressive that actually was. Martin didn't look any better than some of the tomato cans Joshua has knocked out previously.
It's ridiculous that his first proper test is going to be when he's defending a belt. I hope they haven't rushed him and that the IBF are amenable to a few quid to give him soft mandatories for a while. Chisora sounds like a decent option for his next fight. Not much power to worry about but you know he comes to fight.
Am watching Nigel Benn's son now. I hope he's got a hell of a chin on him.
He has Nigel's fighting style and has some head movement but not the power. The left hook to the body was a touch of class. Not bad for a debut fight and the dance with his old man was good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Fury outboxes AJ with ease? Until about 60 seconds into the fight when he gets smashed in the mouth.
Power, speed, timing, ramrod jab, can fight on the inside, punch output, fearless.
Fury is a better singer.
AJ has power but not the speed to catch Fury, who would not be stupid enough to try and trade with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fury would try and take him to the later rounds and stop him.
Exactly how fast do you need to be to chin a man who took 20 odd rounds to see off Fat John?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAJ has power but not the speed to catch Fury, who would not be stupid enough to try and trade with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fury would try and take him to the later rounds and stop him.
Fury gets all the credit in the World for beating Wladimir, but the suggestion from some (not just here) that he has now become this masterful boxer who will do what he pleases with whom he pleases and is head and shoulders above the competition is to me, frankly as ludicrous as labelling Joshua the second coming after chinning Martin.
Im reading thease last few comments and its like De Ja Vu.
What will Fury do when he gets hit by a big right hand? Same as he did when Klitschko caught him, fight back.
Took 20 rounds to beat fat John? Could that man beat a defending all time great with a huge punch in his own country? Oh yeah he did!;D
Joshua beat Fury up in sparring? Thats what Fury said at the time being kind. Joshua later said Fury was too rough for him. James Ali Bashir said Joshua was useless in sparring with Wladimir and had to tell him to try and fight back more or hes just going to get beaten up and sent home. Wladimir didnt want to spar Tyson.
Power soeed timing etc from Joshua. Against who? He looked shit against Whyte bar the knockout. Martin stood there static like an idiot.
He won Olympic gold? He was gifted it and was getting outboxed!
I will again have the last laugh (If matchroom are actually believing their own hype and try to make the fight) and you will all again sulk when I revel in it;D
Some things above that I have to agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
So , Ross what did you think of AJ's performance Saturday Night? Bearing in mind that we both thought he would have a lot tougher night
Fury is a masterful boxer.
AJ is a powerful puncher.
facts
The idea that beating Wlad means Fury is unbeatable is beyond absurd. We're back to Buster Douglas.
There are currently several heavyweights that could potentially beat Fury and AJ.
Wlad Klit was always shit
fury was just good at stopping him from holding, he didn't have to hit him very often to win
just shows how much wlad relied on holding
if he avoids wlads holding again then fury's next defence might be against someone who bases their strategy on punching, an elite HW fighter that punches (a first for fury)
lets see how he gets on then
I'll always maintain that Wlad was the luckiest "dominant" champion in history (modern).
Not only do I think Vitali would have smashed him but having two brothers at the top of the tree totally diluted the competition (even though it was going through a shockingly shit period).
To be fair, Wladamir suppsedly fought the most dangerous heavyweights of recent years in Haye and Povetkin and did what he wanted with them. Pulev was supposed to be something and he smashed him in two rounds. He went to America and fought the best available American and won every round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I agree he cant really be considered "dominant" for so long because of his brother was also a belt holder for some of that time but that doesnt stop Larry Holmes being considered dominant for so long when there was other belts available and he never unified.
So, Ross, what did you think of AJ's performance on Saturday? Bearing in mind we both thought he would have a harder night of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossTo be fair, Wladamir suppsedly fought the most dangerous heavyweights of recent years in Haye and Povetkin and did what he wanted with them. Pulev was supposed to be something and he smashed him in two rounds. He went to America and fought the best available American and won every round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I agree he cant really be considered "dominant" for so long because of his brother was also a belt holder for some of that time but that doesnt stop Larry Holmes being considered dominant for so long when there was other belts available and he never unified.
Sticks in the throat, that humble pie doesn't it? 😂😉
@Primo Carnera, why don't you start a new thread?
Nah, mate, no point. This is just as good. 😂😂😂
@ross, what do you think of AJs performance on Saturday night?
I know before the fight you mentioned you thought he might struggle, @Primo Carnera agreed with you
I however thought it would be over in 3, I put a tenner on each of the first 3 rounds, I now have £70 in my betfred account
I thought he looked strong but still looks limited. Martin didnt use what he has and just stood there.
Joshua will overwhelm the majority of the division but he nor Hearn would take Fury, Klitschko, Wilderr Povetkin in his next fight. Hearn was unsure as to take this fight!
Thanks Ross. Was he better or worse than expected?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
LMAO. His job is to sell the fight. Hes not going to say we've been targeting Martin because he has a belt and is an easy win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
How many people said it's too early for a world title fight? (so-called experts as well as fans). Hearn would have been absolutely slaughtered if AJ lost
No different. Martin was worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThanks Ross. Was he better or worse than expected?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ok then, thanks. Slowly getting rid of that Humble pie, but I can tell there's a little bit still stuck in yourQuote:
Originally Posted by rossNo different. Martin was worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThanks Ross. Was he better or worse than expected?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
throat. 😄
The limited Martin was made for the power punching Joshua as it proved.
Just like the shot Wlad couldn't throw any punches against the bigger fury , due to age and miles on the clock. Out with the old in with the new I say.