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Like yourself it views even quite moderate fair capitalist ideas as communism and a threat. What Yanis proposes would represent real change and people are terrified of that. Ironically that is what those voting Brexit really have in common with many Blairite (or LIB DEM traitorous) remainers. THey want either a regression to the past or 'The same as it ever was'.
It being the "right wing corporate elite"? Yanis is a literal Marxist and while certain folks view Marx as this intellectual giant I guess mere mortals attempting to achieve his worldview have either misunderstood how it works or misrepresented it or something but every time it's tried it fails. Perhaps there's a sweet spot somehow some way that people can achieve, but I don't want to risk 100 million lives on it when I think our economic system needs a tweak here and there in order to get us working correctly. As for "regression or same as it ever was" change happens it's a part of life, but the rate at which change happens matters for cohesive nation states, for assimilation, for polite society...the migration push (and nobody can deny it's a PUSH) isn't for nothing, there's a reason for it and in my own opinion it's to destabilize nation states so that larger overarching (unaccountable to the people) governments gain more power like the EU and UN, but that's my view and yours could be completely different, you could see those things as the wave of the future and the next logical step, I don't know but it's part of why I ask questions and appreciate your honest answers.
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You cannot get any more establishment than Farrge the toffs and multinational corporations that installed him. He is no alternative just as UKIP the party he formed is not. Benjamin represents a desire to regress as does Tommy because change is just too challenging to them personally.
That's fine if that is what Farrage truly is. Who installed Corbyn and May? And if they are no different then where does one go as a voter? Carl Benjamin is running because his freedom of speech and part of how he earns his money have been under attack for years. Carl Benjamin was happy to play and review videogames but Gamergate happened, Feminists have made it their mission in life to destroy him, and various platforms ban or censor him....they could have just let him alone couldn't they? Even if he attempts to troll those people, they aren't required by law to notice him or react to him and ditto with Tommy. Carl and Tommy have followings for a reason, they didn't come out of nowhere.
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Its a lot to digest, and you may find it too unpalatetable, but I have nothing to gain by telling lies.
For me the forum, like life, is kind of wasted if all we all think we can't learn anything from others.
I have found it most instructive, if baffling at times, to be surrounded by people quite unlike most of my mates and family etc.
I brought up Gandalf because he has been one of the most vocal on these things and in this thread but he is speaking from a place between us both.
Most people don't even want to speak about it so don't take me or his word for it and certainly look further away from the narrow prism of Tommy, Carl and that whole 'scene'.
It really is not very representative.
Indeed, and I appreciate your taking the time to respond honestly. I agree we should be trying to hear voices from opposing views, we should challenge our own views and be up for defending our own views as well. I too have been completely blindsided by some of the different opinions on here and there have been more than a few times I've responded incorrectly to them, I'm attempting to do better but I'll never agree 100% with anyone I don't even 100% agree with myself after a while.
I ask when you bring up other posters in a response to me because I feel (and maybe this is just me) but I perceive that causing more work for you as Gandalf or Al or myself or whomever will of course see they're mentioned, they'll then decide to respond and with 1 post you've now got 3-4 people you're having a discussion with instead of just the one and that would lead me to believe that oftentimes you might feel ganged up on because of that type of thing...but that's just an observation from me so take it for what it is worth.
Well I do frequently ask questions to myself of what Tommy, Carl, etc produce, but it's never so much more than I ask of the mainstream media as those are gigantic corporations (of which we're all rightly dubious of correct?) So it kind of piques my interest when The BBC (whom you've said are far right) bring on Carl Benjamin and attempt to demolish him in an interrogation style interview because that to me doesn't add up unless of course one is to view the BBC as the establishment and Carl Benjamin then as anti-establishment in which case should we not err on the side of the little guy or is the little guy owned and operated by the mega corporations who (and this is a bit conspiracy theory-like) are at odds with other mega corporations that run media? So that's a bit tricky for me to unravel. I do of course check out other sources but Carl is (even if you disagree with his politics) quite good at what he does. He produces good arguments and debates rather well, he's been debating all over England and sure the protesters he faces aren't the best spoken lot and maybe they get a bit of stage fright, but Carl is seemingly willing to talk to anyone and everyone, shouldn't that be the case for all politicians? I'd certainly welcome it in America.
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El Kabong here are you questions answered in full. I posted it already. You really are quite unreasonable. I get you don't like or agree with the answers but that is not the point.
Tommy, Carl, PJW and the MSM are two sides of the same coin. They feed each other and revel in outrage and identity politics. You and many here reposting their crap are part of the same game.
I appreciate that. If you feel I'm unreasonable then that is fine you're certainly free to feel as you like. I won't bother you with my posting if you'd rather I move along to something else.
Tommy, Carl, and PJW don't have giant corporations behind them funding everything they do and demonizing and silencing everyone that dares disagree with them so they are quite different than the mainstream media. Very few corporations control our media in the United States and you've got STATE controlled media in the BBC in Britain so why not give a listen outside of that bubble? That is what I do and it better helps me digest news from the mainstream media because they DO lie by omission, they DO skew stories, they DO play favorites, and they hide things quite cleverly all of which leaves me questioning why? But hey that is me and my view and if you find me too troublesome to deal with then that is fine I'll leave you be.
Thanks for both these reply posts they are awesome and of course I don't want you too stop engaging with me nor do i find you too troublesome to deal with. I have only just read these after posting my reply to your reply before these :-\ ;D
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Not quite what the Tommy media have told you or the MSM. Lads will be lads. Quite clearly you can see bottles coming from Tommies mob and the old bill trying to stop the MDL getting close to the EDL ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aJYJi9__w4
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Thanks for both these reply posts they are awesome and of course I don't want you too stop engaging with me nor do i find you too troublesome to deal with. I have only just read these after posting my reply to your reply before these :-\;D
Well then let's both hope your previous response doesn't get me to lose my cool :cool:
If I wanted to dictate what the answers were I wouldn't ask the questions. I want the answers to be as clear and in depth as possible so that misunderstandings can be avoided as I've found most forum fights can be avoided through clarity. Sorry that my numbering questions irks you, but again I do that for clarity and so that it is easier for me to follow along from previous posts. Nobody HAS to jump through hoops, I'm merely setting things up for myself so I better understand things and I'm more organized, I certainly hold no power over how you decide to respond or not to my posts. As for the issue of tone, I've never felt comfortable in judging the manner in which you post and I wouldn't put it past anyone to be passive aggressive and given that I'm attempting to bridge a gap here and I'm trusting you to do the same as you had previously indicated I have only questioned the tone rather than assume and retaliate which would have landed us right back in the rut we had previously been in.
1. "You are outraged that people can be offended." Not in the slightest, I will typically wonder WHY someone takes offense or what the point of taking offense over seemingly trivial matters are, but hey it's their life and if they wish to live it in a way where they're constantly aghast dropping the monocles into their martini glasses then that's one way to live. My disdain comes from people making cases to affect my personal freedom and liberty to do something and THAT is what I get hacked off at.
2. "Everyone in the Universe. Nobody. Who cares? If you want to be outraged that is your call but there is an awful lot out there that will push your buttons, whoever you are. Is that the kind of stress you want in your life?" They're free to push my buttons, they're not free to make laws limiting my freedom and liberty.
3. Do they? Ayaan Hirsi Ali doesn't fit the profile both Carl and Tommy like her and believe she's a fierce warrior and the epitome of what TRUE Feminism is. Yet she's black, she's formerly Muslim, she's not English at all not British at all, but her work, her unwavering stand against Militant Islam inspires their own work. Ayaan tweeted "People ask me about the Tommy Robinson saga in the UK. Here is the best piece I have read on it:https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...mpression=true" ...looks like support to me and from someone foreign, of color, and from a different religious background.
And this little pearl from the article in question: "Indeed he (Tommy Robinson) was once charged with assault for head-butting a Nazi sympathizer who wouldn’t leave an EDL protest. Not many people bothered with those details. The assault got reported, but not the cause. So the fact that Robinson had head-butted a Nazi became yet more evidence that he himself must be some kind of Nazi." ...seems of import to take notice of if we're to fully judge his character.
I've not seen or heard of Carl Benjamin or Tommy attempting to shut down anyone's free speech. I know for a fact Carl Benjamin welcomes haters, he's eager to talk with them. "They hate being called fascists because they think that they are not the Devil incarnate." I didn't understand this, is the bold & underlined "they" referring to Tommy & Carl or Fascists because that could have multiple meanings and I want to correctly understand rather than assume. I also don't think either Carl or Tommy want laws to crack down on the free speech of others, they'd be horrible hypocrites if they did that. "They use the same language of discrimination that their critics employ to claim the position of victimhood." oh they absolutely do and that is done in order to prove a point it's showing someone what life would be like if the shoe were on the other foot. Carl Benjamin HAS called for bans on certain college courses as he sees them as poisonous and a waste of time and money, the courses he says that about aren't going to keep people from getting jobs unless of course you're a professor of one of those classes....but hey let the market decide if someone wants to waste thousands of dollars becoming dumber then by all means go ahead let the government fuck your credit up for the rest of your life.
"They share the same overriding motivation that fascists have of wanting to install an overriding power that will remove the rights of individuals." Are there examples of this being said or referenced or hinted at?
The Fascists of Italy were led by Mussolini who said "Fascism recognizes the real needs that gave rise to Socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized by the unity of the state" and Mussolini himself was an avid Socialist in WW1. But people can change, I don't think Socialism and Fascism are all that different, they're both totalitarian, they're both replacing everything with "The State", and they're both systems of single party government either you're in THE party or you're in deep shit.
4. Well of course there are differences in English & British cultures as one is the part of a whole. There's plenty that goes into culture and sure it's changing all the time, but evolving or replacing? How fast need it evolve or be replaced? And in one directions or many? It looks a right mess to have extreme feminists who believe in slut walks and toplessness right next to full head to toe niqabs and burkahs...which direction are we as a society going to go? Neither group wants a middle ground and that is a big problem which can/will/has caused conflict already and it'll get worse before it gets better. The main issue I see with change is that it's happening at an exponentially fast rate...I personally living in a "refugee town" as it were have noticed more people with difficulty speaking English than there used to be, and it's not that I hate them or loathe them or want them to go back where they came from it's in order for us to truly be good neighbors we need to be able to communicate clearly. Plus it's unfair to them if they're getting fucked over by not speaking the language and of course that happens it happens to people who speak English and are dealing with people speaking foreign languages too, it doesn't foster a climate of togetherness or community and those are important things right?
"It is a fact of life on Planet earth that we will roam and you can pretend you have more rights to a piece of land or a country than other people but it is an illusory concept like money." OK then so I can just walk into your house and take food out of your fridge? Or are there rules against that? I could walk right in to say The Pentagon or 10 Downing St and make myself at home or would that be frowned upon? Prisoners have their mobility restricted, why? I mean surely as they are human they should move as others do. Money is used in place of barter for those incapable of producing goods and services on their own, there are rules to it and how it works to deny that is to pretend we're no different than cavemen....cavemen by the way would also have territory they patrolled and
protected chimpanzees even do that and they go to BRUTAL war if someone oversteps the boundary so it's not as if we've always been free to frolic wherever we wanted to, quite the opposite really.
I treasure English culture and history but I am not so blind to think it superior to all others just like the current version of Western civilization is not either. English culture itself is often not beautiful and brilliant and so I would not expect other cultures to be defined so narrowly and crudely.
Well if you're joining a group hell bent on the demise of England/Britain and turning it 100% Muslim (or returning from your stint with ISIS or Al Qaeda) then yeah I'd say that's "less English". No Buddhism like Islam isn't a race or ethnicity but a religion and one of free will that you can join at your leisure. Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity and therefore is a bit different, but an ethnic Jew can be of a different religion obviously. It doesn't make you less English. What do these people believe about the rule of law and what are their philosophies? What do they share besides the same land? Foods, sporting events, arts, history, community, sometimes religion, festivals, do they band together to defend their homeland? Do they consider England their homeland?
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5. Who am I defending that would "shut free speech down"? It IS an excuse for any kind of speech, using it responsibly is down to the person using it and the company they keep. I for one wouldn't curse in church, I CAN but I do not as I have respect which is a decision I make of my own free will and that is appreciated by those I share my community and place of worship with. If speech can be used to motivate someone to kill then does it not follow that speech can be used to maintain peace as well? Outlawing someone from expressing themselves even if it's hateful and vile is the same as outlawing their THOUGHT of those things and that is dangerous, I also feel as though nasty people who think evil things ought to show themselves so the civilized world(meaning those people of whatever cultures etc) can see them for who they are and make their choice to follow along with hate OR to choose love and choose peace. It is because I recognize it's power does not ONLY lie in evil which is why I want it free.
6. "Words are not just words and never were" then I'm afraid you've given up your power to whoever has the ability to speak. I for one do not believe that you are some mindless zombie that I can command into tears or joy or ....well maybe if I scream "DO JUMPING JACKS FOR 5 HOURS STRAIGHT!!!" you'll actually comply, but for some reason I doubt it.
Well Carl Benjamin is using his speech and YouTube as the platform, YouTube is available to any number of people and they're free to respond as they wish Kevin Logan has done that often and in the same manner albeit his reasoning is different of course and that is fine. People have assumptions of you like they have assumptions of me or anyone else, it's misunderstanding (accidental or on purpose), miscommunication (they read what you didn't write, you write something in a manner that is difficult to discern what you mean), reading requires reading comprehension and if you're tired or drunk or distracted all of those things can impact your reading comprehension and likewise if you're angry or upset or happy or feeling another extreme of emotion it can skew what someone has written.
7. I'm pleased you have no animus towards me. I wonder what got you started hating Dr. Peterson and to think he's nihilistic is something I can't wrap my mind around but hey whether it's him or Carl or Tommy or Trump or whoever you're not obligated to like anyone if you don't have to I just wanted a clearer picture of why...I mean I hated Derek Jeter (American baseball player) for no other reason than he played for the Yankees other than that I had great respect for the guy.
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Not quite what the Tommy media have told you or the MSM. Lads will be lads. Quite clearly you can see bottles coming from Tommies mob and the old bill trying to stop the MDL getting close to the EDL ;D
This video shows the police leading an angry mob screaming "allah akbar" into a "predominately white" area full of women, kids and families. The video even says Tommy chose the area to not cause any offence or trouble.
Imagine the outrage if it was reversed? Imagine that was an estate full of muslims? Imagine it was friday prayers when the streets get blocked? And police led a mob of angry motorists to attack them?
Boys will be boys but the police should be preventing mobs rucking in streets not helping them.
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Not quite what the Tommy media have told you or the MSM. Lads will be lads. Quite clearly you can see bottles coming from Tommies mob and the old bill trying to stop the MDL getting close to the EDL ;D
This video shows the police leading an angry mob screaming "allah akbar" into a "predominately white" area full of women, kids and families. The video even says Tommy chose the area to not cause any offence or trouble.
Imagine the outrage if it was reversed? Imagine that was an estate full of muslims? Imagine it was friday prayers when the streets get blocked? And police led a mob of angry motorists to attack them?
Boys will be boys but the police should be preventing mobs rucking in streets not helping them.
Those individuals were out of control. This lady obviously considers the South of England much safer than the North and explains why. To spin it into Robinson being the problem is a bit low considering the evidence really. Just maybe some people do not know about certain parts of the country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt79RUOXbh0
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From watching these Carl videos, that area looks like heaven to me, not because it's 100% white English, because it's so beautifully clean and uncongested. Everything looks so relaxed and leisurely.
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Who would have guessed this was coming?
81 year-old Army veteran 'attacked' with milkshake outside polling station for wearing a Brexit rosette
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ation-wearing/
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Non-rape jokes by You Tuber = No rapes.
Media and politicians laughing about and promoting violence = Several people physically attacked for 'wrong think'.
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Not quite what the Tommy media have told you or the MSM. Lads will be lads. Quite clearly you can see bottles coming from Tommies mob and the old bill trying to stop the MDL getting close to the EDL ;D
This video shows the police leading an angry mob screaming "allah akbar" into a "predominately white" area full of women, kids and families. The video even says Tommy chose the area to not cause any offence or trouble.
Imagine the outrage if it was reversed? Imagine that was an estate full of muslims? Imagine it was friday prayers when the streets get blocked? And police led a mob of angry motorists to attack them?
Boys will be boys but the police should be preventing mobs rucking in streets not helping them.
No it doesn't. Neither this video or the Tommy one shows the Police leading anyone anywhere. It shows them lining up and stopping each group from getting near the other. Look again at the asian blokes video you can clearly see the MDL making their own way with no police leading them at all. It is an important point. Important because the police will often escort group even known football firms on their way to a ruckus at matches. What do you want them to do arrest everyone on one side ? It wasn't the Asian blokes who blocked the streets.
To call it an area full of women kids and families is weird too, it is a housing estate, what do you want to do? create Christian exclusion zones ;D
I don't see the police helping anyone that is just Tommy's victim narrative as his mates hurl bottles at some asian blokes who are just as bad as his mob.
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Not quite what the Tommy media have told you or the MSM. Lads will be lads. Quite clearly you can see bottles coming from Tommies mob and the old bill trying to stop the MDL getting close to the EDL ;D
This video shows the police leading an angry mob screaming "allah akbar" into a "predominately white" area full of women, kids and families. The video even says Tommy chose the area to not cause any offence or trouble.
Imagine the outrage if it was reversed? Imagine that was an estate full of muslims? Imagine it was friday prayers when the streets get blocked? And police led a mob of angry motorists to attack them?
Boys will be boys but the police should be preventing mobs rucking in streets not helping them.
No it doesn't. Neither this video or the Tommy one shows the Police leading anyone anywhere. It shows them lining up and stopping each group from getting near the other. Look again at the asian blokes video you can clearly see the MDL making their own way with no police leading them at all. It is an important point. Important because the police will often escort group even known football firms on their way to a ruckus at matches. What do you want them to do arrest everyone on one side ? It wasn't the Asian blokes who blocked the streets.
To call it an area full of women kids and families is weird too, it is a housing estate, what do you want to do? create Christian exclusion zones ;D
I don't see the police helping anyone that is just Tommy's victim narrative as his mates hurl bottles at some asian blokes who are just as bad as his mob.
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Beanz
Not quite what the Tommy media have told you or the MSM. Lads will be lads. Quite clearly you can see bottles coming from Tommies mob and the old bill trying to stop the MDL getting close to the EDL ;D
This video shows the police leading an angry mob screaming "allah akbar" into a "predominately white" area full of women, kids and families. The video even says Tommy chose the area to not cause any offence or trouble.
Imagine the outrage if it was reversed? Imagine that was an estate full of muslims? Imagine it was friday prayers when the streets get blocked? And police led a mob of angry motorists to attack them?
Boys will be boys but the police should be preventing mobs rucking in streets not helping them.
No it doesn't. Neither this video or the Tommy one shows the Police leading anyone anywhere. It shows them lining up and stopping each group from getting near the other. Look again at the asian blokes video you can clearly see the MDL making their own way with no police leading them at all. It is an important point. Important because the police will often escort group even known football firms on their way to a ruckus at matches. What do you want them to do arrest everyone on one side ? It wasn't the Asian blokes who blocked the streets.
To call it an area full of women kids and families is weird too, it is a housing estate, what do you want to do? create Christian exclusion zones ;D
I don't see the police helping anyone that is just Tommy's victim narrative as his mates hurl bottles at some asian blokes who are just as bad as his mob.
How the funk is it "weird" to say a housing estate is full of women and kids? How do you know what the people in that community thought? The "Asian" bloke's footage revealed not everyone was supporting Robinson. He admitted it himself.
Do you not think people were coming outside to see what the jamboree was?
They were threatened and intimidated by a ranting and raving mob screaming and lobbing shit at them? Smashing their homes, cars and property? The "Asian" bloke's footage shows some gang members pleading with their army to stop attacking kids and smashing up people's homes.
It's clear the "Asian" blokes footage shows Police/CSO's leading the mob through the streets (they are on on both flanks).
How about don't encourage riots where INNOCENT people live. And that was nothing like what happens with football hooligans.
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Not quite what the Tommy media have told you or the MSM. Lads will be lads. Quite clearly you can see bottles coming from Tommies mob and the old bill trying to stop the MDL getting close to the EDL ;D
This video shows the police leading an angry mob screaming "allah akbar" into a "predominately white" area full of women, kids and families. The video even says Tommy chose the area to not cause any offence or trouble.
Imagine the outrage if it was reversed? Imagine that was an estate full of muslims? Imagine it was friday prayers when the streets get blocked? And police led a mob of angry motorists to attack them?
Boys will be boys but the police should be preventing mobs rucking in streets not helping them.
No it doesn't. Neither this video or the Tommy one shows the Police leading anyone anywhere. It shows them lining up and stopping each group from getting near the other. Look again at the asian blokes video you can clearly see the MDL making their own way with no police leading them at all. It is an important point. Important because the police will often escort group even known football firms on their way to a ruckus at matches. What do you want them to do arrest everyone on one side ? It wasn't the Asian blokes who blocked the streets.
To call it an area full of women kids and families is weird too, it is a housing estate, what do you want to do? create Christian exclusion zones ;D
I don't see the police helping anyone that is just Tommy's victim narrative as his mates hurl bottles at some asian blokes who are just as bad as his mob.
How the funk is it "weird" to say a housing estate is full of women and kids? How do you know what the people in that community thought? The "Asian" bloke's footage revealed
not everyone was supporting Robinson. He admitted it himself.
Do you not think people were coming outside to see what the jamboree was?
They were threatened and intimidated by a ranting and raving mob screaming and lobbing shit at them? Smashing their homes, cars and property? The "Asian" bloke's footage shows some gang members pleading with their army to stop attacking kids and smashing up people's homes.
It's clear the "Asian" blokes footage shows Police/CSO's leading the mob through the streets (they are on on both flanks).
How about don't encourage riots where INNOCENT people live. And that was nothing like what happens with football hooligans.
No it doesn't. Look again. The Police are already in a line there blocking them from proceeding. That is quite different from leading and protecting them.
It's weird to have a rally in a housing estate. Why do you think Tommy held it there? Do you really believe he did not know the other mob were on their way?
Even when Benjamin with UKIP turns up for days before hand all the local football firms talk quite openly on facebook on making sure that they turn up in numbers and they do.
Ask yourself who is encouraging riots ? Some bloke who was a BNP member and then names himself after a football hooligan and then starts something called the EDL and then turns up in areas miles form his manor with a large population of muslims wearing Stone Island gear or the Police?
It is amazing the knots people will tie themselves in to make Tommy into a victim and not a provocateur.
And frankly I don't really buy into your expertise with football hooligans or policing. It's not something I just plucked out of the air.
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Why are you like this, Beanz? You seem unable to process information. You have provided nothing to counter what actually happened.
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I was defending the people in that community not Tommy Robinson. The innocent victims attacked by a ranting and raving mob. The people you seem to have judged without knowing what their thoughts or feelings were?
Frankly i'm glad you didn't just pluck something out the air? Feel free to explain your expertise in hooliganism? Facebook meetings? And Policing?
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I was defending the people in that community not Tommy Robinson. The innocent victims attacked by a ranting and raving mob. The people you seem to have judged without knowing what their thoughts or feelings were?
Frankly i'm glad you didn't just pluck something out the air? Feel free to explain your expertise in hooliganism? Facebook meetings? And Policing?
I know you are not defending Robinson. It is his narrative that is full of shit and people are eager to buy it. Doesn't mean he never tells the truth. I am not attacking anyone just the idea that all the people on Robinsons side were innocent bystanders. There are a huge percentage there to kick off.
I am not an expert in hooliganism but I have known a few guys who part of that scene (thankfully ecstasy and the rave scene changed them) and been at matches home and away in the thick of it (not by design) when it kicks off. I then saw it from the other side reviewing evidence etc for the Prosecution and the Police will escort known thugs thru a city in order to deter trouble. Happens most weekends all over the country. Could not see them escorting anyone in either video though. I may be mistaken and have missed it but it seems Tommys defenders just made that bit up.
There is a reporter there at the beginning and Tommy has been urging his thugs to attack them for a while now. I would never bring my kids and grandkids to an event like that but Tommies mob did knowing what would happen. It is not just those in the estate.
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I was defending the people in that community not Tommy Robinson. The innocent victims attacked by a ranting and raving mob. The people you seem to have judged without knowing what their thoughts or feelings were?
Frankly i'm glad you didn't just pluck something out the air? Feel free to explain your expertise in hooliganism? Facebook meetings? And Policing?
I know you are not defending Robinson. It is his narrative that is full of shit and people are eager to buy it. Doesn't mean he never tells the truth. I am not attacking anyone just the idea that all the people on Robinsons side were innocent bystanders. There are a huge percentage there to kick off.
I am not an expert in hooliganism but I have known a few guys who part of that scene (thankfully ecstasy and the rave scene changed them) and been at matches home and away in the thick of it (not by design) when it kicks off. I then saw it from the other side reviewing evidence etc for the Prosecution and the Police will escort known thugs thru a city in order to deter trouble. Happens most weekends all over the country. Could not see them escorting anyone in either video though. I may be mistaken and have missed it but it seems Tommys defenders just made that bit up.
There is a reporter there at the beginning and Tommy has been urging his thugs to attack them for a while now. I would never bring my kids and grandkids to an event like that but Tommies mob did knowing what would happen. It is not just those in the estate.
You over heard Robinson telling his supporters to attack the public , or the press ?
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Fenster
I was defending the people in that community not Tommy Robinson. The innocent victims attacked by a ranting and raving mob. The people you seem to have judged without knowing what their thoughts or feelings were?
Frankly i'm glad you didn't just pluck something out the air? Feel free to explain your expertise in hooliganism? Facebook meetings? And Policing?
I know you are not defending Robinson. It is his narrative that is full of shit and people are eager to buy it. Doesn't mean he never tells the truth. I am not attacking anyone just the idea that all the people on Robinsons side were innocent bystanders. There are a huge percentage there to kick off.
I am not an expert in hooliganism but I have known a few guys who part of that scene (thankfully ecstasy and the rave scene changed them) and been at matches home and away in the thick of it (not by design) when it kicks off. I then saw it from the other side reviewing evidence etc for the Prosecution and the Police will escort known thugs thru a city in order to deter trouble. Happens most weekends all over the country. Could not see them escorting anyone in either video though. I may be mistaken and have missed it but it seems Tommys defenders just made that bit up.
There is a reporter there at the beginning and Tommy has been urging his thugs to attack them for a while now. I would never bring my kids and grandkids to an event like that but Tommies mob did knowing what would happen. It is not just those in the estate.
You over heard Robinson telling his supporters to attack the public , or the press ?
There is a video i posted of him earlier in the thread telling one of his supporters its fine to punch them in the head as long as no cameras are on. You can see him laying into the Asian lad as his goons hold him in another vid on this thread , he is not quite the statesman his followers and fans in America mistake him for.
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There is a video i posted of him earlier in the thread telling one of his supporters its fine to punch them in the head as long as no cameras are on. You can see him laying into the Asian lad as his goons hold him in another vid on this thread , he is not quite the statesman his followers and fans in America mistake him for.
I don't think he's a statesman at all, if he was he'd be busy selling out the British people like the refined elite Eton grads do.
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Beanz
There is a video i posted of him earlier in the thread telling one of his supporters its fine to punch them in the head as long as no cameras are on. You can see him laying into the Asian lad as his goons hold him in another vid on this thread , he is not quite the statesman his followers and fans in America mistake him for.
I don't think he's a statesman at all, if he was he'd be busy selling out the British people like the refined elite Eton grads do.
Boris will be next. The only reason he is favourite is because he has kept his mouth shut wait until he starts talking.
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Beanz
There is a video i posted of him earlier in the thread telling one of his supporters its fine to punch them in the head as long as no cameras are on. You can see him laying into the Asian lad as his goons hold him in another vid on this thread , he is not quite the statesman his followers and fans in America mistake him for.
I don't think he's a statesman at all, if he was he'd be busy selling out the British people like the refined elite Eton grads do.
Again you are so misinformed it almost makes it impossible to know where to start. I don't blame you, I think the American media, Mainstream or alternative has a lot to answer for.
The Eton graduates within the Tory party are the ones who engineered and designed the whole Brexit plan. There has always been a Eurosceptic element in the conservative party and it had got to the point where it was going to pull the party apart. Boris and Rees Mogg who both went to Eton were rivals of Cameron who also went there. Cameron called the referendum to try and settle that feud. Eton is a place where the real elites send for training their kids to still run what was the British Empire when they leave.
Eton graduates are found not just in the tory party but the city, the new Empire. The bankers and investors there are often from Eton and even those not from there, traders like Farage and investors like Stuart Wheeler and Duncan Carswell all public school boys are without a shadow of a doubt the puppet masters running the show. It was here they met Aaron Banks another key figure behind UKIP.
I am not going to fill in all the dots, look it up yourself. What you will find though is that not only Boris but Leadson and other front runners for PM went there and many BBC journalists. That is why Farrage and Boris etc are given an easy ride by the BBC who are not the lefty defenders you think they are.
It is Brexit itself that is selling out the Brits on a false promise. Those who planned it like those behind previous financial crashes have invested millions on the UK economy sinking. They will profit from the blood of the poor. It is literally designed to preserve the elite, not get rid of them. Preserve their ability to avoid paying tax and fill their bank accounts with the profits of Britain's ruin.
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.... I'm saying he's not your typical politician
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Beanz
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Fenster
I was defending the people in that community not Tommy Robinson. The innocent victims attacked by a ranting and raving mob. The people you seem to have judged without knowing what their thoughts or feelings were?
Frankly i'm glad you didn't just pluck something out the air? Feel free to explain your expertise in hooliganism? Facebook meetings? And Policing?
I know you are not defending Robinson. It is his narrative that is full of shit and people are eager to buy it. Doesn't mean he never tells the truth. I am not attacking anyone just the idea that all the people on Robinsons side were innocent bystanders. There are a huge percentage there to kick off.
I am not an expert in hooliganism but I have known a few guys who part of that scene (thankfully ecstasy and the rave scene changed them) and been at matches home and away in the thick of it (not by design) when it kicks off. I then saw it from the other side reviewing evidence etc for the Prosecution and the Police will escort known thugs thru a city in order to deter trouble. Happens most weekends all over the country. Could not see them escorting anyone in either video though. I may be mistaken and have missed it but it seems Tommys defenders just made that bit up.
There is a reporter there at the beginning and Tommy has been urging his thugs to attack them for a while now. I would never bring my kids and grandkids to an event like that but Tommies mob did knowing what would happen. It is not just those in the estate.
I never said everyone with Robinson was innocent, clearly many of his supporters reveled in it and enjoyed themselves.
However, the only person "making things up" to suit a narrative is you. No, sorry, maybe you truly believe the muslim mob had every right to violently attack that community? Or you truly believe all the people in that area were prepared and ready for the "planned" attack.
The point is the trouble was started by a mob TRAVELLING to an area they didn't live, facilitated by the police. It wasn't a barren industrial estate it was peoples homes. But it doesn't matter as being poor white people they are all evil, nasty racist Robinson supporters.
As you've just proved through your "experience" in hooliganism - Police will escort known thugs thru a city in order to deter trouble. Exactly! The police prevent mass punchups not encourage them. That is exactly the same as my own experience of football matches.
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Beanz
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
I was defending the people in that community not Tommy Robinson. The innocent victims attacked by a ranting and raving mob. The people you seem to have judged without knowing what their thoughts or feelings were?
Frankly i'm glad you didn't just pluck something out the air? Feel free to explain your expertise in hooliganism? Facebook meetings? And Policing?
I know you are not defending Robinson. It is his narrative that is full of shit and people are eager to buy it. Doesn't mean he never tells the truth. I am not attacking anyone just the idea that all the people on Robinsons side were innocent bystanders. There are a huge percentage there to kick off.
I am not an expert in hooliganism but I have known a few guys who part of that scene (thankfully ecstasy and the rave scene changed them) and been at matches home and away in the thick of it (not by design) when it kicks off. I then saw it from the other side reviewing evidence etc for the Prosecution and the Police will escort known thugs thru a city in order to deter trouble. Happens most weekends all over the country. Could not see them escorting anyone in either video though. I may be mistaken and have missed it but it seems Tommys defenders just made that bit up.
There is a reporter there at the beginning and Tommy has been urging his thugs to attack them for a while now. I would never bring my kids and grandkids to an event like that but Tommies mob did knowing what would happen. It is not just those in the estate.
I never said everyone with Robinson was innocent, clearly many of his supporters reveled in it and enjoyed themselves.
However, the only person "making things up" to suit a narrative is you. No, sorry, maybe you truly believe the muslim mob had every right to violently attack that community? Or you truly believe all the people in that area were prepared and ready for the "planned" attack.
The point is the trouble was started by a mob TRAVELLING to an area they didn't
live, facilitated by the police. It wasn't a barren industrial estate it was peoples
homes. But it doesn't matter as being poor white people they are all evil, nasty racist Robinson supporters.
As you've just proved through your "experience" in hooliganism -
Police will escort known thugs thru a city in order to deter trouble. Exactly! The police prevent mass punchups not encourage them. That is exactly the same as my own experience of football matches.
Where did i say it was OK for anyone to attack anyone? Where did I say all Robinson supporters where evil nasty and racist let alone all the white people on the estate? Why would I say something like that? :-\
Where is this footage of the Police escorting the Asian mob to Tommies love in ?
Not just that but apparently you are now suggesting that the Police are also responsible for encouraging and facilitating the violence.
Please do not assume that I use the same broad brush bullshit Robinsons defenders have for several years now with their campaign of lies here on the forum. You have now started inventing a position for me to inhabit in order to destroy an argument i have never made. To be quite frank the anti-white thing is not a good look for anyone using it to avoid discussing the uncomfortable truth.
I am not the one starting hundreds of threads claiming Asians, black people, non-christians, gays, the disabled or any other minority group are being victimized so the fact that anyone gets the idea I am anti-white or anti-working class etc is purely down down to a concerted effort by others who seem to have little to no experience of working class white culture, who spend their time being condescending pricks to the very group they claim to be defending.
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.... I'm saying he's not your typical politician
No he is a foot soldier for the same deep state Zionists that seek to keep the middle east at war and personally profit from the demise of Great Britain in a vain attempt to preserve and resurrect the Empire.
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El Kabong
.... I'm saying he's not your typical politician
No he is a foot soldier for the same deep state Zionists that seek to keep the middle east at war and personally profit from the demise of Great Britain in a vain attempt to preserve and resurrect the Empire.
So he's simultaneously trying to preserve and resurrect the Empire AND personally profiting from it's demise?
That's special.
Think what you want of him. The fact is he wouldn't have any following at all if A) Concern for the direction of the nation wasn't an issue and B ) people didn't feel like they were being sold out and the ENEMY (see Al Qaeda, ISIS, & grooming gangs all of whom are special and different) was being handed the keys to the country.
You don't help your side of the argument by denying the shady shit the government has done/is doing. There are people who like and follow Tommy not because of his past but because of their own personal experiences and they aren't all hate filled racists or fascists or ultra-nationalists. But that's my view of things so take it or leave it.
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El Kabong
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Beanz
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
.... I'm saying he's not your typical politician
No he is a foot soldier for the same deep state Zionists that seek to keep the middle east at war and personally profit from the demise of Great Britain in a vain attempt to preserve and resurrect the Empire.
So he's simultaneously trying to preserve and resurrect the Empire AND personally profiting from it's demise?
That's special.
Think what you want of him. The fact is he wouldn't have any following at all if A) Concern for the direction of the nation wasn't an issue and B ) people didn't feel like they were being sold out and the ENEMY (see Al Qaeda, ISIS, & grooming gangs all of whom are special and different) was being handed the keys to the country.
You don't help your side of the argument by denying the shady shit the government has done/is doing. There are people who like and follow Tommy not because of his past but because of their own personal experiences and they aren't all hate filled racists or fascists or ultra-nationalists. But that's my view of things so take it or leave it.
I have not asked either you or anyone else to repeatedly answer long sets of numbered questions like you are on trial. I have been way more accommodating than either of you in indulging you both and have pointed you towards facts and evidence you continually choose to ignore. You are both clinging to a set script and repeating with astonishing naivety the same old rhetoric in the face of overwhelming evidence that you obviously have an agenda that cares little for facts, democracy or the views and rights of British people.
A) Concern for the direction of the nation is not something that an American and an expat in South Korea are in a position to dictate to British people in an attempt to synergise your own very specialist concerns with projections onto a country whose problems are not yours. There is just as much, if not more concern in the country being pointed toward an American model of huge disparity between the working man and the super rich personified in a President as privileged and stupid as those who seek to lead Britain into the shadow of your corporate republic. A republic headed by a corrupt, bent , narcissist who like May and the Tories is more interested and in love with the trappings of power and the sound of his own voice than the privilege of leading a country and making ordinary people's lives better. You don't want to hear it because you quite clearly are more interested in political point scoring and buying into the same neo liberal whitewash that allows people at the top to stay at the top, all for the worship of the individual and money. Celebrity culture which Tommy and Carl and PJW , Farrage, Boris and Trump etc are all figureheads of.
B) If you seek out evil you will find it everywhere. You and I are both from countries that not only helped create and fund Isis (The USA along with the UK) by supporting and continuing to support Wahhabism and prop up and arm the Saudis, but have also abandoned the brave men and mostly women who defeated ISIS. Of course you would like to continue a narrative that buries this inconvenient fact and pretends that those supporting these wars and their part in maintaining and sustaining the profit margins of the UK and USA with the blood of innocents, are the real victims. But we both know that is not true.
Mossad supporting Tommy is not a victim. Tommy supported by The Middle East Forum etc is not a victim. When the victims he uses, actual victims of rape , violence and abuse want nothing to do with him it might be time to stop pretending he is the victim.
And don't you ever,even for one second ever pretend that I have pretended that politicians in and out of Government are incapable of 'shady shit' . Not when every day you maintain the charade of Trump being a shining example of transparency, honesty and morals. Why would I ever defend a Tory government or the New Labour one that preceded it? That is you and Gandalf and all you and you investment and Hyper Capitalists Neo Liberal crew. It has fuck all to do with me. And stop pretending that you would ever allow anyone to have another opinion of Robinson when you are part of a movement here that has repeatedly lied about him for years now i order to create a fantasy.
Read the Amazon reviews of the book
Blood in the Streets: Investment Profits in a World gone Mad.
Written by Rees Mogg's Father and you will see why Jacob and Nigel and Banks and Trump and Wheeler and Rebel Media and The Middle east Forum and ALex Jones and Bannon and Tommy are all on the same side. A side that seeks to destroy lives and countries for personal profits . So save the moralising and the pretense that any of these people give a shit about British or American workers let alone Free Speech.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blood-Stree.../dp/067162735X
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I cannot help but accuse you of having something wrong with you, Beanz. In that extremely long winded post likely to be read by perhaps 8 different people in the world which you clearly put some time into you cannot help but lie about and reference me in a post that has nothing to do with me. Do I mention Master in every single post I make to you? Do you not realize how dotty that is?
Just because you are a Marxist, open borders, taker of resources rather than provider of them, does not make everybody else a neo liberal. Tommy Robinson is more of an Englishman than you for a start because he puts his people above some bloody super state. You might call yourself a European as a Pole might have proudly called himself a Soviet (weirdly of course). However, the rest of us no matter where we are are English. You of course are proud of all these non English roots and appear to be from all over the place.
If you want to be European then kindly fuck off to Romania or wherever and enjoy the goodlife. Nobody is stopping you. You like community, then leave your sanctuary retreat and talk to the people, you all speak European of course. Enjoy.
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Yes, I accuse you of defending Tories all the time. You do realize that it is the ever reasonable and lucid you who constantly accuses me of being a Tory and more than once compared me to Rees Mogg whose father we should all read the 'reviews' of a book? But as you were. I have no recollection of ever comparing you to or calling you a Tory. If you are going to reference someone it should at least have some connection with reality.
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I cannot help but accuse you of having something wrong with you, Beanz. In that extremely long winded post likely to be read by perhaps 8 different people in the world which you clearly put some time into you cannot help but lie about and reference me in a post that has nothing to do with me. Do I mention Master in every single post I make to you? Do you not realize how dotty that is?
Just because you are a Marxist, open borders, taker of resources rather than provider of them, does not make everybody else a neo liberal. Tommy Robinson is more of an Englishman than you for a start because he puts his people above some bloody super state. You might call yourself a European as a Pole might have proudly called himself a Soviet (weirdly of course). However, the rest of us no matter where we are are English. You of course are proud of all these non English roots and appear to be from all over the place.
If you want to be European then kindly fuck off to Romania or wherever and enjoy the goodlife. Nobody is stopping you. You like community, then leave your sanctuary retreat and talk to the people, you all speak European of course. Enjoy.
Well at least you are admitting to being the racist bigot you have always been. I am English. I was born here, as were both my parents and I have never suggested being anything else. Not only that I live and work here whereas you have done nothing but diss Britain since the first day I joined the forum. It is not for you and the rest of the traitorous expats who seek to profit from the demise of Britain to define what being British or English means. Yaxley-Lennon puts himself above everyone and does not give a shit about Britain or the English.
Taker of resources? Provider of them?
You are ashamed to put the flag on your profile let alone fly it in real life and could not be bothered to get up and watch England play on the TV ffs. You look down your nose at most Brits here. Those with families you sniff at, and you spend the rest of the time slagging off single mothers, disabled athletes, teachers, the Police, Civil servants, etc.
And now you are demanding I leave Britain? ;D
All because you do not even believe in the idea of community or the very people you claim to be defending all the way over there in one of the most repressive, conservative, shallow vacuous, homogenized, misogynistic, racist countries on earth ;D A country with it's head in the sand when it is not at the local cosmetic surgeon getting it's nose redone :-X:-\:p:o;D
We don't all run away mate. Some of us dig deep and support our families here in good ole Blighty despite all it's faults. Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your own life.
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Beanz
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Gandalf
I cannot help but accuse you of having something wrong with you, Beanz. In that extremely long winded post likely to be read by perhaps 8 different people in the world which you clearly put some time into you cannot help but lie about and reference me in a post that has nothing to do with me. Do I mention Master in every single post I make to you? Do you not realize how dotty that is?
Just because you are a Marxist, open borders, taker of resources rather than provider of them, does not make everybody else a neo liberal. Tommy Robinson is more of an Englishman than you for a start because he puts his people above some bloody super state. You might call yourself a European as a Pole might have proudly called himself a Soviet (weirdly of course). However, the rest of us no matter where we are are English. You of course are proud of all these non English roots and appear to be from all over the place.
If you want to be European then kindly fuck off to Romania or wherever and enjoy the goodlife. Nobody is stopping you. You like community, then leave your sanctuary retreat and talk to the people, you all speak European of course. Enjoy.
Well at least you are admitting to being the racist bigot you have always been. I am English. I was born here, as were both my parents and I have never suggested being anything else. Not only that I live and work here whereas you have done nothing but diss Britain since the first day I joined the forum. It is not for you and the rest of the traitorous expats who seek to profit from the demise of Britain to define what being British or English means. Yaxley-Lennon puts himself above everyone and does not give a shit about Britain or the English.
Taker of resources? Provider of them?
You are ashamed to put the flag on your profile let alone fly it in real life and could not be bothered to get up and watch England play on the TV ffs. You look down your nose at most Brits here. Those with families you sniff at, and you spend the rest of the time slagging off single mothers, disabled athletes, teachers, the Police, Civil servants, etc.
And now you are demanding I leave Britain? ;D
All because you do not even believe in the idea of community or the very people you claim to be defending all the way over there in one of the most repressive, conservative, shallow vacuous, homogenized, misogynistic, racist countries on earth ;D A country with it's head in the sand when it is not at the local cosmetic surgeon getting it's nose redone :-X:-\:p:o;D
We don't all run away mate. Some of us dig deep and support our families here in good ole Blighty despite all it's faults. Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your own life.
Says the guy who looks down at Americans.
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Beanz
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Gandalf
I cannot help but accuse you of having something wrong with you, Beanz. In that extremely long winded post likely to be read by perhaps 8 different people in the world which you clearly put some time into you cannot help but lie about and reference me in a post that has nothing to do with me. Do I mention Master in every single post I make to you? Do you not realize how dotty that is?
Just because you are a Marxist, open borders, taker of resources rather than provider of them, does not make everybody else a neo liberal. Tommy Robinson is more of an Englishman than you for a start because he puts his people above some bloody super state. You might call yourself a European as a Pole might have proudly called himself a Soviet (weirdly of course). However, the rest of us no matter where we are are English. You of course are proud of all these non English roots and appear to be from all over the place.
If you want to be European then kindly fuck off to Romania or wherever and enjoy the goodlife. Nobody is stopping you. You like community, then leave your sanctuary retreat and talk to the people, you all speak European of course. Enjoy.
Well at least you are admitting to being the racist bigot you have always been. I am English. I was born here, as were both my parents and I have never suggested being anything else. Not only that I live and work here whereas you have done nothing but diss Britain since the first day I joined the forum. It is not for you and the rest of the traitorous expats who seek to profit from the demise of Britain to define what being British or English means. Yaxley-Lennon puts himself above everyone and does not give a shit about Britain or the English.
Taker of resources? Provider of them?
You are ashamed to put the flag on your profile let alone fly it in real life and could not be bothered to get up and watch England play on the TV ffs. You look down your nose at most Brits here. Those with families you sniff at, and you spend the rest of the time slagging off single mothers, disabled athletes, teachers, the Police, Civil servants, etc.
And now you are demanding I leave Britain? ;D
All because you do not even believe in the idea of community or the very people you claim to be defending all the way over there in one of the most repressive, conservative, shallow vacuous, homogenized, misogynistic, racist countries on earth ;D A country with it's head in the sand when it is not at the local cosmetic surgeon getting it's nose redone :-X:-\:p:o;D
We don't all run away mate. Some of us dig deep and support our families here in good ole Blighty despite all it's faults. Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your own life.
Says the guy who looks down at Americans.
Is this you claiming Miles as an American? ;D Have him.
And I don't look down on Americans. Just the fuckers trying to turn Britain into the 51st state. Keep your silver.
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Beanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I cannot help but accuse you of having something wrong with you, Beanz. In that extremely long winded post likely to be read by perhaps 8 different people in the world which you clearly put some time into you cannot help but lie about and reference me in a post that has nothing to do with me. Do I mention Master in every single post I make to you? Do you not realize how dotty that is?
Just because you are a Marxist, open borders, taker of resources rather than provider of them, does not make everybody else a neo liberal. Tommy Robinson is more of an Englishman than you for a start because he puts his people above some bloody super state. You might call yourself a European as a Pole might have proudly called himself a Soviet (weirdly of course). However, the rest of us no matter where we are are English. You of course are proud of all these non English roots and appear to be from all over the place.
If you want to be European then kindly fuck off to Romania or wherever and enjoy the goodlife. Nobody is stopping you. You like community, then leave your sanctuary retreat and talk to the people, you all speak European of course. Enjoy.
Well at least you are admitting to being the racist bigot you have always been. I am English. I was born here, as were both my parents and I have never suggested being anything else. Not only that I live and work here whereas you have done nothing but diss Britain since the first day I joined the forum. It is not for you and the rest of the traitorous expats who seek to profit from the demise of Britain to define what being British or English means. Yaxley-Lennon puts himself above everyone and does not give a shit about Britain or the English.
Taker of resources? Provider of them?
You are ashamed to put the flag on your profile let alone fly it in real life and could not be bothered to get up and watch England play on the TV ffs. You look down your nose at most Brits here. Those with families you sniff at, and you spend the rest of the time slagging off single mothers, disabled athletes, teachers, the Police, Civil servants, etc.
And now you are demanding I leave Britain? ;D
All because you do not even believe in the idea of community or the very people you claim to be defending all the way over there in one of the most repressive, conservative, shallow vacuous, homogenized, misogynistic, racist countries on earth ;D A country with it's head in the sand when it is not at the local cosmetic surgeon getting it's nose redone :-X:-\:p:o;D
We don't all run away mate. Some of us dig deep and support our families here in good ole Blighty despite all it's faults. Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your own life.
Nope, I have not admitted to being a racist bigot, but I guess I can add that to Tory and which you will no doubt inversely accuse me of calling you in the near future as that is how your warped brain operates.
You don't half talk a lot of crap and it is because you have far too much time on your hands. If you would actually go to work and put in regular hours like anyone else you wouldn't be such a menace to the Internet. Diss Britain? Yes, I have dissed illegal wars, banking bailouts, Tony Blair, Cameron, the promotion of single mother life, benefits scroungers, the works. Are you proud of those things?
Now I am profiting from the 'destruction of Britain'? Obviously. I will define British however I like and you can call yourself European as much as you like, but go on over to Romania and see how far it takes you. Go on man of the world who has spent a whopping 6 months in Milan! Check it out! ;D
Oh, so you not only lie about people, but you read their minds too. Glad to know what Tommy Robinson thinks as interpreted by the very sane Beanz of the Shire. I know I have seen you do it to me too and you are typically way off base as you CANNOT READ PEOPLE.
Get real, watching football is cosmetic and 4am in the morning is unreasonable and stupid. Though those are the hours you do sometimes keep. A real sign of patriotism is not wanting to be part of a super state that determines your own laws and sucks out your resources. I have not demanded you leave, but suggested you give it a try if Europe is so great. Or how about closer to home and Brussels which I hear on the ground is working out really well. I mean you do after all live in a 96% white hideaway in a very small provincial town, yet still end up with guns in your face and wife being stabbed. What company do you keep exactly? Weird.
Nope, you lie about all those things by exaggerating to the Nth degree and it is because you cannot help yourself. That has been determined already. So yes, there are bad government workers and there are irresponsible people. Is that sneering or is it just reality? You favor a culture that endorses such things. That is not moral or indeed patriotic.
You are now judging a place you have never even lived in and accuse me of being bigoted? ;) But as we know you usually make things up thus your opinion is worth very little. You are triggered. A country that determines its own rules and promotes good family values is inevitably not to your liking. I would love for you to explain how this place is misogynistic and racist. After all, women start in the workforce two years earlier than men due to no military service and perform better at University. My wife would laugh at you if you tried to say these things. What held you back? Nothing held her back. Or even me. If it was racist, then how come I have never been attacked or insulted and find work so easily. See, you make it up.
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Yes, I accuse you of defending Tories all the time. You do realize that it is the ever reasonable and lucid you who constantly accuses me of being a Tory and more than once compared me to Rees Mogg whose father we should all read the 'reviews' of a book? But as you were. I have no recollection of ever comparing you to or calling you a Tory. If you are going to reference someone it should at least have some connection with reality.
Brexit is all about saving the tory party and maintaining Eton privelege. You have repeatedly defended Rees-Mogg one of the key hardliners pushing for the Victorian England you pine for. Where women knew their place, and the poor were put into workhouses. You have several pensions and then accuse civil servants of being on the gravy train. My 10yrs+ civil service pension is worth £6.47 a year ...;D
Meanwhile you are buying Gold stocks and regaling us all with tales of the breadline and having to get on a bus with us commoners.
I don't have to make anything up you sold out years ago and you see Tommy as your last chance to pretend you give a shit about England.
Virtue signalling fake patriotism from a greedy bastard.... and Rees Mogg is not much better.
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walrus
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Gandalf
I cannot help but accuse you of having something wrong with you, Beanz. In that extremely long winded post likely to be read by perhaps 8 different people in the world which you clearly put some time into you cannot help but lie about and reference me in a post that has nothing to do with me. Do I mention Master in every single post I make to you? Do you not realize how dotty that is?
Just because you are a Marxist, open borders, taker of resources rather than provider of them, does not make everybody else a neo liberal. Tommy Robinson is more of an Englishman than you for a start because he puts his people above some bloody super state. You might call yourself a European as a Pole might have proudly called himself a Soviet (weirdly of course). However, the rest of us no matter where we are are English. You of course are proud of all these non English roots and appear to be from all over the place.
If you want to be European then kindly fuck off to Romania or wherever and enjoy the goodlife. Nobody is stopping you. You like community, then leave your sanctuary retreat and talk to the people, you all speak European of course. Enjoy.
Well at least you are admitting to being the racist bigot you have always been. I am English. I was born here, as were both my parents and I have never suggested being anything else. Not only that I live and work here whereas you have done nothing but diss Britain since the first day I joined the forum. It is not for you and the rest of the traitorous expats who seek to profit from the demise of Britain to define what being British or English means. Yaxley-Lennon puts himself above everyone and does not give a shit about Britain or the English.
Taker of resources? Provider of them?
You are ashamed to put the flag on your profile let alone fly it in real life and could not be bothered to get up and watch England play on the TV ffs. You look down your nose at most Brits here. Those with families you sniff at, and you spend the rest of the time slagging off single mothers, disabled athletes, teachers, the Police, Civil servants, etc.
And now you are demanding I leave Britain? ;D
All because you do not even believe in the idea of community or the very people you claim to be defending all the way over there in one of the most repressive, conservative, shallow vacuous, homogenized, misogynistic, racist countries on earth ;D A country with it's head in the sand when it is not at the local cosmetic surgeon getting it's nose redone :-X:-\:p:o;D
We don't all run away mate. Some of us dig deep and support our families here in good ole Blighty despite all it's faults. Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your own life.
Says the guy who looks down at Americans.
Is this you claiming Miles as an American? ;D Have him.
And I don't look down on Americans. Just the fuckers trying to turn Britain into the 51st state. Keep your silver.
Nah that’s Mexico. You guys can keep your whatever it is
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Beanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Yes, I accuse you of defending Tories all the time. You do realize that it is the ever reasonable and lucid you who constantly accuses me of being a Tory and more than once compared me to Rees Mogg whose father we should all read the 'reviews' of a book? But as you were. I have no recollection of ever comparing you to or calling you a Tory. If you are going to reference someone it should at least have some connection with reality.
Brexit is all about saving the tory party and maintaining Eton privelege. You have repeatedly defended Rees-Mogg one of the key hardliners pushing for the Victorian England you pine for. Where women knew their place, and the poor were put into workhouses. You have several pensions and then accuse civil servants of being on the gravy train. My 10yrs+ civil service pension is worth £6.47 a year ...;D
Meanwhile you are buying Gold stocks and regaling us all with tales of the breadline and having to get on a bus with us commoners.
I don't have to make anything up you sold out years ago and you see Tommy as your last chance to pretend you give a shit about England.
Virtue signalling fake patriotism from a greedy bastard.... and Rees Mogg is not much better.
Gold stocks. Nah you should buy physical gold.
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walrus
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Beanz
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I cannot help but accuse you of having something wrong with you, Beanz. In that extremely long winded post likely to be read by perhaps 8 different people in the world which you clearly put some time into you cannot help but lie about and reference me in a post that has nothing to do with me. Do I mention Master in every single post I make to you? Do you not realize how dotty that is?
Just because you are a Marxist, open borders, taker of resources rather than provider of them, does not make everybody else a neo liberal. Tommy Robinson is more of an Englishman than you for a start because he puts his people above some bloody super state. You might call yourself a European as a Pole might have proudly called himself a Soviet (weirdly of course). However, the rest of us no matter where we are are English. You of course are proud of all these non English roots and appear to be from all over the place.
If you want to be European then kindly fuck off to Romania or wherever and enjoy the goodlife. Nobody is stopping you. You like community, then leave your sanctuary retreat and talk to the people, you all speak European of course. Enjoy.
Well at least you are admitting to being the racist bigot you have always been. I am English. I was born here, as were both my parents and I have never suggested being anything else. Not only that I live and work here whereas you have done nothing but diss Britain since the first day I joined the forum. It is not for you and the rest of the traitorous expats who seek to profit from the demise of Britain to define what being British or English means. Yaxley-Lennon puts himself above everyone and does not give a shit about Britain or the English.
Taker of resources? Provider of them?
You are ashamed to put the flag on your profile let alone fly it in real life and could not be bothered to get up and watch England play on the TV ffs. You look down your nose at most Brits here. Those with families you sniff at, and you spend the rest of the time slagging off single mothers, disabled athletes, teachers, the Police, Civil servants, etc.
And now you are demanding I leave Britain? ;D
All because you do not even believe in the idea of community or the very people you claim to be defending all the way over there in one of the most repressive, conservative, shallow vacuous, homogenized, misogynistic, racist countries on earth ;D A country with it's head in the sand when it is not at the local cosmetic surgeon getting it's nose redone :-X:-\:p:o;D
We don't all run away mate. Some of us dig deep and support our families here in good ole Blighty despite all it's faults. Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your own life.
Says the guy who looks down at Americans.
Is this you claiming Miles as an American? ;D Have him.
And I don't look down on Americans. Just the fuckers trying to turn Britain into the 51st state. Keep your silver.
Nah that’s Mexico. You guys can keep your whatever it is
Mexico are claiming Miles as an American?
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walrus
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Yes, I accuse you of defending Tories all the time. You do realize that it is the ever reasonable and lucid you who constantly accuses me of being a Tory and more than once compared me to Rees Mogg whose father we should all read the 'reviews' of a book? But as you were. I have no recollection of ever comparing you to or calling you a Tory. If you are going to reference someone it should at least have some connection with reality.
Brexit is all about saving the tory party and maintaining Eton privelege. You have repeatedly defended Rees-Mogg one of the key hardliners pushing for the Victorian England you pine for. Where women knew their place, and the poor were put into workhouses. You have several pensions and then accuse civil servants of being on the gravy train. My 10yrs+ civil service pension is worth £6.47 a year ...;D
Meanwhile you are buying Gold stocks and regaling us all with tales of the breadline and having to get on a bus with us commoners.
I don't have to make anything up you sold out years ago and you see Tommy as your last chance to pretend you give a shit about England.
Virtue signalling fake patriotism from a greedy bastard.... and Rees Mogg is not much better.
Gold stocks. Nah you should buy physical gold.
It never goes up regardless. Bitcoin is coming back. Seemingly. I just want a big crash because.....I hate the world! :D
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Re: Corbyn attacker get 28 days in prison, Robinson attacked and police do nothing.
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Yes, I accuse you of defending Tories all the time. You do realize that it is the ever reasonable and lucid you who constantly accuses me of being a Tory and more than once compared me to Rees Mogg whose father we should all read the 'reviews' of a book? But as you were. I have no recollection of ever comparing you to or calling you a Tory. If you are going to reference someone it should at least have some connection with reality.
Brexit is all about saving the tory party and maintaining Eton privelege. You have repeatedly defended Rees-Mogg one of the key hardliners pushing for the Victorian England you pine for. Where women knew their place, and the poor were put into workhouses. You have several pensions and then accuse civil servants of being on the gravy train. My 10yrs+ civil service pension is worth £6.47 a year ...;D
Meanwhile you are buying Gold stocks and regaling us all with tales of the breadline and having to get on a bus with us commoners.
I don't have to make anything up you sold out years ago and you see Tommy as your last chance to pretend you give a shit about England.
Virtue signalling fake patriotism from a greedy bastard.... and Rees Mogg is not much better.
In your opinion.
At the end of the day self the UK as a sovereign state is something you appear to be against, so it is clearly you with a problem. Do I really suggest women know their place? Do I really suggest work houses? Thanks for letting me know, I will keep that in mind next time. I would probably just cut the benefits rather than make them work as I know getting out of bed is not easy for some.
Yes, I have several pensions, one in the UK, one here, and a private one and thus no actual pension despite many years accrued. Interesting how that works, eh? This makes me understand self responsibility and thus I am careful and unlike Mogg who seems a bit like your Dad with the breeding, control how I live. Of course that is one reason why you are so pro Europe as you seem to have a family member in every country there.
You are all over the place with your final points. Should one not invest in a variety of things? How is it different to a single Mum who has 9 babies to get government funds until it was finally capped. You don't criticize that saying it is me sneering, yet you criticize actual self responsibility? The irony. Don't you own property? How selfish? Why don't you just give your home to the poor after all they come from harsher places than you. Come on now, don't be a hypocrite. Unlock that door, droopy pants. Brock wants a room. Follow the words of Jesus, after all you claim to read the religious books. I don't. I don't see you berating genuinely wealthy people like X or Kirkland or Walrus. They likely pay more in taxes than you earn in a century judging by your pension. Come on, call them all out money hater.
Oh, and so in my student days I was not allowed to be poor either? And being a mature adult invalidates my childhood experiences too? Good to know. Still, at least I am not earning 25 pounds a week and have so much time I can be a real 'community' man. You are pathetic and sneering yourself. You seem to be resentful, Mr Marx. Cheer up and have a fag, of the homosexual kind obviously as I am open minded and not into cancer promotion. But rubber up as I am not into Syphilis either, which is funny because you post like someone in the last stages of Syphilis. :D
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Yes, I accuse you of defending Tories all the time. You do realize that it is the ever reasonable and lucid you who constantly accuses me of being a Tory and more than once compared me to Rees Mogg whose father we should all read the 'reviews' of a book? But as you were. I have no recollection of ever comparing you to or calling you a Tory. If you are going to reference someone it should at least have some connection with reality.
Brexit is all about saving the tory party and maintaining Eton privelege. You have repeatedly defended Rees-Mogg one of the key hardliners pushing for the Victorian England you pine for. Where women knew their place, and the poor were put into workhouses. You have several pensions and then accuse civil servants of being on the gravy train. My 10yrs+ civil service pension is worth £6.47 a year ...;D
Meanwhile you are buying Gold stocks and regaling us all with tales of the breadline and having to get on a bus with us commoners.
I don't have to make anything up you sold out years ago and you see Tommy as your last chance to pretend you give a shit about England.
Virtue signalling fake patriotism from a greedy bastard.... and Rees Mogg is not much better.
Gold stocks. Nah you should buy physical gold.
It never goes up regardless. Bitcoin is coming back. Seemingly. I just want a big crash because.....I hate the world! :D
https://www.rt.com/uk/418116-brexit-rees-mogg-money/
