My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.
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My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.
So you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSo you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Leaders were a distant second.
Dia for years was hating on Corbyn and initially it was because of the leftist leanings. He wanted something more moderate akin to the Blair years. Personally I hated Blair and that is where me and him disagreed strongly. For me Blair represents everything wrong with Britain today. We both overlap on the EU and immigration. Al has his own reasons and I have never really discussed it with him in a back and forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSo you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Leaders were a distant second.
The EU is of course something most working people are against. It is mainly young students, arty types and the London bubble that are into it. To ignore the 52% was just silly and Tony Benn is up there saying 'You prat Jeremy'. Probably silent on his son.
I think it was Corbyn also, people really are resistant to real change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSo you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Leaders were a distant second.
Astonished though to wake up in a country in which people feel so disenfranchised that they are willing to vote for a party and leader who openly talked about them with such derision, will make them poorer, and in fact kill many of them through neglect, will continue to sell off the country to foreign interests and fuck the country over for our kids and grandkids.
Gandalf has made it abundantly clear he can very clearly be bought ( and speaks about people in the very same derogatory way as Johsnson), but you would have hoped that others could see past the lies and would reject Boris and the Billionaires club who despise them.
The left the right both extreme mate Brexit was the main issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDia for years was hating on Corbyn and initially it was because of the leftist leanings. He wanted something more moderate akin to the Blair years. Personally I hated Blair and that is where me and him disagreed strongly. For me Blair represents everything wrong with Britain today. We both overlap on the EU and immigration. Al has his own reasons and I have never really discussed it with him in a back and forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSo you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Leaders were a distant second.
The EU is of course something most working people are against. It is mainly young students, arty types and the London bubble that are into it. To ignore the 52% was just silly and Tony Benn is up there saying 'You prat Jeremy'. Probably silent on his son.
Both seats in Wrexham are now Tory I was talking to Labour voters who now voted Tory why Brexit the stupidity of Labour wanting to remain ass holes really.!
All of Wrexham voted for Brexit what did both MPs wanted remain both Labour both loss there seats ass holes.
The I know better than you attitude bit them on the ass I have never liked Corbyn and many Labour supporters felt the same way guy is a skid mark a total waste of fucking space.
Corbyn surrounded himself with some of the thickest idiots on earth Abbott etc the damage has been done it will take years for Labour to recover if it ever will.!
I've heard lots of people this morning (on radio) say what Batman said in this thread - they could never vote for Corbyn, even though they're Labour supporters, because of his connection with the IRA after the bombings, and it's especially a common feeling in Birmingham.
And Jewish people continually bring up the anti-semitism, they've been living in fear that he gets elected. (did you know Jews keep their bags packed for fear of having to flee? Mental.)
The British did not vote for that and if it were to happen you have the right to resist any way you like. I have no desire to see it privatized, but would like to see borders controlled and for people to live more healthily thus easing the burden. It is very well funded and the poor benefit the most from it. It is fair that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Of course nobody should wait hours after a heart attack, but if it is full, it is full. Migration is not the cash bonanza people have been lied to about and it does place a strain on everything. If you care about your family you want less coming in and a more effective system for British people. Make foreigners pay, but of course the money is seldom collected and many cannot afford it.
I disagree with you about Corbyn being too radical. A lot of it really is what Labour did under Blair and the Brexit pledge betrayal. People do not trust Corbyn because of the Brexit flip and he knows he hasn't been true to himself there. No way was he bigging up the EU over tea with Tony Benn. He politicked and it went wrong. Labour reduced the gap so people were listening before. Something happened and it was Brexit. Plus Fenster is right about that IRA stuff, but I personally do not have issues with that.
And I have not sold out to anyone. All I want is what is good for Britain and its interests. I do not gain anything and wish no harm.
Beanz the issue was Brexit clearly Corbyns short fall was he and his followers ignored a democratic vote for Brexit.
The election was about Brexit 3 years in limbo hardened Labour supporters voted Tory. Corbyn has been a disastrous leader hated by many Labour MPs and Labour voters alike.!
Borris is a bloody clown and old Jeremy could not beat him ! Blair would have wiped the floor with Cameron May and Johnson simple enough mate.
Politics is a dirty business I have lost faith in politicians of all parties Labour have themselves to blame in not listening to there voters poor leadership poor policy's .!
In 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Tony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Read my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
Oh dear......oh d-d-d-dear dear
Britain needs its own Mueller report on Russian ‘interference’
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...an-media-uk-us
Well that's scary, let's take a look see at the author aaaaaaaaand.....
GLENN R. SIMPSON
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_R._Simpson
Glenn Richard Simpson (born April 22, 1964) is an American former journalist who worked for The Wall Street Journal until 2009, and then co-founded the Washington-based research business Fusion GPS.
What are the odds? ;D Thoughts anyone?
Well the country voted and here we are.
Lets move forward, democracy has spoken loud and clear.
For the record i am pretty happy Corbyn and Abbott didnt get in.
We all have our views for sure but we all cast a vote and the numbers dont lie.
I may open a bottle or two of Champagne tonight to celebrate Corbyn's utter failure.
Congrats to my British friends, the results were as I reported many threads ago.
I am Labour but I cannot and never had time for Corbyns bunch as a I voted for Brexit is what I wanted.
Borris is a clown but the clown beat a ass hole Corbyn and Abbott hell imagine those two running the country they could not run a bath. Corbyn was not fit for purpose our Politicians in general are pathetic it would be nice to sack the lot and start again.!
Won't comment on Brexit, since that is strictly a British issue and British decision.
My only comment is to point out the marked contrast between the Roosevelts, Eisenhowers and Kennedys.... and the Blairs, Thatchers and Churchills............................. to the present day Donald and Boris.
But Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
Holly flying fuck!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBut Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
I am saying that no one would beat Boris, no matter if you had JFK, Jesus and Nelson Mandela standing against him. So it really made little difference if Corbyn stood against him or anyone else.
Go to sleep!!
A Labour leader who actually cared for British people meaning to respect their judgment as indeed pledged at the last election would have done much better. Your Blair argument is a futile and silly one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolly flying fuck!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBut Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
I am saying that no one would beat Boris, no matter if you had JFK, Jesus and Nelson Mandela standing against him. So it really made little difference if Corbyn stood against him or anyone else.
Go to sleep!!
These people I link to below are the minority and that and their online Twitter accounts was what Labour paid more attention to.
They just did not listen. I turned against Labour, as did Batman, as did Dia as did millions. It wasn't rocket science. Batman wants somebody to represent him and no left wing party did.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll
Once Boris completes Brexiit and screws the working class over they will all go back to Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfA Labour leader who actually cared for British people meaning to respect their judgment as indeed pledged at the last election would have done much better. Your Blair argument is a futile and silly one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolly flying fuck!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBut Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
I am saying that no one would beat Boris, no matter if you had JFK, Jesus and Nelson Mandela standing against him. So it really made little difference if Corbyn stood against him or anyone else.
Go to sleep!!
These people I link to below are the minority and that and their online Twitter accounts was what Labour paid more attention to.
They just did not listen. I turned against Labour, as did Batman, as did Dia as did millions. It wasn't rocket science. Batman wants somebody to represent him and no left wing party did.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll
I have a hard time seeing Labour even come back. It is probably Tories for a generation or two. Labour is in the position the Liberals were in at the turn of the last century. They no longer mert the purpose they were designed for. Something new will have to emerge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOnce Boris completes Brexiit and screws the working class over they will all go back to Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfA Labour leader who actually cared for British people meaning to respect their judgment as indeed pledged at the last election would have done much better. Your Blair argument is a futile and silly one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolly flying fuck!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBut Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
I am saying that no one would beat Boris, no matter if you had JFK, Jesus and Nelson Mandela standing against him. So it really made little difference if Corbyn stood against him or anyone else.
Go to sleep!!
These people I link to below are the minority and that and their online Twitter accounts was what Labour paid more attention to.
They just did not listen. I turned against Labour, as did Batman, as did Dia as did millions. It wasn't rocket science. Batman wants somebody to represent him and no left wing party did.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll
You want to have a good look at what the Tories are going to do with the enabling act. Orwell said that people who elect corrupt Politicians are accomplices not victims, and he was right, so don't go moaning when the fascist bastards don't even give you the opportunity to elect an alternative.
Of course it will never effect the most vocal voices in this thread because they are not British Citizens. For them it is a game.
Now that piss stained tramp cunt has confirmed that he won't be running in any more elections I may return to labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOnce Boris completes Brexiit and screws the working class over they will all go back to Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfA Labour leader who actually cared for British people meaning to respect their judgment as indeed pledged at the last election would have done much better. Your Blair argument is a futile and silly one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolly flying fuck!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBut Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . 😤Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
I am saying that no one would beat Boris, no matter if you had JFK, Jesus and Nelson Mandela standing against him. So it really made little difference if Corbyn stood against him or anyone else.
Go to sleep!!
These people I link to below are the minority and that and their online Twitter accounts was what Labour paid more attention to.
They just did not listen. I turned against Labour, as did Batman, as did Dia as did millions. It wasn't rocket science. Batman wants somebody to represent him and no left wing party did.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll
At the next election I'll vote for whichever party I feel represents me best, at present this version of labour doesn't represent me at all so they need to strip it back to basics to get me back on side. One thing is for certain this extreme left version of labour will never get my vote.
Fuck it, this shit is riveting compared to boring France, I'm moving to London.
Go back to labour ? I don't know any labour supporters personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOnce Boris completes Brexiit and screws the working class over they will all go back to Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfA Labour leader who actually cared for British people meaning to respect their judgment as indeed pledged at the last election would have done much better. Your Blair argument is a futile and silly one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolly flying fuck!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBut Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . ������Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
I am saying that no one would beat Boris, no matter if you had JFK, Jesus and Nelson Mandela standing against him. So it really made little difference if Corbyn stood against him or anyone else.
Go to sleep!!
These people I link to below are the minority and that and their online Twitter accounts was what Labour paid more attention to.
They just did not listen. I turned against Labour, as did Batman, as did Dia as did millions. It wasn't rocket science. Batman wants somebody to represent him and no left wing party did.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll
Oh, is that what all your trump blathering is, a game? I thought you might vacation in the US regularly. I said much earlier in the post Boris would win, I won the game I guess. @BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
So you are not a Labour supporter, so this does not apply to you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlGo back to labour ? I don't know any labour supporters personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOnce Boris completes Brexiit and screws the working class over they will all go back to Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfA Labour leader who actually cared for British people meaning to respect their judgment as indeed pledged at the last election would have done much better. Your Blair argument is a futile and silly one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolly flying fuck!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBut Tony Blair would have run on remain also. People would have slaughtered him on that alone. The 52% are people who want Britain to be British and that goes against Mr open borders globalist Blairs ethos. Even a prime Blair was plastic garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead my post I wrote Tony Blair’s popularity that he had before the Iraq War/Invasion. There was no one who could beat Boris because of Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfTony Fucking Blair? He would have killed the party forever had he run! Jesus christ almighty the hate for that war criminal globalist twat is unmatched by anyone . ������Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIn 2017 Corbyn won record seats from a disastrous 2015 from a Blair clone. Brexit was the main issue and even Tony Blair’s popularity would not have won this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
The share of votes for Labour has not changed from 2017.
It was about Brexit and getting it done.
I am saying that no one would beat Boris, no matter if you had JFK, Jesus and Nelson Mandela standing against him. So it really made little difference if Corbyn stood against him or anyone else.
Go to sleep!!
These people I link to below are the minority and that and their online Twitter accounts was what Labour paid more attention to.
They just did not listen. I turned against Labour, as did Batman, as did Dia as did millions. It wasn't rocket science. Batman wants somebody to represent him and no left wing party did.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ults-exit-poll
There really is no need to @ mention someone to get a reply. You are the shit stirrer that started the whole anti-British vibe here years ago with multiple threads slagging off England. I have taken care not to post in your "Who will be the next President thread" and hardly ever in the Trump thread. You are claiming an equivalence that is simply not there. Trump is a massive threat to this country. You as a tiny little watch collecting pipsqueak with an inflated backstory? not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusOh, is that what all your trump blathering is, a game? I thought you might vacation in the US regularly. I said much earlier in the post Boris would win, I won the game I guess. @BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Quote:
Originally Posted by gandalfthe british did not vote for that and if it were to happen you have the right to resist any way you like. I have no desire to see it privatized, but would like to see borders controlled and for people to live more healthily thus easing the burden. It is very well funded and the poor benefit the most from it. It is fair that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by beanz
Of course nobody should wait hours after a heart attack, but if it is full, it is full. Migration is not the cash bonanza people have been lied to about and it does place a strain on everything. If you care about your family you want less coming in and a more effective system for british people. Make foreigners pay, but of course the money is seldom collected and many cannot afford it.
I disagree with you about corbyn being too radical. A lot of it really is what labour did under blair and the brexit pledge betrayal. People do not trust corbyn because of the brexit flip and he knows he hasn't been true to himself there. No way was he bigging up the eu over tea with tony benn. He politicked and it went wrong. Labour reduced the gap so people were listening before. Something happened and it was brexit. Plus fenster is right about that ira stuff, but i personally do not have issues with that.
And i have not sold out to anyone. All i want is what is good for britain and its interests. I do not gain anything and wish no harm.
soldQuote:
Originally Posted by gandalf
out
Sobered and grown up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by gandalfthe british did not vote for that and if it were to happen you have the right to resist any way you like. I have no desire to see it privatized, but would like to see borders controlled and for people to live more healthily thus easing the burden. It is very well funded and the poor benefit the most from it. It is fair that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by beanz
Of course nobody should wait hours after a heart attack, but if it is full, it is full. Migration is not the cash bonanza people have been lied to about and it does place a strain on everything. If you care about your family you want less coming in and a more effective system for british people. Make foreigners pay, but of course the money is seldom collected and many cannot afford it.
I disagree with you about corbyn being too radical. A lot of it really is what labour did under blair and the brexit pledge betrayal. People do not trust corbyn because of the brexit flip and he knows he hasn't been true to himself there. No way was he bigging up the eu over tea with tony benn. He politicked and it went wrong. Labour reduced the gap so people were listening before. Something happened and it was brexit. Plus fenster is right about that ira stuff, but i personally do not have issues with that.
And i have not sold out to anyone. All i want is what is good for britain and its interests. I do not gain anything and wish no harm.
soldQuote:
Originally Posted by gandalf
out
I think some of Corbyn's manifesto was decent, but parts of it zany. Votes for 16 year olds. Murder of formed babies. Minimum wage far too high. No consideration of British workers or welfare by controlling migration. And the contradictions on Brexit...not helped by interviews with leading members of his own party.
Corbyn still comes across as a gent, but the manifesto was odd and eccentric with some decent stuff in there economically as I don't like corporations not paying their share and things like that. He blew it on Brexit by selling out himself.
I maintain that he was a man trapped by his party and trapped by ideology. He would not compromise. If he had been true to people outside the London bubble I would have got it, but it was my experiences informed by working people in the North over a month long period that changed me. I haven't sold out, I just took the time to see it from the angle of the man on the railways. It was a different experience to my own. I had to see it first hand to get out of my own bubble.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSobered and grown up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by gandalfthe british did not vote for that and if it were to happen you have the right to resist any way you like. I have no desire to see it privatized, but would like to see borders controlled and for people to live more healthily thus easing the burden. It is very well funded and the poor benefit the most from it. It is fair that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by beanz
Of course nobody should wait hours after a heart attack, but if it is full, it is full. Migration is not the cash bonanza people have been lied to about and it does place a strain on everything. If you care about your family you want less coming in and a more effective system for british people. Make foreigners pay, but of course the money is seldom collected and many cannot afford it.
I disagree with you about corbyn being too radical. A lot of it really is what labour did under blair and the brexit pledge betrayal. People do not trust corbyn because of the brexit flip and he knows he hasn't been true to himself there. No way was he bigging up the eu over tea with tony benn. He politicked and it went wrong. Labour reduced the gap so people were listening before. Something happened and it was brexit. Plus fenster is right about that ira stuff, but i personally do not have issues with that.
And i have not sold out to anyone. All i want is what is good for britain and its interests. I do not gain anything and wish no harm.
soldQuote:
Originally Posted by gandalf
out
I think some of Corbyn's manifesto was decent, but parts of it zany. Votes for 16 year olds. Murder of formed babies. Minimum wage far too high. No consideration of British workers or welfare by controlling migration. And the contradictions on Brexit...not helped by interviews with leading members of his own party.
Corbyn still comes across as a gent, but the manifesto was odd and eccentric with some decent stuff in there economically as I don't like corporations not paying their share and things like that. He blew it on Brexit by selling out himself.
I maintain that he was a man trapped by his party and trapped by ideology. He would not compromise. If he had been true to people outside the London bubble I would have got it, but it was my experiences informed by working people in the North over a month long period that changed me. I haven't sold out, I just took the time to see it from the angle of the man on the railways. It was a different experience to my own. I had to see it first hand to get out of my own bubble.
SOLD OUT and signed up for the politics of resentment. Look at how between 85 and 99% of what you post always has to reference yourself as though you are a victim. You have to leave your room to get out of your bubble and you have admitted that very rarely happens unless you are going to work.
https://www.responsivetranslation.co...n-440x4061.jpg
A complete wipe out.
Im not a Corbyn fan, but it's always important to have a strong opposition to any government.
For the Labour leadership to say it was all about Brexit (and blame the media) is totally facile. They need to have a long hard look at their electability.
Labour have turned into a party of the metropolitan elite. Hugh Grant and Emma Thompson canvassing voters in Islington didn't resonate with the working class guy in Blythe. They were INVENTED to represent the working person and have effectively lost their vote.
Their manifesto, radical as it was, was intended to please the existing party members who had moved significantly to the left. That's fine, but they forgot their voters. The loud, social media posting activists were totally outvoted by the silent majority.
To say that the voters were 'wrong' or 'stupid' is very arrogant and out of touch. There is a great wisdom in crowd decision making and they turned against Labour in droves. The party would do well to LISTEN to them to work out why.
I get the impression that many Momentum people and activist have not demonstrated great LISTENING skills. If you don't agree with them, you are wrong or racist or bigoted or whatever. The danger formthem isn't that they don't learn the lessons of this election disaster.
Winning elections - and governing - is always about compromise. Corbyn has never compromised in his life. I respect the courage of his convictions but that lack of 'give' and listening has made them unelectable.
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Originally Posted by gandalfthe british did not vote for that and if it were to happen you have the right to resist any way you like. I have no desire to see it privatized, but would like to see borders controlled and for people to live more healthily thus easing the burden. It is very well funded and the poor benefit the most from it. It is fair that way.Quote:
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Of course nobody should wait hours after a heart attack, but if it is full, it is full. Migration is not the cash bonanza people have been lied to about and it does place a strain on everything. If you care about your family you want less coming in and a more effective system for british people. Make foreigners pay, but of course the money is seldom collected and many cannot afford it.
I disagree with you about corbyn being too radical. A lot of it really is what labour did under blair and the brexit pledge betrayal. People do not trust corbyn because of the brexit flip and he knows he hasn't been true to himself there. No way was he bigging up the eu over tea with tony benn. He politicked and it went wrong. Labour reduced the gap so people were listening before. Something happened and it was brexit. Plus fenster is right about that ira stuff, but i personally do not have issues with that.
And i have not sold out to anyone. All i want is what is good for britain and its interests. I do not gain anything and wish no harm.
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I think some of Corbyn's manifesto was decent, but parts of it zany. Votes for 16 year olds. Murder of formed babies. Minimum wage far too high. No consideration of British workers or welfare by controlling migration. And the contradictions on Brexit...not helped by interviews with leading members of his own party.
Corbyn still comes across as a gent, but the manifesto was odd and eccentric with some decent stuff in there economically as I don't like corporations not paying their share and things like that. He blew it on Brexit by selling out himself.
I maintain that he was a man trapped by his party and trapped by ideology. He would not compromise. If he had been true to people outside the London bubble I would have got it, but it was my experiences informed by working people in the North over a month long period that changed me. I haven't sold out, I just took the time to see it from the angle of the man on the railways. It was a different experience to my own. I had to see it first hand to get out of my own bubble.
SOLD OUT and signed up for the politics of resentment. Look at how between 85 and 99% of what you post always has to reference yourself as though you are a victim. You have to leave your room to get out of your bubble and you have admitted that very rarely happens unless you are going to work.
https://www.responsivetranslation.co...n-440x4061.jpg
Was a victim sure, but it hasn't shaped the end product. I have a life Beanz, it is just that I don't tell you much about it.
Hard work and discipline pays off, it really does. At least it does for me and the people around me are the ones who get me and they do well too.. I couldn't ask for anything more. Winning not by money, but mentality.
Someone online said you are liberal at 20 because you have a heart, but you are conservative by 40 because you have grown. Kind of true.
You just haven't grown, Beanz. Still stuck as a permanent volatile spotty kid. And you were slaughtered. Live with it.
As being involved with unions in the past we new about Corbyn years back me and my mate in work were active in Union activitys.
He was a communist and more interested in spouting bloody rubbish then a fervent member of CND a bloody idiot then nothing changes
Shit it was a dark day he was made leader remember we had no faith then and it continued through two elections he could not beat two bloody hopeless PMs in May and Johnson.!
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Originally Posted by gandalfthe british did not vote for that and if it were to happen you have the right to resist any way you like. I have no desire to see it privatized, but would like to see borders controlled and for people to live more healthily thus easing the burden. It is very well funded and the poor benefit the most from it. It is fair that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by beanz
Of course nobody should wait hours after a heart attack, but if it is full, it is full. Migration is not the cash bonanza people have been lied to about and it does place a strain on everything. If you care about your family you want less coming in and a more effective system for british people. Make foreigners pay, but of course the money is seldom collected and many cannot afford it.
I disagree with you about corbyn being too radical. A lot of it really is what labour did under blair and the brexit pledge betrayal. People do not trust corbyn because of the brexit flip and he knows he hasn't been true to himself there. No way was he bigging up the eu over tea with tony benn. He politicked and it went wrong. Labour reduced the gap so people were listening before. Something happened and it was brexit. Plus fenster is right about that ira stuff, but i personally do not have issues with that.
And i have not sold out to anyone. All i want is what is good for britain and its interests. I do not gain anything and wish no harm.
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I think some of Corbyn's manifesto was decent, but parts of it zany. Votes for 16 year olds. Murder of formed babies. Minimum wage far too high. No consideration of British workers or welfare by controlling migration. And the contradictions on Brexit...not helped by interviews with leading members of his own party.
Corbyn still comes across as a gent, but the manifesto was odd and eccentric with some decent stuff in there economically as I don't like corporations not paying their share and things like that. He blew it on Brexit by selling out himself.
I maintain that he was a man trapped by his party and trapped by ideology. He would not compromise. If he had been true to people outside the London bubble I would have got it, but it was my experiences informed by working people in the North over a month long period that changed me. I haven't sold out, I just took the time to see it from the angle of the man on the railways. It was a different experience to my own. I had to see it first hand to get out of my own bubble.
SOLD OUT and signed up for the politics of resentment. Look at how between 85 and 99% of what you post always has to reference yourself as though you are a victim. You have to leave your room to get out of your bubble and you have admitted that very rarely happens unless you are going to work.
https://www.responsivetranslation.co...n-440x4061.jpg
Was a victim sure, but it hasn't shaped the end product. I have a life Beanz, it is just that I don't tell you much about it.
Hard work and discipline pays off, it really does. At least it does for me and the people around me are the ones who get me and they do well too.. I couldn't ask for anything more. Winning not by money, but mentality.
Someone online said you are liberal at 20 because you have a heart, but you are conservative by 40 because you have grown. Kind of true.
You just haven't grown, Beanz. Still stuck as a permanent volatile spotty kid. And you were slaughtered. Live with it.
Your impression is just a projected fantasy of more resentment. It is like the stupid lie of me being some benefit scrounger that was spread by many here, even going to the trouble of privately messaging others to get them to believe it. I get why. People seek to invalidate empathy, and compassion and creativity because they often lack the imagination to understand how anyone can make a living by doing anything other than what you do. In fact you have gone further in seeking to cast public servants, decent hard working people like nurses and paramedics and firemen and teachers as somehow being inferior because they have chosen not to work in the private sector. That is a pretty big hump to carry around.
I was contacted by the picture editor of the Daily Mail last week, and stupid though it may seem to you, I had to turn the job down. Billionaire run papers like hers have so easily turned the heads of people who view the world like you do, and I did not want to be associated with that, even in a supplemental Sunday magazine. That i was in a position to do so is not evidence of being a permanent adolescent as you are suggesting ( that would be a bit weird after bringing up and putting two kids through school over 25 years and now helping to bring up my grandchildren) but rather an indication of quite how far i have managed to come, without having to resort to turning to the state to support me. I did not go to UNI after school like you, I did so as a parent and carer much later in life, at the same time as holding down a full time job. That allowed me the opportunity to do things that most people like me would have been told were impossible.When I got asked last week to come and sit on an industry panel at a local University to speak to the kids about my career and that is not the first mentoring i will have done. And that mentoring can't help but change you, the same as being a parent does.
The point is that the idea you must conform as you have, or and become a robot, that you have to take this route and then that means you cut off all over routes and avenues to explore is a lie. Life is not a journey. It is not a one way descent into hoarding everything and becoming the kind of old fart that seeks to remove the freedoms of the younger generations after you. It is a one off, a privilege to experience and fill with joy, something to PLAY , to waste it trying to blame other people for your own dissatisfaction is a criminal waste. At least Al seem happy with his posh meals. What do you have? the satisfaction of mocking modern plans to make Britain more like SK in many ways and the joy of cardigans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBpaUICxEhk