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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Thats where the line blurs. I don't care about 'negative stories' about Russia. They unquestionably attempted and did interfere in elections and continue to do so. I care about the U.S. and I care that the office of the Presidency and POTUS not be in the habit of licking Putins boots.

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He doesn't lick Putin's boots, that's nonsense.

But he does lick Netanyahu's boots. That's a fair and deserved criticism.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Be good to see when the actual full report is released rather than the flash card version. Seems to be wide bi partisan agreement on that so matter of time and must be done. I'd say a President, leader of the free world needs to be careful when tossing around treason in regards to a free press or political opponents. Trump has every right to peacock the yard and admonish call out specifics. I get the anger. But to cast wide nets of that vague inflammatory talk is irresponsible and beneath the office. You wanna see 'bad things evil things' perpetrated by 'bad people' keep throwing those verbal moltovs around and start the clock. Thats not us. That's not what we do. That talk is best left to despots and banana republics. This country needs to go forward, desperatly. I want policy, not school yard shit talkers just trying to one up each other in the business of gotcha.

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"Beneath the office" :-X


Brought to mind the limbo dance, where the bar keeps getting lowered and lowered... and dancers just have get under it to keep in contention.

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Thats where the line blurs. I don't care about 'negative stories' about Russia. They unquestionably attempted and did interfere in elections and continue to do so. I care about the U.S. and I care that the office of the Presidency and POTUS not be in the habit of licking Putins boots.

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He doesn't lick Putin's boots, that's nonsense.

But he does lick Netanyahu's boots. That's a fair and deserved criticism.

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I have to agree with you on a part of this freedom. What the hell was thst golan heights thing. It is also strange these new attacks come right on the week of Israel voting. I’m not looking at a conspiracy theory thing just find the timing odd.

Google up to its bullshit

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...er_report.html

Google up to more bullshit after bullshit being pointed out

Barr to Mueller:
“Bob, show me the evidence and reasoning for why this investigation was started and still ongoing.”
Mueller to Barr:
“With regards to the President we have found no links or ties to any foreign entity etc”
Barr to Mueller:
“Mandate was clear - verify and investigate reports of possible foreign collusion between President & Russia.” “What justification existed to effectively launch a massive domestic / foreign surv campaign against the President (pres elect / president) and members of his transition / campaign team?”
Mueller to Barr:
“Steele dossier along w/ media corroboration of those findings.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Was the Steele report a ‘trusted and verified’ report per Intel to continue especially considering the funding party was the opposition party?”
Mueller to Barr:
“Those facts were never taken into consideration.” “FISC granted auth to conduct based on conclusions presented.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Was FISC made aware of all details surrounding the dossier?”
Mueller to Barr:
“No.” “We believe there was urgency placed on the auth given the gravity and timeline of events that those involved negated to populate fully.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Why were efforts made to continue investigating the President, interrupt his official capacity in governing, if the only doc presented was unsubstantiated and unverified?” “Why were questions and threat of subpoena communicated to the President if no factual foundation existed?”
“All charges thus far are unrelated to the original mandate - why are you still active and pursuing a crime if no verifiable evidence or evidence through discovery exists?”
Barr to RR:
“What justification did you have to effectively expand the mandate, not report that expansion to Congress, in order to seek a crime outside of R collusion?” “What specific reasoning and/or facts existed to justify the appointment of a SC to begin with per the law?” “Why did you recommend to Sessions that he should recuse?” “Why wasn’t the mandate / budget and regular updates provided to Congress upon request?” “Why is everything kept confidential and under inappropriate classification?” “Was the purpose of investigating to find a crime vs investigate evidence of a crime?”


....guess we'll wait and see

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I'll answer the various replies later. Late for something.



Donald Trump appeared to dodge a legal bullet on Friday after special counsel Robert Mueller concluded his investigation and made clear that he would not be filing further charges. But any relief may be shortlived: Mr Trump’s presidency and business empire are still threatened by separate investigations being carried out by an array of state and federal prosecutors.


Many of the cases are based on evidence unearthed by Mr Mueller but which fell outside the narrow scope of his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They touch on various aspects of Mr Trump’s world — from his tax filings to his charitable foundation and expensive presidential inauguration. Depending on their progress, the legal peril unleashed by Mr Mueller’s 22-month probe could stalk Mr Trump for years to come, say legal experts.


“He’s a long way from out of the woods,” said Roland Riopelle, a New York defence lawyer and former prosecutor. “I think these investigations are more likely to cause legal trouble for him and his family than Mueller.” Jacob Frenkel, a partner at Dickinson Wright, said the most potentially damaging cases included the state mortgage fraud charges filed earlier this month by the Manhattan district attorney against Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Those charges, Mr Frenkel said, “demonstrate that the president, his associates and even his companies remain in active legal jeopardy”. A sitting president cannot be indicted on federal charges, according to Department of Justice guidelines.


Yet Mr Trump would be vulnerable after he left office, and his associates and business partners do not enjoy similar protection. Mueller finds no collusion between Trump and Russia Of greatest concern to them may be the US attorney for the southern district of New York. Based on a referral from Mr Mueller, the Manhattan-based office in August won a guilty plea from Michael Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, in what may have been prosecutors’ biggest victory in the affair.


Mr Cohen, who once boasted that he would “take a bullet” for his boss, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations stemming from “hush money” payments he arranged for two women who claimed to have had affairs with then-candidate Trump. At his sentencing, Mr Cohen insisted he was acting on Mr Trump’s orders. He appeared to bolster that assertion during an appearance before Congress last month when he presented a copy of a cheque with Mr Trump’s signature. It was reimbursement, Mr Cohen claimed, for the illicit payments.


Mr Cohen has also opened a window into Mr Trump’s business dealings. As part of the southern district’s investigation, the FBI last year raided his offices, hauling away thousands of pages of documents and prompting Rudolph Giuliani, Mr Trump’s lawyer, to denounce the agents as “storm troopers”. Meanwhile, the southern district has also opened a probe of Mr Trump’s record-breaking $106m inauguration. It is believed to be focused, in particular, on whether foreign interests used donations — some channelled through Mr Cohen — as a way to gain access to the new administration.


“The greater peril to Mr Trump and his family is coming from the southern district,” said Mr Riopelle. Federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district are renowned for handling historic US cases, involving terrorism and financial fraud. It prides itself on its independence, and is less legally confined than Mr Mueller’s investigation.


“If there’s a case to be made there, you can be confident they’ll make it, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican running the office,” said Mike Shepard, a partner at King & Spalding who once worked for Mr Mueller...................

https://www.ft.com/content/b87383b2-...1-8d9ef1626294

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Mr. Cohen is in deep shit due to his taxi medallion issues for which they threatened his wife with hard time too, ergo his eagerness to "cooperate" and in all honesty what has he provided?

The EASIEST route for him would be to cop to going to Prague would it not? He's done nothing but deny it!

Again, 0 Russian collusion. There's tax issues with some folks, "lying to the FBI" for some folks (about what exactly???), but nah no collusion, no nothing worth a shit.

Did Trump talk to Russians about building at our in Moscow? Perhaps probably Russia is / was a hot real estate market and before he ran for President Donald Trump was in the real estate business but just because he talked to somebody and the plans were later scrapped doesn't mean he colluded to win an election that I'm sorry I've been told he didn't even mean to win. The story that has been concocted about Donald Trump is so convoluted it makes my hair hurt. Are we just not going to pay attention to the CIA and FBI and Clinton foundation and MI6 and Russian ties to those groups are are are we going to forget about that or we going to memory hole that?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I'll answer the various replies later. Late for something.



Donald Trump appeared to dodge a legal bullet on Friday after special counsel Robert Mueller concluded his investigation and made clear that he would not be filing further charges. But any relief may be shortlived: Mr Trump’s presidency and business empire are still threatened by separate investigations being carried out by an array of state and federal prosecutors.


Many of the cases are based on evidence unearthed by Mr Mueller but which fell outside the narrow scope of his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They touch on various aspects of Mr Trump’s world — from his tax filings to his charitable foundation and expensive presidential inauguration. Depending on their progress, the legal peril unleashed by Mr Mueller’s 22-month probe could stalk Mr Trump for years to come, say legal experts.


“He’s a long way from out of the woods,” said Roland Riopelle, a New York defence lawyer and former prosecutor. “I think these investigations are more likely to cause legal trouble for him and his family than Mueller.” Jacob Frenkel, a partner at Dickinson Wright, said the most potentially damaging cases included the state mortgage fraud charges filed earlier this month by the Manhattan district attorney against Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Those charges, Mr Frenkel said, “demonstrate that the president, his associates and even his companies remain in active legal jeopardy”. A sitting president cannot be indicted on federal charges, according to Department of Justice guidelines.


Yet Mr Trump would be vulnerable after he left office, and his associates and business partners do not enjoy similar protection. Mueller finds no collusion between Trump and Russia Of greatest concern to them may be the US attorney for the southern district of New York. Based on a referral from Mr Mueller, the Manhattan-based office in August won a guilty plea from Michael Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, in what may have been prosecutors’ biggest victory in the affair.


Mr Cohen, who once boasted that he would “take a bullet” for his boss, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations stemming from “hush money” payments he arranged for two women who claimed to have had affairs with then-candidate Trump. At his sentencing, Mr Cohen insisted he was acting on Mr Trump’s orders. He appeared to bolster that assertion during an appearance before Congress last month when he presented a copy of a cheque with Mr Trump’s signature. It was reimbursement, Mr Cohen claimed, for the illicit payments.


Mr Cohen has also opened a window into Mr Trump’s business dealings. As part of the southern district’s investigation, the FBI last year raided his offices, hauling away thousands of pages of documents and prompting Rudolph Giuliani, Mr Trump’s lawyer, to denounce the agents as “storm troopers”. Meanwhile, the southern district has also opened a probe of Mr Trump’s record-breaking $106m inauguration. It is believed to be focused, in particular, on whether foreign interests used donations — some channelled through Mr Cohen — as a way to gain access to the new administration.


“The greater peril to Mr Trump and his family is coming from the southern district,” said Mr Riopelle. Federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district are renowned for handling historic US cases, involving terrorism and financial fraud. It prides itself on its independence, and is less legally confined than Mr Mueller’s investigation.


“If there’s a case to be made there, you can be confident they’ll make it, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican running the office,” said Mike Shepard, a partner at King & Spalding who once worked for Mr Mueller...................

https://www.ft.com/content/b87383b2-...1-8d9ef1626294

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So is this proof of Russian collusion? You know who did actually collude with the Russians, right? ;D

http://youtu.be/XGsQakrfIio

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

https://youtu.be/XGsQakrfIio

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;D

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Originally Posted by Master

No I do not but I do have a comment on Trump obstructing justice. :)

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No evidence of a crime Trump committed, but you say "obstruction of justice"....would you care to elaborate or are you just parroting lines from the television?

Hey Kirkland.... On Donald Trump Jr meeting with "the Russians" please note said Russians worked for (checks notes)....FUSION GPS the same Fusion GPS who started the Dossier to begin with.

But I'm absolutely certain you can explain that away

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

https://youtu.be/XGsQakrfIio

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;D

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I did just laugh a lot, but in all seriousness Sargon ripped Lemon to pieces there. What I really dislike in someone is the inability to just hold up their hands and say 'Sorry, I was wrong' sometimes. I respect a person who will admit to their flaws and their weakness because we all have them. Nobody is perfect, everyone has their agenda, and mistakes get made. Though in CNN's case, it really does not look like a mistake as it appears more a purposeful agenda. Even with Lemon there you see CNN twisting and writhing and moving the goalposts every single time. It takes genuine guts to display humility and admit to something wrong and to mean it too.

@Master trump was cleared of collusion meaning there was no collusion. The case was about russian collusion so if trump did not commit colusion what the hell did he obstruct? Could you explain maybe I’ll understand your view better

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Originally Posted by walrus

@Master trump was cleared of collusion meaning there was no collusion. The case was about russian collusion so if trump did not commit colusion what the hell did he obstruct? Could you explain maybe I’ll understand your view better

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The report said Trump may have acted to obstruct justice there probably is not enough evidence to get a criminal prosecution for him tampering with the investigation.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by walrus

@Master trump was cleared of collusion meaning there was no collusion. The case was about russian collusion so if trump did not commit colusion what the hell did he obstruct? Could you explain maybe I’ll understand your view better

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The report said Trump may have acted to obstruct justice there probably is not enough evidence to get a criminal prosecution for him tampering with the investigation.

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However, no evidence of collusion, right? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by walrus

@Master trump was cleared of collusion meaning there was no collusion. The case was about russian collusion so if trump did not commit colusion what the hell did he obstruct? Could you explain maybe I’ll understand your view better

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The report said Trump may have acted to obstruct justice there probably is not enough evidence to get a criminal prosecution for him tampering with the investigation.

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However, no evidence of collusion, right? :rolleyes:

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Allow me...

http://youtu.be/G1y9fmszwRI

Trump's Golan gift to Israel condemned by UN, Gulf & European allies

https://www.rt.com/news/454790-world...-golan-israel/

Photo of Trump with his master:
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.03/l/...a96a8b457b.jpg

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Originally Posted by Master

The report said Trump may have acted to obstruct justice there probably is not enough evidence to get a criminal prosecution for him tampering with the investigation.

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So Trump is innocent of wrongdoing BUT how he acted during the investigation is something that should be considered illegal?



Really? Really?..........Really?:-\

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Barr to Mueller:
“Bob, show me the evidence and reasoning for why this investigation was started and still ongoing.”
Mueller to Barr:
“With regards to the President we have found no links or ties to any foreign entity etc”
Barr to Mueller:
“Mandate was clear - verify and investigate reports of possible foreign collusion between President & Russia.” “What justification existed to effectively launch a massive domestic / foreign surv campaign against the President (pres elect / president) and members of his transition / campaign team?”
Mueller to Barr:
“Steele dossier along w/ media corroboration of those findings.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Was the Steele report a ‘trusted and verified’ report per Intel to continue especially considering the funding party was the opposition party?”
Mueller to Barr:
“Those facts were never taken into consideration.” “FISC granted auth to conduct based on conclusions presented.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Was FISC made aware of all details surrounding the dossier?”
Mueller to Barr:
“No.” “We believe there was urgency placed on the auth given the gravity and timeline of events that those involved negated to populate fully.”
Barr to Mueller:
“Why were efforts made to continue investigating the President, interrupt his official capacity in governing, if the only doc presented was unsubstantiated and unverified?” “Why were questions and threat of subpoena communicated to the President if no factual foundation existed?”
“All charges thus far are unrelated to the original mandate - why are you still active and pursuing a crime if no verifiable evidence or evidence through discovery exists?”
Barr to RR:
“What justification did you have to effectively expand the mandate, not report that expansion to Congress, in order to seek a crime outside of R collusion?” “What specific reasoning and/or facts existed to justify the appointment of a SC to begin with per the law?” “Why did you recommend to Sessions that he should recuse?” “Why wasn’t the mandate / budget and regular updates provided to Congress upon request?” “Why is everything kept confidential and under inappropriate classification?” “Was the purpose of investigating to find a crime vs investigate evidence of a crime?”


....guess we'll wait and see

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https://www.qanonposts.io/2019/02/17...vidence-and-r/

Two thousand dollars Lyle. How about it?

In a nutshell, because you've been away months now so there's no way you could remember. The FISA warrant was issued for Cater Page, a man who had a. left the Trump campaign months previous to the application for the warrant, b. had a FISA warrant issued to monitor him a couple of years previously, before Trump even started running for office and before he'd even heard of Page and c. been arrested and questioned by the FBI before Trump even announced for office because the FBI suspected he was a Russian spy or that the Russians were trying to compromise him. After numerous unexplained contacts between Page and the Russians during the Trump campaign the FBI decided to wiretap him again after he left the campaign to see if he was working with them. The initial warrant was renewed at least twice at six month intervals and the only way it can be renewed is if the FBI collect actual evidence of illegal stuff in the previous six month period.

So this six degrees of Kevin Bacon stuff is the only remotely possible way the Trump people can claim that there's any wrongdoing by the FBI/deep state. That and the dossier.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

The very Dossier which got this entire shitstorm started (when John McCain delivered it to the Obama White House and then to the media despite it being unverified) is bogus. It was written in 2007 by Fusion GPS's Glenn Simpson.

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-new...ier-russiagate



....funny how this all could have been avoided had Hillary not been a shrieking monotoned cunt and campaigned in Wisconsin or won Pennsylvania.....yeah shame that.

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The dossier didn't start anything. What started the investigation into the Trump campaign was two or three foreign intelligence agencies passing on information to the FBI that Russia was interfering in the 2016 election. The dossier came much later. It was written in 2015 and 2016. Originally it was funded by a GOP donor called Paul Singer who owns some conservative website, Free Beacon or something similar. Most of the information in the dossier was assembled while he was paying. Eventually it became clear that Trump was going to win the nomination and Singer stopped funding it. Hillary stepped in and never actually used the dossier in the election campaign. Nobody knew about the dossier until after the election :

Former McCain aide David Kramer approached the Arizona senator after the 2016 elections with former British spy Christopher Steele's dossier of Trump-Russia connections, and then McCain said he delivered the documents to the FBI, saying that was the extent of his involvement.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/25/p...fbi/index.html

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Be good to see when the actual full report is released rather than the flash card version. Seems to be wide bi partisan agreement on that so matter of time and must be done. I'd say a President, leader of the free world needs to be careful when tossing around treason in regards to a free press or political opponents. Trump has every right to peacock the yard and admonish call out specifics. I get the anger. But to cast wide nets of that vague inflammatory talk is irresponsible and beneath the office. You wanna see 'bad things evil things' perpetrated by 'bad people' keep throwing those verbal moltovs around and start the clock. Thats not us. That's not what we do. That talk is best left to despots and banana republics. This country needs to go forward, desperatly. I want policy, not school yard shit talkers just trying to one up each other in the business of gotcha.

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Hopefully they don't go full banana republic and go after Hillary and Obama. I can accept a Lindsey Graham dog and pony show in the Senate but if it's more than that then that's a step too far. In thirty to sixty days the FBI are going to brief congres on the counterintelligence aspect of the investigation -- how successful Russia was in influencing Trump to do what they wanted re. dropping sanctions and so on. I'm not hopeful we get to see much of the Mueller report. So far we got two incomplete sentences of a report that is probably thousands of pages long. You'd think they'd be keen to release at least a few paragraphs if it exonerated Trump.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I'll answer the various replies later. Late for something.



Donald Trump appeared to dodge a legal bullet on Friday after special counsel Robert Mueller concluded his investigation and made clear that he would not be filing further charges. But any relief may be shortlived: Mr Trump’s presidency and business empire are still threatened by separate investigations being carried out by an array of state and federal prosecutors.


Many of the cases are based on evidence unearthed by Mr Mueller but which fell outside the narrow scope of his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. They touch on various aspects of Mr Trump’s world — from his tax filings to his charitable foundation and expensive presidential inauguration. Depending on their progress, the legal peril unleashed by Mr Mueller’s 22-month probe could stalk Mr Trump for years to come, say legal experts.


“He’s a long way from out of the woods,” said Roland Riopelle, a New York defence lawyer and former prosecutor. “I think these investigations are more likely to cause legal trouble for him and his family than Mueller.” Jacob Frenkel, a partner at Dickinson Wright, said the most potentially damaging cases included the state mortgage fraud charges filed earlier this month by the Manhattan district attorney against Mr Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Those charges, Mr Frenkel said, “demonstrate that the president, his associates and even his companies remain in active legal jeopardy”. A sitting president cannot be indicted on federal charges, according to Department of Justice guidelines.


Yet Mr Trump would be vulnerable after he left office, and his associates and business partners do not enjoy similar protection. Mueller finds no collusion between Trump and Russia Of greatest concern to them may be the US attorney for the southern district of New York. Based on a referral from Mr Mueller, the Manhattan-based office in August won a guilty plea from Michael Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, in what may have been prosecutors’ biggest victory in the affair.


Mr Cohen, who once boasted that he would “take a bullet” for his boss, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations stemming from “hush money” payments he arranged for two women who claimed to have had affairs with then-candidate Trump. At his sentencing, Mr Cohen insisted he was acting on Mr Trump’s orders. He appeared to bolster that assertion during an appearance before Congress last month when he presented a copy of a cheque with Mr Trump’s signature. It was reimbursement, Mr Cohen claimed, for the illicit payments.


Mr Cohen has also opened a window into Mr Trump’s business dealings. As part of the southern district’s investigation, the FBI last year raided his offices, hauling away thousands of pages of documents and prompting Rudolph Giuliani, Mr Trump’s lawyer, to denounce the agents as “storm troopers”. Meanwhile, the southern district has also opened a probe of Mr Trump’s record-breaking $106m inauguration. It is believed to be focused, in particular, on whether foreign interests used donations — some channelled through Mr Cohen — as a way to gain access to the new administration.


“The greater peril to Mr Trump and his family is coming from the southern district,” said Mr Riopelle. Federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district are renowned for handling historic US cases, involving terrorism and financial fraud. It prides itself on its independence, and is less legally confined than Mr Mueller’s investigation.


“If there’s a case to be made there, you can be confident they’ll make it, whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican running the office,” said Mike Shepard, a partner at King & Spalding who once worked for Mr Mueller...................

https://www.ft.com/content/b87383b2-...1-8d9ef1626294

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Mr. Cohen is in deep shit due to his taxi medallion issues for which they threatened his wife with hard time too, ergo his eagerness to "cooperate" and in all honesty what has he provided?

The EASIEST route for him would be to cop to going to Prague would it not? He's done nothing but deny it!

Again, 0 Russian collusion. There's tax issues with some folks, "lying to the FBI" for some folks (about what exactly???), but nah no collusion, no nothing worth a shit.

Did Trump talk to Russians about building at our in Moscow? Perhaps probably Russia is / was a hot real estate market and before he ran for President Donald Trump was in the real estate business but just because he talked to somebody and the plans were later scrapped doesn't mean he colluded to win an election that I'm sorry I've been told he didn't even mean to win. The story that has been concocted about Donald Trump is so convoluted it makes my hair hurt. Are we just not going to pay attention to the CIA and FBI and Clinton foundation and MI6 and Russian ties to those groups are are are we going to forget about that or we going to memory hole that?

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Cohen testified under oath that the Russians were dangling a deal that would make Trump several hundred million dollars in front of him while he was deciding his Russia foreign policy as regards sanctions and so on. That's about a hundred times more than Trump has made from any real estate deal for decades and by far his most profitable deal ever. And of course this was another thing Trump lied and lied about. He didn't have nothing to do with Russia as he insisted all the way throught eh campaign, he had an ongoing negotiation with them all the way through the campaign and into at least November. That's as far as Giuliani admitted to but it looks like it went into 2017 too. This is now being investigated by the SDNY FBI office.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Hey Kirkland.... On Donald Trump Jr meeting with "the Russians" please note said Russians worked for (checks notes)....FUSION GPS the same Fusion GPS who started the Dossier to begin with.

But I'm absolutely certain you can explain that away

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The Trump tower meeting was with at least one Russian government agent. The wife of Russia's AG.

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There have been nearly two hundred separate charges brought by this bogus investigation. There could be hundreds more as various parts of the Mueller probe have been passed off to various FBI offices and seventeen investigations of Trump are ongoing. We already know that the Trump campaign met various Russians over a hundred times for various reasons. The only thing Barr has rules out is that no Trump people colluded with the Russian government or its agencies, not that collusion didn't take place between the Trump people and Russians. It did! And a lot of those meetings are under investigation by various FBI offices.

I'm not asking for dates and times and never have. You're saying definitively that a bunch of high ranking people from Obama on down are going to be facing charges. I say they won't. So far we have twenty dollars on that. Let's make it two thousand dollars.

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Let's take a gander at these "nearly two hundred separate charges" shall we? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3266050002/

So AGAIN that's 0 for Russian collusion.


"I never ask for dates"

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So now is when he's going to drop the hammer and all the Democrats from Obama on down are going to get carted off to Guantanamo?

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OK then


Government moves slowly, it's a matter of time and perhaps HRC or Obama or other folks attempt to stop the charges of treason from coming to fruition, but hey what can I say I was right about Mueller having nothing and providing nothing, 0 evidence of collusion.

Where do you want to draw the line Kirk? McCabe? Comey? Lynch? Rice? Yates? Clapper? Brennan? Where do you want to admit defeat?

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It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

There have been nearly two hundred separate charges brought by this bogus investigation. There could be hundreds more as various parts of the Mueller probe have been passed off to various FBI offices and seventeen investigations of Trump are ongoing. We already know that the Trump campaign met various Russians over a hundred times for various reasons. The only thing Barr has rules out is that no Trump people colluded with the Russian government or its agencies, not that collusion didn't take place between the Trump people and Russians. It did! And a lot of those meetings are under investigation by various FBI offices.

I'm not asking for dates and times and never have. You're saying definitively that a bunch of high ranking people from Obama on down are going to be facing charges. I say they won't. So far we have twenty dollars on that. Let's make it two thousand dollars.

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Let's take a gander at these "nearly two hundred separate charges" shall we? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3266050002/

So AGAIN that's 0 for Russian collusion.


"I never ask for dates"

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So now is when he's going to drop the hammer and all the Democrats from Obama on down are going to get carted off to Guantanamo?

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OK then


Government moves slowly, it's a matter of time and perhaps HRC or Obama or other folks attempt to stop the charges of treason from coming to fruition, but hey what can I say I was right about Mueller having nothing and providing nothing, 0 evidence of collusion.

Where do you want to draw the line Kirk? McCabe? Comey? Lynch? Rice? Yates? Clapper? Brennan? Where do you want to admit defeat?

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It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Kirk don’t be stupid obama campaigned saying he would shut down gitmo. He must have shut it down during his eight years. Right.....oh...wait

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

There have been nearly two hundred separate charges brought by this bogus investigation. There could be hundreds more as various parts of the Mueller probe have been passed off to various FBI offices and seventeen investigations of Trump are ongoing. We already know that the Trump campaign met various Russians over a hundred times for various reasons. The only thing Barr has rules out is that no Trump people colluded with the Russian government or its agencies, not that collusion didn't take place between the Trump people and Russians. It did! And a lot of those meetings are under investigation by various FBI offices.

I'm not asking for dates and times and never have. You're saying definitively that a bunch of high ranking people from Obama on down are going to be facing charges. I say they won't. So far we have twenty dollars on that. Let's make it two thousand dollars.

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Let's take a gander at these "nearly two hundred separate charges" shall we? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3266050002/

So AGAIN that's 0 for Russian collusion.


"I never ask for dates"

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So now is when he's going to drop the hammer and all the Democrats from Obama on down are going to get carted off to Guantanamo?

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OK then


Government moves slowly, it's a matter of time and perhaps HRC or Obama or other folks attempt to stop the charges of treason from coming to fruition, but hey what can I say I was right about Mueller having nothing and providing nothing, 0 evidence of collusion.

Where do you want to draw the line Kirk? McCabe? Comey? Lynch? Rice? Yates? Clapper? Brennan? Where do you want to admit defeat?

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It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Kirk don’t be stupid obama campaigned saying he would shut down gitmo. He must have shut it down during his eight years. Right.....oh...wait

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It's illegal not to carry out a campaign promise?

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There have been nearly two hundred separate charges brought by this bogus investigation. There could be hundreds more as various parts of the Mueller probe have been passed off to various FBI offices and seventeen investigations of Trump are ongoing. We already know that the Trump campaign met various Russians over a hundred times for various reasons. The only thing Barr has rules out is that no Trump people colluded with the Russian government or its agencies, not that collusion didn't take place between the Trump people and Russians. It did! And a lot of those meetings are under investigation by various FBI offices.

I'm not asking for dates and times and never have. You're saying definitively that a bunch of high ranking people from Obama on down are going to be facing charges. I say they won't. So far we have twenty dollars on that. Let's make it two thousand dollars.

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Let's take a gander at these "nearly two hundred separate charges" shall we? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3266050002/

So AGAIN that's 0 for Russian collusion.


"I never ask for dates"

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So now is when he's going to drop the hammer and all the Democrats from Obama on down are going to get carted off to Guantanamo?

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OK then


Government moves slowly, it's a matter of time and perhaps HRC or Obama or other folks attempt to stop the charges of treason from coming to fruition, but hey what can I say I was right about Mueller having nothing and providing nothing, 0 evidence of collusion.

Where do you want to draw the line Kirk? McCabe? Comey? Lynch? Rice? Yates? Clapper? Brennan? Where do you want to admit defeat?

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It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Kirk don’t be stupid obama campaigned saying he would shut down gitmo. He must have shut it down during his eight years. Right.....oh...wait

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It's illegal not to carry out a campaign promise?

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no unless it’s trump

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There have been nearly two hundred separate charges brought by this bogus investigation. There could be hundreds more as various parts of the Mueller probe have been passed off to various FBI offices and seventeen investigations of Trump are ongoing. We already know that the Trump campaign met various Russians over a hundred times for various reasons. The only thing Barr has rules out is that no Trump people colluded with the Russian government or its agencies, not that collusion didn't take place between the Trump people and Russians. It did! And a lot of those meetings are under investigation by various FBI offices.

I'm not asking for dates and times and never have. You're saying definitively that a bunch of high ranking people from Obama on down are going to be facing charges. I say they won't. So far we have twenty dollars on that. Let's make it two thousand dollars.

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Let's take a gander at these "nearly two hundred separate charges" shall we? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3266050002/

So AGAIN that's 0 for Russian collusion.


"I never ask for dates"

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So now is when he's going to drop the hammer and all the Democrats from Obama on down are going to get carted off to Guantanamo?

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OK then


Government moves slowly, it's a matter of time and perhaps HRC or Obama or other folks attempt to stop the charges of treason from coming to fruition, but hey what can I say I was right about Mueller having nothing and providing nothing, 0 evidence of collusion.

Where do you want to draw the line Kirk? McCabe? Comey? Lynch? Rice? Yates? Clapper? Brennan? Where do you want to admit defeat?

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It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Kirk don’t be stupid obama campaigned saying he would shut down gitmo. He must have shut it down during his eight years. Right.....oh...wait

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It's illegal not to carry out a campaign promise?

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no unless it’s trump

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What campaign promise did Trump make that was illegal?

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It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Yes I recall mentioning the indictments....I also recall mentioning that Mueller has nothing and that there wouldn't be any indictments for Russian Collusion and what do you know? I'm right about that.


The indictments will come and it'll be a shit ton of people you've never heard of and eventually it'll work all the way up the ladder.....I'm betting there will be a few suicides too and in some cases ;);) "suicides" https://variety.com/2019/music/news/...cs-1203171101/ .....who commits suicide when they have a book coming out? Curious no?



As for your $2,000 ...I don't even have $200 to spare but go right ahead hell make it $20,000 if you're so certain.

2 years of Mueller, then there's campaign finance investigations, then there's inaugural committee investigations, then there's House of Representatives 'Russia/Obstruction', then there's Security clearance investigations, tax returns investigations, then there's the Southern District of NY investigations.......to have found NOTHING and to KEEP finding NOTHING it's impressive. So either there's nothing there or the Democrats are inept.

I mean they are trying SOOOOO fucking hard to get anyone to roll on Trump....Paul Manafort in solitary confinement?!?!?! That dude might be dirty for failing to register under FARA (if he's guilty then UH OH the Podesta's are guilty too and they worked for HILLARY) but solitary? It seems excessive.


Kirkland I think you're wishing for results more than you're studying up on the facts of the cases. Donald Trump has survived the world of real estate development in NYC (and elsewhere) without getting got by eager prosecutors....it ain't gonna happen now. Especially with this bullshit "UH he ran for President but didn't want to win, but he colluded with the Russians to win, because Hillary was caught completely unaware by the Electoral College system, and so Trump ACCIDENTALLY became President but with the help of Russia"....it's insane and Trump has broke your fucking brain.

So Kirk if this whole investigation was about collusion and after mueller who you so oft and highly praised found absolutely no collusion despite you, the media, former intelligence officials screaming it was so obvious. Exactly what evidence was used to start the investigation and get wiretaps on an active opposing presidential campaign. Was it the dossier Hillary payed for that both Comey and Steele stated was not verified. An investigation like that wouldn’t be approved or kicked off at some mid level government agency. Did Hillary collude or was it just opposition research which don junior gets take over the coals for. Now you Kirk you bought this bullshit since day one. Do you feel duped. Were you lied to or was everyone just wrong. I saw Maddow crying about the results, were you. And you never answered what is your obsession on this and why do you not comment on the Brexit thread since it has potential grave financial implications for your country men and yet you never enter the thread to ease their respective concerns as I am sure you have accurate view on that despite your abject failure on this Trump hunt

Funny when I mentioned campaign promises not being fufilled you mention it is not a crime but two years into trumps term you are already attacking him on that. You are either a troll, stupid, gullible or all the above

McCabe-Page texts reveal high-level intel meeting after 2016 election
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcc...-2016-election


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Want some collusion Kirk? There you have it DEEP STATE collusion right fucking there....add in the Fusion GPS ties to everyone in the Russiagate conspiracy and boy that wraps up in a nice little package.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...eller-failures

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Hey Kirkland.... On Donald Trump Jr meeting with "the Russians" please note said Russians worked for (checks notes)....FUSION GPS the same Fusion GPS who started the Dossier to begin with.

But I'm absolutely certain you can explain that away

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The Trump tower meeting was with at least one Russian government agent. The wife of Russia's AG.

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That broad got a name?

Here's the list of folks involved as far as I can tell: Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, Natalia Veselnitskaya (Fusion GPS), Rinat Akhmetshin, Rob Goldstone, & Irakly "Ike" Kaveladze

That's it and none of those people are Yelena Chaika who is the wife of Yuri Chaika Prosecutor General (their version of Attorney General) of Russia.


So are you confused or lying or what?

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There have been nearly two hundred separate charges brought by this bogus investigation. There could be hundreds more as various parts of the Mueller probe have been passed off to various FBI offices and seventeen investigations of Trump are ongoing. We already know that the Trump campaign met various Russians over a hundred times for various reasons. The only thing Barr has rules out is that no Trump people colluded with the Russian government or its agencies, not that collusion didn't take place between the Trump people and Russians. It did! And a lot of those meetings are under investigation by various FBI offices.

I'm not asking for dates and times and never have. You're saying definitively that a bunch of high ranking people from Obama on down are going to be facing charges. I say they won't. So far we have twenty dollars on that. Let's make it two thousand dollars.

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Let's take a gander at these "nearly two hundred separate charges" shall we? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3266050002/

So AGAIN that's 0 for Russian collusion.


"I never ask for dates"

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So now is when he's going to drop the hammer and all the Democrats from Obama on down are going to get carted off to Guantanamo?

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OK then


Government moves slowly, it's a matter of time and perhaps HRC or Obama or other folks attempt to stop the charges of treason from coming to fruition, but hey what can I say I was right about Mueller having nothing and providing nothing, 0 evidence of collusion.

Where do you want to draw the line Kirk? McCabe? Comey? Lynch? Rice? Yates? Clapper? Brennan? Where do you want to admit defeat?

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It's months ago now so you won't be able to remember but back then there were supposedly tens of thousands of sealed indictments of deep staters waiting to be unsealed when Trump gave the go ahead. None of these people are going to be found to be in any deep state conspiracy Lyle. Let's bet two thousand dollars on the outcome.

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Kirk don’t be stupid obama campaigned saying he would shut down gitmo. He must have shut it down during his eight years. Right.....oh...wait

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It's illegal not to carry out a campaign promise?

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If you are going to campaign on something then you logically should provide that promise considering people likely voted for it. Now if it is something that bankrupts a country or what have you then so be it, but that is why campaigns should be logical and within reason and promises ultimately there to be implemented.

I'll get back to all this nonsense later. Right now it turns out they're not even going to release a redacted version of the Mueller report, they're going to release a summary written by the AG who was handpicked by Trump due to his track record with the Iran Contra special counsel and his position that a sitting prsident can't be charged with obstruction:

Beyond those bottom-line conclusions, Mr. Mueller’s full report has yet to be released, and it remained unclear if it ever would be. House Democrats have demanded that it be sent to them by next Tuesday, but the Justice Department outlined a longer schedule, saying that it will have its own summary ready to send to lawmakers within weeks, though not months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/u...watergate.html



If the Mueller report actually exonerated Trump it would already have been released. Instead we get two partial sentences. Good job the Democrats have subpoena power.

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i'll get back to all this nonsense later. Right now it turns out they're not even going to release a redacted version of the mueller report, they're going to release a summary written by the ag who was handpicked by trump due to his track record with the iran contra special counsel and his position that a sitting prsident can't be charged with obstruction:

beyond those bottom-line conclusions, mr. Mueller’s full report has yet to be released, and it remained unclear if it ever would be. House democrats have demanded that it be sent to them by next tuesday, but the justice department outlined a longer schedule, saying that it will have its own summary ready to send to lawmakers within weeks, though not months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/u...watergate.html



if the mueller report actually exonerated trump it would already have been released. Instead we get two partial sentences. Good job the democrats have subpoena power.

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I'll get back to all this nonsense later. Right now it turns out they're not even going to release a redacted version of the Mueller report, they're going to release a summary written by the AG who was handpicked by Trump due to his track record with the Iran Contra special counsel and his position that a sitting prsident can't be charged with obstruction:

Beyond those bottom-line conclusions, Mr. Mueller’s full report has yet to be released, and it remained unclear if it ever would be. House Democrats have demanded that it be sent to them by next Tuesday, but the Justice Department outlined a longer schedule, saying that it will have its own summary ready to send to lawmakers within weeks, though not months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/u...watergate.html



If the Mueller report actually exonerated Trump it would already have been released. Instead we get two partial sentences. Good job the Democrats have subpoena power.

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God this is sad Kirkland


They've got to redact Grand Jury testimony as it's required by law. They've got to redact for "sources and methods" as well. The government doesn't turn on a dime you fucking idiot, it doesn't operate at the whims of some jackass from another country....but apparently THE LAW isn't good enough for Kirkland :shakehead:

The report will be released in a few weeks, people are wanting the report so they can glom on to whatever insane theory they'll spout off for the next wild goose chase. They are an angry mob in search of a crime Trump is guilty of. Trump just being Trump is too much for them to handle....he's broken your minds and you cannot handle the reality we're currently living in.

The Barr summary of the Mueller Report states "no Russian collusion from Trump or his campaign OR any other Americans" AND ROD ROSENSTEIN (who himself signed phony FISA warrants to start this facade) SIGNED OFF ON IT TOO! As for obstruction that's the Attorney General's call and AG Barr said "No obstruction"...Kirkland, you're hoping and wishing for things that never happened and as an actual honest to God American I find that in very poor taste.

The Democrats aren't going to like what they find if they dig long enough....they're going to find an abuse of power and intelligence the likes of which we've never seen before in the history of this nation and an attempted coup for which necks will snap! I for one am fucking tired of this charade and if not for my belief in the rule of law and the goodness of my fellow citizens I (and millions of others) would be ready to gather up the traitors, hold a trial, and hang them immediately after they are found guilty. Obama and Hillary have played a dangerous game and they continue losing...it's only a matter of time before they suffer the consequences of their treasonous actions.

Here Kirk let’s start following trumps competition

Biden squarely blamed white people for Clarence Thomas being believed over Anita Hill.

“They were a bunch of white guys,” he said. “No, I mean it sincerely, a bunch of white guys hearing this testimony in the Senate Judiciary Committee. So when Anita Hill, when Anita Hill came to testify, she faced a committee that didn’t fully understand what the hell is all about. To this day I regret I couldn’t come up with a way to get a kind of hearing she deserved, given the courage she showed by reaching out to us. The hearing she deserved was a hearing where she was respected, where the tone and the questioning was not hostile and as sullied, where the fact that she stepped forward was recognized as an act of courage in and of itself. Because let’s face it, back in 1991 it took a lot of courage to take on a man who was so much a part of the establishment and the power structure.”

Clearly white people are bad. Wasn’t Clarence Thomas Black, I think he still is. Crazy Joe makes no sense

https://news.grabien.com/story-biden...e-mans-culture