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The church throughout history has been a often corrupt and always worldly institution populated by men with their own agendas and desire for power. I don't see how people committing wrongs in the name of God disproves God any more than nations waging war over oil disproves the existence of oil. ???Quote:
Originally Posted by NotGuilty136
God, like oil, like money is one of the most powerful forces in this world and people constantly fight with each other over their own claims to God, and ultimately power. For Copernicus to be relevent at all in proving or disproving the existence of God then his discoveries would have to be at variance with what was written in the bible, they are not.
As for people being more gullible in the past, again they really wern't. Your examples could just as easiliy be replicated today, just watch any television channel and you'll hear stories of people who were abducted by aliens, had out of body experiences, saw a ghostly vision or had a premonition of the future. As for the plague being caused by God's wrath, I actually think much of the world's ills are caused by sin, not a direct act of vengeance by a cruel God but rather the inevitable consuequences of slipping further and futher away from God.
Just because we can understand weather patterns and climate change doesn't mean there isn't a more powerful force behind it.
If I move my arm scientists can explain the action in terms of muscle contraction, electrical impulses from the brain, blood flow etc but they cannot detect the overriding reason for my arm moving, namely that I willed it.
Besides even in the current age even scientists can be guilty of stupid thinking at times. Just a few years the National Geographic went with a front page article, of a fossil dinosaur bird that proved finally and beyond all doubt that birds were descended from therapods (dinosaurs), it turned out to be a deliberate hoax by a Chinese fisherman who had carefully composited two seperate fossils together.
Much of the evidence presented for evolution at the Scopes Monkey trial consisted of Piltdown man, a fake, Nebraska man, actually the tooth of a pig and Ernest Haekels pictures of Embryonic Recapitutalion, again faked, so it seems that even scientists fall for stupid things sometimes ;)
Finally regarding the contest between Elisha and the prohpets of Baal, Elisha was a prophet sent by God for that specific purpose. It was a miraculous intervention and demonstration of God's power. If you actually read the bible you would see that it is not full of miraculous events that happen all the time, but that they are extremely rare often seperated by hundreds of years.
You may think that ancient man saw miracles on a daily basis but the bible doesn't report this. The world is devoid of miracles until those times when God intervenes. Jesus had just as many doubters in his own age trust me.
I thought Scrap started this thread ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
"god" isn't all powerful and the numbers scientists are trying to shove down peoples throats are inaccurate. Accept that.
It got merged after a while...I started the UFO's & Ghosts.....I believe Scrap started a UFO topic......either way I am happy to have been a part of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Too many "gods" for their to be an actual god imo. The ancient egyptians had many gods, well if we look at it in a catholic sense than those poor fucks got everything wrong ay. ;D Like notguilty said, god supposedly used to show off back then so why not now. I would read the bible bilbo but harry potter is made up as well and its a better read ;D
We are in purgatory ,crap rises to the top and we are purged of it through each other (even in posts like this one) :) .
If anyone thinks GOD is ONLY A king like thing that sits and states this will occur that wont occur ,your sick ,your not,this happens that doesnt; control of all things type without moving from a point of view and is stuck in one way of thinking/judging. Then you are trapped into a way of thought that will compound your guilt until until you crack and come open and eventually free up in all areas of your own be-ing.
If you only belive in only what you can see ,feel and hear physically.then the same applies you will experience just that, until your so sickened by it that you will eventually crack up,come open and free up in all areas of your be-ing.
AS above So below.
If you belive that your only going to experience a black void when your dead, guess what?
Thats what you will experience.
Until you realize that "hey Im experiencing nothing ,a black void ..then you will do so until you
realize that . ."I AM". And off you go again from the point of realization.
As above so below.what you belive is what you get,until a new form of realization dawns within you ,then you EVOLVE a bit more.
All set principales are massive traps but they are also like time eggs that are coocoons that you have to at some time break free from and 'change out of.'
The very first chapters of the bible tell you that there were people already out side of Eden outside of the Family of Adam that his son married into! Think about that.A new type of people and an old type of people that blended and mixed. (feel the color.)
Bones dug out of Mother Earth prove that evolution actually occurs, proves that other life forms have been tried out here before us, evolution is a tool of the living GOD but its just a name we dropped on a proceedure.
Why should one disprove the other?
They are one and the same.
The fact that some of us try to make things better for others proves that we are still evolving in a direction and others who wish to destroy are evolving in other directions.
God has absolutly no control over whether ((( I ))) decide to go and jump on a plane and fly over to kill ((( Lyle ))) for starting this thread or if i decide to sit here and enjoy this flu that God didnt give me becuse Im a naughty boy ; instead.
(freedom of choice) is the Universal rule no #1 of expansion through LOVE.
But if I choose to give (MY time) over to the Mother /Father of all Creation then and only then does God move to have a consiuss say in what will occur in the renewed...(OUR time).
The greatest gift you have been given is the illusion time, to try and find what your looking for outside of yourselves.
In the outer search mankind has placed all things outside of themselves even accountability for their own actions.
Jesus Christ cant be found in history books because his name was actually Yeshua Ben Josheph.
The Greeks put in the J and the rest because they cant pronunce Y and some Aramaic letter combinations yod yeh etc.
There have been many CHristed beings that have come here to teach the way home for you.
Non of them were Christ or the only son of God ,these claims were made by followers at later dates in latter wriitings.
Yeshua taught accountabilty for your own actions and consequnces for your own actions .
HE stated in the bible "dont call me Christ" but look what they did!
,Jesusha pointed at the Mother/father of all creation/ Followers called him CHrist and point at him as a savior!!! Placing accountability outside again and stopping all spiritual progress.
The jews when in the desert for those 40 years got all the 5 tribes together and made a man made dicision they needed to combine their belifes so they could become strong and not be persecuted THEY created the ONE LORD GOD. This is written belive it.
how could the GOD of all LOVE possibly be the LORD GOD of isreal who is jealous ,wrath full ,etc etc .
Those things dont fit inside LOVE.
The ONE true GOD of ALL THINGS allows those things ,that is all!
If you can be bothered reading this it will set you free from many traps.
The Head of all False Religions!
The Roman Catholic Church has just publicly stated that it is the only true religion!
Right, let’s look at just the facts throughout history just for a start: No wonder the so called light bearers of this planet are still scared to use even the name God.
The Catholics via Roman authority changed the date of ‘Yeshuas’ (Jesus) birthday to suit their pre existing Roman calendar holiday . They changed the book other religions work from.
They placed themselves (as a church) in between women men and God!
They teach that they have Gods power to absolve your sins for either money or other penance type deeds!
History proves they burnt, tortured, maimed and killed not only women and men but their children too, if anyone refused to follow the Universal Churches way, all by decree of the Pope and the following evil inquisitions. This they did in order to firstly steal the Knights templar moneys and properties; then they continued the mass murders in an attempt to destroy all of the practitioners of the sacred meditations and healing gifts from God and the above dimensions. No wonder the so called light bearers of this planet are still scared to use even the name God. They removed the people and the documents related to Sacred Practices that prove all things are equal in the Divine Creators vision and that you may ascend or descend into which ever dimension suits your personal state of being. No rules, just guidelines and consequences for actions. These truths they attempted to destroy or hide, along with the open revelations in the Gospel of Thomas concerning the equal power God emits and allows the female side of all life and love extending through this 3rd and all other dimensions back up to the 12th. Do not get mixed up with the ‘Lord God ‘and the One True Creator God of All that is. The Lord God idea was born through a human agreement by the leaders of the split tribes of one nation seeking to come back together as is written in the scriptures. The Church is referred to as ‘She’ in the scriptures and countries are portrayed by their emblems as in The Eagle, Dragon etc not to be confused with the dragons and eagles Ascended masters of the upper dimensions.
The people are related to as ‘the sea’ or multitudes not to mixed up with an actual ocean.
In the book of Revelations it states; ‘she will be given power over all nations’! That power is not given by God, but by the dark side. God allows us our freedom of choice and its consequences. Deceit is the very first power which stems from the dark side. The Catholic Church was born out of deceit by the use of deceptive measures through changes to some scriptures and the total disregard of other scriptures; their power was born out of that deceit. Then the Church joined with The French king and pillaged the Lombard’s wealth, knowledge and lives in order to gain more control. It has been proven by all sides involved that the documents pertaining to this private war against good men and women folk were all forgeries; so here it is proven that their wealth came through deceit also and their power increased through more murders through out history not only towards outsiders with more pure faith but murders of some well intentioned popes and clergy within their own ranks as has also been documented in their own history.
Revelations warns us all that the number of the beast shall add up to 666.
The popes Latin title which sits under his name, means "Representative of the Son of God". In Latin is “Vicarius Filii Dei”. Simply add up and use their own ‘Roman numerical numbers’ counting the C as 100, D as 500, L as 50, V and U as fives, the I's as one and you will get your warning clearly; the name of the man 666,Given to you by scripture and delivered to you in their own ‘Roman’ numerals!
The beast was given, a "mouth speaking great things and blasphemies” and would” make war with the saints and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindred’s, and tongues, and nations"Rev. 13:5, 7.. Meaning that during this period the beast would blaspheme, persecute, and have great authority.
The Vatican is its own country! It claims power over all nations and now; all authority over all religions, that is all men women and Children. Once again she is exercising her dominance or trying to exert her false powers.
Beast: In Biblical prophecy, a beast is a symbol of a king or kingdom. "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings ... the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom ..." Daniel 7:17, 23. With this beast, we are seeing a unique kingdom for it is not only a political power but a religious one as well, because people "worshipped the beast" Rev. 13:4.
The beast persecuted real Christian practitioners during a period of 1260 years, Scripture tells us that days will equal years regarding prophecies. 42 months was mentioned, look for the dates in history ,add it up for yourselves. Logic alone and heart felt agony for all those involved tells us that; real wolves in sheeps clothing are first and foremost pedophile priests.
As for her blasphemous actions, the Roman Catholic Church has committed the most blasphemous act of all. She altered the very laws of ancient scripture- the Ten Commandments. She dared to cancel the second commandment altogether, for it condemned her own false practices and rituals concerning idol worship. Worse, she changed the day of worship in the Fourth Commandment from Saturday to Sunday. Soon they (the four beasts together) will mark foreheads and force by law people to work on Saturdays ‘the real Sabbath’ and this will be the last sign and the last straw, so be ready to resist and stay in the light.
Now re read Revelations and you will see with eyes that really see the meaning behind; “They worshiped the beast”. Even though The Universal Church tried to remove the true inner private meditative way back to God and although they tried to remove all the practitioners of these ways from the face of Gods earth, they have still failed.
They edited the New Testament to suit their own need for power and money but they didn’t get all of the truth out from the scriptures.
Now read (Luke 11:52) with eyes that really see; Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
You are all the blessed fruit of the Creative force known as the Unconditional God of love; let no man or church hold you back or put you in your place.
The truth does exist in the scriptures just as good people do exist within the Catholic Religion, but you have to search hard for them.
Most western religions use the same New Testament works that the Roman Universal Church edited and changed .Therefore most Religions teach that God is outside of you and you have to go through (them) to get to God. This is the outer approach and it is designed to give you the feeling that your power is outside of your control and it goes even further now and allows you to place your accountability for your actions outside of yourselves onto a false savior through Christianity.
That is false teaching and it is from the dark side because it is a serpentine truth. That means there is some truth in it; so that it can feel right if you so allow it. He did path the way and he does stand in victory over darkness and he did state “don’t call me Christ” .So what have they done? “You are the living Christ and we are Christians”. Jeshua pointed directly at God and directly at you. IF you now point at him you miss his teaching and his reason for penetrating this dimension and showing you the way out.
But half truths are not the truth and the truth is that You are a part of God extended into the third dimension so that you can experience consciousness’ and being as a separate unit so that you can become your true self in that light and in that love. Jeshua Ben Joseph came here to complete a study and a physical body ascension and path ‘a way up’. The name Jesus is from the Greek translation of Yeshua because they could not pronounce Y, so they put in their J which was as close as they had to the sound, Yeh or yah. So the next translations carried it on from that point onwards as Jesus, which he lovingly answers to freely at this point in time. Christ is the shortened part of the name for a Christed being or Christed one ;( one who lives in unconditional love All ways and always within all actions and among all others without judgment).Now re read with eyes that see; Woe unto you, lawyers! For ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. (Luke 11:52).So Meditate, go within and ask for the nameless one, the Divine Creator, God of all that is; to be there with you in this your moment. Find your Christed self and live in Unconditional love and stop placing your accountability for your actions outside of yourselves as the dark side has directed. Then you will be with your Jesus, you will be with Yeshua, you will be with Buddha, Shiva, Saint Germain and all the others who choose Christed –being above separation from others; never in judgment. God is consciously with you all, more so within you all , as soon as you choose to forgive all things and move out unconditionally in acceptance of each persons personal or group ascension process whether it be singular or multilevel dimensional ; wish for it, it is yours already.
This topic really made a sharp turn away from UFO's and spirits. If there's still room for discussion I'd like to join in tomorrow. I'm afraid if I start right now I'll lose a couple hours of sleep. :D
Still haven't come about with an answer of where true existance came from. Even "god"'s level of consciousness had to be predated by something that is truely unexplainable.
Other than that, i believe its possible to become 5D with the mental capacity we have been given but it is a very tough process.
It can be done of course bro;but only from within yourself and not just mentally,thats too dangerous so is just physically trying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotGuilty136
only way it is done that safley takes you there whole is via unconditional love which allows you to vibrate at the correct frequency to be able to enjoy the experience of it. The barriers are protective and they are built in.
But we made up the dates in 'predate' so its impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotGuilty136
It has to have (always have just been all ways .) expanding in free form throughout a void.
The ego is a strong squelcher, it keeps a lot of people from seeing the bigger picture.
This thread is getting insane ;D
Nice copy and past job there Andre but honestly I don't really know what you asre talking about. The Catholic church in times past was corrupt? Get out of here ::**
Any man made institution will ALWAYS be corrupt because, as the bible says 'man's thoughts are only evil continually, there are none that do good, no not one.'
I don't even know what you are talking about saying Christianity requires a mediator between man and God, the whole entire point of the bible was that salvation is through faith alone. The Catholic Church tried to keep a monopoly on salvation but that pretty much came to an end with Martin Luther and William Tyndale 500 years or so ago ;)
As for such things as celebrating Christ's birthday, there is no biblical record of when his birthday was so nobody knows.
Decemeber 25th was chosen as the date to celebrate his birth to counter the pagan festivals going on at that time. It was seen as an attempt to reshape the contemporary culture for good. In effect what the early Christians were doing was making a statement. As their contemporaries were worshipping the sun during their Pagan festivals Christians were boldly proclaiming their own worship of the true Sun, the Son of the God.
Your trying to twist things to make Christianity sound as if it had Pagan origins is just a complete fallacy. They were a counter movement.
As to your earlier post well bones dug out of the earth have painted a pretty damning picture of how evolution is NOT occuring, you may need to update your knowledge of evolution in that regard, the current evolutionary biologists are busy trying to explain how evolution occurs WITHOUT leaving a trace in the fossil record rather than using the fossil record as evidence to support evolution.
Besides bones dug up don't show that earlier life was different, it just shows that there has been an awful lot of extinctions in the course of earth's history, a sign of entropy, decay and decline rather than evolution.
Dinosaurs are now seen mostly as warm blooded, quick, agile and intelligent, completely counter to how evolutionary theory would seem to suggest they should be. There a literally thousands of living fossils, creatures that were around in dinosaur times and in many cases long before, and that still exist today, and they all remain completely unchanged. Quite curious how the Coelocanth fish which actually dates back 400 MILLION years way before the time of the dinosaurs has been found alive and well in the last century and is completely unchanged. So in the time that fish crawled onto the land, became amphibions, then dinosaurs, then birds or mammals, apes and finally man this poor fish has stayed EXACTLY the same. Talk about poor job promotion prospects ::**
It's staggering that this fish isn't headline news as it provides more evidence against evolution than all the mass of evidence supposedly in support of it combined. However it doesn't fit the theory very well so nobody mentions it much, instead preferring to 'prove' to us that evolution is real because they found a bird 40 million years old with teeth, even though 'modern' bird fossils have been found dating another 50 million years earlier ???
As for Jesus being called Jeshua, your point is? The bible has been translated into hundreds of languages of course it's not the same in each one. I expect in China his name is actually a few symbols, ooh imagine that!
The five tribes in the desert were actually 13, although two were later merged so it became the 12 tribes of Isreal. Not sure where you got 5 but whatever.
The very first chapter in the bible does NOT say there were children outside the Garden of Eden but again whatever.
God has no control over whether you jump on a plane and kill Lyle? This seems contradictory to your own arguments about how we shouldn't just believe what our five senses report. God is control of the whole of history. If you want proof, just read the bible, read about God's nation Isreal and how he created them, how they would His own people, a peculiar nation to stand as a witness to the whole earth of God's actions and intervention IN history and then go and study their actual history.
Biblical prophecies regarding Isreal are still coming true today. Teams of Jewish scholars already had penciled in the date that the Jews would get Isreal back after two thousand years scattered amongst the gentiles. The date they would receive Jerusalem back was a known date, written down by Zionists over a hundred years before.
Anyway I feel I am wasting my time discussing this further so I'll leave it there for now.