Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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OVERRATTED??? Oh like your Boy Wlad Klit??? Yea thats him Mr China chin himself...Ruler of the paper division. 8) Man Lyle your hypocrisy knows no bounds sometimes...
You rag on Floyds style but your so fast to point out Willie Pep being a G.O.A.T and PFP one of the best ever.... and he admited himself This coming out of Willie Peps Mouth and I Quote
" MY FIGHT STYLE.. HE WHO HITS AND RUNS AWAY LIVES TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY....SO THATS WHAT I DID FOR 29 YEARS, I TRIED TO HIT AND RUN....I GOT AWAY WITH IT"
So one fighter you like fights a certain way but another does a little of the same and you diss him..... ::**
To call Mayweather OVERATTED, is not just ridiculous but total insanity...I mean C'mon man
I have not called Wladimir an all-time great
Yes I think of Willie Pep as one of the P4P greatest of all time HOWEVER...he used his defense more than his legs.
Willie Pep was never lackluster, he was never boring, he didn't put fans to sleep....Floyd does that, Floyd doesn't feint and bob and weave too much....Floyd Mayweather Jr lays back in his little philly shell defense and waits.....or he runs around.
Willie Pep was active in the ring and when he outclassed someone he worked hard to do it, to do his best....if he could KO them, he did it. Floyd doesn't even TRY....why pay the guy any money if he's not even going to try.
Willie Pep also met challenges....Sandy Sadler anyone??? And that was AFTER a life threatening plane crash!!!!
Floyd has done F*** all with the talent he has!
Yea at 28 he such a colossal waste of talent ::** Also you are so completely wrong and shows you know zip about Mayweather.... Philly Shell??? Oh yea cause he fought Baldomir hurt his hand and decided to humiliate Baldomir and make him look like Frankenstein for the last 6 rounds...Basically beating him with one hand tied behind his back...
and That was 1 Friggin match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me who he fought and ran???? He has one hell of a Ko percentage for being a runner.... Your just hating Lyle....
You got 0 to back up any of this up.....
Floyd is an exceptional Feinter and bobs and weaves better than anyone since he has turned pro especially on the ropes... Get over it man ::**
I have t9o disagree and say that James Toney is the best fighter in the last 20 years to fight off the ropes
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
James Toney is not even close to as good as Mayweather defensively off the ropes or anywhere... he got hit alot more.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
OVERRATTED??? Oh like your Boy Wlad Klit??? Yea thats him Mr China chin himself...Ruler of the paper division. 8) Man Lyle your hypocrisy knows no bounds sometimes...
You rag on Floyds style but your so fast to point out Willie Pep being a G.O.A.T and PFP one of the best ever.... and he admited himself This coming out of Willie Peps Mouth and I Quote
" MY FIGHT STYLE.. HE WHO HITS AND RUNS AWAY LIVES TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY....SO THATS WHAT I DID FOR 29 YEARS, I TRIED TO HIT AND RUN....I GOT AWAY WITH IT"
So one fighter you like fights a certain way but another does a little of the same and you diss him..... ::**
To call Mayweather OVERATTED, is not just ridiculous but total insanity...I mean C'mon man
I have not called Wladimir an all-time great...and the fact you always bring me being a fan of his up to debunk my point of view is sorry and just goes to show you have NO argument against me....."but but but you like Wladimir".....yeah and what does it have to do with FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR......at least Wlad stepped up to the plate and fought some challenges in his career!
Yes I think of Willie Pep as one of the P4P greatest of all time HOWEVER...he used his defense more than his legs.
Willie Pep was never lackluster, he was never boring, he didn't put fans to sleep....Floyd does that, Floyd doesn't feint and bob and weave too much....Floyd Mayweather Jr lays back in his little philly shell defense and waits.....or he runs around.
Willie Pep was active in the ring and when he outclassed someone he worked hard to do it, to do his best....if he could KO them, he did it. Floyd doesn't even TRY....why pay the guy any money if he's not even going to try.
Willie Pep also met challenges....Sandy Saddler anyone??? And that was AFTER a life threatening plane crash!!!!
Floyd has done F*** all with the talent he has!
AND TO COMPARE FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR TO WILLIE PEP IS OUTRIGHT BLASPHEMY!
Floyd Mayweather would have destroyed WIllie Pep in the ring... He is faster, better defensive, and a way better fighter to say otherwise is Blasphemy. Floyd met Corrales who was his biggest challenge, then Castillo, and then Gatti, Judah, Baldomir(welterweight champ and hardest opposition after Judah at the weight). NOw he facing ODLH hows that for a challenge. If you can't see that Floyd doesn't need to faint because he is such a superior boxer... he is so fast and accurate he doesn't need to set anything up. Did Floyd sit around against Gatti? Ndou? Burton? Chavez? Hernandez?.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
Oh yeah and not punching for a round is some of the greatest examples of an exciting slugfest I've ever witnessed.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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What did I say? Anyone worth a damn before the 14th. Let's not try to put Donnie and Ayub in the same category with Pretty Boy.
I don't think he is putting LaLonde in the same catagory as Mayweather...But with you getting over your soap box preaching and dismissing everyone elses statements but yours why don't you read the point!!!!
He said good fighters...LaLonde was pretty good...and just in case you forgot...IT WAS AT LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT!!!!!!!!
Floyd lacks KO power at 147 let alone 4 divisions above....
and if you say Floyd can KO a top light heavy then you lose all credibility on any post from here on out.....even PBF most die hard fans would not make that statement
Point out where I said Floyd had more power than Ray and then come talk to me. Until then, shut the f@#k up! Thank you and goodbye ;)
I don't think I ever said you did say that did I? But no again ou do not read correctly and understand what people are saying. The power was just a point. A point that witout any real speed advantage and no power advantage Floyd is the underdog...CAN YOU UNDERSTAND NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I don't know who you are telling to shut the F%$# up you little piss ant....Maybe if you weren't so illiterate things would not have to be broken down to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I S*&% out more boxing knowledge in the morning than you do now or could ever hope to have so come back when you grow up and can act like a big boy. Till then head on to a pro wrestling site it doesn't matter what you say in those forums its all bullshit anyway
Hmm... with less of a speed advantage over Zab, Mayweather was able to still not be an underdog, so what are you trying to say that? Speed is important, but hardly the be all and end all when to people are relatively close in speed.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Lyle its that simple cc
Its not that simple.. Boxing isn't rudimentary mathematics. 1+1= don't necessarily equal 2.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Originally Posted by right_cross
A comment by Scrap made me realize that alot of guys may havent seen much of Leonard. If they did, they probobly saw clips of his fights with Hearns and Hagler. Those fights dont give a true representation of Leonards style. Against Hearns, Ray had to go outside his fight plan to get to Hearns. Against Hagler, he fought in the only style that would give him a chance against Marvin.
Here is clip of Ray against a tough Brit named Davey "Boy" Green. Granted, I dont classify Green as a great welter, but dare I say I put him a notch above the Gatti and Baldomir that Floyd has faced recently.
Its a nice display of footwork, combos, speed and power. I think you'll dig it. :)
Nice footage.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6__DmwNFTfU
If any of you guys could work the magic of bringing the youtube screen up, I'd appreciate it. Me not to smart. :-[
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
Oh Damn! This is a heated thread! :o
Ray man!!!! EASY! Too easy to pick! haha
If you pick Floyd, you have some SERIOUS explaining to do.
To whom it may concern, "HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN LEONARD HEARNS I?!!!"
Ray was as fast, if not FASTER than Floyd.
Floyd's speed isn't that special, look at the Judah fight.
NOBODY did FLURRIES like Ray, ever in the sport. Sure Jones Jr. had combinations and Ali had great flurries for a heavyweight.... but we are talking FLURRIES!
The POWER goes to Ray, EASY! Stamina, RAY always had more in the tank.
While Floyd was desperately running in the closing rounds against Castillo.
Leonard had Power in Every round, including the 15th.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Oh Damn! This is a heated thread! :o
Ray man!!!! EASY! Too easy to pick! haha
If you pick Floyd, you have some SERIOUS explaining to do.
To whom it may concern, "HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN LEONARD HEARNS I?!!!"
Ray was as fast, if not FASTER than Floyd.
Floyd's speed isn't that special, look at the Judah fight.
NOBODY did FLURRIES like Ray, ever in the sport. Sure Jones Jr. had combinations and Ali had great flurries for a heavyweight.... but we are talking FLURRIES!
The POWER goes to Ray, EASY! Stamina, RAY always had more in the tank.
While Floyd was desperately running in the closing rounds against Castillo.
Leonard had Power in Every round, including the 15th.
Leonard was naturally bigger then little Floyd also. The thing that needs to be remembered is that there is no way Floyd could run from Leonard he was far too quick on his feet to let anyone box rings around him.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Floyd Mayweather would have destroyed WIllie Pep in the ring... He is faster, better defensive, and a way better fighter to say otherwise is Blasphemy. Floyd met Corrales who was his biggest challenge, then Castillo, and then Gatti, Judah, Baldomir(welterweight champ and hardest opposition after Judah at the weight). NOw he facing ODLH hows that for a challenge. If you can't see that Floyd doesn't need to faint because he is such a superior boxer... he is so fast and accurate he doesn't need to set anything up. Did Floyd sit around against Gatti? Ndou? Burton? Chavez? Hernandez?.
At 126 Willie Pep beats damn near ANYONE, up to and including your beloved Floyd Mayweather JR.
Floyd didn't sit around vs Gatti, Ndou, Burton, Chavez, and Hernandez....but that's like saying "Well Ali didn't sit back vs George Logan, Don Warner and Sonny Banks"
if Floyd is GREAT then he's supposed to beat GOOD fighters with a little more ease than everyone else....the thing I have a problem with in regards to Floyd's career is that he never challeneged himself.
"I beat Gatti" well whoopty fuckin do you're supposed to Gatti was NEVER great and one could say he barely made it into the GOOD category.
Floyd fighting Oscar is AWESOME the fight should have been made a long time ago but to call it his last fight is BULLSHIT I will NEVER consider him great if he retires after winning or losing vs De la Hoya....yes he moved up and won titles. Did he unify? Did he fight and beat great fighters?
At 28 Floyd has done less than Mike Tyson did when he was 28....much less Willie Pep!
Diego Corrales although widley considered very good right now was very GREEN when Floyd fought him.....FIVE YEARS AGO.
Jose Luis Castillo is the only challenge Floyd has had to overcome and when he did that he got a gift decision and acted like a bitch "am I bleeding? Am I bleeding?".....in the rematch he improved that's what I expected from him and I was impressed.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Floyd Mayweather would have destroyed WIllie Pep in the ring... He is faster, better defensive, and a way better fighter to say otherwise is Blasphemy. Floyd met Corrales who was his biggest challenge, then Castillo, and then Gatti, Judah, Baldomir(welterweight champ and hardest opposition after Judah at the weight). NOw he facing ODLH hows that for a challenge. If you can't see that Floyd doesn't need to faint because he is such a superior boxer... he is so fast and accurate he doesn't need to set anything up. Did Floyd sit around against Gatti? Ndou? Burton? Chavez? Hernandez?.
At 126 Willie Pep beats damn near ANYONE, up to and including your beloved Floyd Mayweather JR.
Floyd didn't sit around vs Gatti, Ndou, Burton, Chavez, and Hernandez....but that's like saying "Well Ali didn't sit back vs George Logan, Don Warner and Sonny Banks"
if Floyd is GREAT then he's supposed to beat GOOD fighters with a little more ease than everyone else....the thing I have a problem with in regards to Floyd's career is that he never challeneged himself.
"I beat Gatti" well whoopty F****** do you're supposed to Gatti was
NEVER great and one could say he barely made it into the GOOD category.
Floyd fighting Oscar is AWESOME the fight should have been made a long time ago but to call it his last fight is BULLSHIT I will NEVER consider him great if he retires after winning or losing vs De la Hoya....yes he moved up and won titles. Did he unify? Did he fight and beat great fighters?
At 28 Floyd has done less than Mike Tyson did when he was 28....much less Willie Pep!
Diego Corrales although widley considered very good right now was very GREEN when Floyd fought him.....FIVE YEARS AGO.
Jose Luis Castillo is the only challenge Floyd has had to overcome and when he did that he got a gift decision and acted like a bitch "am I bleeding? Am I bleeding?".....in the rematch he improved that's what I expected from him and I was impressed.
Willie Pep beats Floyd Mayweather? cool click for making me laugh ;D
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Floyd started at 130....if the hypothetical fight happened at 130 I'd side with Pep eventhough he fought his whole career at 126...you don't get 230 wins by being average.
Yes 230 wins...you could give Floyd 20 more years of his prime and he still couldn't get that many wins and we're talking pre and post life threatening PLANE CRASH.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Floyd Mayweather would have destroyed WIllie Pep in the ring... He is faster, better defensive, and a way better fighter to say otherwise is Blasphemy. Floyd met Corrales who was his biggest challenge, then Castillo, and then Gatti, Judah, Baldomir(welterweight champ and hardest opposition after Judah at the weight). NOw he facing ODLH hows that for a challenge. If you can't see that Floyd doesn't need to faint because he is such a superior boxer... he is so fast and accurate he doesn't need to set anything up. Did Floyd sit around against Gatti? Ndou? Burton? Chavez? Hernandez?.
At 126 Willie Pep beats damn near ANYONE, up to and including your beloved Floyd Mayweather JR.
Floyd didn't sit around vs Gatti, Ndou, Burton, Chavez, and Hernandez....but that's like saying "Well Ali didn't sit back vs George Logan, Don Warner and Sonny Banks"
if Floyd is GREAT then he's supposed to beat GOOD fighters with a little more ease than everyone else....the thing I have a problem with in regards to Floyd's career is that he never challeneged himself.
"I beat Gatti" well whoopty F****** do you're supposed to Gatti was
NEVER great and one could say he barely made it into the GOOD category.
Floyd fighting Oscar is AWESOME the fight should have been made a long time ago but to call it his last fight is BULLSHIT I will NEVER consider him great if he retires after winning or losing vs De la Hoya....yes he moved up and won titles. Did he unify? Did he fight and beat great fighters?
At 28 Floyd has done less than Mike Tyson did when he was 28....much less Willie Pep!
Diego Corrales although widley considered very good right now was very GREEN when Floyd fought him.....FIVE YEARS AGO.
Jose Luis Castillo is the only challenge Floyd has had to overcome and when he did that he got a gift decision and acted like a bitch "am I bleeding? Am I bleeding?".....in the rematch he improved that's what I expected from him and I was impressed.
Very well said. Cool click. It's is absurd to compare Floyd to some of the greats from the past. Floyd cannot be mentioned in the same breath as a Leonard or Pep...and he never will. Are you people insane?! Floyd's resume is a JOKE for someone who claims that they want to be considered an all time great. He has not fought ONE GREAT fighter...PERIOD. Gatti?! Chavez?! Corrales?! Baldomir?! Judah?! Good fighters at best. Castillo was the best fighter he faced...and i for one do not think he is a truly GREAT fighter. People remember fighters who had defining moments in their careers. Floyd for all of his skill has no defining moment. No moment where you can point to and say it will be remembered for years to come. Whether the lack of an impressive resume is his fault or not...BOTTOM LINE...he doesn't have an impressive resume. So you all can rant and rave about his great skill, defense, blah, blah...and how be demolished the likes of GATTI...but please don't disrespect LEGENDS of the past by comparing them to Floyd. He just doesn't measure up.
Re: What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard
CC Zhubin. Castillo may not be great, but he is damn good. In one of the greatest fights of all time!
