Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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Originally Posted by Hous

Regardless of what anyone else thinks here the best name on Cottos resume is Paulie Malignaggi who didnt even fight Malignaggis fight because he felt the rinf was too small. Not Cottos fault but it does take abit away from his victory especially since Malignaggi is a featherfisted technitian, not a predatory brawler as he was against Cotto and still troubled him deeply.

Hatton beats Cotto and looks good doing it. Hatton has the style to beat Cotto.

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You don't know what you are talking about.
People like yourself make me sick.
You have maybe watched one or two Cotto fights and you attack him and you speak with no solid or concrete foundation.

There are a grip of people on here just like yourself who have only Seen Tony Margarito fight once and are now talking mad trash in that area too.

I know of one person who has only watched one Ricky Hatton fight and today he acts like he knows everything about Ricky Hatton.

The thread reads Ricky vs Cotto @ 147 not @ 140
Unfortunately for Ricky and his fans, Ricky Hatton feels he can not hack it @ 147 and that is why he moved back down to 140.
Since Ricky Hatton feels he himself can not hang at 147 what makes you folks think he can? No logic in any of your arguments.

Cotto was having trouble at 140 and @ 147 He is looking very good.
I guess Cotto could not hack it at 140 anymore but Cotto never lost and has yet to win by any controversial deciosions.

Quote from DOUGIE:
"Cotto crushed Quintana, he beat the fifth undefeated fighter in his 28-fight career. So far he has won two world titles in two weight classes, and he’s defeated five former or future world title holders."

I give an edge to Ricky Hatton @ 140 because Cotto struggled, it's true. But for the most part, he was still beating fools azzes. But this thread is not about Cotto/Hatton @ 140

I give a huge edge to Cotto @ 147 which is what this thread is about becuase Cotto is refreshed and very strong as a Welter. Cotto's chin held up nicely in the brawl, (But I think he got his nose broken) Cotto was a work horse at 147. Ricky got his ass kicked at 147 and could not close the deal. Did you see Ricky's face after he faught Collazo? Uh huh! lol there are many who say Ricky lost and got a gift. No one has ever given anything to Cotto. He has never gotten a gift.
Did you see Paulies face when Cotto kicked his ass @140? Uh huh! There were a few things that save Paulie. Cotto had a boxers fracture and Paulie was only thowing one, two's and then clintching/grabbing and holding on. At the end of the fight what did Paulie say? He said I got my ass kicked. Broken nose, broken jaw, internal bleeding and that was Miguel fighting him with one hand ;D

Now we can even go back and look at some of those fighters that Cotto destroyed.
Here are a couple of fighters that Floyd Mayweather could not destroy.
Victoriano Sosa and DeMarcus Corley. Cotto made these men look like biatches.

In closing, if people thought that Cotto was good @140, then they are going to think he is pure dynomite @147.
Cotto will be on peoples top 10 P4P list in late 2008 :lickish:

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Nice,CC in 24...

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Originally Posted by Steelie

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I didn't say he beats anyone,merely Hatton

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Allow me some artistic licence...I'm referring to the tone of the board ;)

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Well Hatton didn't look comfortable at the weight and JUST ABOUT got the W,didn't you expect more?

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Of course...we all expected Ricky to blast through him.

As for th others:

Maussa - Do me a favour ;D

Sosa - Past it, came up from lightweight

N'dou - Lovemore had Miguel running in the later rounds when Cotto couldn't get him out of there.

Pinto - Ranked number 1 by the WBO but unheard of by anyone else...

Corely - Okay, there's some credibility to Demarcus. But he was hardly in his prime, wears womens underwear and has 200 kids to feed...did somebody say paycheck?

Abdullaev - A tough fight in hindsight but it shouldn't of been...and the ams are a completely different ballgame as you well know...

Torres - Yet another guy that was a tough fight in hindsight. Pre Torres most Cotto fans expected an easy 'W'

Branco - The WBCs version of Kelson Pinto. Never ever beaten anyone of note

Malignaggi - Not exactly Julian Jackson is he? After the scares with the likes of Bailey and Torres Arum clearly thought it might be a good idea to keep Miguel away from the bangers...

Quintana - Stepping stone. Simple as that, lets not pretend he's anything more.

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It's not just that they are all decent/good fighters,they have mostly been young,unbeaten,hungry. And it is the manner in which Cotto has beaten them whether it be fighting front foot,back foot,stalking them etc etc showing his versatility.

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That's an interesting point. For me, Miguel looks way more ragged now than he did pre Bailey. I recall a time when Miguel was famed for his defence. It's gone out of the window but I think that's perhaps a concious decision to make him more marketable.

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You know something,although I totally disagree with your analysis of Cotto's opponents(I could rip Hatton's far easier and who else should Cotto have fought at 140,the 39 yuear olds Hatton was facing? I'll give you a cc for that last point. I certainly would not use the term ragged but Cotto's defence is not as good as it used to be because he takes more risks now and as a result,he is more fan friendlymore offensively dangerous but also slightly more open...Against a BIG strong WW like my other boy Margarito,that could be a problem but other than that,I don't see anyon else outbanging Cotto first and second,I'm sure he knows he would have to be defensively tighter against guys like Margarito....

1 question,who should Cotto have fought then? Is Hatton's resume much better according to you?

(by the way,I'm kind of enjoying this debate!!)

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That's an interesting point. For me, Miguel looks way more ragged now than he did pre Bailey. I recall a time when Miguel was famed for his defence. It's gone out of the window but I think that's perhaps a concious decision to make him more marketable.

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Good to see someone knows about Cotto's early carreer.
I agree with you here. Cotto is not the same fighter I once knew. He had a real decent defense early on in his career that sort of reminded me a little of Winky. That is not the same Cotto we see today but I think this issue has to be addressed by Team Cotto. I do not know who to blame but some one is at fault here wether it is Cotto or his trainer.
I have seen Cotto box beautifully and I sometimes would like to see some of that again where he get's on his bike and does the Ali Butterfly. There is a lot more to Cotto's arsenal than we will ever get to see but Cotto has a lot of tricks. Anyone who thinks this is a one trick pony has not seen all the tricks this pony can do. I have. And I am very happy he is now a Welter Weight Champion.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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That's an interesting point. For me, Miguel looks way more ragged now than he did pre Bailey. I recall a time when Miguel was famed for his defence. It's gone out of the window but I think that's perhaps a concious decision to make him more marketable.

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Good to see someone knows about Cotto's early carreer.
I agree with you here. Cotto is not the same fighter I once knew. He had a real decent defense early on in his career that sort of reminded me a little of Winky. That is not the same Cotto we see today but I think this issue has to be addressed by Team Cotto. I do not know who to blame but some one is at fault here wether it is Cotto or his trainer.
I have seen Cotto box beautifully and I sometimes would like to see some of that again where he get's on his bike and does the Ali Butterfly. There is a lot more to Cotto's arsenal than we will ever get to see but Cotto has a lot of tricks. Anyone who thinks this is a one trick pony has not seen all the tricks this pony can do. I have. And I am very happy he is now a Welter Weight Champion.

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Cotto is DEFINITELY not a 1 trick pony,he can fight forwards,backwards,jab beautfully(should do it more)bodywork,switch hit effectively! At least us Cotto and Hatton guys agree on something!! ;D :D

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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That's an interesting point. For me, Miguel looks way more ragged now than he did pre Bailey. I recall a time when Miguel was famed for his defence. It's gone out of the window but I think that's perhaps a concious decision to make him more marketable.

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Good to see someone knows about Cotto's early carreer.
I agree with you here. Cotto is not the same fighter I once knew. He had a real decent defense early on in his career that sort of reminded me a little of Winky. That is not the same Cotto we see today but I think this issue has to be addressed by Team Cotto. I do not know who to blame but some one is at fault here wether it is Cotto or his trainer.
I have seen Cotto box beautifully and I sometimes would like to see some of that again where he get's on his bike and does the Ali Butterfly. There is a lot more to Cotto's arsenal than we will ever get to see but Cotto has a lot of tricks. Anyone who thinks this is a one trick pony has not seen all the tricks this pony can do. I have. And I am very happy he is now a Welter Weight Champion.

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If he has two ways to beat someone though, he will always try to destroy them, which is what sells seats. But if he ever has to reach into his old bag of tricks, I'm sure he hasn't forgotten how to block, I think he just opts to focus more on his powerful offense for now.

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Is Hatton's resume much better according to you?

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You can rip into Hattons record if you like...I wouldn't even try and defend most of it.

Suffice to say he had a long apprenticeship and Sports Networks 'robust' approach to negotiation meant a lot of the more meaningful fights fell through (including Pinto for the WBO strap...a fight most Hatton fans weren't that excited about when the likes of Tszyu, Mitchell and Gatti were still lording it at 140)

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1 question,who should Cotto have fought then?

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Well if your argument is going to be 'who else was there?' - he didn't have to 'make do' at 140. He could of stepped up to 147 a lot sooner. It's no secret he's struggled with the weight for some time.

So in answer to your question: How about Cintron, pre Margarito, could of been an interesting fight...

In fact, it might still be an interesting fight...

You Hatton boys run out of steam? I'm tired,got uni tomorrow,hurry up and respond!! :P ;D :D

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Originally Posted by Steelie

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Is Hatton's resume much better according to you?

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You can rip into Hattons record if you like...I wouldn't even try and defend most of it.

Suffice to say he had a long apprenticeship and Sports Networks 'robust' approach to negotiation meant a lot of the more meaningful fights fell through (including Pinto for the WBO strap...a fight most Hatton fans weren't that excited about when the likes of Tszyu, Mitchell and Gatti were still lording it at 140)

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1 question,who should Cotto have fought then?

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Well if your argument is going to be 'who else was there?' - he didn't have to 'make do' at 140. He could of stepped up to 147 a lot sooner. It's no secret he's struggled with the weight for some time.

So in answer to your question: How about Cintron, pre Margarito, could of been an interesting fight...

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O...........fair enough,at least you are honest enough to say you won't defence Hatton's record,kudos to you unlike the hardcore Hatton nut huggers I guess?


Interesting you mentioned that because guess what Arum has lined up for Cotto

Mandatory-Urkal

Puerto Rican Parade day-KERMIT CINTRON UNIFICATION

late 07-IF he still has his belt-ANTONIO TONY MARGARITO!!!

I'm guessing you rate Cintron?

To answer your other Q,I guess it's a prmotional team thing too,may be they did not want him to move up too soon,may be Cotto realised how much of a struggle it was to make 140 towards the end and did not want to be like Castillo and Corrales ie not making weight? It could have been a number o f reasons,all I know is,at 140,he fought some good fighters,and I don't very many other great fights he could have made there?

I'm off guys,really tired!!! What was supposed to be 30 min stint on Saddo's turns into 2 hours,wtf?!Heh. Well,carry on the war for me!! I'll be up early to see what's been going on! Peace,night guys!

I don't think that the Hatton fans need to remark as to whether Cotto has proven anything to them...I think that is the biggest pile of bull shit!

I like Hatton, he's a good fighter but my liking him doesn't affect what I think of Cotto and vice versa!

Cotto has proven himself time and time again....just as much as Hatton has.

Cotto has fought through being knocked down, being hurt, being weight drained and tired, he's taken his lumps and he's still undefeated and he doesn't run from anyone.

I think fighters like Cotto and Hatton make boxing great, because although they maybe aren't great yet they give the fans 110% every fight and are constantly trying to better themselves, you cannot ask for anything more from a fighter.....Floyd Mayweather Jr. should take notes

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I don't think that the Hatton fans need to remark as to whether Cotto has proven anything to them...I think that is the biggest pile of bull shit!

I like Hatton, he's a good fighter but my liking him doesn't affect what I think of Cotto and vice versa!

Cotto has proven himself time and time again....just as much as Hatton has.

Cotto has fought through being knocked down, being hurt, being weight drained and tired, he's taken his lumps and he's still undefeated and he doesn't run from anyone.

I think fighters like Cotto and Hatton make boxing great, because although they maybe aren't great yet they give the fans 110% every fight and are constantly trying to better themselves, you cannot ask for anything more from a fighter.....Floyd Mayweather Jr. should take notes

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CC number 900 for that bro.

thanks, cc 442

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I don't think that the Hatton fans need to remark as to whether Cotto has proven anything to them...I think that is the biggest pile of bull shit!

I like Hatton, he's a good fighter but my liking him doesn't affect what I think of Cotto and vice versa!

Cotto has proven himself time and time again....just as much as Hatton has.

Cotto has fought through being knocked down, being hurt, being weight drained and tired, he's taken his lumps and he's still undefeated and he doesn't run from anyone.

I think fighters like Cotto and Hatton make boxing great, because although they maybe aren't great yet they give the fans 110% every fight and are constantly trying to better themselves, you cannot ask for anything more from a fighter.....Floyd Mayweather Jr. should take notes

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DAmn Lyle you got me inspired by your words (where that come from? loL) Great post Lyle

Steelie & Memphies: The ONLY win/opponent that Hatton has thats bigger then any of Cottos is Tszyu.... But come on Hatton can't ride on that win alone for the rest of his career.... That was over a year ago since then he aint done shet!!! Wether it's management or whatever else yu wanna throw in there, we are talking about fighters here not boxing politics... Whatevers happening between him and his mngrs. thats his shet!!

Cotto on the other hand doesn't have that big name your right on that, but Cottos gradually moving up I mean heres a kid with 27 fights and already hes more then half way there to surpassing Hattons career as far as quality of opponents all he needs is a big/recognizable name. It took Hatton 39 fights to accomplish that, it looks like it will take Cotto a little more then half of that.


Another important thing is there is NO REAL SUPERSTAR and or dominant fighter at Welter right now like Tszyu was at one point, so you gotta also see what lies ahead for Cotto....

Antonio Margarito - The verdict is 50/50, those who think hes underrated and feared OR those who think hes overated and is a nobody. If Cotto beats him it won't mean much to you. Am I right?

PBF - Future is really unknown as he has stated he will fight ODLH then retire. ::** This here IS THE ONLY NAME available at this moment for Cotto to add on his resume that will not only top BUT blow Hattons win over Tszyu out of the water.

Paul Williams - Still to be tested, is a contender at this point. If Cotto beats him it won't mean much to you. Am I right?

Kermit Cintron - Current IBF paper champ, holds a vacant belt has been BEATEN with every sense of the word by Margarito.
If Cotto beats him it won't mean much to you. Am I right?

So you see at this time there really isn't a dominant name in the Welters, theres only PBF but we know where hes headed. The only thing that is apparent to me is that Cotto will become THAT dominant force I'am talking about, he will become THAT next big name.
So you see Hatton had Tszyu to beat, who does Cotto have to beat thats representative of Tszyus caliber?

cc CuteMeMick, some very valid points there. 147 is looking to be a very good division to be in for 2007, but the only real NAME at that weight is PBF. At least the only name that wont get a backlash when Cotto beats him.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Steelie & Memphies: The ONLY win/opponent that Hatton has thats bigger then any of Cottos is Tszyu.... But come on Hatton can't ride on that win alone for the rest of his career.... That was over a year ago since then he aint done shet!!! Wether it's management or whatever else yu wanna throw in there, we are talking about fighters here not boxing politics... Whatevers happening between him and his mngrs. thats his shet!!

Cotto on the other hand doesn't have that big name your right on that, but Cottos gradually moving up I mean heres a kid with 27 fights and already hes more then half way there to surpassing Hattons career as far as quality of opponents all he needs is a big/recognizable name. It took Hatton 39 fights to accomplish that, it looks like it will take Cotto a little more then half of that.


Another important thing is there is NO REAL SUPERSTAR and or dominant fighter at Welter right now like Tszyu was at one point, so you gotta also see what lies ahead for Cotto....

Antonio Margarito - The verdict is 50/50, those who think hes underrated and feared OR those who think hes overated and is a nobody. If Cotto beats him it won't mean much to you. Am I right?

PBF - Future is really unknown as he has stated he will fight ODLH then retire. ::** This here IS THE ONLY NAME available at this moment for Cotto to add on his resume that will not only top BUT blow Hattons win over Tszyu out of the water.

Paul Williams - Still to be tested, is a contender at this point. If Cotto beats him it won't mean much to you. Am I right?

Kermit Cintron - Current IBF paper champ, holds a vacant belt has been BEATEN with every sense of the word by Margarito.
If Cotto beats him it won't mean much to you. Am I right?

So you see at this time there really isn't a dominant name in the Welters, theres only PBF but we know where hes headed. The only thing that is apparent to me is that Cotto will become THAT dominant force I'am talking about, he will become THAT next big name.
So you see Hatton had Tszyu to beat, who does Cotto have to beat thats representative of Tszyus caliber?

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CC, except I'd add that the old, injured Tszyu that Hatton beat wasn't of the prime Tszyu's caliber either. Hatton's never beaten a world class fighter in his prime, just like Cotto. But Cotto's beaten a lot more good, solid, young, up-and-comers than Hatton has. And after watching each of their last 6 fights or so, I don't see any way Hatton lasts more than 6 or 7 rounds with Cotto at 147. And I don't see him lasting 12 at 140 either. Cotto, unlike the Tszyu that Hatton fought, is at his prime. And he hits harder than even a prime Tszyu did--easily. He also--as someone else here pointed out--doesn't need the room to punch that Tszyu needed. And he's bigger and stronger than Hatton and couldn't be pushed around by him--even at 140.

I'd love to see it--if only because so many people here are irrationally picking Hatton to win AT 147 (??!!!). Of course we won't ever see it, because Hatton's more realistic than a lot of these posters about his abilities at 147.