Naz vs JMM?

I think Marquez' style of old would actually suit him better against Nas than this new version we saw against Barrera

Marquez much easier to hit and he marks up alot . Nas didnt need to land that many to get you going plus if Pac and Barrera drop Marquez , then Nas stood a great chance . Barrera is believed to be more of a natural brawler than Marquez , with Juan being the natural boxer but in the fight Barrera landed more , got hit less so if Nas in his prime fought this version of JMM theres a good chance he'd be able to land his bombs like he wasnt really able to against Barrera

Don't know why some of you think Naz would get ko'd when the times Naz got knocked down his bum had only just touched canvas and he were up flash knock downs thats all i never felt he would get knocked out Barrera never even looked like knocking him down nevermind out

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Originally Posted by bikersk

Is MAB going to Gaol? how else will they fight?

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Soz to the seppo's. Gaol = Jail. Anyway....................

JMM wins IMO he has too much to contend with for someone like Naz who doesn't offer much throughout a lengthy bout which i feeel was evident in the MAB fight.

brawling type JMM might get hurt but JMM in the PAC fight goes out unscathe and humiliates NAZ.

If Naz put Marquez on the floor in the first

the fight would of ended in the first.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Naz put Marquez on the floor in the first

the fight would of ended in the first.

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Could'nt agree more

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Naz put Marquez on the floor in the first

the fight would of ended in the first.

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Agreed completely if Hamed put you down you were out very soon after, if you weren't by then. That Said Lawal fight still has me like this :o

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That was only his second fight at featherweight right after winning the title right ???

Still can't believe he broke his nose in 3 places with that ONE PUNCH!!! :o

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Naz put Marquez on the floor in the first

the fight would of ended in the first.

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Again with the IF's
IF my grandma had wheelh she'd be a bike.... ;D

I won't stop repeating this...

The fight was offered to Naz and it was turned down by Naz.
What does that tell you?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Naz put Marquez on the floor in the first

the fight would of ended in the first.

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Well I don't know about all that ? every person reacts different to shots. Marquez like Barrera has a warrior mentality, they are not so easily dismantled , especially when facing someone like Naz who would motivate the fighterthroughblatant disrespect and arrogance.. A good solid Mexican fighter will have none of that shit this I can promise ! Anyway Naz wanted no part Marquez. Naz Publicly admitted to dodging him,.. I just finished watching the documentary “ Little Prince Big fight” what a cocky little cunt Naz was ! Good riddance I say,

Hatton now that is a British fighter that has all the intangibles to make a Country proud ! Funny as hell, nice respectful outside the ring, and monstrous fury inside the ring .

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Naz put Marquez on the floor in the first

the fight would of ended in the first.

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Again with the IF's
IF my grandma had wheelh she'd be a bike.... ;D

I won't stop repeating this...

The fight was offered to Naz and it was turned down by Naz.
What does that tell you?

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That Naz was very smart on his quest to amass his £30m ring earnings fortune ;)

Saying Naz would of knocked out Marquez is no different to saying Marquez would of knocked out Naz. It's all bollocks! NO-ONE will ever KNOW...it's fun to wonder though, right ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

The fight was offered to Naz and it was turned down by Naz.
What does that tell you?

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That Naz was very smart on his quest to amass his £30m ring earnings fortune ;)

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I agree, and he did this because?
Here I'll tell you in his own words & accent.....
he knew "he gon get knocked out bwoy" 8)

Nah, Allah would never let that happen to him

Didn't Marquez lose to Norwood around the time he could of fought Naz? A fight between them was mooted at one point, wasn't it?

Marquez (his team) are pretty notorious for making bad decisions, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Nah, Allah would never let that happen to him

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;D

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Didn't Marquez lose to Norwood around the time he could of fought Naz?

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JMM was preparing and had been preparing for Naz cause they really thought they were gonna get the fight....
Instead they were turned down and about 2 months later the fight with Freddie came about.....
No excuses from ME he lost and thats that.... JMM states that he was disgruntled and upset that the Prince had turned down a fight with him and was gutted only to see MAB get a shot at him and beat Naz.....
Whatever the case maybe wether for Naz looking at it from money perspective or us debating the outcome what is a fact is that it was turned down by Naz and no one can argue that....
For the sake of the arguement; If I walk up to you and tell you let's throw some leather around and you say no I don't wanna fight you.
What do you think the message says there when you turn down a fight?
Get my point. Now all this money talk thats great he made the money but all that money will NEVER buy him the respect of being a GREAT champion. Which is what a lot of people (mostly in the UK) claim him to be. I don't argue he was one of the UKs GREATS but what I do argue is when people match him up with fighters who have withstood the hands of time and have fought some of the best fighters in the world and then they say "Naz would knock him out" come now... Thats like cleaning you your a$$ before you take a sh*t, it don't make no sense.....

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Marquez (his team) are pretty notorious for making bad decisions, aren't they?

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Yeah! fwocken 'Nacho' Beristein man GREAT trainer I mean Mexicos best but what was he thinking? I also blame both the Marquez bros. for actually thinking it was a good idea to have him as a Manager it can't help it but feel thats good they learned their lesson the hard way and got assed out of not only money but from some great fights....
It's a lesson to be learned.....

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Didn't Marquez lose to Norwood around the time he could of fought Naz?

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JMM was preparing and had been preparing for Naz cause they really thought they were gonna get the fight....
Instead they were turned down and about 2 months later the fight with Freddie came about.....
No excuses from ME he lost and thats that.... JMM states that he was disgruntled and upset that the Prince had turned down a fight with him and was gutted only to see MAB get a shot at him and beat Naz.....
Whatever the case maybe wether for Naz looking at it from money perspective or us debating the outcome what is a fact is that it was turned down by Naz and no one can argue that....
For the sake of the arguement; If I walk up to you and tell you let's throw some leather around and you say no I don't wanna fight you.
What do you think the message says there when you turn down a fight?
Get my point. Now all this money talk thats great he made the money but all that money will NEVER buy him the respect of being a GREAT champion. Which is what a lot of people (mostly in the UK) claim him to be. I don't argue he was one of the UKs GREATS but what I do argue is when people match him up with fighters who have withstood the hands of time and have fought some of the best fighters in the world and then they say "Naz would knock him out" come now... Thats like cleaning you your a$$ before you take a sh*t, it don't make no sense.....

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In retrospect I agree, Marquez being the mandatory for the amount of time he was without getting the fight is wrong, and that obviously reads as though Naz outright ducked him, but to be fair Marquez was a nobody back then. And wouldn't it have been the other way round - Naz offering Marquez a fight?

And it's perfectly reasonable to think Naz could of beat Marquez. Whether you like him or not he was one of the best featherweights of his era. Whilst he was the WBO champ he beat the IBF, WBC and WBA champs. When Marquez did get his shot at a title he failed miserably. Marquez has been hurt/floored plenty of times. And surely you can't deny Naz had the power to KO/hurt him?

The thing is, part of what hurts Naz most is he never fought one single good fight in America. But fighting away from home isn't easy, as numerous "great" fighters have found out in the past, including Marquez, and why even more great fighters NEVER leave their backyard. ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Didn't Marquez lose to Norwood around the time he could of fought Naz?

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JMM was preparing and had been preparing for Naz cause they really thought they were gonna get the fight....
Instead they were turned down and about 2 months later the fight with Freddie came about.....
No excuses from ME he lost and thats that.... JMM states that he was disgruntled and upset that the Prince had turned down a fight with him and was gutted only to see MAB get a shot at him and beat Naz.....
Whatever the case maybe wether for Naz looking at it from money perspective or us debating the outcome what is a fact is that it was turned down by Naz and no one can argue that....
For the sake of the arguement; If I walk up to you and tell you let's throw some leather around and you say no I don't wanna fight you.
What do you think the message says there when you turn down a fight?
Get my point. Now all this money talk thats great he made the money but all that money will NEVER buy him the respect of being a GREAT champion. Which is what a lot of people (mostly in the UK) claim him to be. I don't argue he was one of the UKs GREATS but what I do argue is when people match him up with fighters who have withstood the hands of time and have fought some of the best fighters in the world and then they say "Naz would knock him out" come now... Thats like cleaning you your a$$ before you take a sh*t, it don't make no sense.....

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In retrospect I agree, Marquez being the mandatory for the amount of time he was without getting the fight is wrong, and that obviously reads as though Naz outright ducked him, but to be fair Marquez was a nobody back then. And wouldn't it have been the other way round - Naz offering Marquez a fight?

And it's perfectly reasonable to think Naz could of beat Marquez. Whether you like him or not he was one of the best featherweights of his era. Whilst he was the WBO champ he beat the IBF, WBC and WBA champs. When Marquez did get his shot at a title he failed miserably. Marquez has been hurt/floored plenty of times. And surely you can't deny Naz had the power to KO/hurt him?

The thing is, part of what hurts Naz most is he never fought one single good fight in America. But fighting away from home isn't easy, as numerous "great" fighters have found out in the past, including Marquez, and why even more great fighters NEVER leave their backyard. ;)

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Great points all around..... :)