Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JT,whilst your first post made some very very valid points,to say he is ordinary is a really silly statement. Honestly. An ordinary fighter would not have been champion for so long. An ordinary fighter would not have dismantled the number 1 challenger,a man viewed as heir apparent and a favourite to win the fight(and your fave fighter?). Joe decimated him,no one can deny Calzaghe's skills. If he was so mediocre,he would not have been champ for so long,nor would he have wrecked Lacy.
Seriously,if he beats Mikkel,I don't want to hear this over rated bs anymore!
Sorry that was over the top and I couldnt convey my points properly... Joe isint ordinary he is an underachiever someone who is content with mediocre accomploshments and that is the source of frustration, you have to put a revolver in his mouth to get him to step up. the last few years are indicitive of that FACT... If Joe just sucked and was overachieving and on a good run Like Baldomir was, and then when we compared his performances in relation to skill I wouldnt fault Joe one bit since he exceeded talent and expectaion but its not the case is it???. Talent like Joes should be held to a higher standard and ambition level.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Dont even go there I had given and given Calzaghe his props over and over and still do >:mad you want to call me on the carpet. your responses(Miles,Wacko) are no different than mine who annointed you two Boxing Gods ::** please Its funny how we are all spin doctors and pro backer offers when it comes to our hereos .
Not to mention you cant(Miles,Wacko) even counter with an intelligent argument, JUST ABOUT EVERYONE OF YOU EXPRESSED DISPLEASURE OVER CALZAGHE'S LAST 2 OPPONENTS and how he followed up the Lacy smattering.. I especially know you were Wacko, so dont even try to turn tail
You need to calm down. I never said anything out of the way to you...I was just fwockin about with you...business as usual because that is how you & I generally go about it.
I can see that that's not the way to be anymore...for some reason.
So done deal. No biggie. Don't play or mess about with JT anymore.
Also...I wasn't turning tail...I never have. I've expressed issues with Joe for not facing Kessler immediately PERIOD.
I have NEVER said that I haven't. Cased closed. I won't be addressing this with you anymore because I obviously don't know how to banter with you.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JT,whilst your first post made some very very valid points,to say he is ordinary is a really silly statement. Honestly. An ordinary fighter would not have been champion for so long. An ordinary fighter would not have dismantled the number 1 challenger,a man viewed as heir apparent and a favourite to win the fight(and your fave fighter?). Joe decimated him,no one can deny Calzaghe's skills. If he was so mediocre,he would not have been champ for so long,nor would he have wrecked Lacy.
Seriously,if he beats Mikkel,I don't want to hear this over rated bs anymore!
Sorry that was over the top and I couldnt convey my points properly... Joe isint ordinary he is an underachiever someone who is content with mediocre accomploshments and that is the source of frustration, you have to put a revolver in his mouth to get him to step up. the last few years are indicitive of that FACT... If Joe just sucked and was overachieving and on a good run Like Baldomir was, and then when we compared his performances in relation to skill I wouldnt fault Joe one bit since he exceeded talent and expectaion but its not the case is it???. Talent like Joes should be held to a higher standard and ambition level.
The problem is JT is that there was no one else for Calzaghe to fight he has beaten everyone there was to beat.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
So now Kessler's opposition is no good either.
You need to hang up boxing as a spectator because you seriously can't keep up with what's what with the fighters in their divisions.
Your'e the one kidding yourself.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
Kessler has beaten some good names.
Librado Andrade
Markus Beyer
Eric Lucas
Manny Siaca
Anthony Mundine
Not a bad list of opposition.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JT,whilst your first post made some very very valid points,to say he is ordinary is a really silly statement. Honestly. An ordinary fighter would not have been champion for so long. An ordinary fighter would not have dismantled the number 1 challenger,a man viewed as heir apparent and a favourite to win the fight(and your fave fighter?). Joe decimated him,no one can deny Calzaghe's skills. If he was so mediocre,he would not have been champ for so long,nor would he have wrecked Lacy.
Seriously,if he beats Mikkel,I don't want to hear this over rated bs anymore!
Sorry that was over the top and I couldnt convey my points properly... Joe isint ordinary he is an underachiever someone who is content with mediocre accomploshments and that is the source of frustration, you have to put a revolver in his mouth to get him to step up. the last few years are indicitive of that FACT... If Joe just sucked and was overachieving and on a good run Like Baldomir was, and then when we compared his performances in relation to skill I wouldnt fault Joe one bit since he exceeded talent and expectaion but its not the case is it???. Talent like Joes should be held to a higher standard and ambition level.
The problem is JT is that there was no one else for Calzaghe to fight he has beaten everyone there was to beat.
Agreed Ice.
Who else can he face...other than moving up & fighting Hopkins.
He made offers to both Hopkins & Jones jr when there shouldn't have been a shot on the table to RJJ & Jones balked at it...& that was when Jones was down & out.
I imagine that if he beats Kessler, the Hopkins fight happens.
He made an offer to Taylor...Taylor balked at a career highest amount. I'll bet Taylor ends up wanting it after his last fight.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Dont even go there I had given and given Calzaghe his props over and over and still do >:mad you want to call me on the carpet. your responses(Miles,Wacko) are no different than mine who annointed you two Boxing Gods ::** please Its funny how we are all spin doctors and pro backer offers when it comes to our hereos .
Not to mention you cant(Miles,Wacko) even counter with an intelligent argument, JUST ABOUT EVERYONE OF YOU EXPRESSED DISPLEASURE OVER CALZAGHE'S LAST 2 OPPONENTS and how he followed up the Lacy smattering.. I especially know you were Wacko, so dont even try to turn tail
You need to calm down. I never said anything out of the way to you...I was just fwockin about with you...business as usual  because that is how you & I generally go about it.
I can see that that's not the way to be anymore...for some reason.
So done deal. No biggie. Don't play or mess about with JT anymore.
Also...I wasn't turning tail...I never have. I've expressed issues with Joe for not facing Kessler immediately PERIOD.
I have NEVER said that I haven't. Cased closed. I won't be addressing this with you anymore because I obviously don't know how to banter with you.
So it's like that, one passionate debate and I am written off  ;D and to think I was about to lather up below the belt with a bar of welsh soap ;D So i'm not allowed to get fired up?  I didnt insult you, you said I was wrong and just like in any debate I strove to legitimize my argument. Read my last post in reference to Baldomir and I think that is the best comparison I can come up with in terms of how you maximize your talent that is bestowed upon you
Plus you disagree that both Gary Shaw and Morges Palle had to titty twist and give up their 1st born to get a fight with Warren and Calzaghe?
I can see if he was putting them off to fight better fights but at the time he wasnt
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
So now Kessler's opposition is no good either.
You need to hang up boxing as a spectator because you seriously can't keep up with what's what with the fighters in their divisions.
Your'e the one kidding yourself.
Even if you give Calzaghe credit for maybe 3 decent opponents what the hell is that in 10 years of being champion. The guy is a chump.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JT,whilst your first post made some very very valid points,to say he is ordinary is a really silly statement. Honestly. An ordinary fighter would not have been champion for so long. An ordinary fighter would not have dismantled the number 1 challenger,a man viewed as heir apparent and a favourite to win the fight(and your fave fighter?). Joe decimated him,no one can deny Calzaghe's skills. If he was so mediocre,he would not have been champ for so long,nor would he have wrecked Lacy.
Seriously,if he beats Mikkel,I don't want to hear this over rated bs anymore!
Sorry that was over the top and I couldnt convey my points properly... Joe isint ordinary he is an underachiever someone who is content with mediocre accomploshments and that is the source of frustration, you have to put a revolver in his mouth to get him to step up. the last few years are indicitive of that FACT... If Joe just sucked and was overachieving and on a good run Like Baldomir was, and then when we compared his performances in relation to skill I wouldnt fault Joe one bit since he exceeded talent and expectaion but its not the case is it???. Talent like Joes should be held to a higher standard and ambition level.
The problem is JT is that there was no one else for Calzaghe to fight he has beaten everyone there was to beat.
Agreed Ice.
Who else can he face...other than moving up & fighting Hopkins.
He made offers to both Hopkins & Jones jr when there shouldn't have been a shot on the table to RJJ & Jones balked at it...& that was when Jones was down & out.
I imagine that if he beats Kessler, the Hopkins fight happens.
He made an offer to Taylor...Taylor balked at a career highest amount. I'll bet Taylor ends up wanting it after his last fight.
I don't want to sound nasty here Wacko but i think some Americans don't think much of Calzaghe's opposition because they are mostly European and they don't know much about the history of the opposition who they have fought what they have achieved ect i hope that didn't come out the wrong way i hope you understand what im trying to say.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JT,whilst your first post made some very very valid points,to say he is ordinary is a really silly statement. Honestly. An ordinary fighter would not have been champion for so long. An ordinary fighter would not have dismantled the number 1 challenger,a man viewed as heir apparent and a favourite to win the fight(and your fave fighter?). Joe decimated him,no one can deny Calzaghe's skills. If he was so mediocre,he would not have been champ for so long,nor would he have wrecked Lacy.
Seriously,if he beats Mikkel,I don't want to hear this over rated bs anymore!
Sorry that was over the top and I couldnt convey my points properly... Joe isint ordinary he is an underachiever someone who is content with mediocre accomploshments and that is the source of frustration, you have to put a revolver in his mouth to get him to step up. the last few years are indicitive of that FACT... If Joe just sucked and was overachieving and on a good run Like Baldomir was, and then when we compared his performances in relation to skill I wouldnt fault Joe one bit since he exceeded talent and expectaion but its not the case is it???. Talent like Joes should be held to a higher standard and ambition level.
The problem is JT is that there was no one else for Calzaghe to fight he has beaten everyone there was to beat.
Agreed Ice.
Who else can he face...other than moving up & fighting Hopkins.
He made offers to both Hopkins & Jones jr when there shouldn't have been a shot on the table to RJJ & Jones balked at it...& that was when Jones was down & out.
I imagine that if he beats Kessler, the Hopkins fight happens.
He made an offer to Taylor...Taylor balked at a career highest amount. I'll bet Taylor ends up wanting it after his last fight.
I don't want to sound nasty here Wacko but i think some Americans don't think much of Calzaghe's opposition because they are mostly European and they don't know much about the history of the opposition who they have fought what they have achieved ect i hope that didn't come out the wrong way i hope you understand what im trying to say.
Yea it did what are you trying to say >:mad
Hahahah!!!!! nothing doing but its all good bud ;) point taken
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Agreed and if Kessler is his greatest test so far then who the hell has he been fighting for the last ten years. This is why I started this post to begin with. Im sick of hearing about his title defences, he's full of shit
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Agreed and if Kessler is his greatest test so far then who the hell has he been fighting for the last ten years. This is why I started this post to begin with. Im sick of hearing about his title defences, he's full of S***
Name me one fighter he could have fought at Supermiddleweight that were any better than the opposition he has faced ??
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
Most made real good points on this thread, but we seem to always boil over on Calzaghe because he is a lovem or hatem type fighter and when there seems to be no middle ground I always concede to agree to disagree with everyone. We may be at each others throats on this topic but wmen we click the new response to your post link we could wholeheartedly be agreeing. Thats the beauty of it all.
:coolclick: to all for a healthy hearty debate
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Agreed and if Kessler is his greatest test so far then who the hell has he been fighting for the last ten years. This is why I started this post to begin with. Im sick of hearing about his title defences, he's full of S***
OK magyar, you are going a little over the top here and your making me look bad by defending you. Take it easy bro. Calzaghe is, despite what I have said and how I feel, a great fighter.
