IT'S OFFICIAL. FLOYD WOULD DESTROY COTTO

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

I agree. Cotto is going to give PBF a much tougher fight than Ricky the HUGMAN Hatton will.
Next thing we know, you fools are going to say PBF would knock Cotto out? LMAO.
Cotto Cotton Chin is the man.
Floyd does not have the balls to step in the ring with Cotto. He's a daisy if he does.

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Stylistically, i can see Mayeather winning. Realistically, i think your spot on mate ;)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

To be honest,I'm not going to debate with you about for a number of reasons,the main 1 being that when even super hardcore Hatton fans admit Cotto would beat him,I have nothing more to say. And you make a number of slightly misguided points to say the least(no offence)

A few of these are

feel Miguel is a more one punch guy(Cotto has never been a 1 punch guy,in fact he puts 2s and threes together as well as anyone out there,watch the Judah fight)

preventing him from resting and also imposing his weight on Cotto while he himself grabbed some time. Miguel is able to maintain a ridiculously high pace at WW as seen in the Judah fight and the Shane fight.

Miguel is accustomed to being the one chasing No he's not as was seen in the last 4 rounds of the Mosley fight and his first 20 plus bro bouts. For further evidence see the Ndou,Abdullaev fights.

Cotto is more proven at WW.He has fought stronger/better fighters. He is not as 1 dimensional as Hatton.His handspeed is just as quick.He has a better jab.His bodyshots are more powerful etc etc etc/

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None taken Gamo.
It's just a legitimate belief i have.

I believe in the points you've selected that i haven't expressed myself well which is cause for some of your disagreement...it was a bit of a sloppy post.

The entirity of your post there suggested that Miguel was on his way to becoming a complete fighter. (I'm not putting words in your mouth, it's just what i drew from it.)
But i feel that Cotto has a number of flaws in those departments which you defended.
I feel his movement is restricted, i feel his speed is'nt that fantastic and finally i find the pace that he sets at WW has seen him eat shots and i feel this may be exploited against a fresher more dangerous fighter than Zab or Shane.

I'm in total agreement when you say Cotto has had better opposition and proven more at 147, but my belief hasn't been swayed. I legitimately feel Ricky has the tools to beat Cotto.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

You being serious Donny? Cotto KTFO him out late for me and as surprised as I am,I've seen ALOT of Hatton fans here acknowledge that Cotto would beat their boy.

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Ya im pretty serious.
It's not a spur of the moment thing either, iv been thinking about it a long time now.
Cotto at Light Welter is no reflection on Cotto at Wlter, the debacle against Torres i feeel was largely down to youth and weight problems. Both issues are now irrelevant at Welter.
However, Rickyhas a number of -i won't call them weapons as they are not offensive-implements in his tool box which i feel would enable him to dismantle the Cotto pressure machine.

1) Miguel is accustomed to being the one chasing, Ricky even when defensive minded is Still planted firmly in front of you, he covers the body well with the elbows and since he has integrated uppercuts into his new scheme, he is very effective on the inside. I have noticed that Miguels best bodywork is done whilst moving in. His rhythm would be upset by an opponent stuck Chest to chest with him. Same tactic as the Tszyu fight i guess.

2) I have also noticed that Miguel hangs back when taking a breath between attacks, this is an excellent idea and theoretically brilliant as althouigh he never moves back he takes nice little rests. (We saw him get caught as a result v Malignaggi and Zab) Ricky takes his breaks up close by hanging on, this in my view would be detrimental for Cotto as Ricky would be pon him, preventing him from resting and also imposing his weight on Cotto while he himself grabbed some time.

3) The best prepared Hatton can throw some wicked combinations (and land) i feel Miguel is a more one punch guy. I feel that Ricky outboxes him and with his chin survives everything. I don't want to go on with this post forever, but i do feel that Ricky has a good foil in Cotto and should he drop the fight to Mayweather he should chase Miguel

But again, it would be a fight with two of my very favourites clashing.

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If Hatton was a natural welter i would definately back him against Cotto....actually against anyone other than Mayweather (and he stil might have a shot at him). I think Hatton is a smarter fighter than Cotto is, has much better footwork and throws faster combinations. I think his chin is just (stronger than Cotto's at 140) and he sets a faster pace.

With that being said we all know Hatton aint a welter and at welter his advantages diminish slightly.......which is enough for Cotto to take advantage of.

How you think that Hatton is a smarter fighter? Have you seen Cotto fight?
Heres what both guys do better than the other
Cotto is much more accurate, he has better speed, and hits harder. To go along with this he also has better boxing skills.

Hatton has better footwork, and he is a better inside fighter... he will be on your ass from start to finish which is something Cotto will not do. While Cotto does put pressure its more calculated, and delibrate. I say Hatton makes it a hard fight for Cotto because of his ability to fight on the inside... however I can't see him winning this fight... He can't take body punches all that well, and I think Cotto will bust his face up with that jab, then he will bust Hatton's body up with that left hook... from hell.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

How you think that Hatton is a smarter fighter? Have you seen Cotto fight?
Heres what both guys do better than the other
Cotto is much more accurate, he has better speed, and hits harder. To go along with this he also has better boxing skills.

Hatton has better footwork, and he is a better inside fighter... he will be on your a** from start to finish which is something Cotto will not do. While Cotto does put pressure its more calculated, and delibrate. I say Hatton makes it a hard fight for Cotto because of his ability to fight on the inside... however I can't see him winning this fight... He can't take body punches all that well, and I think Cotto will bust his face up with that jab, then he will bust Hatton's body up with that left hook... from hell.

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CC, agree totally. Hatton should have stayed at 140. Although he is viscious in the pocket, like you said Cotto will beat that face up something bad. Wouldn't be surprised to see it stopped from cuts if Hatton ate as many jabs as Mosley did. Credit to Hatton if he ever got in the ring with Cotto. He'll be lucky to not get mauled by Floyd.

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by Taeth

How you think that Hatton is a smarter fighter? Have you seen Cotto fight?
Heres what both guys do better than the other
Cotto is much more accurate, he has better speed, and hits harder. To go along with this he also has better boxing skills.

Hatton has better footwork, and he is a better inside fighter... he will be on your a** from start to finish which is something Cotto will not do. While Cotto does put pressure its more calculated, and delibrate. I say Hatton makes it a hard fight for Cotto because of his ability to fight on the inside... however I can't see him winning this fight... He can't take body punches all that well, and I think Cotto will bust his face up with that jab, then he will bust Hatton's body up with that left hook... from hell.

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CC, agree totally. Hatton should have stayed at 140. Although he is viscious in the pocket, like you said Cotto will beat that face up something bad. Wouldn't be surprised to see it stopped from cuts if Hatton ate as many jabs as Mosley did. Credit to Hatton if he ever got in the ring with Cotto. He'll be lucky to not get mauled by Floyd.

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CC back, I don't know I think that Hatton has the ability to make this fight with Floyd look competitive for awhile if he comes in sharp. After awhile though Mayweather will wear him down because he is so good at going to the body, and he will be landing sharp counter punches, and Mayweather hits a lot harder than anyone seems to give him credit for, notice how Oscar stopped throwing punches when Mayweather would land off the ropes?

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Originally Posted by Taeth

How you think that Hatton is a smarter fighter? Have you seen Cotto fight?
Heres what both guys do better than the other
Cotto is much more accurate, he has better speed, and hits harder. To go along with this he also has better boxing skills.

Hatton has better footwork, and he is a better inside fighter... he will be on your ass from start to finish which is something Cotto will not do. While Cotto does put pressure its more calculated, and delibrate. I say Hatton makes it a hard fight for Cotto because of his ability to fight on the inside... however I can't see him winning this fight... He can't take body punches all that well, and I think Cotto will bust his face up with that jab, then he will bust Hatton's body up with that left hook... from hell.

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I'm not sure Cotto is faster. Ricky, like Cotto, has deceptively good handspeed, but Cotto has a better jab by far and, i think, better timing to go along with more reach. I agree Ricky has better footwork and footspeed, and he throws from more different angles. I think there is good chance Cotto would swell up or cut Ricky badly with the jab. He's prone to that. Cotto would be too much more Hatton at 147.

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Originally Posted by Puya

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Originally Posted by bigjess31

Go you're stupid Puya, I'm just telling you the simple truth from someone who can decipher styles and see tendencies. Cotto is a great fighter but he cannot beat Mayweather, it would be a boxing display from Floyd that would frustrate the hell out of Cotto. I HATE mayweathers style but it wins him fights and is effective against fighters who chase him around the ring, thats when he feels at home. Cotto can beat everyone in the division with the exception of Mayweather and DLH, because they would pick him apart...

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LOL ;D OMG now I'm stupid and you are a professional Boxing analyst. :rofmaoal: :LOLATYOU: :lol:

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NO....actually I'm an amatuer boxing trainer, but anyway I got a little carried away nothing personal, you're just blinded by the fact that this guy is an icon in your nation, and there's nithng wrong with that. The fact is, he beat an old Mosley, got hurt by a Zab Judah with no real power, and was on the mat against Torres....can you dispute any of these points. What will happen when he is in the ring against the cream of the crop, the other stars of the division who are all in their prime, ie Hatton, Mayweather...or a harder puncher in Margarito, who would makes Torres's power look a little above average. He is a very good fighter, but he will be another Fernando Vargas, too suspect a chin and too many ways to hit him.

Cotto was killing himself to make 140, Torres was a late sub and Cotto hadn't trained to fight him specifically, and Zab Judah does have power at least more than Mayweather Jr.

Torres has good power, he's a decent fighter. And Cotto fought recklessly against him and still whipped his ass.

Miguel Cotto is a better boxer than he gets credit for, sure he can slug it out and brawl with anyone and he has the balls to do that, but when need be he can stick and move with the best of them.




I love how all of a sudden Shane Mosley is old now....that's shit! Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't want to fight him! and it wasn't because he was "old"

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Cotto was killing himself to make 140, Torres was a late sub and Cotto hadn't trained to fight him specifically, and Zab Judah does have power at least more than Mayweather Jr.

Torres has good power, he's a decent fighter. And Cotto fought recklessly against him and still whipped his ass.

Miguel Cotto is a better boxer than he gets credit for, sure he can slug it out and brawl with anyone and he has the balls to do that, but when need be he can stick and move with the best of them.




I love how all of a sudden Shane Mosley is old now....that's shit! Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't want to fight him! and it wasn't because he was "old"

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CC,excellent posting.Hatton possesses neither the power nor the handspeed of Zab or Shane.At 140,Hatton wins but that does not mean a thing because they would never fight at 140.At 147 Cotto KTFo out Hatton and I have neither seen nor read anything to make me believe otherwise.

I'd give cotto a much better chance than hatton but i don't see either worrying floyd at all.

Honeyghan

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Originally Posted by Mar

I'd give cotto a much better chance than hatton but i don't see either worrying floyd at all.

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...Hatton and Cotto have styles that in theory will be very difficult for Floyd to handle. If Floyd is pressured for 12 full rounds then he's not going to like it.

Oscar tried to pressure Floyd but stopped throwing punches at times which obviously Floyd loves.

Ricky and Miguel dig to the body and they NEVER stop doing that.

Cottn put on all the pressure he wants, Floyd is the fighter with the best stamina in the game, so he can move for an entire fight regardless of pressure. Torres is a DECENT fighter, but the fact is he was hurt bad,and has been on the canvas multiple times against mid to slightly high level competition. Floyd has never been in trouble, even against the cream of the crop in any division he's fought. I love to watch him fight because he gives it all in the ring and fights hard, but the truth is Margarito, Floyd, Hatton, and probably Oscar could all beat him at 147, the first 2 fairly easily. Plus, we all know Shane is old, if he wasn't it would have been no contest, a young Shane destroys Cotto and we all know it.

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Originally Posted by bigjess31

Cottn put on all the pressure he wants, Floyd is the fighter with the best stamina in the game, so he can move for an entire fight regardless of pressure.

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True but since you want to talk about the past (Cause you did mention the Torres, Zab fights) how well did PBF look with JLC pressure? How well did PBF look with Chavez pressure? Hhhmmmm!! I give you a few to think about that.

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Originally Posted by bigjess31

Torres is a DECENT fighter, but the fact is he was hurt bad,and has been on the canvas multiple times against mid to slightly high level competition.

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Who are you talking about here.
You said Torres is a decent fighter, but the fact is 'he' (who's he? Are you still talking about Torres or you talking about Cotto?)
Cause if your talking about Cotto can you please with that extended knowledge that you poses tell us what other fight besides the Torres fight has Cotto been down in cause I'd like to see it?
If you we're still talking about Torres in that sentence then go ahead and disreguard my question. ;)

Also keep this in mind Trinindad was on the canvas often in his career he was always written off in his career for that wow! he sure turned out to be better then what people gave 'em credit for. So Cotto wen't down if you've seen the actual fight you'll notice that Torres pushes Cotto to actually drop him. But regardless we saw what happened in the end. ;) You can be kicking my ass for 11 rounds 2 minutes and 59 seconds but if I knock your ass out in the last second then guess what? I'm still better then you even if you won almost the entire fight. Your a trainer of amateur boxers you should know that a fight ain't over 'til it's over.

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Originally Posted by bigjess31

Floyd has never been in trouble, even against the cream of the crop in any division he's fought.

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That's due to his great ability and skills.

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Originally Posted by bigjess31

I love to watch him fight because he gives it all in the ring and fights hard, but the truth is Margarito, Floyd, Hatton, and probably Oscar could all beat him at 147, the first 2 fairly easily.

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Well wether they can all beat him or not is still to be seen. For starters 2 of the 4 names you listed are fighting so guess what? Logic tells you that the winners gonna wan't a piece of Cotto just as much Cotto will want a piece of the winner. I don't think Margarito can beat Cotto even after the way in which he beat Golden. I just think Cottos to smart to try and trade with Margarito he'll out box and out hustle Margarito. As far as ODLH well he's my fav. fighter but the dudes gotten old and he showed it he couldn't close out the show against PBF and again reminded me that hes never had good legs they tend to give out on him. I think Cottos too hungry and young and would quite possibly hurt/beat ODLH and when I say beat I mean it in every sense of the word.

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Originally Posted by bigjess31

Plus, we all know Shane is old, if he wasn't it would have been no contest, a young Shane destroys Cotto and we all know it.

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OK, so what's your point? Does it make you feel better that a young SSM could beat Cotto?
If it does then have at it. I can teach you how to put that statement in your signature so that everytime you post here it will appear along with your posts. Let me know. :)