Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q6zgGxPARw


Pretty much confirms it.. and sheds some light on the next move for Ricky (JMM/Diaz, Mayweather or DLH).. whatever happens I just hope it isn't DLH.. in terms of 'going forward' for Hatton this fight would do nothing for his status.

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Yep that seems to have concreted the talks of it being pulled"DAMN!":mad:What the hell is really going on here?Could it be true that Pacman got a deal fight with Mayweather(Which is stated in another thread on here):-\.In a way im glad Hatton stuck to his guns though.It was a 50/50 deal for sure.Come on!!!

Iam so glad i never took a gamble and booked flights to Vegas as many have gone!

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Originally Posted by littlebif

Iam so glad i never took a gamble and booked flights to Vegas as many have gone!

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Booking flights for a fight that's not yet a "done deal" is not the most advisable thing to do... You made an excellent decision...
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I'm well gutted at the outcome of this,It seemed a done deal until Paquiao started to talk crap,He knew full well that Hatton wouldn't back down and just say go on then Manny,You have the majority,When the arena would have been packed out with Hatton fans,And the draw he is on PPV,It was just nonsense,And i think Paquiao intentionally did this to dodge the fight,Sadly.

I know De La Hoya was well beaten by Paquiao,But if he won there would have been the super fight of De La Hoya and Hatton,Any chance of that happening now,It would be in Britain too wouldn't it?

I'm very dissappointed in Pacquiao.

He has just thrown away one of the biggest money fights out there for him.

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Originally Posted by joniebeeuk

I'm well gutted at the outcome of this,It seemed a done deal until Paquiao started to talk crap,He knew full well that Hatton wouldn't back down and just say go on then Manny,You have the majority,When the arena would have been packed out with Hatton fans,And the draw he is on PPV,It was just nonsense,And i think Paquiao intentionally did this to dodge the fight,Sadly.

I know De La Hoya was well beaten by Paquiao,But if he won there would have been the super fight of De La Hoya and Hatton,Any chance of that happening now,It would be in Britain too wouldn't it?

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I hope not.Hatton doesnt want to be fighting fighters that have just been soundly beaten at this stage in his career.Plus what weight would it be at we all saw what effect it had on ODH making 147 it killed him.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Your right on that. But Pac is the hotter fighter. He's p4p number 1. He's taking the bigger risk by going to Hatton's weight class. And he has just as many groupies as Hatton does. More in the US than Hatton does. On top of that he did what Hatton didn't think he could do. And that's beat Boxings most popular fighter.

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As far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.

(Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)

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If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.

Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.

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Hatton-Lazcano was a comeback fight against a no-name opponent. Manny moving up to lightweight and fighting another Latino was an event that America's boxing fans wanted to see. And how many PPVs did it sell? 400 000. Hatton brings the equivalent of 600 000 PPV buys to the table from the UK only and sells thousands of tickets, turning the fight into an event. So Hatton single-handedly brings almost twice as much revenue to the table than a Manny fight has ever generated other than his fight against Oscar for which 1.4 milllion Americans paid to watch Oscar and 0.1 million Manny fans paid to watch Manny. Manny might have the number one ranking but Hatton is now far and away the number one-ranked revenue generator in boxing.

So some things we know for sure.

1. Hatton brings more money to the event than Manny.

2. Manny claimed before Oscar he only wanted big money fights in future.

3. Hatton is easily the biggest fight out there for him in terms of money. If Manny doesn't fight him he's looking at somebody like Soto or Campbell for a couple of million. Hatton can fight a tomato can in Manchester and make twice that or fight Oscar or JMM and make ten million plus, five times what Manny is looking at.

4. They both agreed on 50-50 before Christmas. Then Manny started asking for more money.

So what does that tell you?

EDIT : Manny-Diaz did 250 000 buys. He did 400 000 against JMM. So after he beat JMM it made him so popular with US boxing fans that the PPV buys almost halved for his next fight. That tells me that the bottler Manny needs a popular Latino or American fighter in the other corner to sell lots of PPVs.

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Originally Posted by JoeyUK

My opinion of pac man has dropped a considerable amount after this.. not because I'm a Hatton fan boy, it's just his greediness, who would of thought someone as 'generous' as pac man would be arguing over such a large amount of money.. I heard Hatton even suggested 55-45 for pac man but he still didn't budge.

I guess he'll have to settle for his 3M fights then.

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its not hatton that suggested the 55-45, its pacman last offer ;D and hatton don't even give in. i think pacman has all the rights to have bigger slice with this fight, he is famous all over the world and well hatton is famous too just in UK and very few in US ;D. and i don't think pacman is greedy, he's just following the footstep of de la hoya :). and that's what you call the P4P and the PPV King.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

As far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.

(Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)

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If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.

Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.

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Hatton-Lazcano was a comeback fight against a no-name opponent. Manny moving up to lightweight and fighting another Latino was an event that America's boxing fans wanted to see. And how many PPVs did it sell? 400 000. Hatton brings the equivalent of 600 000 PPV buys to the table from the UK only and sells thousands of tickets, turning the fight into an event. So Hatton single-handedly brings almost twice as much revenue to the table than a Manny fight has ever generated other than his fight against Oscar for which 1.4 milllion Americans paid to watch Oscar and 0.1 million Manny fans paid to watch Manny. Manny might have the number one ranking but Hatton is now far and away the number one-ranked revenue generator in boxing.

So some things we know for sure.

1. Hatton brings more money to the event than Manny.

2. Manny claimed before Oscar he only wanted big money fights in future.

3. Hatton is easily the biggest fight out there for him in terms of money. If Manny doesn't fight him he's looking at somebody like Soto or Campbell for a couple of million. Hatton can fight a tomato can in Manchester and make twice that or fight Oscar or JMM and make ten million plus, five times what Manny is looking at.

4. They both agreed on 50-50 before Christmas. Then Manny started asking for more money.

So what does that tell you?

EDIT : Manny-Diaz did 250 000 buys. He did 400 000 against JMM. So after he beat JMM it made him so popular with US boxing fans that the PPV buys almost halved for his next fight. That tells me that the bottler Manny needs a popular Latino or American fighter in the other corner to sell lots of PPVs.

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yeah, and those latinos are legend in boxing. well, hatton is very famous in UK and can bring lots of money in the table and fight those no names, and no names boxer is like you fight those bums that can easily find in the streets :box3::flush:. hehehhe peace man!

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Originally Posted by ross

In fact, dont be surprised to see Hatton try making a match with Barrera if he does beat Khan, that will be a massive advert for a Barrera match up, in the UK and hes still well known in the US as well.

Manny has shit out big time!

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yah, hatton fights again a boxer bums who once defeated with the king pacman. they are a good pair ;D;D

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Originally Posted by littlebif

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Originally Posted by joniebeeuk

I'm well gutted at the outcome of this,It seemed a done deal until Paquiao started to talk crap,He knew full well that Hatton wouldn't back down and just say go on then Manny,You have the majority,When the arena would have been packed out with Hatton fans,And the draw he is on PPV,It was just nonsense,And i think Paquiao intentionally did this to dodge the fight,Sadly.

I know De La Hoya was well beaten by Paquiao,But if he won there would have been the super fight of De La Hoya and Hatton,Any chance of that happening now,It would be in Britain too wouldn't it?

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I hope not.Hatton doesnt want to be fighting fighters that have just been soundly beaten at this stage in his career.Plus what weight would it be at we all saw what effect it had on ODH making 147 it killed him.

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hatton fight de la hoya the old man..:confused: poor hatton, he can't fight pacman so he will fight an old man.;D and i know it would be a mismatch. hehehe

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

As far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.

(Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)

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If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.

Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.

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Hatton-Lazcano was a comeback fight against a no-name opponent. Manny moving up to lightweight and fighting another Latino was an event that America's boxing fans wanted to see. And how many PPVs did it sell? 400 000. Hatton brings the equivalent of 600 000 PPV buys to the table from the UK only and sells thousands of tickets, turning the fight into an event. So Hatton single-handedly brings almost twice as much revenue to the table than a Manny fight has ever generated other than his fight against Oscar for which 1.4 milllion Americans paid to watch Oscar and 0.1 million Manny fans paid to watch Manny. Manny might have the number one ranking but Hatton is now far and away the number one-ranked revenue generator in boxing.

So some things we know for sure.

1. Hatton brings more money to the event than Manny.

2. Manny claimed before Oscar he only wanted big money fights in future.

3. Hatton is easily the biggest fight out there for him in terms of money. If Manny doesn't fight him he's looking at somebody like Soto or Campbell for a couple of million. Hatton can fight a tomato can in Manchester and make twice that or fight Oscar or JMM and make ten million plus, five times what Manny is looking at.

4. They both agreed on 50-50 before Christmas. Then Manny started asking for more money.

So what does that tell you?

EDIT : Manny-Diaz did 250 000 buys. He did 400 000 against JMM. So after he beat JMM it made him so popular with US boxing fans that the PPV buys almost halved for his next fight. That tells me that the bottler Manny needs a popular Latino or American fighter in the other corner to sell lots of PPVs.

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Ive seen that Pac-Diaz PPV figure listed as under 200,000.

And I'd like to add they sold only 8,000 tickets too ;D

meh, I imagine Jim Watt brought more dough to the fight than Alexis Arguello. Anyways, if PAC-Hatton does come off, an interesting number will be UK ppv buys compared to say the Hatton Maglianaggi fight. Then we can talk about how much credit PAC can get for UK ppv buys.

Anyone have a good link where records of PPV buys are kept?