Even if it only till the outcome of Pac/Hatton JMM is PFP#1

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

He whupped a D level fighter. There's only so much credit you can give him

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David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight ;D. The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

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I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight? ;D
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight ;D. The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

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I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight? ;D
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

Both Pacquiao & Marquez are great fighters!

Although I thought JMM won the rematch (as well as the 1st) both were extremely close fights that could have gone either way, I have to accept the official verdicts & for that fact alone Pacquiao is still the #1 P4P imo!

Hopefully Pacquiao will get past Hatton & the path will be clear for a rubber match with Marquez... as this is the only real way that the superior fighter can be established!

But given the great/ close fights these two put on when they're in the ring together it may take more than 3 fights to prove who is better!

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight ;D. The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

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I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight? ;D
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

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Labeling DDiaz a D level makes Cruz an E and Casa a F level fighter...

DDiaz >> Cruz >> Casa ... ok?
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight? ;D
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

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Labeling DDiaz a D level makes Cruz an E and Casa a F level fighter...

DDiaz >> Cruz >> Casa ... ok?
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No not ok. Medgoen 3k Battery is a D level fighter, does that make PAC an E level fighter? Because you can't have one argument without the other here, just following your logic.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

David Diaz a D level fighter who whupped Armando Santa Cruz an E level boxer who in turn whupped Casamayor a F level boxer... Is this the logic of your statement above?
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Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Diaz fight ;D. The only thing Diaz was missing in with Pacquiao was a big bow tied around his head ....and a realistic chance of emerging victorious

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I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight? ;D
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Ever watch a dog chase his tail?Even on the other side of it,Casamayor is leaps & bounds ahead of Diaz.
ran across this one and having the same effect :cwm13:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJy-xtHfHY

Bilbo has done good work here.

Saddoboxer, :vd:

first time for that one

IMO Pac is still p4p#1 on my list

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

I've seen that fight... Cruz was KO'ed, stopped by DDiaz in the 10th... There's no controversy there... DDiaz was the clear winner...

Something tells me you have never seen that Cruz-Casa fight. But if you've seen it, who do you think won that fight? ;D
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Diaz did catch Santa Cruz, but I didn't have him winning one round up until that point. Watching Diaz in that fight it was clear he may have heart, but not the skill to go with it. Santa Cruz is not an E level fighter, he just got caught.

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Labeling DDiaz a D level makes Cruz an E and Casa a F level fighter...

DDiaz >> Cruz >> Casa ... ok?
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Since those fights were made a couple of years ago, I'd say you difinitely have a valid point!

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Originally Posted by Pravus

I have felt this about JMM for years, and it seemed like after every one of his fights, the press and commentators would say the same, at least for a while. The man is so humble and so unassuming outside the ring, however, he just doesn't seem to get the recognition he deserves. I'm hoping that after this fight, as I do after every one of his fights, that people will continue to praise him even after the high wears off.

Juan Diaz's face plant will be hard to erase from memory though, so it may take some time for this high to wear off ;)

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