Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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P4P means you are the best boxer around regardless of size.
Manny has beaten more current linear champs than Floyd has, infact has Floyd beaten any?
Take light welter, Floyd fought Gatti then ran away from Tszyu, he ran up a weight to take longer to beat a fighter that Tszyu had smashed off the canvas.
There is no denying Pacquiao has fought some very dangerous fighters, even dangerous fighters who dont draw crowds, like Marquez, right after he beat Mab, when he could have taken a soft touch, whereas Floyd has avoided all his percieved threats, like Tszyu, Mosely, Cotto, Margarito and Williams.
Lets be fair and get and use the facts straight let not just spew words because you don't like a fighter. Lineal champs mean crap nowadays. The belts are ran by corrupt organizations. And yes, PBF has beaten lineal champs. Remember he got crap for taking on the lineal champ in Baldomir for the most money. And for his debut at 135 he took on the lineal champ in Castillo then did it again. As for Tszyu, PBF wanted Tsyzu and even went to negotiations. Tsyzu's plan was to go at Hatton first. PBF called out Mosley twice when Mosley was a fearsome lightweight knocking everyone out. Both times Mosley flat out refused with excuses. Remember when Mosley went from 135 to 147? Did he do that to avoid Tsyzu? When PBF fought the cash cow DLH he was accused of ducking the real threats. Mosley skipped an entire division to get at DLH and so did Pac. But I think neither ducked anyone. Its called cherrypicking and every fighter does it. Boxing is a business and you must use smart marketing, crafty management, and make intelligent business decisions.
Baldomir being Lineal champ shows you just how much that means.
Fensters thread on fighting for money over legacy was bang on and to be honest i don't see the problem with that. Would you rather be a broke 45 year old Tyson or a rich 45 year old Mayweather. Mayweather had already done more than enough to be proclaimed the best fighter of his generation before he took on the Hatton/ODLH fights. Nothing wrong with lining his pockets against very credible opponents. How anybody can think ODLH and Hatton were just gimmes is beyond me.
And the 'why didn't he fight Cotto/Margarito/Williams' argument'
Even though Floyd was classified as a welterweight it's only day before weigh ins that allow Cotto/Margarito and Williams to fight there....probably not Williams anymore.
Cotto and Margarito are probably a weight division above Mayweather come fight night. If they had to weigh in on the day of the fight Mayweather and Cotto/Margarito wouldn't be allowed anywhere near each other. Day before weigh ins are the dumbest thing in the sport of Boxing. It's ok saying Floyd doesn't fight 'real welterweights' when in reality Cotto and Margarito aren't anywhere near real welterweights. They are more like Middleweights come fight night anyway. Like i said if there were same day weigh-ins they would be getting on for 2 divisions apart given that Floyd's optiumun weight would be around 148/150 come fight night wheras Cotto/Margarito would be around 160. The haters forget the weight issues when talking about him 'ducking' Cotto/Margarito but are quick to bring them up when he fights somebody who is probably much closer to his natural weight come fight night.
Yes, good post. But that is systemic to boxing. Given the rules as is, you have to work within them. If Floyd isn't a natural welter within the rules, he should fight at 140 and jump the next day like everyone else. He shouldn't call himself a welterweight, however, if he is only fighting smaller men.
Floyd should fight at 140 and jump up in weight if he wants the size advantage that Margarito and Williams have, but if he is going to stay at 147, fight the guys at 147. Play the sport by the rules.
Manny fought Hatton at 140. Hatton's natural weight. Hatton walked into the fight with five or six pounds on Manny.
Floyd fought Hatton at 147. He is fighting Marquez at 145 - Marquez hasn't ever fought a fight above 135!
Also, Cotto fought at 140 pretty recently, it is even arguable that he is a small welterweight.
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Double standard is when PBF fans say its legit and OK for a natural 135 pounder to be fighting a "natural welterweight" at 147, yet makes up excuses why that certain "natural welterweight" doesn't have to fight the other real welters at 147 because they are "Big Welterweights" ;D;D;D
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Double standard is when PBF fans say its legit and OK for a natural 135 pounder to be fighting a "natural welterweight" at 147, yet makes up excuses why that certain "natural welterweight" doesn't have to fight the other real welters at 147 because they are "Big Welterweights" ;D;D;D
We only say Mayweather is a natural welterweight because he took the step up to fight at 147.
We don't know what the case is with Marquez. Body-wise he's quite thick set. Rather than use weight categories to identify a fighter's 'true weight' i think it's definitely fairer to go by what they weigh come fight night. It gives a fair more accurate reflection of what their fighting weight is. This is where my argument of same day weigh-ins comes in (different topic i know).
My argument is come fight night Mayweather and Marquez will roughly weigh the same. I don't see how it can be any more clearer. It clearly wouldn't be the case if Mayweather was fighting Cotto or Margarito. There would be about a 10-12lbs difference. Not saying that that makes in a totally unfair match-up but you have to throw in the fact that Marquez is p4p#2 and in some peoples eyes number 1 because he 'beat' Pac twice. It's a very appealing fight. Probably more appealing than a fight against Cotto who has just come off an ass-whooping by Margarito and a win over Michael fucking Jennings.....plus he has a date with Clottey anyway. Margarito has a ban, so who else do you expect him to fight?
He probably will fight Cotto somewhere down the line (if he can avoid defeat along the way)anyway so it's not really a big deal. I'm not making excuses for Mayweather not fighting the bigger welters, i'm just saying it's not a double standard just because he's fighting Marquez. It's a perfectly reasonable match-up coming off an 18 month sabitical....given that Margarito is banned and Cotto is fighing Clottey.
I just don't see how Mayweather can be accused of not taking challenging fights when his last 3 fights have been against fighters who rule the divisions between 135 - 154. Where the hell do you want him to fight? Do you all expect him to make lightweight to fight Marquez? Given that Margarito is banned, Cotto and Clottey have a date, Hatton has just been battered, Oscar has retired, Pac has just had a fight, who would you be happy with him fighting? Next you'll be saying how convenient it is for Mayweather to come out of retirement at a time where all of the above cannot fight him.
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Let me think erm Williams or Shane Mosley :rolleyes:
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Double standard is when PBF fans say Belts and Lineal Champs mean crap nowadays as an excuse to avoid certain fights, but defends PBF when he took on Baldomir over certain better fighters that could have made better purse, saying that Baldomir was the logical option because he was the champ and holds a belt ;D;D;D
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Double standard is when PBF fans say Belts and Lineal Champs mean crap nowadays as an excuse to avoid certain fights, but defends PBF when he took on Baldomir over certain better fighters that could have made better purse, saying that Baldomir was the logical option because he was the champ and holds a belt ;D;D;D
same thing could apply to Manny for taking on David Diaz instead of Casamayor or Campbell ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
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Hahaha im not arguing that mate ;D But seriously, fans will be fans. There will always be double standards in favor or against your boxer. Not fair to complain when the double standard goes against your fighter when you are doing your own double standard in favor of your fighter IMO.
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Double standard is when PBF fans say Belts and Lineal Champs mean crap nowadays as an excuse to avoid certain fights, but defends PBF when he took on Baldomir over certain better fighters that could have made better purse, saying that Baldomir was the logical option because he was the champ and holds a belt ;D;D;D
same thing could apply to Manny for taking on David Diaz instead of Casamayor or Campbell ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
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I promise this is the last ;D
Double standard is when PBF fans takes the punch stat numbers from the DLH fight to point out that it wasn't a close fight and should have been a UD for PBF, but when presented with punch stat numbers from the 1st Castillo fight, says that its a whole different story and should be looked at differently ;D;D;D
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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The_Infinite
I promise this is the last ;D
Double standard is when PBF fans takes the punch stat numbers from the DLH fight to point out that it wasn't a close fight and should have been a UD for PBF, but when presented with punch stat numbers from the 1st Castillo fight, says that its a whole different story and should be looked at differently ;D;D;D
lol just for the record i'm not a Mayweather fan, just don't see why he's getting attacked by most people for things that Pacquiao is doing himself, albeit in a more discreet way, with all the catchweight bullshit
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My honest answer to that is ... because Pac is a likeable guy who engages in exciting fights. While Mayweather is a loud mouth, arrogant, self promoting dude who usually is in boring fights ;D
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I promise this is the last ;D
Double standard is when PBF fans takes the punch stat numbers from the DLH fight to point out that it wasn't a close fight and should have been a UD for PBF, but when presented with punch stat numbers from the 1st Castillo fight, says that its a whole different story and should be looked at differently ;D;D;D
lol just for the record i'm not a Mayweather fan, just don't see why he's getting attacked by most people for things that Pacquiao is doing himself, albeit in a more discreet way, with all the catchweight bullshit
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oh the infinite wisdom. lol
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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ElTerribleMorales
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The_Infinite
I promise this is the last ;D
Double standard is when PBF fans takes the punch stat numbers from the DLH fight to point out that it wasn't a close fight and should have been a UD for PBF, but when presented with punch stat numbers from the 1st Castillo fight, says that its a whole different story and should be looked at differently ;D;D;D
lol just for the record i'm not a Mayweather fan, just don't see why he's getting attacked by most people for things that Pacquiao is doing himself, albeit in a more discreet way, with all the catchweight bullshit
My honest answer to that is ... because Pac is a likeable guy who engages in exciting fights. While Mayweather is a loud mouth, arrogant, self promoting dude who usually is in boring fights ;D
I second that...;D
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Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Mayweather dominated 2 weight classes. And lets be real nobody is dominating 147! Even Pac chose to cherrypick DLH out of that division and you'll never see him there again. Regardless of who you think is better. Can you be honest and say that there is definitely a Mayweather double standard?
First of all, DLH called out Pac, you have it the other way around. And second, nobody knew DLH was gonna be weight drain the night he fought Pac. FYI, Pac was the heavy underdog. 28 out of 30 of so called "boxing experts" picked DLH to win. Stop making shit up.
Making what up? Back it up with facts. DLH hadn't fought at 147 in how many years? So he called Pac out? How about when Mosley called Pac out? How about Margarito calling Pac out? And I call Pac's move a cherrypick because he only took DLH call up offer. No real threat at 147 even got looked at. That is cherrypicking. You don't have to call the person out to cherrypick. How about Pac cherrypicking David Diaz at 135? I don't blame Pac for taking the cash cow DLH but don't overly credit him(drool on his balls) for fighting someone who was not a top 147 pounder. He wasn't even a 147 pounder. At 154 would have been credible. And lets keep your mouth clean and your facts also.
DLH wants the money fight with Pac. So the fight was fought at a catchweight. They agreed with it. But still fans like you still thinks DLH will win easily.
Roach wants Mosley now. Pac said He knows how to beat Margacheato but Mosley got cheato 1st.
Diaz was picked because they belong to the same Toprank stable. Besides everybody knows Sta Cruz beat Casamayor. Diaz has a KO win over Sta Cruz?? After Diaz Pac challenges DLH. Did Pac need to prove anything at 135 after what he did to DLH?
You judge Pac & PBF differently coz they are different size. Pac just fought once at 147 by jumping 2 weight Class. PBF move up Gradually to 147. Floyd fought some easy fights at 140 & 147 before he fought the Top guys. Pac goes straight at DLH & hatton in his 1st fight at those weight classes. Pac also beat up DLH & Hatton a lot easier that what Floyd did. It Just Proves that Pac is the better fighter.
