Nobel Prize goes to Obama...

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Every time I point out you're wrong on the FACTS you invent new ones. Bush didn't need to spend money, he'd inherited a budget surplus, not a once-in-a-century meltdown.

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Did I invent that???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB_lILm-r50"They need help now"...DIRECT QUOTE from Obama

As for Bush, if I recall correctly the Sub Prime bubble burst in 2008 while W was still in office.

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You're inventing the FACT that Obama was the only person asking for a stimulus. Both sides agreed that there needed to be one, they just disagreed on how to do it. Now if you go back and compare this FACT to the original FACT you were wrong about you'll see you've gone off on a tangent again.

It wasn't a subprime bubble, it was a housing and general credit bubble, subprime was only a small part of it. And it started as well as finished during Bush's presidency, Bush allowing the easy money policies and scrapping masses of regulations that allowed the bubble to form and the meltdown to happen.

Where were the Republicans out there demanding stimulus???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Where were the Republicans out there demanding stimulus???

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President of the United States George W. Bush, was accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who later died in a questionable case of suicide. Bush was also accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper, who was quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999. Another serious question involves statements from the wife of Red Blount, whom Bush campaigned for, while possibly A.W.O.L from the Air National Guard at age 26. She stated that he was "all over their 14 year old daughter."


Parker J. Bena was a Republican activist and a key player in the campaign to elect George W. Bush as President. Bena was charged and later pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography and lying to the FBI. Bena reportedly told the feds that he had received an unsolicited e-mail containing pictures of children (some as young as three years old) performing various sexual acts, but agents learned that he had in fact voluntarily entered a number of child pornography websites and downloaded the images himself. This is said to have involved acts with children as young as 3 years old, on his home computer. Parker J. Bena was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Mark Foley, Republican Representative, Florida Sixteenth Congressional District. Resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages via an instant messenger program. The conversations included his asking a sixteen-year-old "stud" whether his penis was erect and requesting that he take out and measure his penis. The cover-up involved Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner, Ohio Eighth Congressional District and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Illinois Fourteenth District.

Newt Gingrich, well established crusader against legislation that assists women and the poor, has married three times while spouting Christian values the entire time. Newt Gingrich's campaign worker Anne Manning, admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife, essentially placing Newt in the exact same position President Clinton had to endure when Gingrich and his cronies maintained their pressure over the Lewinski incident. Gingrish informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Where were the Republicans out there demanding stimulus???

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Go back and read the papers from the relevant period. The only real difference of opinion was should the stimulus be fiscal spending (Democrats) or should it be tax cuts (GOP). Despite tax cuts being completely useless as a stimulus the GOP ended up voting for a bipartisan stimulus which was 60/40 fiscal/tax cuts, apart from the ones who were grandstanding by voting against. If McCain had been prez the stimulus would have been 60/40 the other way (even less effective than the bill that passed) but there still would have been a stimulus. And don't forget the first part of the stimulus was signed by Bush.

...not a whole bunch of Conservatives were on board with that first Stimulus

Wednesday, January 30, 2008
The House overwhelmingly approved a $146 billion shot in the arm for the nation's ailing economy yesterday, sending a stimulus package to the Senate with a bipartisan appeal not to slow down the bill with significant changes.....




The 385 to 35 vote marked a rare moment of bipartisan comity in the House, as Democrats and Republicans took to the floor to praise the cooperation shown by their leaders and the Bush administration in forging a package of tax rebates and business investment incentives....




$146 Billion Stimulus Plan Passes House - washingtonpost.com


Don't you ever get tired of being wrong about everything? When you make a claim in a post in future how about checking first to see whether it has any basis in reality first?

....it doesn't say who didn't vote for it

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....it doesn't say who didn't vote for it

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here you go,

Pretty bipartisan

House Dem. yea - 216 / no - 10 / No vote - 5
House Rep. yea - 169 / no - 25 / No vote - 5

Senate Dem. yea - 46 / no - 0 / No vote - 3
Senate Rep. yea - 43 / no - 6 / No vote - 0
Senate Ind. yea - 2 / nay -0 / No vote - 0

Click the links below for a list of actual names.
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House votes
110th Congress, 2nd session, House vote 25 | Congressional votes database | washingtonpost.com

Senate votes
110th Congress, 2nd session, Senate vote 9 | Congressional votes database | washingtonpost.com

So in the end Republicans 36 voted no or didn't vote while only 18 Democrats voted no or didn't vote....the numbers back up my story as MORE Republicans were against the bill than Democrats.

Thanks for backing me up Killersheep ;)

It's a serious question. Do you never get tired of being wrong? Wouldn't you like to be right just once about something to break the monotony?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

It's a serious question. Do you never get tired of being wrong? Wouldn't you like to be right just once about something to break the monotony?

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....you should talk

So we went from.......

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...not a whole bunch of Conservatives were on board with that first Stimulus

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to..........

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Originally Posted by Lyle

So in the end Republicans 36 voted no or didn't vote while only 18 Democrats voted no or didn't vote....the numbers back up my story as MORE Republicans were against the bill than Democrats.

Thanks for backing me up Killersheep ;)

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86.69% of republicans voting for it could be considered "a whole bunch"

Granted after you applied a revision to state more Democrats voted for it, you are correct. Clearly the left with standing at 93.57% voted for it.

Of course with a spread of 280 members being democrat and 248 being republican along with 2 independents which I will leave out for arguments sake. To say that it was not a bipartisan vote is absolutely ridiculous.
At a total 90.31% of congress voting for it, with 46.79% of congress being Republican, you have no stats, reasons, youtube videos etc. that can support your initial claim.

If someone got stabbed 36 times, would you say they got stabbed "a whole bunch" of times?

See "whole bunch" is vague and therefore OK termanology for me to use in this situation.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If someone got stabbed 36 times, would you say they got stabbed "a whole bunch" of times?

See "whole bunch" is vague and therefore OK termanology for me to use in this situation.

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So does that mean you didn't have a point to begin with? Or is 36 now a bigger number than 212? Or does 87% or 212 congressional members of a party somehow NOT reflect a whole bunch, would you rather I amend the statement now to say Overwhelming majority?

Or would you rather talk about semantics or knife fights instead of your point.

....all I can say is I am very disappointed in those 212 people :mad: