Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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killersheep
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cnote111
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killersheep
You cannot be reasoned with.
We are going to be denied the defining fight of our generation because PAC won't take a drug test.
By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...
It's done in the Olympics. And it should be done for title fights as well.
I'm talking only about Boxing, nothing else...
How are Title fights any different then a regular professional fights??? DON"T SAY MONEY!
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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cnote111
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hitmanhatton
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cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...
If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...
I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...
Absolutely disagree with this, if the tables were turned EVERYONE on this site would jump on Mayweather's case. There is not one person here that would defend Floyd avoiding a drug screen.
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
By anyone not being convince on their position does not mean they can't be reasoned with.. There is a level of agreeing to disagree... I could say the same about anyone feeling this type of testing is acceptible, but yet it has never been done before...
It's done in the Olympics. And it should be done for title fights as well.
I'm talking only about Boxing, nothing else...
How are Title fights any different then a regular professional fights??? DON"T SAY MONEY!
Title fights are the top of the sport, for athletes to have a clean Olympic drug screen to compete for title fights would be a welcome thing for me.
Is it that wrong of a thing to have a clean drug screen?
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
So what if Floyd is subjected to the same test.. Everyone doesn't react the same... In addition to that, it was his idea which says to me, he isn't effected at all by blood tests.
This is all a psychological game "money" is playing and I really don't think Floyd believes even a juiced up manny could beat him... Floyd is trying to be bigger then the sport, it is not his responsibility to have his opponent drug tested above and beyond what the sport has been doing for years... In addition to that why wait until all the contracts were good to go and everything that actually related to the rules of the fight were agreed upon to make such a rediculous request?
This is so stupid..
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...
If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...
I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...
ye and they were fine with it untill now ... whats changed.. i would suspect alexi ariza may have suggested that taking the test may not be a great idea
8oz gloves had never been at 147 in nevada before july last year, now you wouldt do with out them for little pac... bringing this testing in isnt no worse than that
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
first of all how does floyd know that pac is even affected by a test... how do you ?
and it is his responsibility to prevent damage to himself and his career if he is fighting a 'potential' drugs cheat
I only know for myself, and i also trust PAC knows for himself...
If the tables were turned and PAC accused "Money" of being juiced and requested this type of testing, and then Floyed said No because he believes it would effect his performance. There would be Pac Fans saying he is scared and Floyd fans saying what i have been saying...
I just don't think any fighter has the right to control the drug screening process...
Absolutely disagree with this, if the tables were turned EVERYONE on this site would jump on Mayweather's case. There is not one person here that would defend Floyd avoiding a drug screen.
Floyd has a lot of critics, me included. The key here is that Floyd is not the one refusing, so there is no point reversing the argument. Floyd has allowed the fight to go ahead, it is Manny stalling on the isue of a few nicks of blood.
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:
It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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miles
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:
It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.
It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...
However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways
The agreed weight, gloves, ring, venue, etc etc are all about the logistics and contracts of the fight... Drug testing is about the rules of boxing and should be no different regardless of who is fighting...
EVERYONE IS EQUAL!
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
ye and 'boxing' hasnt decided floyd should be charged $10 mil per pound over the weight limit, pacquiao requested that, it works both ways
The agreed weight, gloves, ring, venue, etc etc are all about the logistics and contracts of the fight... Drug testing is about the rules of boxing and should be no different regardless of who is fighting...
EVERYONE IS EQUAL!
that's why we have weight classes, and also the penalties for going over weight goes into the rules of boxing, "they should be no different regardless of who is fighting....EVERYONE IS EQUAL!!!"
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:
It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.
It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...
However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha
No, my safety is just as important. So, perhaps we have too many loopholes in pro boxing. Maybe it needs an overhaul. Something always needs a precedent before things take over and become the new norm. Thanks for the concern BTW! ;D
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I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
If there is anyone here who TRUELY believes that Pac doesn't want to take a blood test because he's "superstitious" or would feel weak, than you are truely niave as hell.
Pac has something to hide, don't kid yourself. Pac is roiding.
