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Well peter is pretty shitQuote:
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Areola, fat and crap.
Thompson
Chambers
Moli
Even Corey Sanders was meant to be an easy ass fight on paper it just backfired.
Those were all after the event and all could beat Audley.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerWell peter is pretty shitQuote:
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Yup
Areola, fat and crap.
Thompson
Chambers
Moli
Even Corey Sanders was meant to be an easy ass fight on paper it just backfired.
#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.
Ha - David "The Ducker" Haye's fans are dilusional.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;903399][QUOTE=Hornfinger;903396]Bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.
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[QUOTE=Hornfinger;903431][QUOTE=El Kabong;903399]Horn. They would all beat Audley. Every one of them. And all would be better fights against Haye than Audley by a ton. Where is Audley ranked right now? Where were those guys ranked when Wlad fought them?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.
[QUOTE=Rantcatrat;903438][QUOTE=Hornfinger;903431]I disagree, i think Audley would beat Peter, like he did in the amateurs. You could make a case for Audley beating all of those. Of course you could make a case for them all beating him. What you have to decide is which is worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHorn. They would all beat Audley. Every one of them. And all would be better fights against Haye than Audley by a ton. Where is Audley ranked right now? Where were those guys ranked when Wlad fought them?Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerBullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.
A) - Haye fighting Audley, after fighting Ruiz and after travelling to fight Valuev
or B) - Wlad Peter (despite already beating him fairly easily), Chambers, Chagaev, Rahman, Thompson
In all honesty there's little in it. So it's hypocritical to call Haye for taking on an 'easy' fight when Wlad's recent resume is a who's who of decidedly average heavyweights.
Even after this loss I doubt Sam Peter loses to Audley....look at their ages Sam Peter 30, Audley Harrison 38...8 years doesn't seem like much now, but 20 vs 28 is a HUGE difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Everyone in A) was protected except Audley who just plain sucks. Chagaev (undefeated), Chambers (undefeated), Thompson (underrated), and Sam Peter was the mandatory after the #1 Contender backed out, and the best part Wladimir stopped them all even the ones that had never been stopped or even beaten before.....so I can't see how anyone can defend group A.
I have to add 1 thing. Just because fighter A beats fighter B in the amateurs doesn't mean he does it in the pros. Henry Tillman for example, he beat both Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson in the amateurs, then got ko by both in the pro game. Pros and amateurs are entirely different scenarios.
Also it needs to be stated Wladimir right now has 9 consecutive title defenses, which is tied with Mike Tyson at the moment...so 3-4 more years 2-3 fights a year, 20 consecutive title defenses isn't out of reach.
I think title defenses should only count when they are recognized as the universal champ or lineal champ. Tyson only has 3 or 4 as the recognized 'man' in the division. Quite a few people out there don't recognize him as being the youngest champ over Patterson or that Tyson was not really champ until he beat the lineal champ in Spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Wlad could get to 25 title defenses for his ABC straps and it would not be recognized as great as Joe Louis 25 title defenses. And I don't even need to get into the reason why, especially in a era of 4 champs per division by the ABCs.
Chagaev might have been undefeated but his best wins were struggles over Valuev and Ruiz. The very same fighters you are discrediting in the beginning of your argument. His opponents either side of those great victories were Michael Sprott and Matt Skelton. Skelton actually did alright against him funnily enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongEven after this loss I doubt Sam Peter loses to Audley....look at their ages Sam Peter 30, Audley Harrison 38...8 years doesn't seem like much now, but 20 vs 28 is a HUGE difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Everyone in A) was protected except Audley who just plain sucks. Chagaev (undefeated), Chambers (undefeated), Thompson (underrated), and Sam Peter was the mandatory after the #1 Contender backed out, and the best part Wladimir stopped them all even the ones that had never been stopped or even beaten before.....so I can't see how anyone can defend group A.
Chambers wasn't undefeated. He'd already lost by the time he fought Wlad. Besides he hadn't clearly won a fight since beating Cisse Salif. I'm not even sure what's under-rated about Tony Thompson. He spent the entire fight with Wlad looking for a way out, but then somehow got applauded for his efforts and heart.
Oddly enough, Harrison will have been around 28 when he fought Peter in the amateurs. Maybe a year or so younger and he pretty much boxed circles round him. Granted they'd have to be very large circles, but still he managed it. Granted it was only the amateurs and it was a long time ago, but it supports the theory that Harrison could hang quite well with Peter....which imo he could, easily.
OK so what are we not counting yet? Or do we start when Wlad beat Sultan? Do we start when Wlad beat Chagaev?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
ono....fine whatever you say, without fighting ANYONE Chicken Little and now Audley Harrison could beat EVERYONE....fucking comical how that works out. Who beat these guys before Wlad? Who stopped them? Who dominated them? You know why Ruiz and Valuev never fought Wlad? Because Don King knew they would lose and Don King had no piece of Wladimir and wasn't going to have a piece of them and so he chose not to put his fighters in with guys that would beat them.