Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Admek was shit at Lhw who did he ever beat worth a shit really and Dawson owning was embarrassing. So please don't mention Spinks with Admek please there was a huge difference in talent. Also all you have are ifs with Vatili i mean big deal Holyfeild was 40 years of age and up for most of his loses. The one you brought up was pretty much a man who should of retired. When your still depends on speed and out put those are kinda the things to go when you get older so he was not close to same fighter.

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Ok I gt this all the time when discussing Holyfield..

So where exactly WAS Holyfield's prime??

The Moorer fight was slated as heart trouble, hepatitis and what not which seemed to plague him around this time as in the 3rd bowe fight.

Just after that he was already considered "shot" by some ppl.

So that leaves his conquering of Douglas until the Bowe loss right! 7 fukin fights!

Surprisingly in that time, his established prime, he was not regarded as such a great champion as he would be. And it's a no wonder because whilst his opponents were good (aging Foreman and Holmes, Cooper etc) they were not exactly stellar opponents were they, certainly no better than anything on Vitali's resume!

And the big fight he did have against Bowe, somewhat comparable to Vitali by happenstance although imo not quite as good, he bloody lost!

Adamek is another champion boxer, don't try to lower him to the point of a poor fighter either.

I think Holyfield is a tough opponent for Vitali but I could never bring myself to BET on him in this one.

Holyfeild won the rematch with Bowie and then got sick i don't think he was shot but he was having some medical issue i think is fair to say. Rematch with Bowie which if not for fan man he most likely would of stopped him showed how good Holyfeild could be. As for you comparing Adamek to fucking Micheal Spinks is a fucking joke i am sorry dude not saying his shit but not in same breath as Spinks. At Lhw he won a strap thats it off a guy who was iced in a round by green then got his ass kicked by Dawson in very one sided fight then has a close win over Cunningham who went on get his ass kicked by new guy who might be good who knows. At hw he has been ok but who has he really beat that has any kinda if facter or was champ for a while no one. I just don't see how you can compare that to a Guy who was Champ not just a belt Holder at Lhw and Hw league apart in the skill department and there same size as well so i really don't want that to be brought up alright. Spinks beating aging Holmes is better then anything Adamek has done also not to mention how he was the best fucking Lhw of all time or close to i am just saying Spinks way better fighter.

Adamek is better than Spinks imo.

I know Spinks got Holmes 2ce but those were 2 very controversial fights in which Holmes could have been nodded and never ever was Holmes in any traumatic trouble against Spinks.

Adamek has beaten Chris Arreola, no matter what you rate him, that's one tough mean mother fucker man with good skills and a big punch and goes all night. Golota, Grant, remember them? Chambers, Cunningham, McBride and so on.. He's proven against a good array of fighters both hefty and slick and held up well, fuck he even fought Vitali and did alright considering.

Tyson showed us what Michael Spinks was really worth at HW, absolutely nothing! Spinks was to Tyson what Leapai was to Klitschko except much worse, no weigh and no chin!

One would be forced to conclude that Adamek would atleast last more rounds against Tyson than Spinks did!

You can have your chinny little Spinks, I'll take Tommy mate ;)

Well I don't think Bowe would have been knocked out, it was a close fight and that it was different to the first encounter is also a consequence of Bowe coming in fat as fuck too! As if Vitai would ever come in to fight in that state! I think Bowe proved his superiority by the end of that whole series.

Evander was very very good but as they say, a good big man will beat a good little man.

And Vitali is one of the very best big men! Adamek was like a schoolboy to Vitali who is the same size as Holyfield. I'm sure Holy would put up more of a solid fight but not for the win.

Unusually here though Mr. 140, I gotta admit that it's just my opinion, there is enough doubt for me to admit I could be wrong here.

If I learned anything from Holyfield it is that you can never count him out of any fight.

Adamek better than Spinks? You got to be kidding me.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

Adamek is better than Spinks imo.

I know Spinks got Holmes 2ce but those were 2 very controversial fights in which Holmes could have been nodded and never ever was Holmes in any traumatic trouble against Spinks.

Adamek has beaten Chris Arreola, no matter what you rate him, that's one tough mean mother fucker man with good skills and a big punch and goes all night. Golota, Grant, remember them? Chambers, Cunningham, McBride and so on.. He's proven against a good array of fighters both hefty and slick and held up well, fuck he even fought Vitali and did alright considering.

Tyson showed us what Michael Spinks was really worth at HW, absolutely nothing! Spinks was to Tyson what Leapai was to Klitschko except much worse, no weigh and no chin!

One would be forced to conclude that Adamek would atleast last more rounds against Tyson than Spinks did!

You can have your chinny little Spinks, I'll take Tommy mate ;)

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Larry Holmes would box Arreolas fucking ears off!

Spinks was better than Adamek, he just happened to fight one the greatest ever physical phenoms that boxing has ever seen. Tyson did, what a heavyweight like him is supposed to do with an ex light heavy.

Chambers and Cunningham at heavy for Adamek? Both a robberies:rolleyes:

The list of names you mentioned to prove Adamek at heavy is a joke. Its pretty much the same as Hayes shit run at heavy (bar Chisora).

Old never was names.

Adamek would go the same way against Tyson.

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Originally Posted by Master

Adamek better than Spinks? You got to be kidding me.

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At HW it seems so.

Why don't you take a trip down memory lane a review the whole Tyson vs Spinks fight. That guy was not fit to be in the same ring as a modern HW as evidence by the ridiculous ease with which Tyson eliminated him.

Adamek would have been a much more durable opponent for Tyson, atleast he can sustain verticality for more than a fraction of a round!

I honestly think if Holyfeild would of boxed more like he did in the second fight he would of won he really did not fight smart verse Bowie. He thought he could just out hustle the man and try to trade which was not the smartest of moves. Spinks at Lhw i am pretty sure could take Adamek at Heavyweight i am not sure really some of your names you brought up there best days were behind them others were counters or gate keepers. Tyson was the only man to ever put Spinks on the mate his whole career and i don't think Tyson Knocking you out makes you chiny really he could do the same to Adamek or anyone really. Spinks was a far greater fighter and Holmes fights were pretty close. Seen both men and from what i have seen the skill is way different and accomplishments at the weights its fair to say that Spinks is way ahead in both departments. All we can do is analyze i guess but i pretty confident in my opinion on it which is all this really is i guess. I do not think it is really crazy to think Spinks was a better fighter at hw kinda up in the air like you said but Holmes did very well in all eras he was in and Spinks gave him a hell of a fight.

Well it's another hazy opinion of mine too actually, one I would surely back Tomasz, I think he beat the better opponents all round, the Holmes victories were the really shining HW achievements for Spinks. I suppose I can envision them having a close fight too, if Spinks could take Adamek I can't see it being an easy night for him.

Spinks was slick I'll give you that.

I think Holyfield did what he could against Bowe, Bowe was pretty awesome man, he just had the tools to get the job done with Holyfield. There was no blueprint he could follow, like for Tyson that could allow him to "work Bowe out".

Of course we still know that Holyfield CAN beat Bowe atleast because he in fact did and nobody cn take that away from him. So I guess it's not out of the question he could do the same to Vitali either.

Since when did you start being the voice of reason! :confused:

Look through my post when did i ever say the brothers could not compete in any era. I just said there comp was not that great and the 90's era was just better really that is all. I stick up for Ali because he managed to win against the odds a lot also for Holmes and Foreman because those old fuckers came back in there 40's in a stacked divsion one became champ the other i felt was robbed against McCall and shout of had a belt to also made Mercer who was wrecking people look like he never boxed before. Thing is you kinda one sided on a lot of things which i can see because the brothers get shit on so i don't think your total wrong but think you kinda pump up this era like others down play it. As for Holyfeild my favorite fighter of all time never knew with him his heart it pretty much makes old timers look like pussies even with ross tinted glasses.

Sometime, just sometimes, I might potentially inflate the case just a little bit...

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Originally Posted by Max Power

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Originally Posted by Master

Adamek better than Spinks? You got to be kidding me.

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At HW it seems so.

Why don't you take a trip down memory lane a review the whole Tyson vs Spinks fight. That guy was not fit to be in the same ring as a modern HW as evidence by the ridiculous ease with which Tyson eliminated him.

Adamek would have been a much more durable opponent for Tyson, atleast he can sustain verticality for more than a fraction of a round!

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What was Spinks very first fight at heavyweight? What was his second fight at heavyweight?

Exactly dick brain.....

Yeah 2 wins against a great fighter, that really is special, takes on a very strong but dummy fighter next, then a completely embarrassing massacre from another great HW.

Problem is, Cooney was not a mover.

Holmes was not a puncher.

Spinks is probably about as good as Cunningham in my estimation.

Tyson, he was a mover AND a puncher, not a common combination before Tyson but very common afterwards.

Take Adamek's best win at HW, Chris Arreola, not as fast as a prime Homes obviously but still very fast for a 240lber! Plus rangier and with savage KO power.

Can you see Michael Spinks flipping around the ring all night withstanding Chris? I can't. He did not have the chin for that I don't reckon.

At the end of the day, Spinks virtually tied Holmes on points but didn't really hurt him.

Google Michael Spinks and then google Tomasz Adamek as well, I hate to break out strength and stuff like that again but it's a relevant side issue here. Most non-boxing people would look at both and dismiss Spinks of having much chance. Adamek is a good fighter man. Not saying Spinks was not either!

Changing the subject back to something remotely in tune with the thread and avoiding this stalemate we've approached...

Interesting article Freedom included on Heavyweight fight schedule.. "Before you go knocking Klitschko-Leapai" or something or other. Worth a careful read that one!!

There is no stalemate, Spinks would have out boxed Arreleo. Did you see how fast his combinations were against Cooney? Same punches against Chris would embarrass him.