Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds: The Cotto & Miranda Show

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Where are all the Green fans at?

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

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Where are all the Green fans at?

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Don't get me wrong I don't wanna talk shit!

I just wanna find out what they think wen't wrong. From their perspective.

cOTTO was boxing very well until the butt.Urkal has always been known to be tough,fought the last 4-5 rounds v Tszyu with a broken shoulder.And Harris tko'ed him after Urkal broke his nose in training for the fight.Admittedly Cotto reacted poorly to the cut but if you don' t think those butts were intentional,you need to go and watch it again.He was leaning in with his head.

Cotto used his jab,he should have used more but it was nice to see his defence was up,some nice movement and those ripping bodyshots!Admittedly the ending was slightly unsatisfactory(OPEN SCORING SUCKS) but Cotto won and looked decent until the cut.

I've yet to see Miranda-Green..about to watch it now! Wacth Maruqz-Vazquez.sensational boxing,knockdowns,skills,beautfiul to watch!
And Green looks like a cocky asshole,I hope Miranda KTFO green!!!

Afeter the cut because of the head but Cotto Looked like he did protecting that eye but he looke ok been fighting with that damage. Urkal did OK because of his head but abilities causing Cotto to protect that eye( a situation Cotto had never been in). So stop bashing Cotto. Great refereee he should have took more points but what the hell cotto still won.

Green looks awful thus far(I'm up to round 6)After alllllllllllllllllllllllll the shit talk,he's fighting scared.He's just trying to survive.Has he thrown a meaningful punch? What is he waiting for? Miranda needs to KTFO this guy!

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Where are all the Green fans at?

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Don't get me wrong I don't wanna talk shit!

I just wanna find out what they think wen't wrong. From their perspective.

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From watching the fight it looked like Green thought he would catch Miranda with a big counter shot(like that left hook) and didnt expect Miranda's jab to be as good as it was.

What went wrong? He was fighting Edison Miranda.

But apparently Lennox thought that him coming down from 168 took a toll on his body because he didnt look as energized.

Anyone buying that ???

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Where are all the Green fans at?

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Don't get me wrong I don't wanna talk shit!

I just wanna find out what they think wen't wrong. From their perspective.

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What happened to Green? Miranda happened to him. Once he felt his power, Green became scared to let his hands go. The one time he did, he hurt and floored Miranda. Once a fighter becomes scared to let his hands go, he's pretty much lost the fight. Green lost it in the first round.

Re: Allen Green . I didn’t see the technical superiority that lots of folks were talking about before the match ? acting like Miranda is some kind of brainless knob or something ? Miranda was schooling Green something fierce , Miranda was out boxing out punching and putting on serious pressure the whole course, even when Edison knew he had it in the bag, he still comes out in the 12 with serious intent and finishes strong . ! Miranda is everything you love to see in a prize fighter !

Miranda is the man! Fwock Green! Look at Pantera's attitude,he wanted to fight,he made the fight,He could have played smart but Pantera hunted Green down.Miranda's an animal!Get that fwocking Abraham in the ring!!

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Re: Allen Green . I didn’t see the technical superiority that lots of folks were talking about before the match ? acting like Miranda is some kind of brainless knob or something ? Miranda was schooling Green something fierce , Miranda was out boxing out punching and putting on serious pressure the whole course, even when Edison knew he had it in the bag, he still comes out in the 12 with serious intent and finishes strong . ! Miranda is everything you love to see in a prize fighter !

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Perfect post,CC. I have only seen 2 Green fights,so I could not really comment on his boxing skills but if that is what everyone was alluding to,you must be joking right!!What skills? He was just trying to survive.He probably felt the power from the right hand in the first round and thought I'll just try to survive.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Miranda is the man! Fwock Green! Look at Pantera's attitude,he wanted to fight,he made the fight,He could have played smart but Pantera hunted Green down.Miranda's an animal!Get that fwocking Abraham in the ring!!

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Re: Allen Green . I didn’t see the technical superiority that lots of folks were talking about before the match ? acting like Miranda is some kind of brainless knob or something ? Miranda was schooling Green something fierce , Miranda was out boxing out punching and putting on serious pressure the whole course, even when Edison knew he had it in the bag, he still comes out in the 12 with serious intent and finishes strong . ! Miranda is everything you love to see in a prize fighter !

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Perfect post,CC. I have only seen 2 Green fights,so I could not really comment on his boxing skills but if that is what everyone was alluding to,you must be joking right!!What skills? He was just trying to survive.He probably felt the power from the right hand in the first round and thought I'll just try to survive.

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CC back!
yelp Green was having problems with Miranda's superior strength and overall determination factor. to Allen's credit he really did all he could. sometimes in a match you get caught with a shot at some point and your body does not do what your mind is telling it, almost like a short circuit. even though your up right and not out ! your still not functioning on all cylinders, so you try and adapt to the situation as it is and make the best of it . that’s what I think happened to Green , He did what he could

I just find it ironic that some of these boxers(Green being a great example)talk the talk,but look at how he fought. Things got so heated between these 2 that they did not even pose for photos before the fight. Green ran his mouth over and over and over.Pantera responded by saying wait until the fight and he was right. I'm sure Green has to donate like $150,000 to charity now or something..they had a bet,I posted it a while ago...Green's idea ::** ;D

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just find it ironic that some of these boxers(Green being a great example)talk the talk,but look at how he fought. Things got so heated between these 2 that they did not even pose for photos before the fight. Green ran his mouth over and over and over.Pantera responded by saying wait until the fight and he was right. I'm sure Green has to donate like $150,000 to charity now or something..they had a bet,I posted it a while ago...Green's idea ::** ;D

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Yeah when someone starts the trash talk and all that tuff guy shit , It kind of gives me a stiffy ! ;D the real guys don't say nothing. Usually very polite and quite, those are the fighters you better watch out for ! the mouths on the other hand are just trying to boast confidence in themselves a sign of self doubt. not always, but usually.

Yeah! I saw none of those technical advantages that people said Green had over Miranda....

Thanks for the RBR everyone.

Hopped outta bed this morning and straight on the laptop to see the scores!

Cotto did the bizz against a tough, but limited Urkal by all accounts?

suprised by the Miranda result - i thought it would be points victory for Green or stoppage by Miranda = not a points win for Miranda!

sounds like it was not a battle of skill V power, but more about courage ? shows that regardless of the weight, Miranda can certainly crack.

Let's hope miguel's cut dont put of the Zab fight.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Re: Allen Green . I didn’t see the technical superiority that lots of folks were talking about before the match ? acting like Miranda is some kind of brainless knob or something ? Miranda was schooling Green something fierce , Miranda was out boxing out punching and putting on serious pressure the whole course, even when Edison knew he had it in the bag, he still comes out in the 12 with serious intent and finishes strong . ! Miranda is everything you love to see in a prize fighter !

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You are right :coolclick: How can you not like Miranda????? He is tough as nails crowd pleasing personable fighter, who is determined to leave it all in the ring if he had to, he fights with courage and heart.. Oh!! and a Thunderbolt of a right hand ;D.... Miranda has been growing on me little by little after the Eastman fight, I can tell you this kid is in my top 5 for favorites...

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Re: Allen Green . I didn’t see the technical superiority that lots of folks were talking about before the match ? acting like Miranda is some kind of brainless knob or something ? Miranda was schooling Green something fierce , Miranda was out boxing out punching and putting on serious pressure the whole course, even when Edison knew he had it in the bag, he still comes out in the 12 with serious intent and finishes strong . ! Miranda is everything you love to see in a prize fighter !

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You are right :coolclick: How can you not like Miranda????? He is tough as nails crowd pleasing personable fighter, who is determined to leave it all in the ring if he had to, he fights with courage and heart.. Oh!! and a Thunderbolt of a right hand ;D.... Miranda has been growing on me little by little after the Eastman fight, I can tell you this kid is in my top 5 for favorites...

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Now see...I like Miranda...but Green was the superior boxer in technique.

He just did what many others would do...he lost his head after getting clocked & tasting that power. I just don't feel so sure about Miranda as a whole.

Wack,elaborate.HOW was Green superior in technique?

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Wack,elaborate.HOW was Green superior in technique?

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He landed the better jab & set his punches up better.

Watch the match again & you'll see that Miranda does a good bit of lunging & looping with his punches. You can almost see them coming before he throws them.

Green's the better boxer...but Miranda's the harder hitter...at the end of the night it didn't make a bit of a damn because Miranda owned him. Green just fell apart when he got clocked.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Wack,elaborate.HOW was Green superior in technique?

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He landed the better jab & set his punches up better.

Watch the match again & you'll see that Miranda does a good bit of lunging & looping with his punches. You can almost see them coming before he throws them.

Green's the better boxer...but Miranda's the harder hitter...at the end of the night it didn't make a bit of a damn because Miranda owned him. Green just fell apart when he got clocked.

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IWO. ;D

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Where are all the Green fans at?

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Don't get me wrong I don't wanna talk S***!

I just wanna find out what they think wen't wrong. From their perspective.

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What happened to Green? Miranda happened to him. Once he felt his power, Green became scared to let his hands go. The one time he did, he hurt and floored Miranda. Once a fighter becomes scared to let his hands go, he's pretty much lost the fight. Green lost it in the first round.

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Miranda was not hurt from that punch...It was a studder step...Green was in no way close to having Miranda on ice from that. Even if he jumped on him the second he got up

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Re: Allen Green . I didn’t see the technical superiority that lots of folks were talking about before the match ? acting like Miranda is some kind of brainless knob or something ? Miranda was schooling Green something fierce , Miranda was out boxing out punching and putting on serious pressure the whole course, even when Edison knew he had it in the bag, he still comes out in the 12 with serious intent and finishes strong . ! Miranda is everything you love to see in a prize fighter !

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You are right :coolclick: How can you not like Miranda????? He is tough as nails crowd pleasing personable fighter, who is determined to leave it all in the ring if he had to, he fights with courage and heart.. Oh!! and a Thunderbolt of a right hand ;D.... Miranda has been growing on me little by little after the Eastman fight, I can tell you this kid is in my top 5 for favorites...

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Now see...I like Miranda...but Green was the superior boxer in technique.

He just did what many others would do...he lost his head after getting clocked & tasting that power. I just don't feel so sure about Miranda as a whole.

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Gotta say I agree 100%. IMO Miranda is like Sam Peter. There is so much power he is always dangerous but he lacks that technique needed. I also think that just Like Peter. If he developed some boxing skills he would be a dangerous dangerous man....Guys that hit like those two with some ability??....SCARY!!!

Hell they don't have to become tacticians...Just straighten out some shots a little bit more patience and improve on the defense....all easily fixable

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Now see...I like Miranda...but Green was the superior boxer in technique.

He just did what many others would do...he lost his head after getting clocked & tasting that power. I just don't feel so sure about Miranda as a whole.

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Gotta say I agree 100%. IMO Miranda is like Sam Peter. There is so much power he is always dangerous but he lacks that technique needed. I also think that just Like Peter. If he developed some boxing skills he would be a dangerous dangerous man....Guys that hit like those two with some ability??....SCARY!!!

Hell they don't have to become tacticians...Just straighten out some shots a little bit more patience and improve on the defense....all easily fixable

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:coolclick: on the Sam Peter comparison.

There again...Peter improved in just shy of a 4 month period of time with the Toney rematch. I wouldv'e hoped Miranda would do the same thing.

Maybe he will.

Yeah I like the Peter comparision a lot more then I like the Lacy comparision. I just don't see much Lacy in Miranda....

Just watched the fight for the first time. I thought it was a 12 round fight. Green disappointed me in just how unwilling he was to engage Miranda who was there to be hit. He would hit him once, get something back and then cover up or hold. I didn't expect much from Green but I at least didn't expect to find any shortage of heart. And I really don't feel he gave it his all that fight.

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Now see...I like Miranda...but Green was the superior boxer in technique.

He just did what many others would do...he lost his head after getting clocked & tasting that power. I just don't feel so sure about Miranda as a whole.

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Gotta say I agree 100%. IMO Miranda is like Sam Peter. There is so much power he is always dangerous but he lacks that technique needed. I also think that just Like Peter. If he developed some boxing skills he would be a dangerous dangerous man....Guys that hit like those two with some ability??....SCARY!!!

Hell they don't have to become tacticians...Just straighten out some shots a little bit more patience and improve on the defense....all easily fixable

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:coolclick: on the Sam Peter comparison.

There again...Peter improved in just shy of a 4 month period of time with the Toney rematch. I wouldv'e hoped Miranda would do the same thing.

Maybe he will.

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IMO that is something I put more on the trainers and management team then the fighter themselves...IMO it is a trainers job to fix things the fighters job to learn....

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Yeah I like the Peter comparision a lot more then I like the Lacy comparision. I just don't see much Lacy in Miranda....

Just watched the fight for the first time. I thought it was a 12 round fight. Green disappointed me in just how unwilling he was to engage Miranda who was there to be hit. He would hit him once, get something back and then cover up or hold. I didn't expect much from Green but I at least didn't expect to find any shortage of heart. And I really don't feel he gave it his all that fight.

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Well thats what happens when your mouth writes checks your ass can not cash....I don't think Green realized exactly how hard Miranda hit....At times it looked as though he was looking for one big shot but there was that fear of being caught...

It is a lot easier to say what your going to do and it is a lot easier have all these predictions in your head planned out then it is to carry them out...

Prime Example of a situation like that is George Foreman...He looks so slow and his punches look like they would be so easy to avoid but all of a sudden once in the ring...You can't help but get hit by these slow thudding shots...

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Yeah I like the Peter comparision a lot more then I like the Lacy comparision. I just don't see much Lacy in Miranda....

Just watched the fight for the first time. I thought it was a 12 round fight. Green disappointed me in just how unwilling he was to engage Miranda who was there to be hit. He would hit him once, get something back and then cover up or hold. I didn't expect much from Green but I at least didn't expect to find any shortage of heart. And I really don't feel he gave it his all that fight.

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Well thats what happens when your mouth writes checks your a** can not cash....I don't think Green realized exactly how hard Miranda hit....At times it looked as though he was looking for one big shot but there was that fear of being caught...

It is a lot easier to say what your going to do and it is a lot easier have all these predictions in your head planned out then it is to carry them out...

Prime Example of a situation like that is George Foreman...He looks so slow and his punches look like they would be so easy to avoid but all of a sudden once in the ring...You can't help but get hit by these slow thudding shots...

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Goes back to what Mike Tyson said once "Everybody has a plan till they get punched in the mouth!"

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Cotto got mentally frustrated.His body shots didnt seem to wear urkal down.He intentionally punched him in the back,and tried to throw him over his shoulder.Urkal doesnt fight dirty.Cotto steps in a throws with his head down and urkal tried to slip and grab him...so I dont know what fight some of you were watching.Amat you can justify Cotto's performance he has a couple of things he needs to work on.

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Then you must not know what your talking about.Cotto steps forward and throws with his head down..and urkal tried to slide under and tie up with him.That is not intentioinal!Ask any boxer or trainer.You say that cotto has improved everytime???He has gotten rocked in just about all of his last fights except the urkal fight.He continues to take big shots...Torres,Corley,Malignaggi ALL had him dazed.His whole game plan is to weaken his opponent with body shots...and it just didnt happen in this fight.

Watch the fight again. I've watched it twice tonight. Urkal butted him 3 times & if they weren't intentional then I don't know what were. After he & Urkal clashed & he got cut...Urkal came in with his head everytime that Cotto closed the gap.

You not seeing that...I'd be just as curious as to what fight you were watching.

Cotto aint perfect...but he's got room to grow & he does improve with time & each outting.

The proof is in the pudding. He's beaten everyone that beat him in the am's & he's moved up in weight & continued to work & win.

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Cotto got mentally frustrated.His body shots didnt seem to wear urkal down.He intentionally punched him in the back,and tried to throw him over his shoulder.Urkal doesnt fight dirty.Cotto steps in a throws with his head down and urkal tried to slip and grab him...so I dont know what fight some of you were watching.Amat you can justify Cotto's performance he has a couple of things he needs to work on.

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Then you must not know what your talking about.Cotto steps forward and throws with his head down..and urkal tried to slide under and tie up with him.That is not intentioinal!Ask any boxer or trainer.You say that cotto has improved everytime???He has gotten rocked in just about all of his last fights except the urkal fight.He continues to take big shots...Torres,Corley,Malignaggi ALL had him dazed.His whole game plan is to weaken his opponent with body shots...and it just didnt happen in this fight.

Watch the fight again. I've watched it twice tonight. Urkal butted him 3 times & if they weren't intentional then I don't know what were. After he & Urkal clashed & he got cut...Urkal came in with his head everytime that Cotto closed the gap.

You not seeing that...I'd be just as curious as to what fight you were watching.

Cotto aint perfect...but he's got room to grow & he does improve with time & each outting.

The proof is in the pudding. He's beaten everyone that beat him in the am's & he's moved up in weight & continued to work & win.

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once again another good point olympian904?????????????
dont just repost someone elses post mate. if you agree or disagree with it bud at least say so ???

I posted my response in the wrong spot.

Then you must not know what your talking about.Cotto steps forward and throws with his head down..and urkal tried to slide under and tie up with him.That is not intentioinal!Ask any boxer or trainer.You say that cotto has improved everytime???He has gotten rocked in just about all of his last fights except the urkal fight.He continues to take big shots...Torres,Corley,Malignaggi ALL had him dazed.His whole game plan is to weaken his opponent with body shots...and it just didnt happen in this fight.

I thought Cotto fought a bit of an immature fight, he didn't look focused before the fight and he let Urkal frustrate him too easily. Thought the ref was a bit of a clown, every time they got shoulder to shoulder he'd tell Urkal not to use the head, Urkal was leaning down to protect his body and Cotto fights with his chin tucked and his head down, I only saw one butt that might have been intentional, at the end of I think the 8th round after Cotto got in a left hook to Urkal's back. Even if Urkal was butting him intentionally, Cotto's gotta keep his focus better.

I've become a Cotto fan but he can't underestimate fighters and he's gotta keep his head in the fight , it didn't really matter in that fight but against an elite guy he's gotta stay focused no matter what happens.

As for Miranda, he is limited but he's got a fighter's mentality, on the other hand, its funny to watch a guy who acts so cocky but really is totally unsure of himself. Green just refused to take any chances, there were so many opportunities to counter with a right after Miranda would throw that wild, lead left hook and he just refused to. You could tell, at the end of the eight round after he knocked Miranda down, he told his corner something like "I can do this", like it just dawned on him that maybe he could beat Miranda. That's not a confident fighter.

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I posted my response in the wrong spot.

Then you must not know what your talking about.Cotto steps forward and throws with his head down..and urkal tried to slide under and tie up with him.That is not intentioinal!Ask any boxer or trainer.You say that cotto has improved everytime???He has gotten rocked in just about all of his last fights except the urkal fight.He continues to take big shots...Torres,Corley,Malignaggi ALL had him dazed.His whole game plan is to weaken his opponent with body shots...and it just didnt happen in this fight.

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Olympian904 you are talking out the side of your neck now.
Show me or anyone else here the footage of Malignaggi dazing Cotto.

Now getting back to the head butts, I will post all the times this German dude was charging with his head. He was using it as a weapon. Intentionally pushing cottos face with it.
Don't tell me this is standard practice. This guy was even bouncing off the ropes and lunging forward with his head as a battering ram.

In the mean time, find me the clip where Cotto is dazed by Malignaggi. I have the fight. Tell me what round/time and I will post it.

OumaFan is 100% right.
DannyG..wtf?He never charged with his head.Cotto takes a hard step in and fires with his head down.Urkal was just trying to come under it and tie up.I agree with Oumafan that there was one intentional one after cotto Intentionally punched him in the back.It amazes me what some people on here say...b/c obviously someones a Cotto groupie.We have way to many Larry Merchants on here.Cotto got frustrated about the accidental headbutt and continued to cry to the ref...The same way Green got frustrated and tried to cry to the ref.post your cottovsmalignaggi fight on youtube and i'll flip through it.

Oh I have to post the Malignaggi fight for you?
I asked you to tell me what round it is so I can find it and you don't know? I wonder why.

Right now I am working on the Urkal head butts.

I've heard Cotto being dazed by Paulie,when was this? I honestly don't remember seeing it. I agree though,Cotto works the body better than anyone around BUT,he should not forget to go the head. I think he may have been unmotivated for this fight.He has already stated,he wants the big fights.

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OumaFan is 100% right.
DannyG..wtf?He never charged with his head.Cotto takes a hard step in and fires with his head down.Urkal was just trying to come under it and tie up.I agree with Oumafan that there was one intentional one after cotto Intentionally punched him in the back.It amazes me what some people on here say...b/c obviously someones a Cotto groupie.We have way to many Larry Merchants on here.Cotto got frustrated about the accidental headbutt and continued to cry to the ref...The same way Green got frustrated and tried to cry to the ref.post your cottovsmalignaggi fight on youtube and i'll flip through it.

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I am going to make you look real stupid after I post this fight footage of Urkal lunging forward like a goat over and over again with his head. Should I insult you in the clip?
Like you insulted me? You bet I am. I will dedicate the video to you and I will add my insults right into the clip.
The ref was right there and he did his job very well.
You sit there and listen to old azz commentators. They are commentators not referees. I hate when people watch a fight and are influenced by commentators. Sometimes it's just better to hit the mute button. IMO.
In all fairness to Lenox Lewis, he was seeing the head lunging too. I wonder why Merchant and Lampley were not catching it. Are they as old as you or are you as old as them? Were they both drinking out of the same cup? Where you drinking last night or do you suffer from old timers disease like Merchant and Lampley?

I am still waiting for the clip of Malignaggi dazing cotto. Here is a hint, why not search in the 13th or 14th round, I think it's somewhere in between those two. LOL

1st and foremost I cant stand Larry Merchant.2nd I dont live on the computer which is why I asked you to upload the malignaggi fight.I really want to see where you are claiming that Urkal is lunging forward with his head and his hands down.DannyG...have you ever boxed a day in your life...or are you just on here to talk sh*t...and if so have you ever attended any national tournys...accomplishments?just wondering.

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I saw nothing impressive from Cotto.As for the head butts...they weren't intentional.Cotto steps forward and fires with his head down.This fight showed many of Cotto's flaws.When he misses he misses wide,his so-called body shots didnt affect the fight,and he takes waaaayyy to many shots.Urkal is a tough one though.I see where his corner is coming from...the red was extremely biased.

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Sorry to the Cotto fan's (I am one of them BTW), but I also thought most the headbutts were unintentional. Cotto reminds me of Trinidad. Little head movement but an extremely strong fighter (being undefeated, he must think no one can hurt him. . . probably no one has). I think Urkal was just one tough cookie. Any person less then Urkal would have gone down earlier in the rounds. In fact, Urkal seemed to have gained his second wind in the later rounds (he even backed up Cotto a couple of times). Despite the heavier punches of Cotto, I actually thought he also won 2 rounds on punches connected. I think Urkal complained that the Referee did not even give a warning or have points deducted from Cotto despite being the recipient of a the kidney punch and throw over-the-shoulder.

Cotto should learn to move his head more often. Someone quick with a heavy hand would possibly give our man a lot of trouble.

halo I agree with you 100%

Cotto has been hurt before by Torres.

IMO there was at least 1 VERY obvious intentional head butt by Urkal the rest he was coming in with his head down....

I only saw one intentional headbutt...and it was after Cotto punched him in the back.