Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!

I don't think the hunger is there anymore to be honest. He was there last night to have fun. I'm not so sure he'd enjoy it so much against a world class light-heavy who has the will to win and the power to back it up.

Stil i was impressed with his speed and his showboating was entertaining. Tito actually looked pretty good, wasn't rusty at all imo. His timing was great....just a shame about the size difference.

I wouldn't get so carried away to predict Roy could beat Calzaghe or Hopkins, but i do think he'd still have enough to beat Clinton Woods....if he wanted it bad enough.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

When you consider that prime Roy Jones was possibly the greatest fighter ever it's certainly not outside the realms of possibility that he could be smart enough to retune his style to adapt to his older, less mobile body.

Ali did it, Ray Robinson was able to roll back the years and Big George managed it also to a lesser degree. Roy Jones was certainly as good as those guys at his peak and it's possible in my opinion that he could be able to stun the world with a comeback worthy of those guys and position himself well inside the Top 10 greatest of all time list.

I'm not saying it WILL happen I'm saying it's POSSIBLE.

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There are a lot of people who would strongly disagree with the parts in bold, including myself.

I knew Roy would not KO Tito, I just knew it.

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Jones did good. Won convincingly. But I'm kinda pissed he didn't try to take Tito outta there. Just let him go the distance. A bit disapointing IMO.

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Especially after all what hes been saying .

Cant change the habits of a lifetime I guess !

RJJ was fast.Tito was competetive for a few rounds. I agreed with Kellerman and Steward,RJJ controlled that fight.When RJJ came forward,he would own Tito.If he wanted to counter,he could. Tito's power had zero effect on Roy.

However,I still stand by my original statement. Jones was the bigger man and it showed. Against B Hop and JC in particular,he would not have as much of an advantage. I agree his speed was good,in single shots. I'm pretty confident in saying that Calzaghe would totally outwork him and win an easy UD. JC fights 3 minutes of every round,Jones doesn't. I'd love to see Jones beat up B Hop but I think Hop is too wiley for Jones at this stage in their careers,he would pick off Jone single shots and would counter Jones. I have zero interest in that fight,it would be a snooze fest imo.

As for Tito,he was game but he was ultimately over matched. Where does he go from here? Who knows. I don't think his power is effective at this weight and I don't think he can hang with the elite 168 pounders nor make 160. I would say retire but I know he won't.

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RJJ was fast.Tito was competetive for a few rounds. I agreed with Kellerman and Steward,RJJ controlled that fight.When RJJ came forward,he would own Tito.If he wanted to counter,he could. Tito's power had zero effect on Roy.

However,I still stand by my original statement. Jones was the bigger man and it showed. Against B Hop and JC in particular,he would not have as much of an advantage. I agree his speed was good,in single shots. I'm pretty confident in saying that Calzaghe would totally outwork him and win an easy UD. JC fights 3 minutes of every round,Jones doesn't. I'd love to see Jones beat up B Hop but I think Hop is too wiley for Jones at this stage in their careers,he would pick off Jone single shots and would counter Jones. I have zero interest in that fight,it would be a snooze fest imo.

As for Tito,he was game but he was ultimately over matched. Where does he go from here? Who knows. I don't think his power is effective at this weight and I don't think he can hang with the elite 168 pounders nor make 160. I would say retire but I know he won't.

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Id like to see a return too .

So did you enjoy the fight last night Gamo ? I thought it was too one sided to be enjoyable

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RJJ was fast.Tito was competetive for a few rounds. I agreed with Kellerman and Steward,RJJ controlled that fight.When RJJ came forward,he would own Tito.If he wanted to counter,he could. Tito's power had zero effect on Roy.

However,I still stand by my original statement. Jones was the bigger man and it showed. Against B Hop and JC in particular,he would not have as much of an advantage. I agree his speed was good,in single shots. I'm pretty confident in saying that Calzaghe would totally outwork him and win an easy UD. JC fights 3 minutes of every round,Jones doesn't. I'd love to see Jones beat up B Hop but I think Hop is too wiley for Jones at this stage in their careers,he would pick off Jone single shots and would counter Jones. I have zero interest in that fight,it would be a snooze fest imo.

As for Tito,he was game but he was ultimately over matched. Where does he go from here? Who knows. I don't think his power is effective at this weight and I don't think he can hang with the elite 168 pounders nor make 160. I would say retire but I know he won't.

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Id like to see a return too .

So did you enjoy the fight last night Gamo ? I thought it was too one sided to be enjoyable

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Unfortunately my friend,I can't say I overly enjoyed it either. It was...alright.That sums it up perfectly. First few rounds were competetive,next 9 were one sided. Jones could do as he wanted,when he wanted and Tito could do nothing to stop him. Jones wasn't interested in the KO,Tito didn't have the power to hurt Jones,things became too samey,round after round.

I didn't see any real fire from either fighter.

Yeah and I think Tito cant be blamed for that . Once he got dropped he didnt trade with Jones after taht but Jones though was easily in control . It would have been nice therefore if he took 1 or two chances especially cuz b4 the fight he said a points win wasnt acceptable .

Jones seemed to have his buzz back thats been missing since the Ruiz fight . Maybe he knew he could afford the swagger we saw cuz he seemed intent on showing off throughout the fight .

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Yeah and I think Tito cant be blamed for that . Once he got dropped he didnt trade with Jones after taht but Jones though was easily in control . It would have been nice therefore if he took 1 or two chances especially cuz b4 the fight he said a points win wasnt acceptable .

Jones seemed to have his buzz back thats been missing since the Ruiz fight . Maybe he knew he could afford the swagger we saw cuz he seemed intent on showing off throughout the fight .

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To be fair,Jones ha salways been a showman. In what was one of the worst fights I have ever seen in mylife,the third Tarver fight,he was showing off more than he was throwing punches. He was certainly more confident but then he should be,Tito started at WW and fought no higher than 160,Jones has fought at HW.

Jones said that but he was doing nothing more than hyping the fight. I didn't envisage a KO at all.It was an ok fight.A big payday for both though,I'd like to see what kind of numbers it done? Anyone have any estimates?

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Originally Posted by LeftHookToTheBody

I tell you what, my opinion will be different than most, but this proves to me that Jones is washed up. The fact the he could not knock out a man 23 pounds beyond his best weight tells me all I need to know. Kudos to Tito for making it the distance, but Jones failing to put the much smaller man away--a much smaller man who had not fought in a couple of years--tells me all I need to know about Roy. He's done in his weight class.

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Couldn't or didn't? ::**

He wanted to put on a show (that was pretty obvious...) and probably respected tito to much to finish him off. At one point he backed tito into a corner and started throwing... could of caught him but he literally leaped away from tito and let him out the corner...

I'm guessing you missed that... whether you were looking at the time or not you obviously didn't see it.

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RJJ was fast.Tito was competetive for a few rounds. I agreed with Kellerman and Steward,RJJ controlled that fight.When RJJ came forward,he would own Tito.If he wanted to counter,he could. Tito's power had zero effect on Roy.

However,I still stand by my original statement. Jones was the bigger man and it showed. Against B Hop and JC in particular,he would not have as much of an advantage. I agree his speed was good,in single shots. I'm pretty confident in saying that Calzaghe would totally outwork him and win an easy UD. JC fights 3 minutes of every round,Jones doesn't. I'd love to see Jones beat up B Hop but I think Hop is too wiley for Jones at this stage in their careers,he would pick off Jone single shots and would counter Jones. I have zero interest in that fight,it would be a snooze fest imo.

As for Tito,he was game but he was ultimately over matched. Where does he go from here? Who knows. I don't think his power is effective at this weight and I don't think he can hang with the elite 168 pounders nor make 160. I would say retire but I know he won't.

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Id like to see a return too .

So did you enjoy the fight last night Gamo ? I thought it was too one sided to be enjoyable

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Unfortunately my friend,I can't say I overly enjoyed it either. It was...alright.That sums it up perfectly. First few rounds were competetive,next 9 were one sided. Jones could do as he wanted,when he wanted and Tito could do nothing to stop him. Jones wasn't interested in the KO,Tito didn't have the power to hurt Jones,things became too samey,round after round.

I didn't see any real fire from either fighter.

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I totally disagree i thought it was a good fight, and a lot better than everyone expected. Jones stood toe to toe and it made for an exciting fight. Even when Jones took over Tito would bravely try and fire back, Tito's left hook to the body was his money punch. And i disagree with your last comment as well. I think both fighters showed plenty of fire, Jones has been very gun shy lately, but he come out last night and showed a good range of offensive skills and comeback when he was losing the fight. Even Tito when he was starting to lose a grip on the fight didn't get discouraged and would still fire back.

Tito can easily go back down to 160 and be a force, and Jones should for certain take on the winner of Hopkins vs Calzaghe. I think people are being bit harsh on Tito and Jones. Just remember what we was all saying about how boring the fight would be and etc. But both men gave us an exciting fight even though they are both well past there prime big props from me for both fighters i certainly enjoyed it very much.

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I'm going to watch today's fights later and comment but let's calm down folks and put the fights into perspective. It was questionable whether Tito was going to have the power to hurt Jones in the way Tarver and Johnson did. I find it amazing that people are saying RJJ would beat JC/B Hop. Put the fight into perspective,look at the opponent,the weight etc etc. Let Jones fight someone at 175,a tough opponent,see how he does then and then we can say he is a match for Cal and BHop.

As for Tito,he lost but sounds as if he didn't look too bad.I still don't think he can fight at this weight against the guys in the 168 pound division,so I'm not really syre where he goes from here. I'm totally shocked that Roman lost?!

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For the love of me I cant really understand what guys have to do to get a break around here with some of you... Roy fought a great fight showed excellent defense that wasnt predicated on reflexes as well as not being gunshy

Every last one of you threw dirt on Jones and said he was done, he was weight drained ETC.. He comes out tonite shows out proves the naysayers wrong and really makes a splash and its just not good enough... Bernard Hopkins is a joke who throws 5 punches around and only 2 are legal, and we are getting way ahead of ourselves because we think Roy can beat him.. Cant really agree with that logic

It's good to read some of the positive reviews on the fight (and the fighters) from some of my fellow saddo'ers. When I chime in, it sounds biased (and probably is, to be honest... LOL). But I try to remain objective.

Again, I thought Trinidad fought 10 times better than he did against Winky Wright, probably the worst fight of Tito's career. And about the size difference, I know some people disagree, but I still feel that it's too much to ask for a fighter that has never fought above 160 to impose his power over a fighter that is a natural light-heavy and has even bulked up to fight at heavy..... regardless of the fact that both came in at the same weight.

And I must say...... DAMN! .... that RJJ can sure take punches to the body. That was one of the things that most impressed me about the fight. Tito did the right thing... going to the body hard and often. But Roy didn't seem flustered by that at all.

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It's good to read some of the positive reviews on the fight (and the fighters) from some of my fellow saddo'ers. When I chime in, it sounds biased (and probably is, to be honest... LOL). But I try to remain objective.

Again, I thought Trinidad fought 10 times better than he did against Winky Wright, probably the worst fight of Tito's career. And about the size difference, I know some people disagree, but I still feel that it's too much to ask for a fighter that has never fought above 160 to impose his power over a fighter that is a natural light-heavy and has even bulked up to fight at heavy..... regardless of the fact that both came in at the same weight.

And I must say...... DAMN! .... that RJJ can sure take punches to the body. That was one of the things that most impressed me about the fight. Tito did the right thing... going to the body hard and often. But Roy didn't seem flustered by that at all.

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I have to agree Tito looked awful against Wright, and the funny is Wright done nothing great at all. He threw the same basic combo all night and Tito couldn't seem to adjust, plus he didn't go to the body at all which is the key against fighting someone like Wright something Vargas done very well.

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It's good to read some of the positive reviews on the fight (and the fighters) from some of my fellow saddo'ers. When I chime in, it sounds biased (and probably is, to be honest... LOL). But I try to remain objective.

Again, I thought Trinidad fought 10 times better than he did against Winky Wright, probably the worst fight of Tito's career. And about the size difference, I know some people disagree, but I still feel that it's too much to ask for a fighter that has never fought above 160 to impose his power over a fighter that is a natural light-heavy and has even bulked up to fight at heavy..... regardless of the fact that both came in at the same weight.

And I must say...... DAMN! .... that RJJ can sure take punches to the body. That was one of the things that most impressed me about the fight. Tito did the right thing... going to the body hard and often. But Roy didn't seem flustered by that at all.

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I have to agree Tito looked awful against Wright, and the funny is Wright done nothing great at all. He threw the same basic combo all night and Tito couldn't seem to adjust, plus he didn't go to the body at all which is the key against fighting someone like Wright something Vargas done very well.

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I know Wright is known in boxing circles to be a superb defensive fighter, but I think had Tito fought him like he fought RJJ, it would've been a totally different fight. I'm not saying Trinidad would've necessarily won (maybe, maybe not)... but it would've been VASTLY different.

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It's good to read some of the positive reviews on the fight (and the fighters) from some of my fellow saddo'ers. When I chime in, it sounds biased (and probably is, to be honest... LOL). But I try to remain objective.

Again, I thought Trinidad fought 10 times better than he did against Winky Wright, probably the worst fight of Tito's career. And about the size difference, I know some people disagree, but I still feel that it's too much to ask for a fighter that has never fought above 160 to impose his power over a fighter that is a natural light-heavy and has even bulked up to fight at heavy..... regardless of the fact that both came in at the same weight.

And I must say...... DAMN! .... that RJJ can sure take punches to the body. That was one of the things that most impressed me about the fight. Tito did the right thing... going to the body hard and often. But Roy didn't seem flustered by that at all.

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I have to agree Tito looked awful against Wright, and the funny is Wright done nothing great at all. He threw the same basic combo all night and Tito couldn't seem to adjust, plus he didn't go to the body at all which is the key against fighting someone like Wright something Vargas done very well.

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I know Wright is known in boxing circles to be a superb defensive fighter, but I think had Tito fought him like he fought RJJ, it would've been a totally different fight. I'm not saying Trinidad would've necessarily won (maybe, maybe not)... but it would've been VASTLY different.

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Hey my friend!! Finally we could meet in the forum. I agree, that perhaps Tito could do better against Winky fighting like yesterday. Tito started good, but Jones proved to be too strong for him, when Jones hurt Tito. And, Tito could not damage Jones :'(

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It's good to read some of the positive reviews on the fight (and the fighters) from some of my fellow saddo'ers. When I chime in, it sounds biased (and probably is, to be honest... LOL). But I try to remain objective.

Again, I thought Trinidad fought 10 times better than he did against Winky Wright, probably the worst fight of Tito's career. And about the size difference, I know some people disagree, but I still feel that it's too much to ask for a fighter that has never fought above 160 to impose his power over a fighter that is a natural light-heavy and has even bulked up to fight at heavy..... regardless of the fact that both came in at the same weight.

And I must say...... DAMN! .... that RJJ can sure take punches to the body. That was one of the things that most impressed me about the fight. Tito did the right thing... going to the body hard and often. But Roy didn't seem flustered by that at all.

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I have to agree Tito looked awful against Wright, and the funny is Wright done nothing great at all. He threw the same basic combo all night and Tito couldn't seem to adjust, plus he didn't go to the body at all which is the key against fighting someone like Wright something Vargas done very well.

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I know Wright is known in boxing circles to be a superb defensive fighter, but I think had Tito fought him like he fought RJJ, it would've been a totally different fight. I'm not saying Trinidad would've necessarily won (maybe, maybe not)... but it would've been VASTLY different.

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Hey my friend!! Finally we could meet in the forum. I agree, that perhaps Tito could do better against Winky fighting like yesterday. Tito started good, but Jones proved to be too strong for him, when Jones hurt Tito. And, Tito could not damage Jones :'(

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Hey PRP! Good to see you. I felt Tito did what he could against Jones. He was busy, and he went to the body early and often. But power wasn't effective against Jones, who's used to getting hit by much bigger guys. Roy's resistance to body shots impressed me. I wasn't aware of that side of him. When Tito saw his power wasn't fazing Jones, and Jones put him down the first time, he may have become a bit discouraged. But he kept on firing till the end.

CC #1680, Ice. Thanks for the RBR

I thought Trinidad sort of fazed Roy later on, but like I've said before Roy used to have a really good chin before coming back down(knocked down once and partially due to the group being slippery). I think that Roy would have to find some way to get into better shape if he wants to fight at the top level because for the most part if you have good enough conditioning you will regain that footspeed, he should get a spy in Hopkins training camp or whatever because he needs to learn how to train so that he will be in full form when he fights next.

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I'm going to watch today's fights later and comment but let's calm down folks and put the fights into perspective. It was questionable whether Tito was going to have the power to hurt Jones in the way Tarver and Johnson did. I find it amazing that people are saying RJJ would beat JC/B Hop. Put the fight into perspective,look at the opponent,the weight etc etc. Let Jones fight someone at 175,a tough opponent,see how he does then and then we can say he is a match for Cal and BHop.

As for Tito,he lost but sounds as if he didn't look too bad.I still don't think he can fight at this weight against the guys in the 168 pound division,so I'm not really syre where he goes from here. I'm totally shocked that Roman lost?!

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For the love of me I cant really understand what guys have to do to get a break around here with some of you... Roy fought a great fight showed excellent defense that wasnt predicated on reflexes as well as not being gunshy

Every last one of you threw dirt on Jones and said he was done, he was weight drained ETC.. He comes out tonite shows out proves the naysayers wrong and really makes a splash and its just not good enough... Bernard Hopkins is a joke who throws 5 punches around and only 2 are legal, and we are getting way ahead of ourselves because we think Roy can beat him.. Cant really agree with that logic

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You're over exaggerating. Just because some thought Jones may be weight drained didn't mean they thought he would lose. I certainly did'nt,check the prediciton contest if you don't believe me. I'm merely pointing that just because Jones beat a 2 year retired,never fought higher than 170 pounds Tito does not mean he can beat the 5 punch per round,2 legal Hopkins.That is no logic right there. I'd love love Jones to beat Hopkins,as I stated in a later post on this thread but I don't see it happening.

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RJJ was fast.Tito was competetive for a few rounds. I agreed with Kellerman and Steward,RJJ controlled that fight.When RJJ came forward,he would own Tito.If he wanted to counter,he could. Tito's power had zero effect on Roy.

However,I still stand by my original statement. Jones was the bigger man and it showed. Against B Hop and JC in particular,he would not have as much of an advantage. I agree his speed was good,in single shots. I'm pretty confident in saying that Calzaghe would totally outwork him and win an easy UD. JC fights 3 minutes of every round,Jones doesn't. I'd love to see Jones beat up B Hop but I think Hop is too wiley for Jones at this stage in their careers,he would pick off Jone single shots and would counter Jones. I have zero interest in that fight,it would be a snooze fest imo.

As for Tito,he was game but he was ultimately over matched. Where does he go from here? Who knows. I don't think his power is effective at this weight and I don't think he can hang with the elite 168 pounders nor make 160. I would say retire but I know he won't.

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Bernard would control the pace and would avoid Jones shots,which are fast but 1 shot at a time,easy for a defensive master like B Hop to defend against. I also said I didn't want to see the fight because it would be a snoozefest.Jones looked decent and won a fight he was supposed to win v a smaller guy,doesn't mean he can go and beat a defensive wizard like B Hop,who even though throws very little and is a dirty,dirty fighter,always manages to pull out the W.

Good performance by RJJ, but I mean seriously how much credit can you give him for beating Tito. I mean seriously.

Again as far as his performance and how he looked, yes he looked the part but again look at the opponent he had in fron of him.
Tito was in the fight for 1st few rounds being that he was fresh and all. But riddle me this for the 1st few rounds Tito caught RJJ with good shots both up stairs and to the body. To be honest I was surprised Tito caught RJJ period.

I really think both Joe and Hopkins would beat RJJ.


Gotta give a shit! load of props again to my boy! Alexander 'The Great' loving this kids style punches well, excellent accuracy in his punches.

A HUGE! round of applause :appl: to Golota & Mollo for the brilliant performance they put on that was refreshing to see 2 Heavyweights do it that way.

Boy! oh! Boy! Just when 'Made In Hell' was making his way to a title shot he get derrailed... Shit! happens...

All in all a really good card last night (which I just saw today in it's entirety)

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Up until the 4th round I was like wtf Tito is gonna take this shit. Then that 4th round and roy kind of woke up, it was all Roy from there on IMO. Tito might have won 1 or 2 after the 3rd round. It was still a good fight and I was pleasantly suprised by Tito's performance, he looked like he could still hang in there, just maybe at middleweight if he could make it. Roy looked good, he was in his groove with all his antics in full effect. I just cant wait for the Calzaghe fight, they are both gonna be trying to one up each other with the showmanship.

Well...I'm back up & running at the house again.

I hate the fact that I missed this fight & did'nt get to cover it. From what I read this one was actually a great card all the way around.

Jones was apparently back on point. I was told that Jones was calling out Calzaghe & said that the fight was in jeopardy of not being made now...is that true?

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ROUND 10 =NICE SHOTS FROM JONES TO START OFF THE ROUND FOLKS JONES STILL HAS IT. NICE LEFT HOOK FROM TITO, FOLLOWED BY RIGHT HAND AND A BODY SHOT, JONES WAS SLIGHTLY HURT FROM THAT. BUT JONES COMESBACK WITH TWO STRAIGHT RIGHT HANDS, AMAZING FIGHT FOLKS BLOODY AMAZING, RIGHT HAND LEFT HOOK BY TITO, NICE STRAIGHT RIGHT BY JONES, TITO ATTEMPTS 3 SHOTS BUT MISSES. HE KNOCKS TITO DOWN AGAIN WITH A STRAIGHT RIGHT, WOW WHAT COMBOS FROM JONES AT THE BELL.

96-92 JONES.

ROUND 11 = JONES IS JUST TOYING HIM NOW THIS IS ONE SIDED, JONES IS JUST BATTERING TITO WITH STRAIGHT RIGHTS EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK TITO IS GETTING HIT WITH, GOOD COMBOS FROM JONES. GOOD LEFT HOOKS TO THE BODY FROM TITO. NICE BODY SHOTS FROM jONES,

106-101 JONES


ROUND 12 = JONES STARTS OUT USING LEFT JABS CAUTIOUS ROUND BUT JONES OPENS UP WITH COMBOS GOOD STUFF FROM JONES, DAMN WHAT A BODY SHOT FROM TITO. WOAH LEFT HOOK FROM JONES, LOW BLOW FROM TITO, WOW WHAT A LEFT UPPERCUT FROM JONES FOLLOWED BY 4 HOOKS AMAZING STUFF FROM JONES.3 PUNCH COMBO FROM JONES HELL YES JONES IS BACK HE IS TATOOING TITO WITH EVERYTHING.

116-110 JONES

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:coolclick: Ice.

Thanks for covering while I was down. Cheers.

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ROUND 10 =NICE SHOTS FROM JONES TO START OFF THE ROUND FOLKS JONES STILL HAS IT. NICE LEFT HOOK FROM TITO, FOLLOWED BY RIGHT HAND AND A BODY SHOT, JONES WAS SLIGHTLY HURT FROM THAT. BUT JONES COMESBACK WITH TWO STRAIGHT RIGHT HANDS, AMAZING FIGHT FOLKS BLOODY AMAZING, RIGHT HAND LEFT HOOK BY TITO, NICE STRAIGHT RIGHT BY JONES, TITO ATTEMPTS 3 SHOTS BUT MISSES. HE KNOCKS TITO DOWN AGAIN WITH A STRAIGHT RIGHT, WOW WHAT COMBOS FROM JONES AT THE BELL.

96-92 JONES.

ROUND 11 = JONES IS JUST TOYING HIM NOW THIS IS ONE SIDED, JONES IS JUST BATTERING TITO WITH STRAIGHT RIGHTS EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK TITO IS GETTING HIT WITH, GOOD COMBOS FROM JONES. GOOD LEFT HOOKS TO THE BODY FROM TITO. NICE BODY SHOTS FROM jONES,

106-101 JONES


ROUND 12 = JONES STARTS OUT USING LEFT JABS CAUTIOUS ROUND BUT JONES OPENS UP WITH COMBOS GOOD STUFF FROM JONES, DAMN WHAT A BODY SHOT FROM TITO. WOAH LEFT HOOK FROM JONES, LOW BLOW FROM TITO, WOW WHAT A LEFT UPPERCUT FROM JONES FOLLOWED BY 4 HOOKS AMAZING STUFF FROM JONES.3 PUNCH COMBO FROM JONES HELL YES JONES IS BACK HE IS TATOOING TITO WITH EVERYTHING.

116-110 JONES

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:coolclick: Ice.

Thanks for covering while I was down. Cheers.

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No prob Wacko good to see you back CC, what was your thoughts on the Karmazin upset and Jones vs Tito ??

I just noticed on your other post that you haven't seen the fights yet nvm.

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No prob Wacko good to see you back CC, what was your thoughts on the Karmazin upset and Jones vs Tito ??

I just noticed on your other post that you haven't seen the fights yet nvm.

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I was totally shocked that Karmazin got blown out...& honestly...the fact that Jones dropped Tito twice really got me too.

Time to get us unstuck.

Alright...here's me thoughts...Jones looked good...but not as great as I was expecting from what everyone said.

Granted Jones is still a shadow of himself due to the constant fluctuation in weight (IWO) & also gunshy (most likely) he could have put Tito out of there alot earlier had he pressed the issue. I think it's a poor reflection of both men...especially considering the fact that Trinidad was pretty much an open & closed door on the win.

The main reason that I think that the loss says a lot about Tito is due to the fact that he's far superior than Jones' last two opponents...& they faired a lot better than Tito. Jones went toe to toe with Adjamu & Hanshaw in the aftermath of his 3 consecutive losses & those bouts went the distance, while Trinidad went 12 also...it was by the skin of his teef & the fact that Jones just would'nt press the issue.

I honestly can't believe that people are still supporting Tito when it is VERY clear that he should retire.

I honestly feel that Jones should also...especially considering the list of opponents that he's calling on.

That's a harsh spill right there...but I just feel that both men should live off of their vast riches & learn to let it slide. Jones is going to really end up gettin hurt...especially if either he & Joe face off...or he's silly enough to tangle with Pavlik.

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I feel Tito should retire. He's got nothing left to prove. Besides, his inactivity hasn't done him any good. However, should he want to fight one more fight........

I hope it's Oscar at 160.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I honestly can't believe that people are still supporting Tito when it is VERY clear that he should retire.

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I feel Tito should retire. He's got nothing left to prove. Besides, his inactivity hasn't done him any good. However, should he want to fight one more fight........

I hope it's Oscar at 160.

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RJJ and Oscar back to back....that'll boost his pension fund nicely.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I honestly can't believe that people are still supporting Tito when it is VERY clear that he should retire.

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I feel Tito should retire. He's got nothing left to prove. Besides, his inactivity hasn't done him any good. However, should he want to fight one more fight........

I hope it's Oscar at 160.

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Hello my friend! If Tito decides to continue fighting this is exactly what I would do, fight De La Hoya. He should do a preparatory fight in Puerto Rico, and then look for that shot. I believe that a well prepared Tito still has good boxing to offer, but he returned in a weight too high against an opponent too strong. But, I agree, I prefer that he retire, enjoy his money and family, and wait for HOF.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I honestly can't believe that people are still supporting Tito when it is VERY clear that he should retire.

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I feel Tito should retire. He's got nothing left to prove. Besides, his inactivity hasn't done him any good. However, should he want to fight one more fight........

I hope it's Oscar at 160.

;D

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Hello my friend! If Tito decides to continue fighting this is exactly what I would do, fight De La Hoya. He should do a preparatory fight in Puerto Rico, and then look for that shot. I believe that a well prepared Tito still has good boxing to offer, but he returned in a weight too high against an opponent too strong. But, I agree, I prefer that he retire, enjoy his money and family, and wait for HOF.

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You got that right, PRP. He doesn't need to continue fighting. But if he wants that one more fight (and it's got to be soon), Tito-Oscar at 160 would do it for me.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I honestly feel that Jones should also...especially considering the list of opponents that he's calling on.

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I wholeheartedly disagree... Jones showed he has plenty left and all the physical tools to compete at a high level, he is still a fast, sharp accurate puncher with class leading handspeed and has recently flashed a more practical defense that is predicated on technical fundamentals and minimal reflexes that he relied on all those years. Jones confidence has been steadily on the rise and you can see him evolving an adapting as a fighter and filling in the gaps where his athletisism has digressed, which illustrates he was never shot physically but had to recover mentally. He would give either Calzaghe or Hopkins there toughest fights in a while, with more than a chance to prevail.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Jones is going to really end up gettin hurt...especially if either he & Joe face off...

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With all due respect when has Calzaghe or Hopkins ever been known to be murderous punchers able to dispatch an opponent with a single punch and seriously hurt an opponent? Calzaghe is like 37 and Hopkins is 43. Jones has a great shot against Hopkins who has an eneamic workrate with about 5 punches per round and 20 iniated clinches ::** If you aint seeing Jones evolve then you are choosing not to look, he is far better to root for than that garbage fighter Hopkins who snores and cheated his way the last 2 fights.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I honestly feel that Jones should also...especially considering the list of opponents that he's calling on.

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I wholeheartedly disagree... Jones showed he has plenty left and all the physical tools to compete at a high level, he is still a fast, sharp accurate puncher with class leading handspeed and has recently flashed a more practical defense that is predicated on technical fundamentals and minimal reflexes that he relied on all those years. Jones confidence has been steadily on the rise and you can see him evolving an adapting as a fighter and filling in the gaps where his athletisism has digressed, which illustrates he was never shot physically but had to recover mentally. He would give either Calzaghe or Hopkins there toughest fights in a while, with more than a chance to prevail.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Jones is going to really end up gettin hurt...especially if either he & Joe face off...

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With all due respect when has Calzaghe or Hopkins ever been known to be murderous punchers able to dispatch an opponent with a single punch and seriously hurt an opponent? Calzaghe is like 37 and Hopkins is 43. Jones has a great shot against Hopkins who has an eneamic workrate with about 5 punches per round and 20 iniated clinches ::** If you aint seeing Jones evolve then you are choosing not to look, he is far better to root for than that garbage fighter Hopkins who snores and cheated his way the last 2 fights.

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CC for you man. I swear you were reading my mind with this post.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I honestly feel that Jones should also...especially considering the list of opponents that he's calling on.

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I wholeheartedly disagree... Jones showed he has plenty left and all the physical tools to compete at a high level, he is still a fast, sharp accurate puncher with class leading handspeed and has recently flashed a more practical defense that is predicated on technical fundamentals and minimal reflexes that he relied on all those years. Jones confidence has been steadily on the rise and you can see him evolving an adapting as a fighter and filling in the gaps where his athletisism has digressed, which illustrates he was never shot physically but had to recover mentally. He would give either Calzaghe or Hopkins there toughest fights in a while, with more than a chance to prevail.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Jones is going to really end up gettin hurt...especially if either he & Joe face off...

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With all due respect when has Calzaghe or Hopkins ever been known to be murderous punchers able to dispatch an opponent with a single punch and seriously hurt an opponent? Calzaghe is like 37 and Hopkins is 43. Jones has a great shot against Hopkins who has an eneamic workrate with about 5 punches per round and 20 iniated clinches ::** If you aint seeing Jones evolve then you are choosing not to look, he is far better to root for than that garbage fighter Hopkins who snores and cheated his way the last 2 fights.

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Hopkins in his younger days could spark out opponents with 1 punch, he has one of the quickest KO's in Middleweight history. Hopkins was like the Mike Tyson of the Middleweights at one point in his career, as for Calzaghe he used to be puncher as well when he fought Eubank he almost had 100 percent KO record, now Calzaghe can't crack an egg and as for Hopkins he can still hurt an opponent if he hit them flush but he is nowhere near what he used to be. I agree with you though JT, Jones Jr can still compete with Calzaghe and it wouldn't surprise me if he beat Calzaghe, Calzaghe has struggled with right hands throughout his career its one of his biggest weakness like against Reid he got hit so many times with the right hand flush, and its the best punch to use against southpaw. Jones has an excellent straight right hand which could cause Calzaghe a lot of problems, plus Calzaghe has never met anyone who is even close to Jones in speed department. It would be an interesting match up and nowhere near as one sided as people think.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I honestly feel that Jones should also...especially considering the list of opponents that he's calling on.

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I wholeheartedly disagree... Jones showed he has plenty left and all the physical tools to compete at a high level, he is still a fast, sharp accurate puncher with class leading handspeed and has recently flashed a more practical defense that is predicated on technical fundamentals and minimal reflexes that he relied on all those years. Jones confidence has been steadily on the rise and you can see him evolving an adapting as a fighter and filling in the gaps where his athletisism has digressed, which illustrates he was never shot physically but had to recover mentally. He would give either Calzaghe or Hopkins there toughest fights in a while, with more than a chance to prevail.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Jones is going to really end up gettin hurt...especially if either he & Joe face off...

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With all due respect when has Calzaghe or Hopkins ever been known to be murderous punchers able to dispatch an opponent with a single punch and seriously hurt an opponent? Calzaghe is like 37 and Hopkins is 43. Jones has a great shot against Hopkins who has an eneamic workrate with about 5 punches per round and 20 iniated clinches ::** If you aint seeing Jones evolve then you are choosing not to look, he is far better to root for than that garbage fighter Hopkins who snores and cheated his way the last 2 fights.

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You're totally missing the point. Tito was,whichever way you want to look at it,a small guy,fighting at a weight class he has never fought at and coming from a 2 year retirement. Regardless of how good Jones looked against him,fighting JC is a WHOLE different proposition. I don't see anything which would indicate that he would do well against JC based on that performance.

Joe may not be a murderous puncher but I think his record shows he doesn't need to be. RJJ in his fights with Badmu,Henshaw and Tito,was fighting guys who let him dictate the pace,fight 1 minute of every round and rest when he wanted. If you think he can do that v Joe,you're crazy. My point is,stop using this fight as some kind of sign that RJJ is now going to challenge all the other top guys. That's like saying Mayorga beat Vargas so now he can come back and beat everyone else at 147/54.

It has no basis. At the very least, Jones should fight a top top contender at 168-175 and if he looks good,then we can talk about it. Let him get hit flush by 168-175 natural power and see his reactions,then we''ll be able to gauge if he is ready.

And I agree that Jones is much more worthy of being cheered than B Hop,I despise Bernards' style but it doesn't mean I automatically think Jones can beat him,just because B Hop is boring. Just my opinion bro,although I do admire your noble defence of 1 of your faves. Heck,everyone loves RJ. :)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

It has no basis. At the very least, Jones should fight a top top contender at 168-175 and if he looks good,then we can talk about it. Let him get hit flush by 168-175 natural power and see his reactions,then we''ll be able to gauge if he is ready.

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So what you are saying is that you havent seen Jones evolve as a fighter? Who between 168-175 would you fancy to beat Jones besides Calzaghe and Hopkins

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

And I agree that Jones is much more worthy of being cheered than B Hop,I despise Bernards' style but it doesn't mean I automatically think Jones can beat him,just because B Hop is boring. Just my opinion bro,although I do admire your noble defence of 1 of your faves. Heck,everyone loves RJ. :)

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Hopkins will be exposed soon enough, beating a flash in the pan weight drained Tarver and a Bloated Winky Wright dosent get it done against World class opposition at 168-175. I defend RJJ cause there is something to laud in his comeback, he has progressed and has shown an ability to adapt... Hell he was Jabbing Trinidad in that fight more than he has in past 8 fights(Mild Exaggeration ;D) So he realizes he isint superman anymore so he adjusted.

People make the mistake of comparing Jones of the 90's and early 2000's to the one now. Remember when Jones was in his hayday there was Roy Jones jr...

And then everyone else including the Toneys and Hopkins of the world so IMO Roy losing a few steps really evens out the field of all the other stars. Thats not bad at all I would Favor Jones over most all 168-175 and a push to beat Kessler, Calzaghe I think Jones punks out Johnson and Tarver at this juncture and no doubt in my mind that he beats Hopkins

168-175:the 2 guys you mentioned, BCD would give him a tough fight, Tarver and Johnson already beat him and hold HUUUUUUUUUUGE mental advantages over him,if it's at a catch weight,I think Pavlik would KTFO Roy out etc. Don't get me wrong,RJJ,at 1 point, WAS Superman. Now...I don't think so. I'd love nothing,nothing more than to see him come back and KTFO Johnson and Tarver but I know it won't happen and I know he won't learn until he gets KTFO again.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

168-175:the 2 guys you mentioned, BCD would give him a tough fight, Tarver and Johnson already beat him and hold HUUUUUUUUUUGE mental advantages over him,if it's at a catch weight,I think Pavlik would KTFO Roy out etc. Don't get me wrong,RJJ,at 1 point, WAS Superman. Now...I don't think so. I'd love nothing,nothing more than to see him come back and KTFO Johnson and Tarver but I know it won't happen and I know he won't learn until he gets KTFO again.

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He won't learn what Gamo?